The Just Thought I'd Share Thread

[Sleepless-Child]

I can't remember the order so I'll just write what they played :lol:

From the new album:
What I Heard
Mothers in the Night
The End, The End
D-Day
Love Doesn't Frighten Me At All

Hits and songs from pre-1983:
Orchid Club
The Hardest Part
Hanging on the Telephone
Call Me
Heart of Glass
Atomic
One Way or Another
The Tide is High
Rapture

From Debbie's solo album Necessary Evil:
Two Times Blue
Whiteout
You're Too Hot

Taio Cruz cover - Break Your Heart


Interesting setlist ! Though i'd love to hear them doing some earlier songs, from Blondie and Plastic Letters. How sounds the new album ?

[MissLadyLoki]

Today, I had an interview at Northwestern Mutual for an internship, but I didn't know it was to be an insurance salesperson. Oh well, there's always the fall.

[jaycee]

Blondie were f*ing amazing last night. Best night of my life, seriously. JTIS

That's excellent! :D I assume you'll make your way over to Australia then in December? :nod:

[jaycee]

-i met bill nye the science guy today
-that's all.

That's the first time I've heard of him, unfortunately. Going by the ever trustworthy Wikipedia, he seems a pretty insightful chap. What did he have to say?

[ButterCookie]

WUT.

I pray this is on youtube.

It. Is. Epic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia1Ta9eqKWo

[Zombie]

-i met bill nye the science guy today
-that's all.

OMG. I am so jealous. How did you get to meet him?

[carrie721]

That's the first time I've heard of him, unfortunately. Going by the ever trustworthy Wikipedia, he seems a pretty insightful chap. What did he have to say?

OMG. I am so jealous. How did you get to meet him?

he was at my work yesterday. i didn't really get to chat with him, there wasn't even enough time for me to say YOU'RE SO MUCH BETTER THAN BEAKMAN'S WORLD, but i got to gaze into his science-y face and then watch him drive off in his prius. le sigh!

[goldustsongbird]

^ Jealin' right now.

[Zombie]

he was at my work yesterday. i didn't really get to chat with him, there wasn't even enough time for me to say YOU'RE SO MUCH BETTER THAN BEAKMAN'S WORLD, but i got to gaze into his science-y face and then watch him drive off in his prius. le sigh!

I love Bill Nye the Science Guy, so that is awesome, even if you didn't get to talk to him. I love him almost as much as I loved Mr. Wizard when I was but a wee Zombie.

*****

In other news, I have to go to a wedding tomorrow. The ceremony is at 1, and then the reception isn't til 6. I could poke someone in the eye for this bit of poor planning, but whatever. Boy What Carries Things is best man, so I will get to make fun of him for having to wear a tux in an outdoor wedding in the middle of June in freakin' St. Louis.

If I end up tossed in the pond at the park where the wedding is, then you know why.

[carrie721]

^ Jealin' right now.

like a felon? :cool:

I love Bill Nye the Science Guy, so that is awesome, even if you didn't get to talk to him. I love him almost as much as I loved Mr. Wizard when I was but a wee Zombie.

*****

omg, mr. wizard. i watched that every day, and the elephant show, and nick news for kids.

In other news, I have to go to a wedding tomorrow. The ceremony is at 1, and then the reception isn't til 6. I could poke someone in the eye for this bit of poor planning, but whatever. Boy What Carries Things is best man, so I will get to make fun of him for having to wear a tux in an outdoor wedding in the middle of June in freakin' St. Louis.

If I end up tossed in the pond at the park where the wedding is, then you know why.

that's not just poor planning, that's rudity. not everybody wants to give up literally an entire day for your dumb wedding.

[Zombie]

omg, mr. wizard. i watched that every day, and the elephant show, and nick news for kids.

that's not just poor planning, that's rudity. not everybody wants to give up literally an entire day for your dumb wedding.

Sharon, Lois and Bram! And Linda Ellerbee! I watched those, too. And David the Gnome.

But yeah, not looking forward to the wedding thing being such an all-day event. Because...ugh. So much socializing that I don't want to do.

[carrie721]

Sharon, Lois and Bram! And Linda Ellerbee! I watched those, too. And David the Gnome.

i loved/hated david the gnome almost as much as i loved/hated maya the bee.

But yeah, not looking forward to the wedding thing being such an all-day event. Because...ugh. So much socializing that I don't want to do.

word on that bird.

btw, i feel as though i should attribute the word "rudity" to lisa, because it's funny and i didn't make it up.

[BTFLCHLD]

I'm sitting here watching my puppy play. She does this thing where she goes into the kitchen and then runs as fast as she can into the living room, where she literally throws herself on the hard wood floor, rolls over a couple of times, then gets up & runs back into the kitchen to do it all over again...really, what is that about? :laugh:

JTIS :)oh that sounds cute; do you have a pic of the puppy?

JTIS...can't sleep.

[MissLadyLoki]

Sharon, Lois and Bram! And Linda Ellerbee! I watched those, too. And David the Gnome.

But yeah, not looking forward to the wedding thing being such an all-day event. Because...ugh. So much socializing that I don't want to do.

Just be thankful your wedding isn't up in the middle up nowhere. Back when I was a few months short of 13, I had to go up to, of all places, western New York to go to my cousin's wedding. Since it was a 6-hour drive to there, I had to stay overnight and me and my family managed to escape-- I mean, leave before my aunt decided to hold a brunch the next day.

[Erin]

I saw Patty Griffin and Buddy Miller at the House of Blues last night. This is the first time I'd gotten around to seeing her, and both she and Buddy were fantastic. Her new album is gospel, and although I hadn't warmed to it, it was incredible live. Buddy also performed his own set, and made a funny speech about how True Blood used Gasoline and Matches in the show, but he didn't understand the vampire thing. Anyway I know a few people here like Patty, so here's my video of Mary from last night:

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[goldustsongbird]

like a felon? :cool:


Slap on the cuffs, I'm guilty.

Sharon, Lois and Bram! And Linda Ellerbee! I watched those, too. And David the Gnome.

But yeah, not looking forward to the wedding thing being such an all-day event. Because...ugh. So much socializing that I don't want to do.

SHARON.

LOIS.

AND BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!

The voice-over kids always seemed so mystified by Bram.

[chelluversu]

I saw Patty Griffin and Buddy Miller at the House of Blues last night. This is the first time I'd gotten around to seeing her, and both she and Buddy were fantastic. Her new album is gospel, and although I hadn't warmed to it, it was incredible live. Buddy also performed his own set, and made a funny speech about how True Blood used Gasoline and Matches in the show, but he didn't understand the vampire thing. Anyway I know a few people here like Patty, so here's my video of Mary from last night:

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Waiting On My Child is absolutely my favorite. I agree about it hard to warm up to at first... I Smell A Rat is growing on me =]

[LikeAWillow]

A homeless woman broke my heart last night. I was walking back from my friend's 21st birthday party in the Mission district of San Francisco. If anyone is even remotely familiar with the bay area, you know the reputation the mission has, so, as a woman walking alone at night, I was trying to walk quickly and without making eye contact with anyone along the way. When I felt someone watching me, I assumed it was a man, and when I heard them clear their throat, I braced myself for the cat call coming (again, woman alone in the mission). The voice that came out was so high and weak and sincere, "I really like your sandals." Nothing else. I wanted so badly to be able to go back and give them to her.

[Amlyn]

I'm three days into my first visit to Europe. West coast of Ireland to be exact. I know that this area of the world gets more sun this time of year, but I'm still amazed that at almost 11pm, the sky looks like this:

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[ButterCookie]

I love it when my YouTube trolls are successful.

[MissLadyLoki]

I'm three days into my first visit to Europe. West coast of Ireland to be exact. I know that this area of the world gets more sun this time of year, but I'm still amazed that at almost 11pm, the sky looks like this:

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That's seriously cool. I didn't Ireland got like Alaska with sun.

[jaycee]

A homeless woman broke my heart last night. I was walking back from my friend's 21st birthday party in the Mission district of San Francisco. If anyone is even remotely familiar with the bay area, you know the reputation the mission has, so, as a woman walking alone at night, I was trying to walk quickly and without making eye contact with anyone along the way. When I felt someone watching me, I assumed it was a man, and when I heard them clear their throat, I braced myself for the cat call coming (again, woman alone in the mission). The voice that came out was so high and weak and sincere, "I really like your sandals." Nothing else. I wanted so badly to be able to go back and give them to her.

I remember being in San Francisco... it was the first place I went to in the USA with my mum and stepdad... I was rather saddened and scared by it, because I'm simply not used to seeing so many groups of homeless people around a city. :(
Anyway, you've reminded me of a time when a homeless man started playing a harmonica (I think) for my mum and David as we walked past him, but David walked on, saying he only had his visa credit card. The man, being good humoured, held his hand to his chin and looking at mum, saying "what did I do wrong?" in a humorous manner. Mum apologised, explaining that we didn't have any cash on us, but thanked him and wished him well. It turned out that, while mum and I didn't have anything, David did have money on him. :( Honestly, it takes so little from everyone to make so much for one person... I don't understand how people walk past such nice people in need so thoughtlessly.

[nailatixela]

I don't understand how people walk past such nice people in need so thoughtlessly.

Fear that they'll spend it to get high?

[carrie721]

Fear that they'll spend it to get high?

not to mention that when you live in an urban area, you're accosted dozens of times a day by people who are "in need" but are scary/drunk/high/violent.

[hayley]

I hate that formspring.me exists. If it didn't exist, I wouldn't be tempted to post questions to people who are spamming my Facebook with their Formspring addresses. Here are some of the questions / responses I have typed and deleted today before posting to various people -

Why do you tell everyone you got laid off from your last job when you really got fired for stealing?

Why have you never gone to a psychiatrist? Self-diagnosed Asperger's usually just means "I'm a jerk nobody wants to be around, but I don't think I should have to change."

Why did you refuse to allow your fiance to have a bachelor party at a strip club because it made you insecure, and then you slept with a male stripper at yours?


Whew. JTIS is awesome. This way I can share with you and not them. :angel:

[Amlyn]

That's seriously cool. I didn't Ireland got like Alaska with sun.

Yep, it's 1005 pm as i write this and the sun is just starting to go down. Granted this is the longest day of the year.

But there is some night here. About 6-7 hours from what I can tell. But for me the sucky part is that i want to see some stars out here. I mean really see stars, not like what I se back home. Have a feeling I need to wait till about 1am for a dark sky! NOw that im adjusting to the time, that might be a reasonable task.

I can't imagine what daylight 24 hrs a day is like. Or nightime 24 hours a day either.

[BTFLCHLD]

JTIS...lost a bid on ebay
http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv265/mercyjohnsoon/crying.gif

[SapphireSister]

I hate being at other peoples' mercy! Especially when I know I don't have to be but am not strong enough to fight it. :mad: I mean, call me! JTIS.

[GODDESS6]

just found out my sweet younger brother is going to be a first time daddy~ we are all so happy:blob1:~

[LikeAWillow]

Why have you never gone to a psychiatrist? Self-diagnosed Asperger's usually just means "I'm a jerk nobody wants to be around, but I don't think I should have to change."


Oh my god. That is incredible.

just found out my sweet younger brother is going to be a first time daddy~ we are all so happy~

Congratulations!

[LorraineRN]

just found out my sweet younger brother is going to be a first time daddy~ we are all so happy:blob1:~

Same here! We just found out my younger brother is going to be a first time daddy! We are so excited over here too! He e-mailed me an ultrasound pic already, lol. They are due Jan 12. :thumbsup:

[LikeAWillow]

What's with all the guests viewing the Anne Sellors thread? Just Thought I'd Ask.

[BTFLCHLD]

What's with all the guests viewing the Anne Sellors thread? Just Thought I'd Ask. urine fetish?

diggy with your posts today...JTIS.

[LikeAWillow]

urine fetish?

diggy with your posts today...JTIS.

Ha. Well played. :thumbsup:

[gypsy4life]

I just want to share...I effing love Stevie's song Trouble In Shangri La...with fervent, fervent passion!!! That's all...

[holidayroad]

I remember being in San Francisco... it was the first place I went to in the USA with my mum and stepdad... I was rather saddened and scared by it, because I'm simply not used to seeing so many groups of homeless people around a city. :(
Anyway, you've reminded me of a time when a homeless man started playing a harmonica (I think) for my mum and David as we walked past him, but David walked on, saying he only had his visa credit card. The man, being good humoured, held his hand to his chin and looking at mum, saying "what did I do wrong?" in a humorous manner. Mum apologised, explaining that we didn't have any cash on us, but thanked him and wished him well. It turned out that, while mum and I didn't have anything, David did have money on him. :( Honestly, it takes so little from everyone to make so much for one person... I don't understand how people walk past such nice people in need so thoughtlessly.

It's probably a good thing that I don't live somewhere with a big homeless population, because I would soon be broke! I've spent a great deal of my life not having much and now I'm at least 'comfortable'. I am not worrying that the utilities will be turned off this month and if I want to go by a CD, I can afford it.
I am sensible. I mean, I know I can't give the grocery and bill money away, but I hate seeing people doing without. Sure, some of these people may be just trying to 'con' people, but others really need help. There have been times for me where I have been a paycheck away from losing a place to live.

[Amlyn]

I just want to share...I effing love Stevie's song Trouble In Shangri La...with fervent, fervent passion!!! That's all...

Me too!! Im on vacation in a house that is just steps away from the sea and all that separates me is some grass and stones and everytime i walk outside i hear that song in my head...

[MissLadyLoki]

Anyone got anything fun for someone that's bired home alone?

[iamnotafraid]

i'm an iamnotafraid fanatic!

Doesn't it feel good to admit that.
If only others were so brave!

[Sleepless-Child]

There's nothing in the world that i hate more than maths, AND the feeling you get when you just failed an exam. :( Stevie Nicks cure.

[hippilil86]

I was just prescribed Clonazepam (KLONOPIN!) for anxiety.
Holy Stevie Nicks!

[MissLadyLoki]

Lovely news: Connecticut (which is about 20 miles away from me) has a tornado warning, and things don't look too good down here. Just hope and pray I do get to experience a reenactment of Twister, minus the cow.

[hayley]

Lovely news: Connecticut (which is about 20 miles away from me) has a tornado warning, and things don't look too good down here. Just hope and pray I do get to experience a reenactment of Twister, minus the cow.

We had one in Chicago last night - I'm a horrible person for being disappointed that one didn't touch down. I'm from Kansas, we live for that ****! We did get the awesome yellow tornado sky, though.

[MissLadyLoki]

We had one in Chicago last night - I'm a horrible person for being disappointed that one didn't touch down. I'm from Kansas, we live for that ****! We did get the awesome yellow tornado sky, though.

The sky turns yellow when a tornado hits? Well, it's kinda dark here, but not yellow.

[Erin]

We had one in Chicago last night - I'm a horrible person for being disappointed that one didn't touch down. I'm from Kansas, we live for that ****! We did get the awesome yellow tornado sky, though.

And the rainbow over Lake Michigan. I've lived in Chicago for 10 years and have never seen one in the city.

[GODDESS6]

Lovely news: Connecticut (which is about 20 miles away from me) has a tornado warning, and things don't look too good down here. Just hope and pray I do get to experience a reenactment of Twister, minus the cow.

we have storms & tornado warnings all spring & summer long~ the sirens are right across the street from me, talk about deafening~ after it all blows over & we're all safe, we always put 'twister' in the blu ray player & watch:lol:~

[iamnotafraid]

My guitar, Eddie Vedder's Into The Wild Soundtrack and time.
Cool beans.

[Amlyn]

Watching the sunset over the Alantic from a 2nd floor picture windown on a plushy daybed listening to Sara.

Doesn't get better than this.

:)

[GODDESS6]

Watching the sunset over the Alantic from a 2nd floor picture windown on a plushy daybed listening to Sara.

Doesn't get better than this.

:)

well i'm jealous~

do you belong to findadeath message board too?~

[Amlyn]

do you belong to findadeath message board too?~

Nope. Not sure what that even is.

[GODDESS6]

Nope. Not sure what that even is.

it's a dead, famous or infamous celeb board~ but there's a real nice chick on there who loves stevie & has your same name, just wondering if you were her:o:D~

[carrie721]

The sky turns yellow when a tornado hits? Well, it's kinda dark here, but not yellow.

in ohio, it turns green. super creepy.

[vivfox]

I'm going to the beach for the weekend and just burned a CD for the trip.These are the tracks: Blue Water, Planets of the Univ., Garbo, Blue Lamp, The Nightmare, Some Become Strangers, All the Beautiful Worlds, Mistaken Love, Smile at You, Lay Down Your Arms, Red River Valley, Real Tears, RAL,The Apt. Song,Baby Doll & Say You Love Me

[Zombie]

in ohio, it turns green. super creepy.

Turns green in Michigan, Illinois & Missouri, too. Gross.

******

JTIS we're spending our first night in the new place even as I type.

Pop Quiz time! Is our first order of business:

a.) Unpacking important things like dishes & paper towels?
b.) Vacuuming up paint chips under the windows from where I pried said windows open?
c.) Figuring out which boxes the towels are in for showers in the morning?
or
d.) Setting up the TV/360/PS3/surround sound so we can watch Labyrinth and chilly down with the Fire Gang?

If you guessed D, then you're absolutely right!

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Yeah, I got my priorities in order. :nod: Bad hep with the Fire Gang!

[vivfox]

I guessed D Annie! I win!!!!:wavey:

[vivfox]

Now I'm burning my Oldies Cd: Midnight at the Oasis, Arizona, Galveston, Abeline, Way Over Yonder in the Minor Key, Love is Blue, Albatross, A Taste of Honey, Exodus, A Little Less Conversation, Brandy, Celebrate, Eli's Coming, Shambala, Summertime & Green Manalishi

[MissLadyLoki]

I'm burning no CDs, but burning CDs for a trip reminds of how, when I was 9 years old, my dad had made me a mix tape in order to bribe me into driving down to Florida (I hated that drive, I still do now, and thankful I haven't done it since 06).

[ButterCookie]

Turns green in Michigan, Illinois & Missouri, too. Gross.

******

JTIS we're spending our first night in the new place even as I type.

Pop Quiz time! Is our first order of business:

a.) Unpacking important things like dishes & paper towels?
b.) Vacuuming up paint chips under the windows from where I pried said windows open?
c.) Figuring out which boxes the towels are in for showers in the morning?
or
d.) Setting up the TV/360/PS3/surround sound so we can watch Labyrinth and chilly down with the Fire Gang?

If you guessed D, then you're absolutely right!

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Yeah, I got my priorities in order. :nod: Bad hep with the Fire Gang!

I guessed D! Because it's what I do SO damn often :D

Homework? Labyrinth.
Coursework? Labyrinth.
Clean out the pets? Labyrinth.

[ButterCookie]

And now I'm watching Labyrinth! Should be doing a maths assignment, thanks Annie ;)

[LikeAWillow]

Turns green in Michigan, Illinois & Missouri, too. Gross.

******

JTIS we're spending our first night in the new place even as I type.



:D

I'm a little concerned about the fact that you did not baptise your home with Nick Cave, however.

[LikeAWillow]

One more-

I'm supposed to have plans tonight. Plans that should matter for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the chance to one up a complete jerk. But... I really feel like skipping, putting on the dance, and shipping the Friday night away. Can't decide.

Edit:

Unknown number just texted me and asked me to meet them for drinks at a bar by my house after work. I have guesses about who it is, but it's so much more fun not knowing, so I'm not asking. This plan is getting combined with the shipping and I'm having myself a good night.

[Ghost_Tracker]

All I wanna say
is that they f*cking murdered him.
There was means, motive and opportunity;
that's legally enough to open a thorough
investigation.
He was worth more alive than dead.
R.I.P.

Not to be too paranoid; I'm "just sayin."

JTIS


http://gonzo22.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/michael-jackson.jpg

[GODDESS6]

All I wanna say
is that they f*cking murdered him.
There was means, motive and opportunity;
that's legally enough to open a thorough
investigation.
He was worth more alive than dead.
R.I.P.

Not to be too paranoid; I'm "just sayin."

JTIS


http://gonzo22.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/michael-jackson.jpg

i agree

RIP
MICHAEL JACKSON best moonwalk and robot dance ever! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T1pxyc4wXI&feature=related#normal)

[fleetwoodtrick]

I have SO much Stevie/Mac catching up to do. I haven't been on the Ledge in what feels like forever, and so many things have happened to me, both good and bad.

But to start off... my boyfriend and I went to go see Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers last night, and ZZ Top opened for them which is pretty sweet. We were in the first 10 rows, and from "You Don't Know How it Feels" the smell of pot was EVERYWHERE and I felt like crap by the end of the concert, but it was an AMAZING one! I totally rocked out the whole time :D

[MissLadyLoki]

I have SO much Stevie/Mac catching up to do. I haven't been on the Ledge in what feels like forever, and so many things have happened to me, both good and bad.

But to start off... my boyfriend and I went to go see Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers last night, and ZZ Top opened for them which is pretty sweet. We were in the first 10 rows, and from "You Don't Know How it Feels" the smell of pot was EVERYWHERE and I felt like crap by the end of the concert, but it was an AMAZING one! I totally rocked out the whole time :D

Was it at an outdoor venue?

[fleetwoodtrick]

Was it at an outdoor venue?

Yes, but the part that I was in was covered.

OMGWTF, I forgot to say that TPaTHB covered Oh Well! And I had a spazz attack.

[LikeAWillow]

Yes, but the part that I was in was covered.

OMGWTF, I forgot to say that TPaTHB covered Oh Well! And I had a spazz attack.

Did they? That's awesome. Must youtube.

Glad you're back! :thumbsup:

[MissLadyLoki]

Tom Petty must've been fun. I heard he's comig to my area in July, but sadly, I don't have tickets :(

[chelluversu]

I've been incredibly busy this whole week. My cousin came on Wednesday night to stay with me for the summer. I've taken her out everyday since with my friends and today we took the metro from springfield to dc, walked around dc for about a year in a half, saw a sniper on top of the whitehouse, and told my cousin if she tried to hop the fence the sniper would snipe her lol (i got pictures too).

P.S.
I no longer have to be a homewrecker because the guy that I like broke up with his gf and...yeah. I'm not dating him yet but he made it clear that he likes me :D
We were at the mall on Wednesday (before la prima came) and I kicked his ass at airhockey so we made a bet: If he loses he has to buy me food, if he wins I have to kiss him (la prima messed this up lol)...I reversed the bet yesterday =]

end of diary :lol:

[SapphireSister]

I have SO much Stevie/Mac catching up to do. I haven't been on the Ledge in what feels like forever, and so many things have happened to me, both good and bad.

But to start off... my boyfriend and I went to go see Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers last night, and ZZ Top opened for them which is pretty sweet. We were in the first 10 rows, and from "You Don't Know How it Feels" the smell of pot was EVERYWHERE and I felt like crap by the end of the concert, but it was an AMAZING one! I totally rocked out the whole time :D
ZZ Top, what a flashback! I love that that those guys are still rockin'. I bought their greatest hits CD recently and some of my favs are Sleeping Back, Rough Boy, and Velcro Fly. Damn how I love those songs!

[ButterCookie]

I love watching the smoke off incense sticks curling in the air. JTIS.

[vivfox]

I love watching the smoke off incense sticks curling in the air. JTIS.


Are you smoking a joint?:lol:

[ButterCookie]

Are you smoking a joint?:lol:

:eek: on a school night?! Nah, I'm burning my mums Nag Champa ;)

[Zombie]

JTIS that TV is dumb.

The kids just discovered my ex's sci fi show is available OnDemand, which I had been trying to avoid having happen - they still miss him really bad, and I knew if they realized they could see him on the TV, it would make for sad pandas and crying.

I was right.

Tonight will be a fun night. And by "fun," I mean emotionally draining and not fun at all. Sigh.

[iamnotafraid]

Watched Heart's Behind The Music (Remastered) tonight. Pretty cool, but I guess
they couldn't make the show if musicians didn't complain. And I'm not going to
say something rude about someone's weight, but she needs help with
wardrobe. Those black tent shirts aren't helping.

[ButterCookie]

Watched Heart's Behind The Music (Remastered) tonight. Pretty cool, but I guess
they couldn't make the show if musicians didn't complain. And I'm not going to
say something rude about someone's weight, but she needs help with
wardrobe. Those black tent shirts aren't helping.

I used to like you... :distress:

[iamnotafraid]

I used to like you... :distress:

What??? I was nice.
I love her voice.

[ButterCookie]

What??? I was nice.
I love her voice.

The point was still there that could have been totally left out :(

[iamnotafraid]

It just makes me sad for her. Though I doubt she'd care what I thought.

[ButterCookie]

I think she would care and that's what upsets me. I don't dislike you, I was just upset to read that, you are actually one of my favourite people on here but I can't take blows to her like that well.

[iamnotafraid]

I think she would care and that's what upsets me. I don't dislike you, I was just upset to read that, you are actually one of my favourite people on here but I can't take blows to her like that well.

I feel the same towards you. And I'll offer an apology for what I said.

[ButterCookie]

Apology accepted :)

I've not seen Heart's behind the music because Vh1 over here sucks. I saw their Private Sessions a while back (which I recorded) and thought the performance of White Lightning and Wine was superb. Do artists perform on Behind the Music or are they just documentaries?

[iamnotafraid]

I'll try a short explaination about the wardrobe (weight) comment.
My favorite singer Elvis let his life get out of control. And the last
two years of his life were hell. His weight was very heavy at the end.

Stevie Nicks, almost the same situation, drugs and severe weight gain.
I remember thinking she was going to die in the early 90's.

So the comment about weight in Ms. Wilson's case can be taken in context.
Although her wardrobe could be better without regard to weight.

[Zombie]

I remember watching a special on Heart where Ann spoke very candidly about her struggles with her weight, and it brought tears to my eyes. Even in the 70s, when she was thin, she had to really work at it - her body naturally wanted to be heavier, so she basically had to starve herself to stay that small, and she wasn't happy.

When she put on weight, the record execs were awful to her - take a look at the video for "Alone" - they purposely filmed it so that we only see very close-up shots of Ann's face and very long range shots where it's hard to see her at all. She spoke about how they did that on purpose, because they said no one would want to look at her due to her weight, and therefore Nancy should get most of the camera time.

It's a damn shame when someone with a voice as phenomenal as Ann Wilson's has to be "hidden" because other people may not "approve" of her looks. It's nobody's business but her own. She's a class act and she can SING. My gawd, can she SING. I mean - LOOK:

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I love Ann Wilson. She's an amazing gift, and she can wear a shower curtain for all I care.

[iamnotafraid]

When she put on weight, the record execs were awful to her......

It's a damn shame when someone with a voice as phenomenal as Ann Wilson's has to be "hidden" because other people may not "approve" of her looks. It's nobody's business but her own. She's a class act and she can SING. My gawd, can she SING.
I love Ann Wilson. She's an amazing gift, and she can wear a shower curtain for all I care.

I agree many were awful to her. And I also agree that woman can sing.
But I'm not sure about it being anyone's business but her own. I know
it's totally unfair, and I believe most women are given a much harder
time about gaining weight. But don't you think with the money she and
other stars with the same fame have - couldn't they at least have a dietician
or someone make sure they have the right food to eat.

I don't know if drugs had anything to do with Ann's weight gain. But it sure did
with Elvis' and Stevie Nicks. Too many "yes" people around. No one to tell them
the truth. All the way down to the fans. And by fans, I mean the ones that will
accept anything the artist does, even if it's unhealthy to the very artist they care
about.

Buttercookie was right that I shouldn't have mentioned her weight, even though
I did so as carefully as I could without coming right out and saying she's ____.
As I don't know enough details about her personal struggle with weight. But for
her health's sake I wish she could lose some weight.

And I agree Zombie, Ann's voice is great.

[SapphireSister]

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Can I just say I love the fact that Nancy is doing jumping jacks while playing guitar. That can't be easy lol.

[ButterCookie]

As far as I know Ann and Nancy are and have always been completely clean but I may be wrong there so don't quote me on that.

[holidayroad]

I remember watching a special on Heart where Ann spoke very candidly about her struggles with her weight, and it brought tears to my eyes. Even in the 70s, when she was thin, she had to really work at it - her body naturally wanted to be heavier, so she basically had to starve herself to stay that small, and she wasn't happy.

When she put on weight, the record execs were awful to her - take a look at the video for "Alone" - they purposely filmed it so that we only see very close-up shots of Ann's face and very long range shots where it's hard to see her at all. She spoke about how they did that on purpose, because they said no one would want to look at her due to her weight, and therefore Nancy should get most of the camera time.

It's a damn shame when someone with a voice as phenomenal as Ann Wilson's has to be "hidden" because other people may not "approve" of her looks. It's nobody's business but her own. She's a class act and she can SING. My gawd, can she SING. I mean - LOOK:

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I love Ann Wilson. She's an amazing gift, and she can wear a shower curtain for all I care.

I feel like they did Ann Wilson a definite disservice by not showing her more in the 'Alone' video. The difference between seeing her in the videos from the 1985album and the video for "All I Want To Do Is Make Love To You' was a major shock to all the fans I knew. I think if the changes had been seen in 1987, it would have made the weigh issue not such a big deal.

[SapphireSister]

I feel like they did Ann Wilson a definite disservice by not showing her more in the 'Alone' video. The difference between seeing her in the videos from the 1985album and the video for "All I Want To Do Is Make Love To You' was a major shock to all the fans I knew. I think if the changes had been seen in 1987, it would have made the weigh issue not such a big deal.
Alone is my favorite Heart song. JTIS.

[BTFLCHLD]

As I don't know enough details about her personal struggle with weight. But for her health's sake I wish she could lose some weight.

Not long ago, I attended a concert by Jimmy Webb. He brought up all the amazing artists he has written for. He then began to tell us about Linda Ronstadt, and how her health was failing....how she had began to struggle with her weight and, being ripped in the press, made the decision to have some sort of gastric bypass, which then lead to the many health issues she has struggled with and continues to endure to this day. He was about in tears as he relayed the phone call he received the night prior with the disturbing news that she might not make it through the recent issues. Just before he began to stroke the keys and sing one of the many songs he had written for her, he asked us all to pray and send good thoughts her way.

My point being, some have personal struggles with weight, either being over or under weight, and until you are in that person's shoes, one should not spout off how they 'wish they'd lose weight so they'd be healthy' etc etc... it doesn't always work that way and there usually are all sorts of reasons behind weight issues. Take a look around, and be thankful if you yourself are healthy and right on target for your weight range. JTIS my opinion.

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[Zombie]

I agree many were awful to her. And I also agree that woman can sing.
But I'm not sure about it being anyone's business but her own. I know
it's totally unfair, and I believe most women are given a much harder
time about gaining weight. But don't you think with the money she and
other stars with the same fame have - couldn't they at least have a dietician
or someone make sure they have the right food to eat.

Saying "couldn't they at least have a dietician or someone make sure they have the right food to eat" is incredibly offensive. It implies that fat people are fat because they somehow don't "know any better," and therefore need someone to tell them what to do with their own bodies. It neglects to account for the wide variety of other reasons that could cause weight gain, and while it's true that not everyone is overweight due to a medical condition they can't control, you don't KNOW for sure that the person you are looking at doesn't have one of them.

Besides, if you know it's totally unfair, why would you participate in perpetuating that unfairness?

I don't know if drugs had anything to do with Ann's weight gain. But it sure did
with Elvis' and Stevie Nicks. Too many "yes" people around. No one to tell them
the truth. All the way down to the fans. And by fans, I mean the ones that will
accept anything the artist does, even if it's unhealthy to the very artist they care
about.

Buttercookie was right that I shouldn't have mentioned her weight, even though
I did so as carefully as I could without coming right out and saying she's ____.
As I don't know enough details about her personal struggle with weight. But for
her health's sake I wish she could lose some weight.

What "truth"? Do you think fat people don't know they're fat or something? Like, "Hey, Zombie, uh...dunno how to break it to you, but you're kinda fat..." and then I'm going to be all, "WAIT. WHAT? I'M FAT? OMG, NO WAY. I HAD NO IDEA. Thank you, kind observer, for pointing out I have a huge ass, or I might never have noticed it on my own - good thing I had someone to let me in on the truth."

C'mon, dude.

This is what's called "concern trolling." A judgment or personal attack disguised as heartfelt worry is still a judgment or personal attack.

It's not your job to police a stranger's health. And you can't judge the relative health of someone based entirely on their outward physical appearance. A thin person is not automatically healthy, just as a fat person is not automatically unhealthy.

And I agree Zombie, Ann's voice is great.

Yes, it is. And it's just as good now as it was when she was starving herself to fit someone else's standard of beauty.

I'm not yelling at you or anything, but I would like to ask that you please consider your motives for saying things like this. Why do you REALLY care so much about what she looks like?

[iamnotafraid]

Saying "couldn't they at least have a dietician or someone make sure they have the right food to eat" is incredibly offensive. It implies that fat people are fat because they somehow don't "know any better," and therefore need someone to tell them what to do with their own bodies.

I'm not yelling at you or anything, but I would like to ask that you please consider your motives for saying things like this. Why do you REALLY care so much about what she looks like?

The reason I mentioned a dietician was because "stars" have the money
(or should have) for someone to take care of them in that way. Of course
over eating is not the only cause, but it usually plays a significant
role.

And to relate to you saying I implied that "fat people are fat because somehow
they don't know any better and need someone to tell them..." Well sometimes
when it comes to stars THEY DO NEED SOMONE TO TELL THEM. The reason I
bring up Elvis in this thread is because he didn't have people around him to tell
him the truth. His people hid the bad reviews he got in the last few years of his
life. Did Elvis know he was in trouble? I'm sure he did, but he seemed obilvious
to just how bad it was (had he a realistic view of himself, he never would have
agreed to the last TV special in '77).

And I do care what you and Buttercookie think. Very few of my post are harsh
on people (stars). And a few of my best friends in real life are overweight. And
one of them can at least blame his love of food for the problem. Sometimes you
just have to back away from the table. Maybe that third helping of pie isn't good
for whomever.

[iamnotafraid]

Not long ago, I attended a concert by Jimmy Webb. He brought up all the amazing artists he has written for. He then began to tell us about Linda Ronstadt, and how her health was failing....how she had began to struggle with her weight and, being ripped in the press, made the decision to have some sort of gastric bypass, which then lead to the many health issues she has struggled with and continues to endure to this day. He was about in tears as he relayed the phone call he received the night prior with the disturbing news that she might not make it through the recent issues.

That's stinking sad news. I haven't really kept up with Linda, even though
I'm a big fan of her late 70's and early 80's work.

[jannieC]

Ditto to every single thing Zombie said.

The reason I mentioned a dietician was because "stars" have the money
(or should have) for someone to take care of them in that way. Of course
over eating is not the only cause, but it usually plays a significant
role.

And to relate to you saying I implied that "fat people are fat because somehow
they don't know any better and need someone to tell them..." Well sometimes
when it comes to stars THEY DO NEED SOMONE TO TELL THEM. The reason I
bring up Elvis in this thread is because he didn't have people around him to tell
him the truth. His people hid the bad reviews he got in the last few years of his
life. Did Elvis know he was in trouble? I'm sure he did, but he seemed obilvious
to just how bad it was (had he a realistic view of himself, he never would have
agreed to the last TV special in '77).

And I do care what you and Buttercookie think. Very few of my post are harsh
on people (stars). And a few of my best friends in real life are overweight. And
one of them can at least blame his love of food for the problem. Sometimes you
just have to back away from the table. Maybe that third helping of pie isn't good
for whomever.
How nice for your overweight best friends to have such a supportive and non judgmental friend. Are you serious when you say this? From where I sit, I see lots of folks struggling with a few lbs (or ten or twenty...). Someone who is significantly overweight is not necessary going to be able to "back away from the table." Life is not black and white and things are not always so simple.

The fact that you mentioned it to begin with and then are trying to back peddle out of the situation is what gets me. When I see an overweight person in a belly shirt, I sometimes wish I could offer my advice, especially if it's a young girl. But then, I kind of feel that way about belly shirts on ANYONE, for that matter. I haven't seen the performance you are referring to, but I am thinking that whatever Ann Wilson was wearing, it was not obscene or inappropriate.

You have every right to have issues with other people's appearance- just be prepared for the backlash and own up to it.

[BTFLCHLD]

That's stinking sad news. I haven't really kept up with Linda, even though
I'm a big fan of her late 70's and early 80's work.

she seems to be doing better; having done some recent public work here http://sanjosemariachifestival.com/index.php

let's hope this continues.

she is a very private artist; no personal website, little news, etc. This fansite is where one can find news... http://www.ronstadt-linda.com/

[Zombie]

The reason I mentioned a dietician was because "stars" have the money
(or should have) for someone to take care of them in that way. Of course
over eating is not the only cause, but it usually plays a significant
role.

And to relate to you saying I implied that "fat people are fat because somehow
they don't know any better and need someone to tell them..." Well sometimes
when it comes to stars THEY DO NEED SOMONE TO TELL THEM. The reason I
bring up Elvis in this thread is because he didn't have people around him to tell
him the truth. His people hid the bad reviews he got in the last few years of his
life. Did Elvis know he was in trouble? I'm sure he did, but he seemed obilvious
to just how bad it was (had he a realistic view of himself, he never would have
agreed to the last TV special in '77).

And I do care what you and Buttercookie think. Very few of my post are harsh
on people (stars). And a few of my best friends in real life are overweight. And
one of them can at least blame his love of food for the problem. Sometimes you
just have to back away from the table. Maybe that third helping of pie isn't good
for whomever.

Okay. Let me try this again.

Just because you have the money for something does not mean you have to spend it on that something. If someone has the money to hire a dietician and wants to do that, then more power to them. If they choose not to spend their money on a dietician, then more power to them on that, as well. It is the person's individual choice.

Fat shaming is not an effective motivator. Making someone feel bad for how they look is not an effective motivator. And just because Elvis may have had issues that left him unable to see things clearly does not mean that all overweight famous people are the same way.

And I don't care if ALL of your friends are fat - having a fat friend does not mean you're not showing bias, like just having a black friend doesn't mean someone's not still capable of being racist.

If your friend's love of food is a "problem," it is HIS "problem," not yours, unless he asks you for help in changing his eating habits. But no one has to back away from the table just because you think they should, and whether or not that third helping of pie is a "good" idea, if I want it, I'm going to eat it - it's my body, it's nothing to do with you.

Do you see what I am saying? Just because you have a problem with what other people weigh does not mean that they have to have that same problem with their own weight. And it doesn't mean you get to make judgments.

[iamnotafraid]

Ditto to every single thing Zombie said.


How nice for your overweight best friends to have such a supportive and non judgmental friend. Are you serious when you say this? From where I sit, I see lots of folks struggling with a few lbs (or ten or twenty...). Someone who is significantly overweight is not necessary going to be able to "back away from the table." Life is not black and white and things are not always so simple.

The fact that you mentioned it to begin with and then are trying to back peddle out of the situation is what gets me. When I see an overweight person in a belly shirt, I sometimes wish I could offer my advice, especially if it's a young girl. But then, I kind of feel that way about belly shirts on ANYONE, for that matter. I haven't seen the performance you are referring to, but I am thinking that whatever Ann Wilson was wearing, it was not obscene or inappropriate.

You have every right to have issues with other people's appearance- just be prepared for the backlash and own up to it.

First off I haven't said anything to my friends that are very overweight.
I'm about as good as Elvis' friends when it comes to that, a big chicken. And
it would be a lot easier to "feel" for them if they themselves didn't moan about
it. When people talk about losing weight and don't do anything about it, what
do you think is going to happen? And I'm talking about people I know, not
Ms. Wilson. And btw I'm talking about grown ups here not children. I'd never
say anything to a child about their weight. I am not a mean person. Look through
my post.

As to what Ann was wearing you're right it wasn't obscene or inappropriate.
Don't try and put words into my mouth. I do a good enough job at getting in
trouble without you adding to it. I just thought she could wear something that
would make her look more appealing. Maybe I'm wrong.

[iamnotafraid]

Okay. Let me try this again.

If your friend's love of food is a "problem," it is HIS "problem," not yours, unless he asks you for help in changing his eating habits. But no one has to back away from the table just because you think they should, and whether or not that third helping of pie is a "good" idea, if I want it, I'm going to eat it - it's my body, it's nothing to do with you.

Do you see what I am saying? Just because you have a problem with what other people weigh does not mean that they have to have that same problem with their own weight. And it doesn't mean you get to make judgments.

You say "unless he ask for my help". He's the one who brings his weight up, not
me. We've all got our own problems, I sure have my share. But if you hear a person
you know complaining about this particular problem, and then you see them eating
multiple helpings of food (at one of my parties). And then they wonder why they
can't lose weight???

I do see what you're saying though.

[jannieC]

First off I haven't said anything to my friends that are very overweight.
I'm about as good as Elvis' friends when it comes to that, a big chicken. And
it would be a lot easier to "feel" for them if they themselves didn't moan about
it. When people talk about losing weight and don't do anything about it, what
do you think is going to happen? And I'm talking about people I know, not
Ms. Wilson. And btw I'm talking about grown ups here not children. I'd never
say anything to a child about their weight. I am not a mean person. Look through
my post.

As to what Ann was wearing you're right it wasn't obscene or inappropriate.
Don't try and put words into my mouth. I do a good enough job at getting in
trouble without you adding to it. I just thought she could wear something that
would make her look more appealing. Maybe I'm wrong.

I didn't say that you were talking about children. I said that *I* struggle when I see a teenager wearing something that is unflattering and sexist. And I also didn't imply that you spoke in any manner to your very overweight friends. What I was implying is that most people wouldn't want their best friends thinking thoughts about them like, "step away from the table."

[iamnotafraid]

she is a very private artist; no personal website, little news, etc. This fansite is where one can find news... http://www.ronstadt-linda.com/

Thanks BTFCHLD.

[iamnotafraid]

I didn't say that you were talking about children. I said that *I* struggle when I see a teenager wearing something that is unflattering and sexist. And I also didn't imply that you spoke in any manner to your very overweight friends. What I was implying is that most people wouldn't want their best friends thinking thoughts about them like, "step away from the table."

Sorry Jannie, I misread your comments in my haist.
I love stirring up stuff, but not this type of topic. But I have
to say if you were in my shoes and had heard about this weight
problem for most of your life, even if wrong you might have thought
the same thing too.

[jannieC]

Sorry Jannie, I misread your comments in my haist.
I love stirring up stuff, but not this type of topic. But I have
to say if you were in my shoes and had heard about this weight
problem for most of your life, even if wrong you might have thought
the same thing too.

As I said, you are entitled to your own thoughts and feelings. I have spent too much time helping people through eating disorders. They are extremely hard to treat and the damage is deep.

As an aside, my sister is quite heavy (300+) and it has been difficult to watch her struggle with her weight. It can't have been easy for her to grow up with a younger brother and sister who were naturally thin with no effort. So, I get what it means to be around people who complain about their weight and then do nothing to make it better. However, I have come to learn that this is THEIR problem and it's not up to me to *fix* it (though that is usually my MO).

[vivfox]

Sorry Jannie, I misread your comments in my haist.
I love stirring up stuff, but not this type of topic. But I have
to say if you were in my shoes and had heard about this weight
problem for most of your life, even if wrong you might have thought
the same thing too.


What a suprise! Looks like you've managed to piss off and offend people all over again.

[Zombie]

You say "unless he ask for my help". He's the one who brings his weight up, not
me. We've all got our own problems, I sure have my share. But if you hear a person
you know complaining about this particular problem, and then you see them eating
multiple helpings of food (at one of my parties). And then they wonder why they
can't lose weight???

I do see what you're saying though.

All I have to go on here are your words - you didn't say anything about your friend's own opinions on his own weight, just that you have friends that are overweight and one of them can blame his love of food for it.

It is frustrating to listen to someone complain about something incessantly and then not do anything to change it, I agree. But that still doesn't give any of us the right to be the fat police for anyone else. We're all entitled to our opinions, be they valid or not - what's important is to try to be aware of our biases and think before we open our mouths. In my opinion, anyway.

[carrie721]

Watched Heart's Behind The Music (Remastered) tonight. Pretty cool, but I guess
they couldn't make the show if musicians didn't complain. And I'm not going to
say something rude about someone's weight, but she needs help with
wardrobe. Those black tent shirts aren't helping.

what a mess this turned into. :lol:

FWIW, i agree with this, and i took this as less a comment on her weight and more as a comment on her wardrobe, which, much like stevie's, does not flatter her figure.

while ann has no responsibility to wear clothes that i think look good, a person's wardrobe says a lot about their personality and how they feel about their body. ann's clothing seems like an expression of shame and an attempt to hide herself, which is really too bad because she is one of the most talented musicians alive and arguably the best voice in rock.

as far as the fat-shaming conversation goes ... i do feel that at a certain point, if you are a friend of a fat person who complains about his/her weight but does nothing about it, you have permission to say STFU and step away from the cheeseburger. and i say that as a fat person who has had a friend say STFU, step away from the cheeseburger, and get your fat ass on your bike. or in the pool. or out for a jog. i have no problem with this because at the end of the day, even if i do have a food-related pathology (never been diagnosed, but pringles disorder is a thing, right?), i recognize and accept the cause and effect relationship between overeating/sedentariness (not a word!) and being faaaaaat.

zombie - you are right that nobody who's fat is unaware of their fatness, but sometimes it does take a friend to point out contradictory behavior, such as continuing to overeat while complaining about being overweight. in my mind, that is the definition of a good friend - someone who is willing and strong enough to put the warm fuzzies aside for a moment and knock you upside the head with the cold, hard truth.

jannie - is there anyone on this planet who is nonjudgmental? calling someone judgmental these days has pretty much the same connotation as calling someone a bigot, which is a little absurd. everyone is judgmental, or, to use a less loaded term, discerning. everyone has a set of standards they hold themselves and others to, and implying that iamnotafraid is a bad friend because he bristles at his friend's refusal to change something that he himself is unhappy with is silly. what is the value in being "supportive" if it fosters a friend's unhappiness and unhealthiness?

somewhere along the way, "overweight" became a new untouchable minority in our culture, as if someone is simply born fat, just as someone is born black or born gay. of course there is a vast spectrum of body types - i could lose 60 pounds, but i'd still be a short, broad-shouldered broad, whereas my brother is a foot taller and has to work to put on weight - but by and large, having a BMI in the obese range is a choice. again, i am not speaking from a lofty, skinny-bitch perch. i have a BMI of 36. i have struggled with my weight since a kid named jason fitzgerald first called me fat in 4th grade (funnily enough, i was not fat then, but i am now). however, i now exercise every day. i have to think about everything i eat because i was not taught healthy eating habits growing up. i know firsthand that the damage of eating disorders is deep, and quitting overeating is different from, say, quitting smoking because we need to eat to survive. so a person with an eating disorder faces his/her demon multiple times a day. i get that. but i do not think that it is an insurmountable obstacle for most people, nor do i think that treating it as such is beneficial to anyone.

JTIS.

:lol:

[jaycee]

By now I'm sure to have a reputation for (among other things) promoting free and open source software. Of course, vBulletin is not an example of that (I only found out tonight, as it were). MyBB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyBB#Reviews), on the other hand, is. It has come to my attention that another FM forum has started somewhat recently, implementing MyBB - http://fleetwoodmacforum.com/thechain/. So, feel free to open an account there! :D
(Needless to say, I have absolutely no regrets about joining here, and won't suddenly stop visiting (much to everyone's dismay! :lol:). :))

[SapphireSister]

what a mess this turned into. :lol:

FWIW, i agree with this, and i took this as less a comment on her weight and more as a comment on her wardrobe, which, much like stevie's, does not flatter her figure.

while ann has no responsibility to wear clothes that i think look good, a person's wardrobe says a lot about their personality and how they feel about their body. ann's clothing seems like an expression of shame and an attempt to hide herself, which is really too bad because she is one of the most talented musicians alive and arguably the best voice in rock.

as far as the fat-shaming conversation goes ... i do feel that at a certain point, if you are a friend of a fat person who complains about his/her weight but does nothing about it, you have permission to say STFU and step away from the cheeseburger. and i say that as a fat person who has had a friend say STFU, step away from the cheeseburger, and get your fat ass on your bike. or in the pool. or out for a jog. i have no problem with this because at the end of the day, even if i do have a food-related pathology (never been diagnosed, but pringles disorder is a thing, right?), i recognize and accept the cause and effect relationship between overeating/sedentariness (not a word!) and being faaaaaat.

zombie - you are right that nobody who's fat is unaware of their fatness, but sometimes it does take a friend to point out contradictory behavior, such as continuing to overeat while complaining about being overweight. in my mind, that is the definition of a good friend - someone who is willing and strong enough to put the warm fuzzies aside for a moment and knock you upside the head with the cold, hard truth.

jannie - is there anyone on this planet who is nonjudgmental? calling someone judgmental these days has pretty much the same connotation as calling someone a bigot, which is a little absurd. everyone is judgmental, or, to use a less loaded term, discerning. everyone has a set of standards they hold themselves and others to, and implying that iamnotafraid is a bad friend because he bristles at his friend's refusal to change something that he himself is unhappy with is silly. what is the value in being "supportive" if it fosters a friend's unhappiness and unhealthiness?

somewhere along the way, "overweight" became a new untouchable minority in our culture, as if someone is simply born fat, just as someone is born black or born gay. of course there is a vast spectrum of body types - i could lose 60 pounds, but i'd still be a short, broad-shouldered broad, whereas my brother is a foot taller and has to work to put on weight - but by and large, having a BMI in the obese range is a choice. again, i am not speaking from a lofty, skinny-bitch perch. i have a BMI of 36. i have struggled with my weight since a kid named jason fitzgerald first called me fat in 4th grade (funnily enough, i was not fat then, but i am now). however, i now exercise every day. i have to think about everything i eat because i was not taught healthy eating habits growing up. i know firsthand that the damage of eating disorders is deep, and quitting overeating is different from, say, quitting smoking because we need to eat to survive. so a person with an eating disorder faces his/her demon multiple times a day. i get that. but i do not think that it is an insurmountable obstacle for most people, nor do i think that treating it as such is beneficial to anyone.

JTIS.

:lol:
I'm staying out of this one but I must admit it's nice to see you write more than your usual one-liners! I mean really :D.

[ButterCookie]

I'm staying out of this one but I must admit it's nice to see you write more than your usual one-liners! I mean really :D.

I was about to say that! Carrie, you gotta start adding your two cents like that much more often :D

[carrie721]

By now I'm sure to have a reputation for (among other things) promoting free and open source software. Of course, vBulletin is not an example of that (I only found out tonight, as it were). MyBB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyBB#Reviews), on the other hand, is. It has come to my attention that another FM forum has started somewhat recently, implementing MyBB - http://fleetwoodmacforum.com/thechain/. So, feel free to open an account there! :D
(Needless to say, I have absolutely no regrets about joining here, and won't suddenly stop visiting (much to everyone's dismay! :lol:). :))

if you only knew what you just opened up. :laugh:

I'm staying out of this one but I must admit it's nice to see you write more than your usual one-liners! I mean really :D.

I was about to say that! Carrie, you gotta start adding your two cents like that much more often :D

hahaha thanks guys. i do have an idea or two rolling around in my skull. :laugh:

[iamnotafraid]

Carrie is my new Hero.

Where were you early yesterday???

Now, it's time to play guitar.

[carrie721]

Carrie is my new Hero.

Where were you early yesterday???

Now, it's time to play guitar.

i was at work. work ruins everything. :mad:

[jannieC]

jannie - is there anyone on this planet who is nonjudgmental? calling someone judgmental these days has pretty much the same connotation as calling someone a bigot, which is a little absurd. everyone is judgmental, or, to use a less loaded term, discerning. everyone has a set of standards they hold themselves and others to, and implying that iamnotafraid is a bad friend because he bristles at his friend's refusal to change something that he himself is unhappy with is silly. what is the value in being "supportive" if it fosters a friend's unhappiness and unhealthiness?

somewhere along the way, "overweight" became a new untouchable minority in our culture, as if someone is simply born fat, just as someone is born black or born gay. of course there is a vast spectrum of body types - i could lose 60 pounds, but i'd still be a short, broad-shouldered broad, whereas my brother is a foot taller and has to work to put on weight - but by and large, having a BMI in the obese range is a choice. again, i am not speaking from a lofty, skinny-bitch perch. i have a BMI of 36. i have struggled with my weight since a kid named jason fitzgerald first called me fat in 4th grade (funnily enough, i was not fat then, but i am now). however, i now exercise every day. i have to think about everything i eat because i was not taught healthy eating habits growing up. i know firsthand that the damage of eating disorders is deep, and quitting overeating is different from, say, quitting smoking because we need to eat to survive. so a person with an eating disorder faces his/her demon multiple times a day. i get that. but i do not think that it is an insurmountable obstacle for most people, nor do i think that treating it as such is beneficial to anyone.

JTIS.

:lol:

You know, because of the field I am in, I do work with extremely NON-judgmental and empathetic people. Of course, that's a good thing, but it also contributes to my idea that most everyone either is or should be that way too. I know that I have to work really hard at it because of what I do, and I shouldn't sound holier-than-thou because I do have my own biases. So, you're right- everyone has some level of judgment-passing (I'm hurrying- at work-can't think of better words right now). What bugs me is when someone passes a judgment (either in an obvious way or a subtle way) and then doesn't acknowlege or own up to their feelings. All that being said, this is a Fleetwood Mac fan message board and not a place to wax poetic on empathy, diversity, and so on.

For what it's worth, I do believe one can be a supportive friend and still be able to SAY, "you know you seem to be awfully unhappy about your weight and I notice you sure do eat a lot..." or some variation of that. I don't think that we should tippy toe around people. But to comment on Anne Wilson's unflattering wardrobe choice felt catty and mean spirited to me, hence my responses.

[iamnotafraid]

What bugs me is when someone passes a judgment (either in an obvious way or a subtle way) and then doesn't acknowlege or own up to their feelings.

But to comment on Anne Wilson's unflattering wardrobe choice felt catty and mean spirited to me, hence my responses.

Taking a break from playing guitar.....

JannieC are you slapping me in the face again?
Catty, mean spirited..........ouch.

If you really knew me, I know you wouldn't think that way about me.
And I do stand by my statements, though if you could read my mind
they aren't as mean as maybe they read.

My apology to Buttercookie (and to Zombie?) was because I care what
they think. Not to mention you Jannie. The clothes statement might have
seemed harsh, and maybe I should have used better words. But there is
truth to what I said. All that said, it wouldn't hurt if I lost 10 to 15 lbs.

Oh well, back to guitar playing. Maybe Heart needs a lead guitarist for the
new tour?

Watch my back Carrie.

[carrie721]

You know I've been thinking about this and I really don't think it's true. Fat jokes are made every day, you hear them on TV, in films, on the street, in your office. Some aren't too bad but some are really mean-spirited and nasty. I know a few people got upset here, but in general I really don't think being fat is considered untouchable at all, it's ridiculed and looked down upon all the time. You only have to glance at a copy of Heat or any magazine to see how shameful it's considered.

But anyway, I don't really want to get into the argument because I don't really care any more than that, but I was watching an interview today with Sharon Osbourne talking about getting a gastric band and it sounds pretty horrible, although it worked for her. She was saying to her that food was an addiction and unlike the treatment for other addictions you can't give up food altogether, you still have to eat every day, which I thought was an interesting way of looking at it and echoed what Carrie said in her post.

you're wrong and i hate you!

:lol:

you're right, in many ways fat people are a free for all. i was thinking specifically and speaking generally. i don't know heat magazine, but i assume it's a gossip mag? in that case, there really isn't much that's off limits for those rags, tho i know what you mean. however, many people do treat it as an untouchable topic -- just see the comments in this thread -- and i don't think that's helpful for anybody.

on the topic of obesity, the atlantic had an interesting article on it a couple months ago:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/05/beating-obesity/8017/

i don't agree with everything he has to say, but it's still an interesting look at the issue from someone who has firsthand experience with it.

[carrie721]

You know, because of the field I am in, I do work with extremely NON-judgmental and empathetic people. Of course, that's a good thing, but it also contributes to my idea that most everyone either is or should be that way too. I know that I have to work really hard at it because of what I do, and I shouldn't sound holier-than-thou because I do have my own biases. So, you're right- everyone has some level of judgment-passing (I'm hurrying- at work-can't think of better words right now). What bugs me is when someone passes a judgment (either in an obvious way or a subtle way) and then doesn't acknowlege or own up to their feelings. All that being said, this is a Fleetwood Mac fan message board and not a place to wax poetic on empathy, diversity, and so on.

For what it's worth, I do believe one can be a supportive friend and still be able to SAY, "you know you seem to be awfully unhappy about your weight and I notice you sure do eat a lot..." or some variation of that. I don't think that we should tippy toe around people. But to comment on Anne Wilson's unflattering wardrobe choice felt catty and mean spirited to me, hence my responses.

is it possible to be a shrink without having your own values inform your work? that's an honest question, i'm not picking on you. i think about this a lot, and i really don't think it's possible to be nonjudgmental. it's possible to be a nonasshole, but i equate being nonjudgmetal with being overly permissive; if you don't pass any judgment on someone's behavior, doesn't that give them a free pass to do whatever? even if, instead of drawing the line between good behavior and bad behavior, you draw it between healthy behavior and unhealthy behavior, that's still a judgment call. so is the expectation that shrinks be nonjudgmental valid?

Taking a break from playing guitar.....

JannieC are you slapping me in the face again?
Catty, mean spirited..........ouch.

If you really knew me, I know you wouldn't think that way about me.
And I do stand by my statements, though if you could read my mind
they aren't as mean as maybe they read.

My apology to Buttercookie (and to Zombie?) was because I care what
they think. Not to mention you Jannie. The clothes statement might have
seemed harsh, and maybe I should have used better words. But there is
truth to what I said. All that said, it wouldn't hurt if I lost 10 to 15 lbs.

so you're saying you're mean AND fat. got it.

hahahahaha. :lol:

Oh well, back to guitar playing. Maybe Heart needs a lead guitarist for the
new tour?

Watch my back Carrie.

:wavey:

[GODDESS6]

Taking a break from playing guitar.....

JannieC are you slapping me in the face again?
Catty, mean spirited..........ouch.

If you really knew me, I know you wouldn't think that way about me.
And I do stand by my statements, though if you could read my mind
they aren't as mean as maybe they read.

My apology to Buttercookie (and to Zombie?) was because I care what
they think. Not to mention you Jannie. The clothes statement might have
seemed harsh, and maybe I should have used better words. But there is
truth to what I said. All that said, it wouldn't hurt if I lost 10 to 15 lbs.

Oh well, back to guitar playing. Maybe Heart needs a lead guitarist for the
new tour?

Watch my back Carrie.

sorry, but jannie is far from that:distress:~i have always found her to be anything but that~

[BTFLCHLD]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs110.snc4/35868_128981153806944_100000851803764_149421_6025412_n.jpg

[gretchen]

I'm having a Corona right now!!!...and I so want that delish burrito...

[LikeAWillow]

Yo, Ohio. Good post. I'm not going to quote the whole thing because you know why you rock.

My issue isn't with friends telling friends that if they're going to complain, they need to start acting, though. My issue is with this...

what a mess this turned into. :lol:

FWIW, i agree with this, and i took this as less a comment on her weight and more as a comment on her wardrobe, which, much like stevie's, does not flatter her figure.


:lol:

... the fact that the original comment was, like you said, about iamnotafraid not liking Ann's wardrobe choices. When he was called out on that, though, a new front came out, the "I'm concerned for her health" front.

I really f*cking hate the "I'm concerned for her health" front.

No, random person on the street complaining about fat people, you're not mad because this girl you don't know is setting herself up for heart disease and type II diabetes. I don't hear you complaining about that pretty little anorexic cocktail waitress who served you drinks last night. Unless, of course, her bones were showing. Then it's just gross. Then she needs help.

The truth is, eating problems are fine as long as the woman courting them is, too. So no, you're not mad that fat people are hurting their health, you're mad because you have to look at fat people, and damn, when they don't wear clothes that hide the fat, you have to see it EVEN MORE! So own up to it when you're called out, don't hide behind a facade that you're just a concerned citizen. Or, if you're going to hide behind that facade, please don't torture me by going on about the importance of real talk and honesty about people with weight problems. I live in a city of hipsters. There's only so much irony I can take in one day.

[iamnotafraid]

sorry, but jannie is far from that:distress:~i have always found her to be anything but that~

I wasn't calling her that, I was thinking she called me that.


And LikeAWillow I can feel both, she should take care of herself for
appearance sake and health. Actually everytime I see Ms. Wilson I
feel some of both. I bet if she took care of herself she'd be happier.
Though all those Behind The Music shows have artist complaining
(as to what I meant in my original post).

This topic has really brought out some strong feelings from many of
you. And I wish I'd been a little more careful how I worded my original
post. But even if it seemed harsh, it was true from my point of view. At
some points in her career, I could have said the same about Stevie. Though
the older someone gets, I think they should get a little more slack.

Walk a mile in my shoes before you judge me. I know there are many reasons
for weight gain. But anyone being honest would have to admit some are
just too lazy to do something about it. I have friends that fit in both catagories.
Some can't seem to lose weight no matter what they do. And others have no
will or are just too lazy to do anything about it.

More cake anyone?

[LikeAWillow]

Walk a mile in my shoes before you judge me.


You have got to just be goading us for fun now. Come on, dude. That's too easy ^

[iamnotafraid]

You have got to just be goading us for fun now. Come on, dude. That's too easy ^

I opened the door.

I did notice most of the posts were from "skinny" people.

[LukeA]

Oh, come on, its not like iamnotafraid has ever goaded us for fun before.

[iamnotafraid]

so you're saying you're mean AND fat. got it.

hahahahaha. :lol:


:wavey:

Yes, sometimes both.
I did eat six tacos yesterday.

Some say I was born with a heart
two sizes too small.

[jannieC]

is it possible to be a shrink without having your own values inform your work? that's an honest question, i'm not picking on you. i think about this a lot, and i really don't think it's possible to be nonjudgmental. it's possible to be a nonasshole, but i equate being nonjudgmetal with being overly permissive; if you don't pass any judgment on someone's behavior, doesn't that give them a free pass to do whatever? even if, instead of drawing the line between good behavior and bad behavior, you draw it between healthy behavior and unhealthy behavior, that's still a judgment call. so is the expectation that shrinks be nonjudgmental valid?


Believe me, my values do play a role in my work and I spend a lot of time examining them on my own and in clinical supervision. I remember writing a lengthy paper in graduate school, alllll about my values; where they originated and how they could impact my work. I don't think you're picking on me, Carrie. We've "known" each other for several years and I'm sure you know by now where my motivation comes from. Being a therapist does not mean that I sit in "non judgment" and give a pardon for ****ty behavior. Believe it or not, I am actually a confrontational therapist; meaning, I have no problem being reality based with my clients.

The term "non judgmental" can hold different meanings for everyone. The expectation for clinicians from the NASW Code of Ethics:

Social workers also should be aware of the impact on ethical decision making of their clients’ and their own personal values and cultural and religious beliefs and practices. They should be aware of any conflicts between personal and professional values and deal with them responsibly.

So, MY responsibility is to make sure that my biases, values, and judgments don't impact the client's treatment.

Is imnotafraid or anyone else on The Ledge bound by this? ;) Of course not. I am not saying that imnotafraid is catty, but I thought that mentioning AW's outfit was mean spirited and I commented on that.

I need to stop commenting about this though, because I am sounding like I am speaking from waaay up on a high horse, and I don't want that. I do much better when I am *speaking*, rather than writing.

[LikeAWillow]

I need to stop commenting about this though, because I am sounding like I am speaking from waaay up on a high horse, and I don't want that. I do much better when I am *speaking*, rather than writing.

You really don't. I mean, that probably doesn't mean much from me because I know I come off pretentious as hell :laugh: , but seriously, you're just explaining yourself. And well at that :xoxo:

[SteveMacD]

The classic version of Guided by Voices is reuniting!!!

[iamnotafraid]

^^ I agree with Willow JannieC. Keep commenting, just so long as you
agree with everything I say.

Hey....I just fired a shotgun up in the air. But I won't say why.

Now yall leave me alone, it's guitar time.

[Zombie]

I did notice most of the posts were from "skinny" people.

Hi, everybody! I'm Zombie and I'm a fatass! When I make comments about fat shaming, and why certain comments working from a thin perspective are offensive and suchlike, I am speaking as a fatass thoroughly familiar with the process of carting a fat ass around on a day to day basis.

< anecdata >
3 years ago or more, I was twice the size I am now. I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia and a few other health-related problems, and after being on several medications that were supposed to help that, I got even fatter. And it didn't actually help. So...I changed tactics and lost about 80 pounds. It was hard work, and though I live with a constant low level of pain all day, every day, I do feel much better now.

But I'm still not thin. I'll never be thin, even if I lost another 80 pounds. I have wide hips and big tits and that's just the way it goes. But f*ck you, I look good. And I looked good when I was twice this size, too. Because I like me. I'm awesome.

And no, I am not healthy - but it's not to do with my weight. I can't cure FMS. I'll have that forever. While I found that reducing the size of my ass took a lot of pressure off of my joints and muscles and did help me feel better, even if I lost another 80 pounds, I'm still gonna hurt. < / anecdata >

as far as the fat-shaming conversation goes ... i do feel that at a certain point, if you are a friend of a fat person who complains about his/her weight but does nothing about it, you have permission to say STFU and step away from the cheeseburger. and i say that as a fat person who has had a friend say STFU, step away from the cheeseburger, and get your fat ass on your bike. or in the pool. or out for a jog. i have no problem with this because at the end of the day, even if i do have a food-related pathology (never been diagnosed, but pringles disorder is a thing, right?), i recognize and accept the cause and effect relationship between overeating/sedentariness (not a word!) and being faaaaaat.

zombie - you are right that nobody who's fat is unaware of their fatness, but sometimes it does take a friend to point out contradictory behavior, such as continuing to overeat while complaining about being overweight. in my mind, that is the definition of a good friend - someone who is willing and strong enough to put the warm fuzzies aside for a moment and knock you upside the head with the cold, hard truth.

If you have a friend that complains constantly but doesn't actually do anything about it, then yeah - by all means, say something. I said that before.

But the comments aren't necessary when someone isn't complaining or asking for help or whatever - then it's just saying stuff to say it, and quite often, the motivations behind saying that stuff are not so pure. I'm pretty positive that no one here would ever even think of telling an overweight complete stranger in line at the Starbucks that a gallon sized mochacino frappalatte or whatever-the-f*ck-I-don't-go-to-Starbucks-and-it-shows might not be a healthy choice, but commenting on a celebrity's weight in a disparaging manner is sort of like that - we don't know Ann Wilson, we don't know 90s Stevie, etc.

Of course, the random stranger (http://www.bfdblog.com/2009/12/23/dear-strangers-at-lunch-you-should-lose-weight/) thing DOES happen (http://www.bfdblog.com/2010/05/13/concern-trolling-via-post-it-note/), and quite a lot (http://www.bfdblog.com/2010/06/07/youre-fat-your-car-sucks-im-a-jackass/). Clicky links for just three examples.

And Marissa put it very well when she addressed the "I'm just concerned for your health" line, so I won't repeat that.

somewhere along the way, "overweight" became a new untouchable minority in our culture, as if someone is simply born fat, just as someone is born black or born gay. of course there is a vast spectrum of body types - i could lose 60 pounds, but i'd still be a short, broad-shouldered broad, whereas my brother is a foot taller and has to work to put on weight - but by and large, having a BMI in the obese range is a choice. again, i am not speaking from a lofty, skinny-bitch perch. i have a BMI of 36. i have struggled with my weight since a kid named jason fitzgerald first called me fat in 4th grade (funnily enough, i was not fat then, but i am now). however, i now exercise every day. i have to think about everything i eat because i was not taught healthy eating habits growing up. i know firsthand that the damage of eating disorders is deep, and quitting overeating is different from, say, quitting smoking because we need to eat to survive. so a person with an eating disorder faces his/her demon multiple times a day. i get that. but i do not think that it is an insurmountable obstacle for most people, nor do i think that treating it as such is beneficial to anyone.

JTIS.

:lol:

When we talk like this, we are working from the position that having that BMI* is OMG AWFUL. As long as someone is comfortable, healthy and happy at whatever weight they are, it shouldn't matter. That is my point with the fat shaming conversation.

Jason Fitzgerald fat shamed you for no reason, and you still carry that with you. Kids in school fat shamed me for no reason, and I still carry that. Even if we WERE fat back then, it would still be for no reason, because it's wrong.

I was not comfortable at my higher weight, so I lost it. Someone else may be comfortable at that weight, though, and they don't need to lose it. Just because something isn't always insurmountable doesn't mean it's still always necessary.

Yes, some fat people are fat because they eat too much. Some people are fat because they have thyroid issues. Some people are fat because they don't exercise. Some people are fat because they're fat. It happens. It's not up to the hoi polloi to pass judgment on that unless that judgment is asked for, as in, "I hate wearing this size 20, I wish I could lose weight" - "Okay, then STFU and put down the cheeseburger."

*I am not going to get into why the BMI thing is actually incredibly damaging and mostly bogus unless someone is curious, so I'm putting this down here as a disclaimer - I reference the BMI because Carrie used it and I am trying to make my responses relate as well as possible to what others are saying. I do not think that the BMI system as it currently stands is an accurate or useful system in any way.

you're wrong and i hate you!

:lol:

you're right, in many ways fat people are a free for all. i was thinking specifically and speaking generally. i don't know heat magazine, but i assume it's a gossip mag? in that case, there really isn't much that's off limits for those rags, tho i know what you mean. however, many people do treat it as an untouchable topic -- just see the comments in this thread -- and i don't think that's helpful for anybody.

on the topic of obesity, the atlantic had an interesting article on it a couple months ago:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/05/beating-obesity/8017/

i don't agree with everything he has to say, but it's still an interesting look at the issue from someone who has firsthand experience with it.

It's not an untouchable subject. I'm not saying we shouldn't discuss weight issues. In fact, I'm saying the opposite, since I'm here discussing weight issues. I'm saying that when we discuss these things, we need to examine our motives for our reactions and put a little more thought into what we say before we say it - that way, our discussions can be a little more productive.

But yeah - fat people are definitely one of the last acceptable groups to bash, no matter what venue we're speaking about - gossip mag or 'net forum or conversation at the dinner table or evening news (count how many headless fatties you see on the next OMG OBESITY CRISIS news report), and that's why I think it's important to have conversations like this, because these ideas get ingrained early and they cause pain when they shouldn't have to.

If I might proffer a few links which may be of interest, here are some sites that I frequent that deal with body positivity, fat acceptance, and the Health at Every Size movement. I do not always agree with EVERYTHING said on these sites, but they do offer interesting food for thought (ha - reference joke!)

www.fatshionista.com
www.bfdblog.com
www.kateharding.net
www.the-f-word.org

And a series of Fat Rant videos from the stunning & talented Joy Nash:

A Fat Rant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUTJQIBI1oA)
Fat Rant 2: Confessions of the Compulsive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8dm5VpYGH4)
Fat Rant 3: Staircase Wit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyQ_IKkAM9I)

I'm not saying everyone should be fat or everyone should be thin. Everyone should do what is right for them. And if the sight of my fat ass offends anyone too mightily, then don't look at it. ;)

And oddly enough and as an aside, I learned much more about learning to love myself and how I look from my size 00 little sister. I also learned that not all thin people are healthy just because they're thin. She's a recovering anorectic and bulimic who now works as a personal trainer and devotes a lot of her energy towards eating disorder activism & body positivity, whether you're a size 00 or a size 28. We look nothing alike, and I often joke that she got all the supermodel in the family, but while she IS very thin, she's no longer an unhealthy thin. She rocks & she's one of my heroes.

But don't tell her I said that because while we may look nothing alike, we've got very similar personalities and she'd be tempted to punch me in the neck for being so mushy.

[HomerMcvie]

I think it's healthy, to talk about your weight.

Me, I've been 30 lbs overweight, pretty much my entire life. I'm 5'10". Gradually, I'd grown to 215, three years ago. People always thought of me as a big, strong guy, but I always knew I had a small frame. Well, three years ago, I was at my aunt's house, for dinner. Never one to mince words, she just up and told me that I was getting way too fat.

Well, I heeded her advice, and lost about 30 lbs. A nice start, but I stopped at the 30. Cut to last fall, and I had sort of an epiphany. I decided that I wanted to be in charge of my body, from here on out. I cut out most red meat and bread, and started eating lots of veggies. At least 2-3 liters of water a day.

Well, I'm now 135 lbs. 80 lbs lower than 3 years ago. Wearing 27" jeans! Almost too skinny, but I don't care. I feel like a million bucks now! My cholesterol has dropped 93 points!!!, and my blood pressure 20! My family is worried that I'm too thin now, and on me to gain weight, but I told them the other day, to mind their own business. I have one friend who insists I'm anorexic, but he's obese, so I just take his criticism with a grain of salt. Yeah, he eats Steak and Shake at 4AM, and is probably 350, so who's got the problem here? My skinny friend pointed out, "David, have you noticed that everyone that has a problem with your weight loss, is heavy? Our skinny friends think you look great, but the heavy ones think you have a problem!"

I don't judge others for their weight, either. My weight loss is about ME, and only ME.

[vivfox]

I just finished eating a delicious bowl of Friendly's Coffee Ice Cream! And oh yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss, I want moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[SapphireSister]

I'm skinny and by gawd, I love fat people (I just love all people is my point). :sorry:

[jaycee]

Yo, Ohio. Good post. I'm not going to quote the whole thing because you know why you rock.

My issue isn't with friends telling friends that if they're going to complain, they need to start acting, though. My issue is with this...



... the fact that the original comment was, like you said, about iamnotafraid not liking Ann's wardrobe choices. When he was called out on that, though, a new front came out, the "I'm concerned for her health" front.

I really f*cking hate the "I'm concerned for her health" front.

No, random person on the street complaining about fat people, you're not mad because this girl you don't know is setting herself up for heart disease and type II diabetes. I don't hear you complaining about that pretty little anorexic cocktail waitress who served you drinks last night. Unless, of course, her bones were showing. Then it's just gross. Then she needs help.

The truth is, eating problems are fine as long as the woman courting them is, too. So no, you're not mad that fat people are hurting their health, you're mad because you have to look at fat people, and damn, when they don't wear clothes that hide the fat, you have to see it EVEN MORE! So own up to it when you're called out, don't hide behind a facade that you're just a concerned citizen. Or, if you're going to hide behind that facade, please don't torture me by going on about the importance of real talk and honesty about people with weight problems. I live in a city of hipsters. There's only so much irony I can take in one day.

Damn it LikeAWillow, stop making sense! It makes it all that much harder for us to disagree! :laugh:

[Zombie]

Getting away from the fat stuff for a moment, am I the only one extremely confused by the Volvo/Twilight TV spots?

Why does this exist? I mean, I understand wanting to cash in on the incredible amount of money to be made by slapping Jacob or Edward or Bella on ANYTHING, but...Volvo? How many 13 year old girls y'all know can afford a Volvo? Or drive one that they win in some strange movie tie-in game? Perhaps this is only for the worrisome and creepy over-30 OMG TEAM EDWARD or OMG TEAM JACOB set, but still...

<object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/4QuHXfgWxGU&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/4QuHXfgWxGU&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object>

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Os2Pkkmjbks&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Os2Pkkmjbks&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

...wha?

Every time the car pops up, I just giggle madly. IT'S. SO. DRAMATIC. Like the Volvo is a new character in the film or something - sparklepire, shirtless faux Native American wolfboy, the wooden girl, and introducing...sleek and shiny midsize SUV!

I'm Team Volvo now. Screw Jacob & Edward, I think Bella should get it on with the SUV. At least SUVs are supposed to carry you around so you don't walk anywhere, and when they never wear shirts, you don't think that's weird, because it's an SUV, it doesn't wear shirts?

[iamnotafraid]

Getting away from the fat stuff for a moment, am I the only one extremely confused by the Twilight TV spots?

Ever wonder why there aren't any "Fat" Vampires?

They don't exactly eat salads.

Food for thought.

[Zombie]

Ever wonder why there aren't any "Fat" Vampires?

They don't exactly eat salads.

Food for thought.

http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv335/nowgozombiego/Maybelline.jpg ?

[BTFLCHLD]

:lol: http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv335/nowgozombiego/Maybelline.jpg ?

http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/10172/comeandgetitff.gif

[ButterCookie]

I just bought 7 Blondie CD's in one sitting. My bank balance doesn't like me.

[DefDumbandBlond]

I really do think we'd need a truck to carry our stuff home like you said if we went out shopping together. :lol:

[iamnotafraid]

While I wait on the weather to clear to mow the grass.

Obesity Rate Swells in 28 States (Love the title).
Mississippi you're #1.

Go to WebMD to check out your state.

I thought this info might go along with the Weight topic.

[iamnotafraid]

I love companies that send me FREE stuff.
Thanks Gibson/Epiphone - made my day.
Did I say free?

[HomerMcvie]

I love companies that send me FREE stuff.
Thanks Gibson/Epiphone - made my day.
Did I say free?What are they sending you for free? Obviously an Epiphone product!:lol:

[iamnotafraid]

What are they sending you for free? Obviously an Epiphone product!:lol:

"They" call it swag, I call it cool shirts and whatnots.
(shirt, wristbands,cupholder,keychains, stickers and a book)

[ButterCookie]

Sometimes trolling is funny. Sometimes I want to damage something small and cute when a troll rears it's ugly head.

[DefDumbandBlond]

Yep, trolling is only good when it's actually funny. Some are just pure ass lame, as seen in another thread here tonight.

[LukeA]

While I wait on the weather to clear to mow the grass.

Obesity Rate Swells in 28 States (Love the title).
Mississippi you're #1.

Go to WebMD to check out your state.

I thought this info might go along with the Weight topic.

Oregon is 40 something.

Keep your hands off my Redonkadonk Burger (http://www.health.com/health/gallery/0,,20393387_38,00.html)!

http://img2.timeinc.net/health/images/gallery/eating/oregon-fatty-food-400x400.jpg

[LikeAWillow]

Lucas, that is the single most disgusting thing I have ever seen in my life.

Now for it's polar opposite!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ak4IudzYh98/SwuKpDDi_NI/AAAAAAAAAow/YmWneOaEB70/s1600/d2ad35670d3ac0_full.jpg

I love late night tv.

[HomerMcvie]

I'm doing sound, right now!, for a local hippie band. The bass player got a solo, and he threw in The Chain bass solo.

Just thought I'd share. It was funny that I was reading The Ledge WHILE it happened!

[Zombie]

http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/10172/comeandgetitff.gif

http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv335/nowgozombiego/twatlight.gif

Tee hee.

I love late night tv.

Oh oh! I have one for you, too:

http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv335/nowgozombiego/drcoxxxx.gif

[iamnotafraid]

I'm doing sound, right now!, for a local hippie band. The bass player got a solo, and he threw in The Chain bass solo.

Just thought I'd share. It was funny that I was reading The Ledge WHILE it happened!

Cool! Did he do it justice?

[iamnotafraid]

Gatorade the official drink of the South.
It sure helps on these HOT days.

[Amlyn]

It's my last day in Ireland. Back home tomorrow morning. Been a fun and busy two weeks. Beautiful country and great people!

[SapphireSister]

I hope everyone has an awesome 4th of July weekend if you're here in the U.S.!
xoxo

[LikeAWillow]

It's my last day in Ireland. Back home tomorrow morning. Been a fun and busy two weeks. Beautiful country and great people!

My friend just got back from a month in Ireland :) Where were you staying? Was it your first time there? Pictures! Details! :laugh:

Lilith Fair this weekend in San Francisco, and I might go get another tattoo tonight. We'll see what happens.

[Amlyn]

My friend just got back from a month in Ireland :) Where were you staying? Was it your first time there? Pictures! Details! :laugh:

Lilith Fair this weekend in San Francisco, and I might go get another tattoo tonight. We'll see what happens.

This was my first time to Ireland, actually first trip to Europe. This place is really beautiful and at first i didn't think we'd have enough to do for 2 weeks and i'm ready to stay another 2 weeks.

I came with family and we rented a house in County Clare, which is on the west coast of Ireland. This house was steps, and i mean steps away from the water just south of the Cliffs of Moher. We took many day trips to different parts of the western half of Ireland and I went with some people to Dublin for 2 days. It was weird knowing i drove across an entire country in 4 hours!

Anyway, love, love the scenery. I think what struck me most was just how many cow and sheep meadows there are. Seriously, there is one about 20 ft from my bedroom window. I've seen enough sheep and cows to last me awhile!

I have many wonderful pictures. Took something close to 1500 pics, but i am too lazy to upload now. ALthough that could change once i start packing.

Highly recommend this place to anyone, especially if it's your first trip overseas. I even drove! Although that took some getting used to. I'm afraid when i go to get in the car when i get home tomorrow, i'll keep going to the right side and try to drive on the left.

Where did your friend stay? Are you enjoying your time in SF? THat's probably one of my 3 favorite places in all of the US. I could and would move there in a heartbeat.

[LikeAWillow]

This was my first time to Ireland, actually first trip to Europe. This place is really beautiful and at first i didn't think we'd have enough to do for 2 weeks and i'm ready to stay another 2 weeks.

I came with family and we rented a house in County Clare, which is on the west coast of Ireland. This house was steps, and i mean steps away from the water just south of the Cliffs of Moher. We took many day trips to different parts of the western half of Ireland and I went with some people to Dublin for 2 days. It was weird knowing i drove across an entire country in 4 hours!

Anyway, love, love the scenery. I think what struck me most was just how many cow and sheep meadows there are. Seriously, there is one about 20 ft from my bedroom window. I've seen enough sheep and cows to last me awhile!

I have many wonderful pictures. Took something close to 1500 pics, but i am too lazy to upload now. ALthough that could change once i start packing.

Highly recommend this place to anyone, especially if it's your first trip overseas. I even drove! Although that took some getting used to. I'm afraid when i go to get in the car when i get home tomorrow, i'll keep going to the right side and try to drive on the left.

Where did your friend stay? Are you enjoying your time in SF? THat's probably one of my 3 favorite places in all of the US. I could and would move there in a heartbeat.


Your trip sounds amazing. I really can't wait to see the pictures. I'm going to be in Dublin for a semester next year, and I'm basically counting down the hours already. I can't believe you drove, though; I won't even drive in California because I think the west coast is too different than the east :laugh:

I'm absolutely in love with San Francisco. It's definitely in my top three favorite places, too. I love how diverse the entire Bay Area is. You can go to Union Square and have the big city feel. You can go to Berkeley and get the do-it-yourself hippy feel. You can live in my hood in Oakland and get the these-might-be-my-last-hours-to-live feel. SO MANY OPTIONS :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Cool! Did he do it justice?

Yeah, and the funny thing was, as soon as he started playing The Chain, EVERYONE started cheering!

[vivfox]

You can go to Berkeley and get the do-it-yourself hippy feel. You can live in my hood in Oakland and get the these-might-be-my-last-hours-to-live feel. SO MANY OPTIONS :laugh:


LOL Marissa. I love Berkeley too. My nephew from Hayward got robbed in Oakland recently and twice in the same day.

[jaycee]

It's my last day in Ireland. Back home tomorrow morning. Been a fun and busy two weeks. Beautiful country and great people!

Would it inspire you to create something like this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalon_%28album%29? (I remember reading somewhere that Ireland was Bryan Ferry's inspiration for the album, but I'm not sure where... :shrug:)

[LikeAWillow]

LOL Marissa. I love Berkeley too. My nephew from Hayward got robbed in Oakland recently and twice in the same day.

Your nephew's in Hayward? That's so exciting. I'm actually there fairly often for work. It's sad that I'm not too surprised he was robbed twice. Oakland's a strange place--it can be terrifying, or it can be oddly heartwarming.

The other day, for example, I was wakling down the stairs at an Oakland BART station... this guy who was pretty obviously a gang member (I'm not just being a jerk, the area I was in is notorious) was walking beside me. Somehow we started racing like two little kids to see who could make it down these steps first. I won because I jumped and skipped the last three. We were laughing at each other and his parting words were, and I quote, "You're fine, but you're real, too." Thank you, sir. Please protect me when this city blows up in riots next week.

[Amlyn]

Your trip sounds amazing. I really can't wait to see the pictures. I'm going to be in Dublin for a semester next year, and I'm basically counting down the hours already. I can't believe you drove, though; I won't even drive in California because I think the west coast is too different than the east :laugh:

I'm absolutely in love with San Francisco. It's definitely in my top three favorite places, too. I love how diverse the entire Bay Area is. You can go to Union Square and have the big city feel. You can go to Berkeley and get the do-it-yourself hippy feel. You can live in my hood in Oakland and get the these-might-be-my-last-hours-to-live feel. SO MANY OPTIONS :laugh:

Where in Dublin? Are you going to Trinity? Walked around that campus and that was beautiful. Dublin was a lot of fun. I only slept 1.5 hours, but part of that had to do with the location of my hotel room just above a late night bar as they call it. It was the night Germany beat England and people were partying in the streets till literally 5am. Are you doing a spring or fall semester? They get a LOT of sun in the spring/summer. It's about 11pm here now and still not completely dark out.

Oh and SF. I can go on and on. I stayed with a friend in San Jose back in 2001, then last year in Walnut Creek and I also stayed in Palo Alto for a few days and just did all sorts of stuff. You have to drive up the coast just north of the Golden Gate up to Stinson Beach if you haven't already done so. It was probably some of the craziest driving, but so exhillirating. And then I drove down the coast from Half Moon Bay down to Santa Cruz and onward to Monterey. My favorite aquarium in the US is there. Have you been up to Calistoga yet? I went with my friend to a hot springs and that was cool. Ugh..you make me want to go back. Although i was in LA earlier this year. I think i really need to give up being a jersey girl and become a california girl.

[vivfox]

I just went to prepare my 4th of July fruit salad and realized I forgot to buy the watermelon! Off to the store I go...

[Amlyn]

Would it inspire you to create something like this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalon_%28album%29? (I remember reading somewhere that Ireland was Bryan Ferry's inspiration for the album, but I'm not sure where... :shrug:)

Thanks. I'll check that out!

[SapphireSister]

I just went to prepare my 4th of July fruit salad and realized I forgot to buy the watermelon! Off to the store I go...
I got your mellons right here Viv! :wavey:

[RickRobert]

I'm going to be in Dublin for a semester next year, and I'm basically counting down the hours already.

Ahh lucky! Dublin is my favourite place in the whole world :woohoo:

[Zombie]

JTIS that Colbie Caillat was a special guest on a recent episode of Next Food Network Star, and she's wearing a Stevie moon necklace. Aww! Look for the "Grammys" episode on reruns and you will see her. She's cute.

[DefDumbandBlond]

Woohoo doing some shopping tomorrow (because I need more clothes :rolleyes: ha! ) My closet is going to explode if I keep it up. :lol:

[nailatixela]

I just got back from Princeton record exchange. I love that place! I was really happy with their selection of mac stuff! I walked out with 3 records. Kiln House, Future Games (Yellow COVER!!! :woohoo: ) and BUCKINGHAM NICKS! I was so excited to find it! It's the gatefold that opens up. :) That place has so many treasures. They also had a brand new GOS on vinyl... I didn't even realize that existed! I had spent enough money for the day though.

[iamnotafraid]

Happy 4th of July everyone. Have a great weekend.

Last night things were right. Dale Jr. and his number 3 car won!!!!!

I hope for more of the same tonight for Jr's 88.

[ButterCookie]

I friggen hate Twi****e.

[carrie721]

I friggen hate Twi****e.

i learned last night that the vampires in those books/movies can go out in the sun, but when they do, they sparkle. THEY SPARKLE! good god.

[ButterCookie]

i learned last night that the vampires in those books/movies can go out in the sun, but when they do, they sparkle. THEY SPARKLE! good god.

It's horrific isn't it. Sparkling my foot. They should be withering and hissing before turning into bats :mad:

[carrie721]

It's horrific isn't it. Sparkling my foot. They should be withering and hissing before turning into bats :mad:

just like the author.

[LikeAWillow]

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/4/21/128848304205009345.jpg

[ButterCookie]

just like the author.

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/4/21/128848304205009345.jpg

Had I been drinking I'd have spat. Instead I choked on pasta :lol::lol:

[carrie721]

4 stupid books! 1 ... 2 ... 3 ... 4 ... 4! AH AH AH AH.

[CreepingDeath]

just like the author.

:lol:

If the kiddies want to read about vampires, make it be Anne Rice. I did when I was a kid and look how normal I turned out. :cool:

[LikeAWillow]

Guys. Breaking news. My ex-boyfriend's other ex-girlfriend's best friend is dating Paris Hilton's ex-boyfriend. That makes me famous, amirite? :rolleyes:

[LukeA]

Guys. Breaking news. My ex-boyfriend's other ex-girlfriend's best friend is dating Paris Hilton's ex-boyfriend. That makes me famous, amirite? :rolleyes:

Sadly, I think most of us are six degrees (or less) from Paris Hilton *shudder*

[carrie721]

Sadly, I think most of us are six degrees (or less) from Paris Hilton *shudder*

hell, even if you just catch crabs from a city bus, you're only one degree from her.

[LikeAWillow]

Sadly, I think most of us are six degrees (or less) from Paris Hilton *shudder*

Don't.explain.the.joke. :mad:

[LukeA]

Don't.explain.the.joke. :mad:

Geez, its the Color Quiz (http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpost.php?p=894787&postcount=9) all over again! Did someone have an unhappy Fourth? :laugh:

[LikeAWillow]

Geez, its the Color Quiz (http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpost.php?p=894787&postcount=9) all over again! Did someone have an unhappy Fourth? :laugh:

You're such a jerk :laugh: No, actually, I had a really good holiday.

[MissLadyLoki]

Yesterday was awul, and let me tell you why.

There was this guy, Chris, who was in my math class and I was becoming friendly with. When i met him one day during summer session to give him something, I mentioned about us going to the movies yesterday and he said yes. Over the next week, we basically planned out what'd go down and it'd be where he picked me up.

Come yesterday, he told he'd be out of work at 3, but come 4 (the movie was at 4:20), he called to tell me that he gotten out of "work" (he said he worked as some sort of nurse, but the background noise on the phone sounded more like a party) and that he was cancelling cause he was gonna meet someone at 6.

All I can say is can you say "stupid, lying dirtbag"?

[vivfox]

Yesterday was awul, and let me tell you why.

There was this guy, Chris, who was in my math class and I was becoming friendly with. When i met him one day during summer session to give him something, I mentioned about us going to the movies yesterday and he said yes. Over the next week, we basically planned out what'd go down and it'd be where he picked me up.

Come yesterday, he told he'd be out of work at 3, but come 4 (the movie was at 4:20), he called to tell me that he gotten out of "work" (he said he worked as some sort of nurse, but the background noise on the phone sounded more like a party) and that he was cancelling cause he was gonna meet someone at 6.

All I can say is can you say "stupid, lying dirtbag"?


A lot of people are shallow like this. They make plans with one person, but when another calls them with a more fun idea the first one gets dropped and usually blown off. At least the jerk called you. Not that that would make you feel better. I'm available. Come pick me up and I'll go to the movies with you.

[vivfox]

Last night I drove upon a Sobriety check point set up by the Police. I was the second car in line. I was at a complete stop. I picked up my cell phone to make a quick call and one of the cops was staring at me as if I had just done something really stupid. He walks over to my car and says to me, "were you just talking on your cell phone?' I said yes and he said,"don't you know it's illegal to use a cellphone while you are operating a motor vehicle in Connecticut?" I said I did not know that. Like, duh, if I had known I wouldn't be doing it in plain sight.

I got a ticket for One Hundred freakin' dollars!!!

Don't you know who I am? I'm Vivica freakin' Fox!!!

[goldustsongbird]

^ That's what I should have said to Cyndi Lauper when I met her on Saturday.

You know, when I leaned in to give her a hug. :blob1:

[nailatixela]

I'm actually surprised that you don't know the cellphone laws...CT is the state you live in, correct?

[MissLadyLoki]

In New York, I know you definitely can't talk on a cell phone while driving, but texting should be a definite here. One time, I saw a person using both hands to text while they used their knees to steer. I kid you not.

[HomerMcvie]

One time, I saw a person using both hands to text while they used their knees to steer.

I thought everyone used this move...? How else can I text on a qwerty, unless I drive with my knees?

[vivfox]

I'm actually surprised that you don't know the cellphone laws...CT is the state you live in, correct?


No, I don't. I was just visiting.

[nailatixela]

No, I don't. I was just visiting.

Ah, that's understandable then. Get yourself out of a ticket next time! :p

[Zombie]

i learned last night that the vampires in those books/movies can go out in the sun, but when they do, they sparkle. THEY SPARKLE! good god.

<font style="background-image: url(http://www.addglitter.com/link-sparkle.gif);" SIZE="10">SPARKLEPIRES!</font>

[gypsy4life]

^ That's what I should have said to Cyndi Lauper when I met her on Saturday.

You know, when I leaned in to give her a hug. :blob1:

Dayum!! Lucky girl!!

[LikeAWillow]

^ That's what I should have said to Cyndi Lauper when I met her on Saturday.

You know, when I leaned in to give her a hug. :blob1:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this your first time meeting her? Did someone get a picture? What did you say to her? Details, woman! I know you've got to be freaking out to the level I would if I met Stevie.

***

I'm feeling too lazy to quote everyone so I'm doing stars.

***

Cassie- What a douche. I'm sorry. I would have gone to the movies with you, too.

***

Viv- That really, really, really sucks. You weren't moving! The guy could have cut you a break.

***

Me- Marissa feels like **** right now.

[daniellaaarisen]

I'm not dead, I promise. JTIS.

[ButterCookie]

I learned to play the bass solo from The Chain today. I had previously never picked a bass guitar up in my life. JTIS

[goldustsongbird]

Dayum!! Lucky girl!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this your first time meeting her? Did someone get a picture? What did you say to her? Details, woman! I know you've got to be freaking out to the level I would if I met Stevie.


First time. Store employee got a picture; she was doing an album signing in Toronto before playing at Pride later that night. She showed up late, but I was one of the first ten people in line.

Conversation went like this:
C: Hi, sweetheaaaawt!
Me: Hey, Cyn! Um.

She started signing the cd, so I asked for a hug. My only chance, right? And she's still fresh, so I knew she wouldn't throw me out. :laugh: She finished signing and held out her arms. If you had seen her expression, you would have whacked her. She was so cute. I gave her a hug and took that opportunity to thank her for everything her music has done for me. All the same, Rhiannon, but it obviously never stops being meaningful to hear that from people. She wasn't able to personalize everyone's album, but before I left she went, "Whats ya name?" and added it to her signature. :D

Got my camera back from the store guy. Almost whacked him for taking such a ****ty picture. :laugh: I'm sure others got pictures; I met a couple of people in line, so they might have something.

Honestly, no freak out. I think if I had never seen her before, I would have been like, fhdsjhffffffffffff. She's a master at making people feel comfortable, so I wasn't nervous or flustered at all. It was more like meeting with an old friend.

[vivfox]

Hohan was just sentenced by a Judge to serve 90 days in jail for probation violation.
I hope she has to serve the entire sentence and not be let out early like Paris was.

On a lighter note, the fruit salad I am eating for dinner is delicious!

[DefDumbandBlond]

Great news. I can't stand her!

[Zombie]

Honestly, no freak out. I think if I had never seen her before, I would have been like, fhdsjhffffffffffff. She's a master at making people feel comfortable, so I wasn't nervous or flustered at all. It was more like meeting with an old friend.

That is so cool. I think Cyndi's both completly adorable and completely awesome, and I can totally believe meeting her would be like meeting an old friend - she seems REALLY down to Earth. Which seems totally at odds with her flat-out weirdness, but somehow just isn't. 'Cos it's Cyndi. And she's so damn CUTE. Argh!

And here is a video of one of my favorite examples of Cyndi being so GODDAMN CUTE IT HURTS, just because:

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[iamnotafraid]

Is there anybody out there?

[iamnotafraid]

Do you guys think the Ronco Rhinestone And Stud Setter will ever
make a comeback?

[MissLadyLoki]

That is so cool. I think Cyndi's both completly adorable and completely awesome, and I can totally believe meeting her would be like meeting an old friend - she seems REALLY down to Earth. Which seems totally at odds with her flat-out weirdness, but somehow just isn't. 'Cos it's Cyndi. And she's so damn CUTE. Argh!

And here is a video of one of my favorite examples of Cyndi being so GODDAMN CUTE IT HURTS, just because:

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That's an unusual version of She Bop, but what a strong Queens accent she has. I swear, she sounds like someon from my mom's side of the family lol.

[goldustsongbird]

That is so cool. I think Cyndi's both completly adorable and completely awesome, and I can totally believe meeting her would be like meeting an old friend - she seems REALLY down to Earth. Which seems totally at odds with her flat-out weirdness, but somehow just isn't. 'Cos it's Cyndi. And she's so damn CUTE. Argh!

And here is a video of one of my favorite examples of Cyndi being so GODDAMN CUTE IT HURTS, just because:


She was precious. Very sincere. It made me think of what people have said about Stevie. Even though she's Stevie freakin' flighty Nicks, she comes down to earth when it comes to meeting fans.

:lol: "She's a real marketing genius!" I think I would have fallen out the window if she had hopped onto my train randomly.

[Zombie]

That's an unusual version of She Bop, but what a strong Queens accent she has. I swear, she sounds like someon from my mom's side of the family lol.

Haha, yeah. I don't like the acoustic version as much as the regular one, but it's still cool to hear. And her accent makes me smile. Can't imagine her talking any other way.

She was precious. Very sincere. It made me think of what people have said about Stevie. Even though she's Stevie freakin' flighty Nicks, she comes down to earth when it comes to meeting fans.

:lol: "She's a real marketing genius!" I think I would have fallen out the window if she had hopped onto my train randomly.

I'd probably fall out the window, too. How cool would that be? I've met a few of my favorite musicians and they've invariably been really cool so far, which is nice. It'd be awful if you got the chance to say hi to someone you really admire and they were jerkfaces. It's odd, though - even though I've never met Stevie or Lindsey, Lindsey somehow seems more approachable than Stevie does, even though I kind of think of Lindsey as the "grumpy" one.

I never watched Celebrity Apprentice until Cyndi was on it. Watching her fly around and be crazy was a total blast. :laugh:

[SapphireSister]

I once heard She-Bop was about masturbation. JTIS.

[carrie721]

^ it's no secret. :laugh: the lyrics are pretty blatant.

[SapphireSister]

^ it's no secret. :laugh: the lyrics are pretty blatant.
Ha! And I thought I was being so original with that interpretation, shucks. :distress: Good to see you ;).

[SapphireSister]

We just had an earthquake in So California. 5.9 so it was pretty big. I hope no one is hurt. JTIS.

[MissLadyLoki]

Yesterday, here in NY it was 103, which was hotter than Florida. That was not a typo.

[Zombie]

^ it's no secret. :laugh: the lyrics are pretty blatant.

Cyndi is a masturbation advocate:

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SCANDALOUS! SCANDALOUS!

[goldustsongbird]

There's the perfect song to open Stevie's new album.

[iamnotafraid]

Cyndi is SCANDALOUS! SCANDALOUS!

I had that concert on laser disc.

[Zombie]

I had that concert on laser disc.

That's badass. It's a great show. I like how they do Iko Iko in it. :nod:

[Macfanforever]

Last night I drove upon a Sobriety check point set up by the Police. I was the second car in line. I was at a complete stop. I picked up my cell phone to make a quick call and one of the cops was staring at me as if I had just done something really stupid. He walks over to my car and says to me, "were you just talking on your cell phone?' I said yes and he said,"don't you know it's illegal to use a cellphone while you are operating a motor vehicle in Connecticut?" I said I did not know that. Like, duh, if I had known I wouldn't be doing it in plain sight.

I got a ticket for One Hundred freakin' dollars!!!

Don't you know who I am? I'm Vivica freakin' Fox!!!

Yes They bust balls here in CT,Years back I got pinched by a local cop without my seatbelt on ,at that time the fine was $35.00.

[bucklind17]

I would like to see such an awesome rainbow someday.

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[iamnotafraid]

in CT,Years back I got pinched by a local cop without my seatbelt on ,at that time the fine was $35.00.

Don't feel too bad. I got pulled over one time because a COP
thought I was laughing at him (or them). What a goof.

[vivfox]

Rather than pay that ticket, I sent in the slip requesting a court date. I'm gonna fight it.:thumbsup:

[FMlex]

My give a damn's busted when it comes to Lohan and Lebron. Just sayin'.

[goldustsongbird]

Rather than pay that ticket, I sent in the slip requesting a court date. I'm gonna fight it.:thumbsup:

Is it really worth it?

[jannieC]

Rather than pay that ticket, I sent in the slip requesting a court date. I'm gonna fight it.:thumbsup:

That sig picture is awful.

[Zombie]

JTIS that I have been in my new house for like 2 weeks now, and the stove/oven is broken, and my landlord is a doucherocket of epic proportions who keeps dicking around about fixing it, and that is really annoying.

But it has forced me to come up with creative ways to make food that doesn't suck with naught but my microwave, various Hello Kitty small appliances, George Foreman grill, and groovy giant Crock Pot.

Making pasta in the microwave is not ideal, but will do. But I did manage to modify my usual homemade Bolognese enough to approximate an actually decent microwave version! That was cool. I am not going to try to make any of my other usual pasta sauces in the microwave, though, because the ingredients are spendy and if I muck it up in the nuker, I will be out money and also grumpy.

But the major revelation? NOW I CAN MAKE AN OMELETTE! I love cooking, and I am a pretty advanced chef (yeah, that's right, betch, you just watch me thicken a cream sauce with a beurre manié without it tasting floury - go on, watch me!), but I cannot for the life of my consistently make an omelette that doesn't fall apart. Sure, I can do it every once in a while, and then I don't want to eat it because it's folded so nicely and it's not ripped up with all the good stuff oozing out of the middle, but I can't do it every time. More like...1 in 5.

But it turns out if you use a glass pie plate in the microwave on half-power, you make a perfect little egg circle that folds over with no problem. SCORE!

Yeah, I'm easily pleased. :shocked:

Next time on Zombie Improvises the **** Out of Stuff, individual quiche au fromage in the Hello Kitty waffle iron! Can she do it? Only time will tell. Oh, the suspense!

[vivfox]

Zombie, I love you.

[vivfox]

Just stumbled across this hilarious craigslist ad. Woman seeking man:

Looking for my personal manslave. - 87

Vivacious woman seeks much younger male to make her wildest fantasies a reality. I want to spend my last years golden.

STDs don't bother me. I'm on my way out anyway. Must have stamina. You don't have to worry about biting with this mouth.

[Zombie]

Zombie, I love you.

Aww, I love you, too, fella (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkIS3G64ug0).

Just stumbled across this hilarious craigslist ad. Woman seeking man:

Looking for my personal manslave. - 87

Vivacious woman seeks much younger male to make her wildest fantasies a reality. I want to spend my last years golden.

STDs don't bother me. I'm on my way out anyway. Must have stamina. You don't have to worry about biting with this mouth.

CraigsList is amazing. I read the personal ads on there all the time, some of them are just flat-out hilarious (unintentionally).

[Enchanted_Stevi]

JTIS that I am back for the weekend...I'm like never online anymore cuz I'm always with my girlfriend. She is gone for the weekend w/ her parents and sister to The Cape...against her will lol Her mom is like MAKING her go. Stupid. So I am bff/gf less for the weekend =(

[SapphireSister]

...I'm like never online anymore cuz I'm always with my girlfriend.(
That's a good thing. Wish I could say the same!

[Enchanted_Stevi]

That's a good thing. Wish I could say the same!

Yea it is, but I feel so lost when I come back and dont know what to reply on LOL

[Zombie]

I was just reminded of this and watched it again, so I thought I would share. This bit is one of the funniest things I have EVER seen in my life. Enjoy!

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OH GOD, HAHA. *wheeze*

[carrie721]

^ that will never not be funny.

[Enchanted_Stevi]

This is my new ****in haircut!
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[Enchanted_Stevi]

For all your GAGA fans. My friend Alex made a pretty amazing Alejandro music video
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[LukeA]

http://media.cleveland.com/cavs_impact/photo/heat-trio-mhjpg-3b5cd884733a4f6c_large.jpg

The Three DB-igos!

[tilthefirefades]

I was just reminded of this and watched it again, so I thought I would share. This bit is one of the funniest things I have EVER seen in my life. Enjoy!

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OH GOD, HAHA. *wheeze*

That is hands down, the funniest thing I have seen in years :lol:

[jannieC]

I was driving by myself today when Edge of 17 came on. Like a good little chiffon head, I cranked it up as though I don't have forty different versions of it on CD's already. I truly do love that song- it reminds me of being young!

Just thought I'd share! :)

[michelle2677]

I was driving by myself today when Edge of 17 came on. Like a good little chiffon head, I cranked it up as though I don't have forty different versions of it on CD's already. I truly do love that song- it reminds me of being young!

Just thought I'd share! :)



i do that too!!

it always sounds so much better on the radio, doesn't it? :]

[jannieC]

i do that too!!

it always sounds so much better on the radio, doesn't it? :]

When I hear it on the radio, it's unexpected- and it makes me think other people love her too. :o Michelle, I would LOVE to go to a Stevie show with you and Maria- we would have so much fun. :nod:

[MissLadyLoki]

Been feeling depressed and just plain useless lately. No one wants me for a job, and now I won't be able to get a real job when I graduate. :(

[michelle2677]

When I hear it on the radio, it's unexpected- and it makes me think other people love her too. :o Michelle, I would LOVE to go to a Stevie show with you and Maria- we would have so much fun. :nod:
i know! or when the DJ gives some tidbits of information about her! haha!

i agree! we don't even have to have a stevie concert to get together. i'm down with getting together, playing stevie music (bring your tambo) and dancing around like fools!

[jannieC]

i know! or when the DJ gives some tidbits of information about her! haha!

i agree! we don't even have to have a stevie concert to get together. i'm down with getting together, playing stevie music (bring your tambo) and dancing around like fools!
I can usually get the family condo in Myrtle Beach after September. You guys should think of coming down for a long week-end. Maria has stayed at there before- it's huge.
Been feeling depressed and just plain useless lately. No one wants me for a job, and now I won't be able to get a real job when I graduate. :(
What do you do- what type of work are you looking for? It's so hard to find work now- too much competition.

[Erin]

Vacationing in the San Francisco area, and went to the Record Plant in Sausalito. I liked how there were cobwebs everywhere! It's a shame no one's using it anymore. I know it's much cheaper these days with computer technology, but it's just not the same.

[LukeA]

Been feeling depressed and just plain useless lately. No one wants me for a job, and now I won't be able to get a real job when I graduate. :(

Welcome to the reality of 15%+ of our nation.

[MissLadyLoki]

Welcome to the reality of 15%+ of our nation.

It's even worse here on LI, be thankful you left (and what a coincidence: I just applied to a temp agency in one of those office parks in Holbrook). I bet I'll get something come the fall, when everyone else leaves to go back to school.

[Sleepless-Child]

Been feeling depressed and just plain useless lately. No one wants me for a job, and now I won't be able to get a real job when I graduate. :(

I haven't experienced this kind of problems yet, but i seriously hope you'll find a job soon. There's nothing worst than feeling useless, I believe. This global unemployment is starting to scare me : what am I going to do when i'm done with school? It's getting worse and worse...
Anyway, you are at least not useless here at all :)

[MissLadyLoki]

I haven't experienced this kind of problems yet, but i seriously hope you'll find a job soon. There's nothing worst than feeling useless, I believe. This global unemployment is starting to scare me : what am I going to do when i'm done with school? It's getting worse and worse...
Anyway, you are at least not useless here at all :)

Am I? People do tell me I'm fun around here, but I guess I'm not.

[Sleepless-Child]

Am I? People do tell me I'm fun around here, but I guess I'm not.

What? Are you crazy?! Don't be that depressed please :(. You're fun, and you found your place really quickly on The Ledge, and that means that people like you, me included :). We love you !

[MissLadyLoki]

What? Are you crazy?! Don't be that depressed please :(. You're fun, and you found your place really quickly on The Ledge, and that means that people like you, me included :). We love you !

Thank you! To quote Sally Field: "You like me! You really like me!"

[Sleepless-Child]

Thank you! To quote Sally Field: "You like me! You really like me!"

I don't what the f*** you're talking about :laugh:

[ButterCookie]

I dreamed that I met Lindsey last night after a Blondie concert and he used my blackberry to text Christine happy birthday. My brain works in mysterious ways.