Fleetwood mac WILL record new album says stevie

[AncientQueen]

So the bashing starts slow this time:
From the New York times:
Eight solo albums later, Ms. Nicks, 68, is preparing to go on the road in support of her most recent releases, “In Your Dreams,” from 2011, and the 2014 album “24 Karat Gold: Songs From the Vault,” a collection of tracks written mainly between 1969 and 1987. A 28-city tour with the Pretenders as special guests begins on Oct. 25 in Phoenix. “I just woke up one morning and said I have two years off before Fleetwood Mac comes knocking on my door [for another tour],” she said. “Why would I want to sit around and do nothing?”


What’s the difference between touring behind your solo work and touring with Fleetwood Mac?

Fleetwood Mac is a team, and when you’re on a team everybody has the same vote — except in this particular team Lindsey has a little bit of a stronger vote than anybody else. I love being part of a team. We argue all the time, but we always have. In my band, there is no arguing. I am the boss. My solo career is probably the reason Fleetwood Mac is still together in 2016, because I was always happy to leave Fleetwood Mac, and I was always happy to come back, too.

You have said you thought Lindsey would like “24 Karat Gold” because so many of the songs are about him. What was his reaction?

Well, I don’t know. I don’t even know if he ever listened to the record and, honestly, I don’t care. I gave up caring about how everybody else in Fleetwood Mac feels about my solo work a long time ago. It’s not their thing. If my feelings were ever hurt, it was after “Bella Donna,” when I didn’t feel that anybody even listened to it. That was in 1981.
She makes it seem like FM did not even approach her for a new album with them and of course Lindsey is the bad boy again while noone in the band cares for her. Sigh - that old stuff again?

[FuzzyPlum]

'My solo career is probably the reason Fleetwood Mac is still together in 2016'
Apologies in advance to anyone who may be autistic and takes this the wrong way... but is Stevie mildly autistic?

[Jondalar]

So the bashing starts slow this time:
From the New York times:

She makes it seem like FM did not even approach her for a new album with them and of course Lindsey is the bad boy again.

I guess I see your point to a degree. Fleetwood Mac came knocking with a vengeance and she said not now.

[Jondalar]

'My solo career is probably the reason Fleetwood Mac is still together in 2016'
Apologies in advance to anyone who may be autistic and takes this the wrong way... but is Stevie mildly autistic?

The Dance saved Stevie's solo career, so that is wrong.

[Danielle]

The Dance saved Stevie's solo career, so that is wrong.

I think she meant having her solo career as an outlet is what has made her stay with the band all these years, she can turn to her solo career to feel reinvigorated enough to go back to FM.
Also, something tells me Stevie is well aware The Dance was the pivotal moment in her/their careers.

[FuzzyPlum]

I think she meant having her solo career as an outlet is what has made her stay with the band all these years, she can turn to her solo career to feel reinvigorated enough to go back to FM.
Also, something tells me Stevie is well aware The Dance was the pivotal moment in her/their careers.

Sorry I for one really don't think that's what she meant at all.

[SisterNightroad]

I agree with Danielle, Stevie said that FM is still together because thanks to her having a solo career because she "was always happy to leave Fleetwood Mac, and was always happy to come back, too." that's pretty clear.

[bombaysaffires]

Not quite. In the NY Times Article Stevie says she isn't going back to FM for 2 years, and then specifically states it'll be for a tour. In other words, she confirmed the Mac album Lindsey, Chris, Mick, and John started is dead, and there are no plans to resurrect it.

sure seems like, doesn't it??

And note the dig at Lindsey having a bigger vote than others..... well this is her way of saying, oh yea? You might have more sway in the band these days but I can still wield my power by just not participating at all. Then see how much your slight bigger vote is worth.

The usual bulls&t

[SteveMacD]

And how did CM thank LB & SN for returning to FM after being away for years and making FM popular again??? Answer she quit!
Except that she had already quit touring after the 1990 tour and made it clear with "All Over Again" on "Time" in 1995 that she was done with Fleetwood Mac altogether. "The Dance" was always going to be her swansong with Fleetwood Mac. And then she retired from the music industry, her one-off solo album notwithstanding, after giving the band her blessing to continue on without her. She didn't leave them hanging. She wasn't ambiguous about her intentions. Just because they thought she'd come around after a few years off and that didn't happen can't be blamed on Christine.

[SisterNightroad]

I think everyone is making much noise about nothing, probably Stevie as always is just tossing around dates casually like she always does when she's talking about her solo career and Fleetwood Mac: "two/three years this, and then two/three years that" but the reality is that she doesn't really know.
Didn't Lindsey just said at the end of the last tour that Stevie seems to just like those numbers?

[jbrownsjr]

Seems to me there is subtext about working with Lindsey and FM. For her to say that she's done caring about what Lindsey and others think of her material uncovers what she's still feeling. When someone says they don't care what someone thinks, it usually means they care.

A lot of it has to do with her insecurity in the FMac creative process in which I think she still feels left out. Then after SYW, where you thought.. "hey a new B/N album. They can create an album with just the two of them!" Didn't quite turn out to be the love fest we thought it would... And watching the Destiny Rules, you can tell she has her own agenda. She'll make money writing about him, but she won't work with him.

She still has the right to do what she wants. I personally think she is surrounded by her staff and doesn't have any real friends. All business and no soul... Make your money, Stevie.. deep down inside you know you want to record that last album w/ FMac. Ah, the Rumours...

[jbrownsjr]

And just so you all know... I'm the reason Fleetwood Mac is still together. My presence on the ledge allows them to thrive. :laugh:

[jwd]

To an extent I'm disheartened that Stevie has taken this moment in time to pursue her solo career, especially when FM seemed so ready to record a new album and then tour behind it. I'll always be a FM fan first and foremost and was so ready for some new songs from them(the FIVE of them). So in the meantime, I'm just going to absorb this little burst of solo energy from Stevie, and the others if that's the case, and try to enjoy it. Maaaaaybe nobody will show up to see her on this tour and it'll be Stevie calling Mick up on New Year's Eve this time! :) Rock on and peace.

[SteveMacD]

Stevie isn't disrespecting Christine any more than Christine was disrespecting Stevie when she decided to take leave of the band for all of those years.
She didn't take a leave, she retired from the band (and music industry) and gave them her blessing to continue without her. Christine didn't hold the band up, she got out of their way.

Christine disappeared into the English countryside and did what SHE wanted to do.
Again, she had retired, was very clear on her intentions, and encouraged the band to continue without her. She didn't hold them up or stifle them from pursuing creative endeavors ad a band.

Stevie has a right to do what she wants, plain and simple.
Nobody's debating that. However, she has an obligation to be upfront with the band about how involved she'll be with Fleetwood Mac going forward.

Christine made it plain that she is not a great friend to Stevie. Didn't she say in some interview that she didn't even talk to her during that time away? Yeah, some GREAT friend she was.........but that probably will be blamed on Stevie as well. I mean, she's the epitome of evil, right? :shrug:
Huh? I don't think Christine kept in touch with anyone but Mick and, to a much lesser extent John. Christine was mostly a recluse and Stevie was always busy. I don't think that they had any ill will towards each other, but I also don't think they were ever best friends.

Mick's doing the same thing and everyone isn't baby crying over that!
Only because Fleetwood Mac isn't doing anything right now . . .

[shackin'up]

And how did CM thank LB & SN for returning to FM after being away for years and making FM popular again??? Answer she quit!
If you're fed up you quit. That's a harsh but honest decision.

It's her turn now, instead of letting them 'hang' with an almost finished album.

[SteveMacD]

If you're fed up you quit. That's a harsh but honest decision.

It's her turn now, instead of letting them 'hang' with an almost finished album.
Really, they should grow a pair and tell her that there will be a new Fleetwood Mac album with or without her and that she needs to give them new songs by a certain date if she wants to be included on the album. I wouldn't tie her membership in the band to her involvement on the album, but I would firmly let her know that the band will go on one way or another.

[aleuzzi]

Really, they should grow a pair and tell her that there will be a new Fleetwood Mac album with or without her and that she needs to give them new songs by a certain date if she wants to be included on the album. I wouldn't tie her membership in the band to her involvement on the album, but I would firmly let her know that the band will go on one way or another.

Absolutely. Agree 100%. I think the band, however, are scared to death of carrying on without her and what Mick once called "her impressive constituency." They're scared of not filling arenas, scared of scaling down their millions in earnings, too. They have, in a word, sold their souls to keep themselves in the public eye--and that means sacrificing artistic integrity as well as their original, longstanding commitment to being an ever-changing entity that moves with the times.

[Jondalar]

I think people were hoping that Stevie would succumb to peer pressure, but bullying didn't work. You lost.

[aleuzzi]

I think people were hoping that Stevie would succumb to peer pressure, but bullying didn't work. You lost.

Not quite. I think many of us were hoping the band would simply carry on without her should she refuse to make new music with them. We're frustrated because the band doesn't want to take that step. Personally, I could care less if she shows up on a new FM record. I want to hear the new Christine material and am beyond annoyed that the rest of the band are shelving it because they're too afraid to work without her.

This doesn't mean I don't love Stevie. But she's clearly not interested in making new music with them and only wants to do her own thing (which, btw, I have supported by buying all through the years).

Did the band bully her? I have no idea. From the outside looking in, it appears they were trying to build momentum for new music and were pissed (or at least Mick and Lindsey were pissed) that her celebrity trumped their efforts (the Rolling Stone cover, etc.).

[BlueDenimLamp]

Absolutely. Agree 100%. I think the band, however, are scared to death of carrying on without her and what Mick once called "her impressive constituency." They're scared of not filling arenas, scared of scaling down their millions in earnings, too. They have, in a word, sold their souls to keep themselves in the public eye--and that means sacrificing artistic integrity as well as their original, longstanding commitment to being an ever-changing entity that moves with the times.

Not quite. I think many of us were hoping the band would simply carry on without her should she refuse to make new music with them. We're frustrated because the band doesn't want to take that step. Personally, I could care less if she shows up on a new FM record. I want to hear the new Christine material and am beyond annoyed that the rest of the band are shelving it because they're too afraid to work without her.

This doesn't mean I don't love Stevie. But she's clearly not interested in making new music with them and only wants to do her own thing (which, btw, I have supported by buying all through the years).

Did the band bully her? I have no idea. From the outside looking in, it appears they were trying to build momentum for new music and were pissed (or at least Mick and Lindsey were pissed) that her celebrity trumped their efforts (the Rolling Stone cover, etc.).

BRAVO!!! It's about time someone admits that FM only keeps Stevie around because of the extra profits she brings in for the band...

There's no way Mick is letting Stevie go anywhere...She's his meal ticket...

[Jondalar]

Not quite. I think many of us were hoping the band would simply carry on without her should she refuse to make new music with them. We're frustrated because the band doesn't want to take that step. Personally, I could care less if she shows up on a new FM record. I want to hear the new Christine material and am beyond annoyed that the rest of the band are shelving it because they're too afraid to work without her.

This doesn't mean I don't love Stevie. But she's clearly not interested in making new music with them and only wants to do her own thing (which, btw, I have supported by buying all through the years).

Did the band bully her? I have no idea. From the outside looking in, it appears they were trying to build momentum for new music and were pissed (or at least Mick and Lindsey were pissed) that her celebrity trumped their efforts (the Rolling Stone cover, etc.).

Mick wasn't very supportive of her supporting In Your Dreams either. She is probably sick of it.

[BlueDenimLamp]

Mick wasn't very supportive of her supporting In Your Dreams either. She is probably sick of it.

He was fine with "IYD" when he was getting paid for studio work...

[aleuzzi]

Mick wasn't very supportive of her supporting In Your Dreams either. She is probably sick of it.

Sure. But then she shouldn't condescendingly refer to the members of FM as her "team." Mick, et al have advocated for new music since before Christine's return. Part of being a team is making new music, not just cashing in on a 45 year old story: in that interview, she talks more about "Landslide" and her posterity through that song than anything else, a song she once said "was about Katrina" and, now that that story is over, a song that could be about Hillary's potentially historic win. The other members of FM are eager to tell new stories and write new songs, but they refuse to move on without her. Hence fan frustration.

[SteveMacD]

I think the band, however, are scared to death of carrying on without her and what Mick once called "her impressive constituency." They're scared of not filling arenas, scared of scaling down their millions in earnings, too.
I think Stevie's perceived importance to Fleetwood Mac today is a little overblown. Her last three solo albums combined only sold a little more than what SYW sold. She was in such high demand as a solo artist a few years ago that she had to open for Rod Stewart. The 2014-15 Fleetwood Mac tour was much more successful than the 2013 tour, only one thing changed, and it wasn't Stevie's involvement. Yes, Fleetwood Mac won't sell out large arenas without Stevie, but neither will she without them. Christine and Lindsey have enough hits and standards between them to put on a viable set without Stevie. They're absolutely in a great position to force the issue.

[jbrownsjr]

I think Stevie's perceived importance to Fleetwood Mac today is a little overblown. Her last three solo albums combined only sold a little more than what SYW sold. She was in such high demand as a solo artist a few years ago that she had to open for Rod Stewart. The 2014-15 Fleetwood Mac tour was much more successful than the 2013 tour, only one thing changed, and it wasn't Stevie's involvement. Yes, Fleetwood Mac won't sell out large arenas without Stevie, but neither will she without them. Christine and Lindsey have enough hits and standards between them to put on a viable set without Stevie. They're absolutely in a great position to force the issue.

I believe she will always try and rub her solo career in Lindsey's face. And somewhat Mick's.

[AlexD]

Pretty ridiculous that Lindsey gave up TWO solo projects for the good of Fleetwood Mac and now that they are old and Johns time could be limited, Stevie is not willing to do the same for the band.

[aleuzzi]

I think Stevie's perceived importance to Fleetwood Mac today is a little overblown. Her last three solo albums combined only sold a little more than what SYW sold. She was in such high demand as a solo artist a few years ago that she had to open for Rod Stewart. The 2014-15 Fleetwood Mac tour was much more successful than the 2013 tour, only one thing changed, and it wasn't Stevie's involvement. Yes, Fleetwood Mac won't sell out large arenas without Stevie, but neither will she without them. Christine and Lindsey have enough hits and standards between them to put on a viable set without Stevie. They're absolutely in a great position to force the issue.

Again, I agree. 100%. But the band doesn't see it this way. Mick wants all five of them as a group so that the collective lineup can rake in cash, cash, cash. They toured without Christine because she didn't give them a choice. But Stevie's still lured to big money and touring is, as usual, Mick's first priority.

I would LOVE to see a FM show with Lindsey and Christine fronting the band.

[SteveMacD]

I believe she will always try and rub her solo career in Lindsey's face. And somewhat Mick's.
That's exactly why they need to make a go without Stevie. I think so long as Christine and Lindsey are there people will show up. I also think it will be a bigger draw than a solo Stevie. I'd love to see them do the "I Won't Be Waiting Around For You" tour.

[jbrownsjr]

That's exactly why they need to make a go without Stevie. I think so long as Christine and Lindsey are there people will show up. I also think it will be a bigger draw than a solo Stevie. I'd love to see them do the "I Won't Be Waiting Around For You" tour.

Musically it would be better, too. These two can write and jam. Their chemistry is very strong. Stevie is very nasal for my taste.

[WatchChain]

While I am not happy with Stevie's stalling, diva behavior, a Mac album and tour WITHOUT her is simply NOT AN OPTION. The idea is ludicrous.

That being said, it's now clear what will happen. Stevie will go on the road for a short tour this fall to promote a 2 year old solo album (she's been dying to get onstage and sing the tracks from 24KG, ok Stevie go for it!). In early 2017, she will be free to record with MAC. If Mac were smart, they would be in the studio right now recording the record. Then, in early spring, just have Stevie record her 3 songs and lay down background vocals on the completed CM/LB tracks. This whole process could be done with Stevie in the studio for 4-6 weeks. The Fleetwood Mac album could be out by summer 2017 with a fall tour to follow.

[SteveMacD]

While I am not happy with Stevie's stalling, diva behavior, a Mac album and tour WITHOUT her is simply NOT AN OPTION. The idea is ludicrous
Really? Any more ridiculous than the band going on without Christine? Any more ridiculous than when they stood up to Peter Green, who had nearly all of Fleetwood Mac's hits at the time, and went on without him?

The fact is Christine had the lion's share of hits with Fleetwood Mac, and she and Lindsey could do a convincing set without Stevie.

The Chain
You Make Loving Fun
Second Hand News
Everywhere
I'm So Afraid
Say You Love Me
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Think About Me
Eyes Of The World
Hold Me
Trouble
Isn't It Midnight
Big Love
Go Insane
Never Going Back Again
Get Like You Used To Be
Over My Head
World Turning
Little Lies
Tusk
Got A Hold On Me
Go Your Own Way
-
Blue Letter
Don't Stop
-
Songbird

[AlexD]

Really? Any more ridiculous than the band going on without Christine? Any more ridiculous than when they stood up to Peter Green, who had nearly all of Fleetwood Mac's hits at the time, and went on without him?

The fact is Christine had the lion's share of hits with Fleetwood Mac, and she and Lindsey could do a convincing set without Stevie.

The Chain
You Make Loving Fun
Second Hand News
Everywhere
I'm So Afraid
Say You Love Me
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Think About Me
Eyes Of The World
Hold Me
Trouble
Isn't It Midnight
Big Love
Go Insane
Never Going Back Again
Get Like You Used To Be
Over My Head
World Turning
Little Lies
Tusk
Got A Hold On Me
Go Your Own Way
-
Blue Letter
Don't Stop
-
Songbird

Also, we wouldn't have to hear any stories about top hats or gold shawls

[louielouie2000]

While I am not happy with Stevie's stalling, diva behavior, a Mac album and tour WITHOUT her is simply NOT AN OPTION. The idea is ludicrous.

That being said, it's now clear what will happen. Stevie will go on the road for a short tour this fall to promote a 2 year old solo album (she's been dying to get onstage and sing the tracks from 24KG, ok Stevie go for it!). In early 2017, she will be free to record with MAC. If Mac were smart, they would be in the studio right now recording the record. Then, in early spring, just have Stevie record her 3 songs and lay down background vocals on the completed CM/LB tracks. This whole process could be done with Stevie in the studio for 4-6 weeks. The Fleetwood Mac album could be out by summer 2017 with a fall tour to follow.

I've lost my sense of optimism for a new Mac album. I think the band has permanently shifted into being an oldies act, now. If the band was ever poised to make a creative statement, it was upon Christine's return. Stevie is now talking about the band touring in 2 years; half a decade after Christine rejoined the Mac. Stevie refuses to even mention a new album to the press. It's not going to happen, sadly.

[aleuzzi]

While I am not happy with Stevie's stalling, diva behavior, a Mac album and tour WITHOUT her is simply NOT AN OPTION. The idea is ludicrous.

That being said, it's now clear what will happen. Stevie will go on the road for a short tour this fall to promote a 2 year old solo album (she's been dying to get onstage and sing the tracks from 24KG, ok Stevie go for it!). In early 2017, she will be free to record with MAC. If Mac were smart, they would be in the studio right now recording the record. Then, in early spring, just have Stevie record her 3 songs and lay down background vocals on the completed CM/LB tracks. This whole process could be done with Stevie in the studio for 4-6 weeks. The Fleetwood Mac album could be out by summer 2017 with a fall tour to follow.

I like your optimism. I once shared it. I don't have hope anymore. If anything does happen, I'll be shocked. And glad to be proven wrong.

[BombaySapphire3]

I've lost my sense of optimism for a new Mac album. I think the band has permanently shifted into being an oldies act, now. If the band was ever poised to make a creative statement, it was upon Christine's return. Stevie is now talking about the band touring in 2 years; half a decade after Christine rejoined the Mac. Stevie refuses to even mention a new album to the press. It's not going to happen, sadly.

This is most certainly the case although I have know for quite awhile that the Fleetwood Mac album is shelved for good.I will probably go see Stevie on her tour for the 24KG songs that have never been performed live .I'm done with seeing the Mac oldies show though.Like you I have not seen them since the SYW tour.

[bombaysaffires]

While I am not happy with Stevie's stalling, diva behavior, a Mac album and tour WITHOUT her is simply NOT AN OPTION. The idea is ludicrous.

That being said, it's now clear what will happen. Stevie will go on the road for a short tour this fall to promote a 2 year old solo album (she's been dying to get onstage and sing the tracks from 24KG, ok Stevie go for it!). In early 2017, she will be free to record with MAC. If Mac were smart, they would be in the studio right now recording the record. Then, in early spring, just have Stevie record her 3 songs and lay down background vocals on the completed CM/LB tracks. This whole process could be done with Stevie in the studio for 4-6 weeks. The Fleetwood Mac album could be out by summer 2017 with a fall tour to follow.

Nope. Not gonna happen and we have it from the diva herself....her next commitment with FM is two years from now and a tour. She's got the time off she whined about all the while on this last tour-- I have no time for life, I haven't even put furniture in my Malibu trailer etc etc etc. All bs. She was planning this tour (tours like this don't come together overnight) and negotiating contracts with opening acts (finally working out with the Pretenders) and booking the halls and contracts with the ticket companies etc. This all takes time and energy. She went into this pretty soon after the tour and now she's in rehearsals with her solo touring band. Then on the road. So she really has spent most of 2016 on her solo stuff (and will go til Dec).

By her reckoning she still has all of 2017 and maybe some or all of 2018 before anything with the Mac. :mad:

[BombaySapphire3]

By her reckoning she still has all of 2017 and maybe some or all of 2018 before anything with the Mac. :mad:

If this timeline is accurate then Fleetwood Mac itself could be over at this point even as a cash grabbing oldies act.By that time one or more of the members could be physically unable to perform on a long tour and that is if they are all still even with us .Very strange .

[bombaysaffires]

If this timeline is accurate then Fleetwood Mac itself could be over at this point even as a cash grabbing oldies act.By that time one or more of the members could be physically unable to perform on a long tour and that is if they are all still even with us .Very strange .

Yes. She's really in denial about how quickly time is passing and how soon band members could (god forbid) be passing

[secondhandchain]

So her excuse that she wanted time off is BS. The could be recording right now. NEVER seeing them again. I am done. Really don't like her anymore...AT ALL.

[BombaySapphire3]

Yes. She's really in denial about how quickly time is passing and how soon band members could (god forbid) be passing

Stevie believes that she will live into the triple digits.I guess she feels that she can go on as a big solo act even if some of the others pass hence the booking of the Forum and Madison Square Garden etc.

[Mr Scarrott]

From Billboard

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7502871/stevie-nicks-24-karat-gold-tour-interview-fleetwood-mac

Nicks, of course, has a second career with the band Fleetwood Mac, which completed its triumphant On With the Show Tour in November 2015. The global run saw the classic Rumours-era lineup of the band -- with a returning Christine McVie -- play 120 shows on three continents. Now that the tour has concluded, might there be a new studio album from the famous quintet?

“You know what, I never know what's going to happen,” Nicks says. “It's like, I didn't -- in my wildest dreams -- ever know that I was going to do the 24 Karat Gold record. And I certainly didn't ever, after 16 years, think that Christine McVie was going to call up and say, 'How would you feel if I came back to the band?' You know, it's like, are you serious? Is this a joke?"

With McVie back in the Fleetwood fold, fans are also holding out hope for a new album from the group. “I learned a long time ago to never say never. Right now, because of the fact that we know that people don't buy records… it's like, hard to sell records. So then you think, 'Well, why do you do records?' Well, the reason you do records is because it's like we're like kids again, and we can do anything we want. We have enough money. We don't really have to work if we don't want to. So we can do records for the reason that we actually did them in the very beginning -- just 'cause it's fun.

"Is it possible that Fleetwood Mac might do another record? I can never tell you yes or no, because I don't know. I honestly don't know. … It's like, do you want to take a chance of going in and setting up in a room for like a year [to record an album] and having a bunch of arguing people? And then not wanting to go on tour because you just spent a year arguing? Or do you just go on tour because you know that you have fun up there and you love doing shows? And Christine's only been back for [laughs] a year and a half.

“So you start to weigh your… 'Why would you do this, why would you do that?' And I honestly don't know. But I never say never… that really is in God's hands.”

[MikeVielhaber]

From Billboard

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7502871/stevie-nicks-24-karat-gold-tour-interview-fleetwood-mac

Nicks, of course, has a second career with the band Fleetwood Mac, which completed its triumphant On With the Show Tour in November 2015. The global run saw the classic Rumours-era lineup of the band -- with a returning Christine McVie -- play 120 shows on three continents. Now that the tour has concluded, might there be a new studio album from the famous quintet?

“You know what, I never know what's going to happen,” Nicks says. “It's like, I didn't -- in my wildest dreams -- ever know that I was going to do the 24 Karat Gold record. And I certainly didn't ever, after 16 years, think that Christine McVie was going to call up and say, 'How would you feel if I came back to the band?' You know, it's like, are you serious? Is this a joke?"

With McVie back in the Fleetwood fold, fans are also holding out hope for a new album from the group. “I learned a long time ago to never say never. Right now, because of the fact that we know that people don't buy records… it's like, hard to sell records. So then you think, 'Well, why do you do records?' Well, the reason you do records is because it's like we're like kids again, and we can do anything we want. We have enough money. We don't really have to work if we don't want to. So we can do records for the reason that we actually did them in the very beginning -- just 'cause it's fun.

"Is it possible that Fleetwood Mac might do another record? I can never tell you yes or no, because I don't know. I honestly don't know. … It's like, do you want to take a chance of going in and setting up in a room for like a year [to record an album] and having a bunch of arguing people? And then not wanting to go on tour because you just spent a year arguing? Or do you just go on tour because you know that you have fun up there and you love doing shows? And Christine's only been back for [laughs] a year and a half.

“So you start to weigh your… 'Why would you do this, why would you do that?' And I honestly don't know. But I never say never… that really is in God's hands.”

I don't think an in depth discussion has even taken place because it wouldn't take a year to make this album that is already mostly done. She's thinks they would start from scratch apparently.

[Mr Scarrott]

Stevie's sense of time is certainly very odd. Christine re-joined in January 2014, over two-and-a-half years ago. And Mike, you're right, how long would it really take to record four or five of her songs and do a little overdubbing on Christine and Lindsey's tracks? It could be done and dusted in six weeks (I've obviously drifted off into the realms of fantasy, Ledgies, bear with me... )

But we'll just have to wait and see, I guess. I still think that we will see another Mac album. I've not been a great fan of some of the near-hysterics that have been generated on this thread. Through all of this the only thing that has worried me has been the physical capacity of one or other member of the band to record and it's not great to speculate about matters of health.

I kind of understand after two long Mac tours that Stevie would need a bit of space. So it's just up to that master of all us, Anno Domini to sort everything out and not deal some nasty blows. I count my blessings- I became a fan just before the worst period in the band's history (1988-1996) and I had long given up on the idea of seeing Christine play live with the others. To experience that was truly, truly special.

So take a few deep breaths and grant ourselves the serenity to accept the things we cannot change.

[aleuzzi]

So take a few deep breaths and grant ourselves the serenity to accept the things we cannot change.

The fact that the possibility of a new record has come so close, that it was possible, that "dozens of songs" are already recorded, makes the band's decision to shelve new material more galling and intolerable than if no one had started yet.

I'm not yet ready to pray for serenity. I feel rage and want to feel it. I've supported this band for decades and simply cannot accept that they won't release new music they already have worked on. We die-hards were taunted with the news of it two years ago and waited patiently. No longer. I don't care if it comes as a Mac album. I just want it.

[aleuzzi]

From Billboard

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7502871/stevie-nicks-24-karat-gold-tour-interview-fleetwood-mac

Nicks, of course, has a second career with the band Fleetwood Mac, which completed its triumphant On With the Show Tour in November 2015. The global run saw the classic Rumours-era lineup of the band -- with a returning Christine McVie -- play 120 shows on three continents. Now that the tour has concluded, might there be a new studio album from the famous quintet?

“You know what, I never know what's going to happen,” Nicks says. “It's like, I didn't -- in my wildest dreams -- ever know that I was going to do the 24 Karat Gold record. And I certainly didn't ever, after 16 years, think that Christine McVie was going to call up and say, 'How would you feel if I came back to the band?' You know, it's like, are you serious? Is this a joke?"

With McVie back in the Fleetwood fold, fans are also holding out hope for a new album from the group. “I learned a long time ago to never say never. Right now, because of the fact that we know that people don't buy records… it's like, hard to sell records. So then you think, 'Well, why do you do records?' Well, the reason you do records is because it's like we're like kids again, and we can do anything we want. We have enough money. We don't really have to work if we don't want to. So we can do records for the reason that we actually did them in the very beginning -- just 'cause it's fun.

"Is it possible that Fleetwood Mac might do another record? I can never tell you yes or no, because I don't know. I honestly don't know. … It's like, do you want to take a chance of going in and setting up in a room for like a year [to record an album] and having a bunch of arguing people? And then not wanting to go on tour because you just spent a year arguing? Or do you just go on tour because you know that you have fun up there and you love doing shows? And Christine's only been back for [laughs] a year and a half.

“So you start to weigh your… 'Why would you do this, why would you do that?' And I honestly don't know. But I never say never… that really is in God's hands.”


What an incoherent mess of an explanation! She's delusional! Christine's only been back a year and a half so we should let a year go by wasted and then watch another oldies tour? People don't buy records anymore? Well, they at least buy digitally, and Mac music on iTunes would sell pretty well. It sounds like she's making her aversion for working with the band in a studio the main narrative for ALL of them, but she's NOT speaking for anyone but herself. And then to cite God?!

[Macfanforever]

I was thinking earlier today when Stevie hits the road with the 24k tour.Everyone's brother and sister,mother,father and the news media will be on her case about the FM album.Maybe more will come out of her about the FM album when this happens .It must be tiring for her hearing about it every day for the last 2 years.

[shackin'up]

Wining about the missed opportunity to play with Prince on stage. And not have the mental capacity of seeing that she is missing out a fullband album when one of her bandmates becomes ill, as she speaks. What a narcism. Blergh.

[elle]

Wining about the missed opportunity to play with Prince on stage. And not have the mental capacity of seeing that she is missing out a fullband album when one of her bandmates becomes ill, as she speaks. What a narcism. Blergh.

she obviously has a chip on her shoulder about not being the boss in FM like she is solo (she goes on about FM being a team, Lindsey a bit more influential in that team than others, and she's not the boss there).

she clearly doesn't want to record with FM, period. whether because she's not the boss there or she cannot write any good music anymore or some combination of both... so she's making up different incoherent reasons why FM should not release new album.

bottom line: she does not want to record with FM. nothing they offer her will change that - her hand-picked producers, no need for studio time together, recording fast, nothing. she wants to be the boss and not equal player in the team. and FM is a team.

[bombaysaffires]

she obviously has a chip on her shoulder about not being the boss in FM like she is solo (she goes on about FM being a team, Lindsey a bit more influential in that team than others, and she's not the boss there).

she clearly doesn't want to record with FM, period. whether because she's not the boss there or she cannot write any good music anymore or some combination of both... so she's making up different incoherent reasons why FM should not release new album.

bottom line: she does not want to record with FM. nothing they offer her will change that - her hand-picked producers, no need for studio time together, recording fast, nothing. she wants to be the boss and not equal player in the team. and FM is a team.

sadly, I have to agree with you.

[BombaySapphire3]

Stevie is not going to record a new album with Fleetwood Mac ..she is just giving vague and inconsistent info to the media about the subject so she does not have to admit that she is the one that put the kibosh on it.Fleetwood Mac exists now as a mercenary touring unit and that may soon come to an end when one or more of them can no longer slog it out for the moolah.

[jwd]

Stevie's sense of time is certainly very odd. Christine re-joined in January 2014, over two-and-a-half years ago. And Mike, you're right, how long would it really take to record four or five of her songs and do a little overdubbing on Christine and Lindsey's tracks? It could be done and dusted in six weeks (I've obviously drifted off into the realms of fantasy, Ledgies, bear with me... )

But we'll just have to wait and see, I guess. I still think that we will see another Mac album. I've not been a great fan of some of the near-hysterics that have been generated on this thread. Through all of this the only thing that has worried me has been the physical capacity of one or other member of the band to record and it's not great to speculate about matters of health.

I kind of understand after two long Mac tours that Stevie would need a bit of space. So it's just up to that master of all us, Anno Domini to sort everything out and not deal some nasty blows. I count my blessings- I became a fan just before the worst period in the band's history (1988-1996) and I had long given up on the idea of seeing Christine play live with the others. To experience that was truly, truly special.

So take a few deep breaths and grant ourselves the serenity to accept the things we cannot change.


Yes indeed, we need to count our blessings. Totally agree. I get a little tired of the me mentality.

[Jondalar]

She never enjoyed the tour. Recording would be more unenjoyable. She wants to have fun.

[bwboy]

she obviously has a chip on her shoulder about not being the boss in FM like she is solo (she goes on about FM being a team, Lindsey a bit more influential in that team than others, and she's not the boss there).

bottom line: she does not want to record with FM. nothing they offer her will change that - her hand-picked producers, no need for studio time together, recording fast, nothing. she wants to be the boss and not equal player in the team. and FM is a team.

Maybe she's tired of Lindsey recording in his bathroom? Maybe she's tired of only being given 3 slots while Lindsey hogs the album with his solo stuff?

I just think it's funny that you say she's not a team player when we know about all the accommodations the band had to make to keep Lindsey happy after Rumours. Stevie had 3 songs each on FM and Rumours, but she sang lead on only 2 each. In Tusk, she had 5, Christine had 6, and Lindsey had 9. Then on Mirage, she went down to 3 vs Lindsey's 5, and on Tango she again had 3 vs Lindsey's 5.

On Behind the Mask, Stevie had 3 solo songs, a duet on 1, and appeared prominently on other songs, especially In the Back of My Mind. So yeah, it's obvious she doesn't like to work with Lindsey, but no one thinks he should do anything differently.

Maybe if Stevie wanted to record certain instruments herself in her bathroom without the other band members present, or wanted the produce Lindsey's songs herself, I'd agree she's not much of a team player. Oh wait, that's Lindsey.

[Andy Man]

With all this discussion on a new Fleetwood Mac album, I'm starting to wonder if new music is really worth it if Stevie is so reluctant to join the band in the studio. All three of the 1970s albums were of such high quality in part because there was such energy and enthusiasm within the band for what they were doing. Albums made solely for contract requirements, or made with less than adequate artistic motivation from band members, are never that good. I can think of some pretty stale and unexciting rock albums that turn out to be the result of underwhelmed or reluctant artists (i.e R.E.M.'s "Around The Sun", The Rolling Stones' "Dirty Work"). If all Stevie does is show up and record some harmony and leads on her tracks, without being involved with anything else, I'd almost rather not have a new album with her; this strategy is what has always tainted "Tango In The Night" for me, knowing that 1/5 of the band is "there" on record but really was not "there" during creation.

I'm a massive fan of all 5 members, including Stevie. There is no doubt that her involvement is crucial for any new album to reach the highest sales possible; a new FM album without her would certainly be disappointing for most of us, and would probably lead many non-hardcore fans to not bother listening. However, if Christine and Lindsey really think that their new material is worth public hearing, I do hope that they release it in some way or another; their musical chemistry has always produced stellar results. I would actually have a great deal of respect if Lindsey/Christine/John/Mick released something along the lines of a digital release (in lossless format, of course) and did some sort of promotion. Then, the band could still continue as a 5 piece touring group playing "the hits", and we, the appreciative fans, would have fantastic new music from four excellent musicians.

[Macfanforever]

With all the speculations on whats going on with this album.Maybe its ALL in the can as they say including her stuff or she did some of it.She now wants to put 24k in the bag and move on to FM next year.I rather see her on a TV interview then with print interviews.I dont trust the print media with their trademark of twisting stories with all the rubbish added to it.They are FOS.....

[michelej1]

Maybe she's tired of Lindsey recording in his bathroom? Maybe she's tired of only being given 3 slots while Lindsey hogs the album with his solo stuff?



When is the last time Lindsey hogged an album? That sure wasn't the case with SYW, which they painstakingly split down the middle. If Stevie wasn't as present on Tango, it was because of her own personal problems. He didn't hog Mirage either. He hogged a record more than 35 years ago.

Michele

[BlueDenimLamp]

Maybe she's tired of Lindsey recording in his bathroom? Maybe she's tired of only being given 3 slots while Lindsey hogs the album with his solo stuff?

[B]I just think it's funny that you say she's not a team player when we know about all the accommodations the band had to make to KEEP LINDSEY HAPPY after Rumours. Stevie had 3 songs each on FM and Rumours, but she sang lead on only 2 each. In Tusk, she had 5, Christine had 6, and Lindsey had 9. Then on Mirage, she went down to 3 vs Lindsey's 5, and on Tango she again had 3 vs Lindsey's 5.

On Behind the Mask, Stevie had 3 solo songs, a duet on 1, and appeared prominently on other songs, especially In the Back of My Mind. So yeah, it's obvious she doesn't like to work with Lindsey, but no one thinks he should do anything differently.

Maybe if Stevie wanted to record certain instruments herself in her bathroom without the other band members present, or wanted the produce Lindsey's songs herself, I'd agree she's not much of a team player. Oh wait, that's Lindsey.

With all this discussion on a new Fleetwood Mac album, I'm starting to wonder if new music is really worth it if Stevie is so reluctant to join the band in the studio. All three of the 1970s albums were of such high quality in part because there was such energy and enthusiasm within the band for what they were doing. Albums made solely for contract requirements, or made with less than adequate artistic motivation from band members, are never that good. I can think of some pretty stale and unexciting rock albums that turn out to be the result of underwhelmed or reluctant artists (i.e R.E.M.'s "Around The Sun", The Rolling Stones' "Dirty Work"). If all Stevie does is show up and record some harmony and leads on her tracks, without being involved with anything else, I'd almost rather not have a new album with her; this strategy is what has always tainted "Tango In The Night" for me, knowing that 1/5 of the band is "there" on record but really was not "there" during creation.

I'm a massive fan of all 5 members, including Stevie. There is no doubt that her involvement is crucial for any new album to reach the highest sales possible; a new FM album without her would certainly be disappointing for most of us, and would probably lead many non-hardcore fans to not bother listening. However, if Christine and Lindsey really think that their new material is worth public hearing, I do hope that they release it in some way or another; their musical chemistry has always produced stellar results. I would actually have a great deal of respect if Lindsey/Christine/John/Mick released something along the lines of a digital release (in lossless format, of course) and did some sort of promotion. Then, the band could still continue as a 5 piece touring group playing "the hits", and we, the appreciative fans, would have fantastic new music from four excellent musicians.

If Lindsey would let Stevie steer the ship on her songs a Large portion of the problems could possibly be solved...But I imagine hell will freeze over before Lindsey lets Stevie take the credit for her songs being good...

[AlexD]

I'm beginning to think the music won't come out before I die. (I'm 19)

[BombaySapphire3]

When is the last time Lindsey hogged an album? That sure wasn't the case with SYW, which they painstakingly split down the middle. If Stevie wasn't as present on Tango, it was because of her own personal problems. He didn't hog Mirage either. He hogged a record more than 35 years ago.

Michele

Even then he really didn't hog it .If you add up the times of Stevie's 5 Tusk songs and his 9 it is about equal.

[michelej1]

If Lindsey would let Stevie steer the ship on her songs a Large portion of the problems could possibly be solved...But I imagine hell will freeze over before Lindsey lets Stevie take the credit for her songs being good...

Lindsey might think it was an even trade off, if it meant he stopped getting blamed for his songs being bad.

I bet he would be thrilled if she used another producer and all the reviews pointed out her songs stunk and his and Christine's songs got more critical recognition. That would be a triumph for him.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

Lindsey might think it was an even trade off, if it meant he stopped getting blamed for his songs being bad.

I bet he would be thrilled if she used another producer and all the reviews pointed out her songs stunk and his and Christine's songs got more critical recognition. That would be a triumph for him.

Michele

And that's usually the case.

[jwd]

Lindsey might think it was an even trade off, if it meant he stopped getting blamed for his songs being bad.

I bet he would be thrilled if she used another producer and all the reviews pointed out her songs stunk and his and Christine's songs got more critical recognition. That would be a triumph for him.

Michele


I don't think Lindsey would be that shallow. In any case, Stevie has used multiple producers outside FM on her solo work, with the results being both bad and good. Lindsey is a very capable musician and producer, but not necessarily the linchpin that makes Stevie's songs "work".

[BlueDenimLamp]

Lindsey might think it was an even trade off, if it meant he stopped getting blamed for his songs being bad. Michele

If his songs are bad then he should be blamed...

I bet he would be thrilled if she used another producer and all the reviews pointed out her songs stunk and his and Christine's songs got more critical recognition. That would be a triumph for him.

Michele
And he would have the agony of defeat if Stevie's songs were spectacular...Oh the humiliation LB would suffer having to admit that Stevie was just as good at creating her FM songs as he was and his only contribution was "a few guitar parts"...

[BlueDenimLamp]

I don't think Lindsey would be that shallow. In any case, Stevie has used multiple producers outside FM on her solo work, with the results being both bad and good. Lindsey is a very capable musician and producer, but not necessarily the linchpin that makes Stevie's songs "work".

The problem is that LB seems unwilling to give up creative control/direction on Stevie's songs( He won't let her wear the "Creator Hat")...I would like to hear what Stevie can do within the frame work of FM...After all these years Stevie has earned the right to do HER SONGS HER WAY without LB trying to hog the creative process...

[jwd]

The problem is that LB seems unwilling to give up creative control/direction on Stevie's songs( He won't let her wear the "Creator Hat")...I would like to hear what Stevie can do within the frame work of FM...After all these years Stevie has earned the right to do HER SONGS HER WAY without LB trying to hog the creative process...

Lindsey has more of a structured and rigid way when he gets in the studio. A very serious approach. Almost meticulous to a fault. Stevie goes in with a "let's make this a party and have fun" approach. That's the real burn with these two.

[elle]

The problem is that LB seems unwilling to give up creative control/direction on Stevie's songs( He won't let her wear the "Creator Hat")...I would like to hear what Stevie can do within the frame work of FM...After all these years Stevie has earned the right to do HER SONGS HER WAY without LB trying to hog the creative process...

it's a nice excuse that is being trotting out over and over by SN fans, living in the past, but it's been a moot point for decades now.

Stevie is pretty clear she does not want to play in the team of equals, and she will find any reason or person to blame for her unwillingness.

both Lindsey and the rest of the band have said for the last decade that they are very ready to appease her demands in order to make that FM album, bring a producer she wants or whatever. and she keeps coming up with different reasons why there shouldn't be an album.

fans however want a single producer, coherent sound etc etc. it's obvious that even if the album with Stevie included happens, there will be no even, coherent production.

[editme2]

The problem is that LB seems unwilling to give up creative control/direction on Stevie's songs( He won't let her wear the "Creator Hat")...I would like to hear what Stevie can do within the frame work of FM...After all these years Stevie has earned the right to do HER SONGS HER WAY without LB trying to hog the creative process...


If you'd like to get a sense of what can happen when Lindsey doesn't produce Stevie's FM songs, take a listen to Behind the Mask. Some of her worst songs appear on that album. The production is muddy, vocals are lazy, performance is lethargic.

Within the context of FM, I think Lindsey has done an amazing job bringing Stevie's demos to life. Has he been successful 100 percent of the time, absolutely not ("Smile at You," "Running Through the Garden" lost their original shine under his direction, in my opinion). But he's hit a home run more often than not. It's just too bad that they can't find a way to put their big egos aside and focus on making great music TOGETHER.

[bombaysaffires]

Lindsey has more of a structured and rigid way when he gets in the studio. A very serious approach. Almost meticulous to a fault. Stevie goes in with a "let's make this a party and have fun" approach. That's the real burn with these two.

excellent summation.

[jbrownsjr]

excellent summation.

It really was... I mean, she brings a spirit catcher into the room!! That will always crack me up.

[bwboy]

If you'd like to get a sense of what can happen when Lindsey doesn't produce Stevie's FM songs, take a listen to Behind the Mask. Some of her worst songs appear on that album. The production is muddy, vocals are lazy, performance is lethargic.

Within the context of FM, I think Lindsey has done an amazing job bringing Stevie's demos to life. Has he been successful 100 percent of the time, absolutely not ("Smile at You," "Running Through the Garden" lost their original shine under his direction, in my opinion). But he's hit a home run more often than not. It's just too bad that they can't find a way to put their big egos aside and focus on making great music TOGETHER.

I love Behind the Mask and think Stevie sounds great on Love is Dangerous, In the Back of My Mind, Freedom, Affairs of the Heart, and the Second Time. Oh, and No Questions Asked. I've also thought Stop Dragging My Heart, Edge of 17, Stand Back, Talk to Me, Rooms on Fire, the Wild Heart, Leather and Lace, and Whenever I Call You Friend were all pretty good, too. And Planets of the Universe and Secret Love are two of my favorite Stevie songs... songs Lindsey was unable to do anything with, so Stevie kept them and other, equally capable producers were able to craft them.

Too bad Lindsey gets most of the credit for Stevie's songs... guess that means we know who to thank for When I See You Again, then.

[bwboy]

Lindsey has more of a structured and rigid way when he gets in the studio. A very serious approach. Almost meticulous to a fault. Stevie goes in with a "let's make this a party and have fun" approach. That's the real burn with these two.

I know... I don't know why Stevie won't get down on the bathroom floor with Lindsey and bark like a dog for 20 takes while he taps a pencil. I guess his "structured and rigid way" is lost on Stevie, but who knows?

[shackin'up]

I know... I don't know why Stevie won't get down on the bathroom floor with Lindsey and bark like a dog for 20 takes while he taps a pencil. I guess his "structured and rigid way" is lost on Stevie, but who knows?

Unfair. He does not ask that from anybody but himself. And it got us Tusk. How can you use that disrespectful?

[bwboy]

I guess I was being as unfair to Lindsey as other posters have been to Stevie, saying she just likes to party in the recording studio and doesn't take it seriously.

[michelej1]

If his songs are bad then he should be blamed...



I meant to write for HER songs being bad, which he shouldn't get the blame for (but does), if they were garbage to begin with, Silver Girl.

Michele

[michelej1]

And he would have the agony of defeat if Stevie's songs were spectacular...Oh the humiliation LB would suffer having to admit that Stevie was just as good at creating her FM songs as he was and his only contribution was "a few guitar parts"...

Lindsey would never have to admit that, since even Stevie herself, who is far from modest, would never describe his contributions that way.

At any rate, I thought -- I mean, I think I have heard a fan or two of hers mumble something to the effect -- that she HAS had a successful solo career. So, Lindsey has already had about 34 years to contemplate the fact that Stevie can produce successful songs without his involvement. It doesn't seem to have humiliated him much.

Michele

[jwd]

I guess I was being as unfair to Lindsey as other posters have been to Stevie, saying she just likes to party in the recording studio and doesn't take it seriously.

If you're referring to me, I didn't mean to imply that Stevie doesn't take her work seriously. I'm sure she does and goes into the studio wanting to make the most spectacular record she can. It's just that her means to an end is to have fun while she does it. In her days of excess that would have, and did get her into trouble. Now that she's not high or drunk, I suppose her biggest dilemma is how to have fun with Lindsey in the room!

[bombaysaffires]

Lindsey would never have to admit that, since even Stevie herself, who is far from modest, would never describe his contributions that way.

At any rate, I thought -- I mean, I think I have heard a fan or two of hers mumble something to the effect -- that she HAS had a successful solo career. So, Lindsey has already had about 34 years to contemplate the fact that Stevie can produce successful songs without his involvement. It doesn't seem to have humiliated him much.

Michele

Indeed.

Though there is an interview with Mick where he talks about the SnL dynamic and how, when Bella Donna was such a huge success, in Mick's words, (paraphrasing) "I'm sure Lindsey had to have a long hard think about that" .. in other words, it was now hard to deny that she could be successful without him. But as noted, that was in 1981, and he's certainly processed it and moved on for some time now.

[michelej1]

I guess I was being as unfair to Lindsey as other posters have been to Stevie, saying she just likes to party in the recording studio and doesn't take it seriously.

Well, Stevie described it as she thinks Lindsey never wants to have any fun and he thinks all she does is have fun. And she talked about how it was in the beginning when he was trying to show her what a musical bar was and she would say, "oh you mean that bar down the street?"

Michele

[shackin'up]

Now that she's not high or drunk, I suppose her biggest dilemma is how to have fun with Lindsey in the room!

There must be a way of doing that. Has anyone heard Christine complaining about an ayatollah-Lindsey during those months in studio D where they concocted those co-writes we all want to hear for two years now?

[bombaysaffires]

There must be a way of doing that. Has anyone heard Christine complaining about an ayatollah-Lindsey during those months in studio D where they concocted those co-writes we all want to hear for two years now?

no, but she did say in an interview since her return that in years past he was moody and mercurial and could be difficult. clearly he has mellowed since, at least with everyone but Stevie, at least according to Stevie.

[SteveMacD]

Lindsey was so awful to work with that Stevie asked him to do a song on IYD. :rolleyes:

I doubt working with Lindsey has anything to do with Stevie being noncommittal with recording a new album. I think Stevie doesn't see the value in putting any effort into making a new meaningful Fleetwood Mac album because it won't sell. Yeah, her last album didn't sell very well, but it wasn't a serious project and it required minimal effort.

[Tango]

Lindsey was so awful to work with that Stevie asked him to do a song on IYD.

Lindsey also appeared on her solo album, Trouble in Shangri-La on the song "I Miss You." And Stevie appears on Lindsey's Soundstage DVD as a guest.

http://c3.cduniverse.ws/resized/250x500/movie/147/8645147.jpg

[Macfanforever]

Got a point there.If Stevie does not like dealing with Lindsey.She would not invite him for her solo stuff and he would do the same.

[jwd]

There must be a way of doing that. Has anyone heard Christine complaining about an ayatollah-Lindsey during those months in studio D where they concocted those co-writes we all want to hear for two years now?


I'd say a shot of tequila and proceed quickly! :laugh:


Stevie is quoted as saying in a recent Billboard article:

Is it possible that Fleetwood Mac might do another record? I can never tell you yes or no, because I don't know. I honestly don't know. … It's like, do you want to take a chance of going in and setting up in a room for like a year [to record an album] and having a bunch of arguing people? And then not wanting to go on tour because you just spent a year arguing? Or do you just go on tour because you know that you have fun up there and you love doing shows?


I'd say she definitely has some reservations and uncomfortable feelings about a long haul in the recording studio. Not so much a one off song where she's asked Lindsey to figure out a guitar part on a song that was real important to her, much less recorded in her home. And she most certainly doesn't mind performing with Lindsey on stage. She tours with him and the rest of The Mac for years at a time.


As for the album sales excuse I quote Stevie here in another Billboard article:

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/5819914/stevie-nicks-on-in-your-dreams-film-christine-mcvies-fleetwood-mac-return

"Before I started this record, I wasn't gonna make another record. Because I was really so bummed out by people trying to explain to me why the music business wasn't the same (as it used to be)."

Used to be: As in, when album sales were still robust and artists didn't have to worry about their music being freely shared on the Internet.

Stewart convinced Nicks to take a different view on the business. "'It doesn't matter Stevie!'" she says he said to her. "'We're in our 60s. If this whole record goes to hell, it doesn't matter! We're OK! We're financially stable. We'll be just fine. So we can do anything we want. We can try anything we want.'"

The spark that set the entire album in motion was Nicks' viewing of "The Twilight Saga: New Moon." She was so moved by the film, she was inspired to write the song "Moonlight" (which appears on "In Your Dreams").

"I said, 'you know what, now I'm gonna have to do a record,' because I can't just put this little song out without a record to back it up. So even if it doesn't sell any records, I'm ready to make a record now."

And with that, she set out to make "In Your Dreams" into a reality.

[KarmaContestant]

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/stevie-nicks-on-secret-to-fleetwood-macs-longevity-w438642

When I feel ready to go back to Fleetwood Mac when we do our next tour in a year and half, I’ll be ready to go back to Fleetwood Mac, and it’ll be good."

There ya go. There is the new FM album that everyone can't shut up about. No way FM is going to release an album and then tour 18 months later - the album will wait until they are ready to go on the road again.

[louielouie2000]

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/stevie-nicks-on-secret-to-fleetwood-macs-longevity-w438642



There ya go. There is the new FM album that everyone can't shut up about. No way FM is going to release an album and then tour 18 months later - the album will wait until they are ready to go on the road again.

How on earth did you deduce a FM album from her quote about touring with FM in 18 months? :confused: If anything, it seems to once again suggest quite the opposite.

[James89]

You can all think what you want but I'm positive that Stevie will contribute to the new Mac album before the huge tour in 2018 or so.

Album with supporting tour would be perfect.

[DauphineMarie]

I think if anything, Stevie would love to do an album *just for fun* but Lindsey/record companies/rest-of-the-band are making it a huge deal, and I think it frustrates her. I think she would much rather maintain the legacy of huge sales with FM and just tour... I think if the band approached the idea of making a new album with Stevie differently she would be more inclined to participate.

At this point, I think she's realized that it's just important to have fun in life, and not take "it" too seriously ("it" being everything about Fleetwood Mac since Rumours was released)

[AlexD]

You can all think what you want but I'm positive that Stevie will contribute to the new Mac album before the huge tour in 2018 or so.

Album with supporting tour would be perfect.

Did she tell you?

[Macfanforever]

Again I think FM should not let the cat out of the bag years ago talking about this album with all the BS behind it .I rather be surprised as the news breaks about it after its all recorded and they are about to release it.

[KarmaContestant]

How on earth did you deduce a FM album from her quote about touring with FM in 18 months? :confused: If anything, it seems to once again suggest quite the opposite.

It just makes sense, Louie. Why on earth would they put out an album now, or in December, or last year when they were on the road? Chris had just come back - her and Lindsey worked on songs because of the excitement of doing so. They all talked about a new record, but they have no contract. They went on tour for nearly three years straight to build chemistry and get to know each other all over again, to show the industry that there is interest and demand for a whole Fleetwood Mac and, likely, to develop more new material. The tour is over - Christine just said in her new interview that her and Lindsey are working on their material in October (to further develop what they did before the tour), and it's been said several times that they are touring again in 2017. It all seems so obvious that they are, personally, enjoying the nostalgia and building hype for a farewell album. An album that shouldn't be rushed. An album that should be carefully planned and meticulously combed over as Lindsey likes to do.

Yeah - we'd all like them to put out an album every six months.

But I know - it's just easier for people here to be bitter and bitchy about Stevie and blame the destruction of our wildest dreams and hopes ( :rolleyes: ) on her selfishness, and invent conspiracies about how she's jealous of Christine, and to dwell on every little word she utters and try to interpret it as some fantastically wicked dig at Mick, Lindsey or Chris and believe that she secretly hates all the fans, the band, and their legacy.

[secondhandchain]

It just makes sense, Louie. Why on earth would they put out an album now, or in December, or last year when they were on the road? Chris had just come back - her and Lindsey worked on songs because of the excitement of doing so. They all talked about a new record, but they have no contract. They went on tour for nearly three years straight to build chemistry and get to know each other all over again, to show the industry that there is interest and demand for a whole Fleetwood Mac and, likely, to develop more new material. The tour is over - Christine just said in her new interview that her and Lindsey are working on their material in October (to further develop what they did before the tour), and it's been said several times that they are touring again in 2017. It all seems so obvious that they are, personally, enjoying the nostalgia and building hype for a farewell album. An album that shouldn't be rushed. An album that should be carefully planned and meticulously combed over as Lindsey likes to do.

Really? Tell that to Stevie who very recently complained about FM's penchant for putting 5000 overdubs. She hates it. She thinks her songs are perfect the way they are. She doesn't get that what Lindsey does is magic (except say you will) and that noodling is was made the FM sound interesting.

[louielouie2000]

It just makes sense, Louie. Why on earth would they put out an album now, or in December, or last year when they were on the road?

I get all of that, and am in agreement with you on all of it. What I was asking is how you ascertained that a Mac album was forthcoming prior to the next tour from Stevie's comments- she made no allusion to that at all.

[AncientQueen]

I'm just wondering how Stevie thinks this will work. She is not going to record an album with FM, leaving Lindeys and Christines songs in the dust, songs they did record, spend time and energy on, put their hearts into. But she will do a tour with them - expecting harmony, friendship, admiration, worshipping, because she is the main draw to see FM. Add Lindseys temper and Christines ability to have the whole commonwealth come down on you in a one-liner.

BOOM!

And then she will endlessly complain.

[lennonfan]

What Stevie should do IMO is toss them 3 songs to do with what they will, and if she hates the
results she can re-do them for one of her solo albums. Problem solved. Have them send her the completed tracks they've done for her overdubs which she can do at will, trying different takes and again they could use what they want, and she would never have to be in the studio with them at all much less an entire year.

[dreamsunwind]

I'm just wondering how Stevie thinks this will work. She is not going to record an album with FM, leaving Lindeys and Christines songs in the dust, songs they did record, spend time and energy on, put their hearts into. But she will do a tour with them - expecting harmony, friendship, admiration, worshipping, because she is the main draw to see FM. Add Lindseys temper and Christines ability to have the whole commonwealth come down on you in a one-liner.

BOOM!

And then she will endlessly complain.

Good point. I think she was in a worse mood around the last tour because of how long it turned out to be and prevented her from promoting 24 Karat Gold when she wanted. But I can't imagine what kind of atmosphere it'll be like if they go into that 2017 tour with the album never being able to happen since she wouldn't contribute to it. Every single one of them would have a right to be upset with her. That's a recipe for some major tension, especially in a band where tension is like a 6th member.

[dreamsunwind]

I was just digging around through some old threads btw, I'm new here :)

[elle]

if they go into that 2017 tour with the album never being able to happen since she wouldn't contribute to it. Every single one of them would have a right to be upset with her. That's a recipe for some major tension, especially in a band where tension is like a 6th member.

but you know what - it was exactly the same at 2014-15 tour. they recorded a lot of that new FM album and kept trying to talk her into it, and she kept digging in and refusing to even discuss it. so i don't think it would be much different.

reversely, she only benefited from that reunion FM 2014-15 tour and resurgence and she's highly astutely riding that huge FM popularity wave solo now, which she'd never get to do if she toured right after she released her last album.

[dreamsunwind]

but you know what - it was exactly the same at 2014-15 tour. they recorded a lot of that new FM album and kept trying to talk her into it, and she kept digging in and refusing to even discuss it. so i don't think it would be much different.

reversely, she only benefited from that reunion FM 2014-15 tour and resurgence and she's highly astutely riding that huge FM popularity wave solo now, which she'd never get to do if she toured right after she released her last album.

You have a point there. And I feel like that's why she seemed so extra annoyed last tour. I think Lindsey was starting to get impatient with her and it made the situation more irritable. If you look back through old interviews and things from the past 3/4 years, he's been trying to get her back in the studio forever. I think the reason he did the EP at his house and made it all warm and cozy for her was to try and give her some of that Dave Stewart environment she loved so much and he even brought in an outside producer-- and it worked, she was very happy with that then but there's a difference between a few days on a tiny EP where she contributed one ancient song and a full blown album. But you can tell he's been trying to lure her in, it just hasn't been working.

And to be frank, as much as I love her, (and I'll say this is just my opinion) I think Stevie's entire solo success rests on her riding the waves of Fleetwood Mac. Her image and lyrics and everything obviously help her but I truly believe had she burst onto the scene as a solo artist just like that, she wouldn't have succeeded. People would have found her silly. But within Fleetwood Mac, it worked and gave her that gateway to solo popularity. By the late 80s, from everything I've read 'Stevie Nicks' was no longer cool, but Fleetwood Mac still was. And then when her solo career started to really flop, it was The Dance that saved her.

And speaking for my demographic (young 20s), Fleetwood Mac is huge these days. They're probably the most popular of those older bands amongst people my age, arguably the most popular. And I think that growing popularity amongst my demographic has contributed a lot to their growing success and popularity in recent years. But, although Fleetwood Mac is popular amongst young people, 'Stevie Nicks' isn't so much.

Wow this ended up as an essay and I think I got really sidetracked here haha.

[HomerMcvie]

So what are those of us that have been with them for 30 years? Chopped liver?

[dreamsunwind]

^^
Of course not, I just meant in recent years, they've gotten more popular and I think a lot of that has to do with how their fanbase has really expanded with younger people. They've gotten really popular amongst that demographic-- people like Harry Styles from One Direction talks about them a lot, the episode of Glee etc. Granted a lot of those are probably casual fans, but they do still buy tickets.

[Danielle]

But, although Fleetwood Mac is popular amongst young people, 'Stevie Nicks' isn't so much.


Wow, you wouldn't believe how many teenage girls idolize Stevie.

[dreamsunwind]

Wow, you wouldn't believe how many teenage girls idolize Stevie.


Oh no, I know that, I think it came out wrong. I mean SOLO Stevie. Like girls do love Stevie, trust me I know, but they're way more likely to be listening to Dreams than they are Edge of Seventeen or Stand Back if that makes sense. At least the more casual fans, have all heard of Rumours and they also know Landslide and Rhiannon etc but won't be as likely to have Bella Donna on their iPhones, if that makes sense.


**I think though that a lot of that has to do with like, soft rock being really popular these days, 80s pop not as much.

[HomerMcvie]

^^
Of course not, I just meant in recent years, they've gotten more popular and I think a lot of that has to do with how their fanbase has really expanded with younger people. They've gotten really popular amongst that demographic-- people like Harry Styles from One Direction talks about them a lot, the episode of Glee etc. Granted a lot of those are probably casual fans, but they do still buy tickets.

I know it's hard to believe, but once upon a time, in a land far away....they were the biggest band in the world.

They are still amazingly popular for senior citizens, but they'd have a hard time selling a million records now(with Stevie or not).

[dreamsunwind]

I know it's hard to believe, but once upon a time, in a land far away....they were the biggest band in the world.

They are still amazingly popular for senior citizens, but they'd have a hard time selling a million records now(with Stevie or not).

Oh trust me I know all this and I have no doubt you're right. But maybe I'm wrong I don't know, I feel like in the past couple of years, like the late 2000s to now, Fleetwood Mac has gotten more popular than they were around say, 2005. That's how I became a fan myself, I was only mildly familiar with them before, along the same lines as I was familiar with The Eagles, but then around a year or so ago I noticed a lot of my friends were listening to them and some were going to the concerts and everything. I was at a 4th of July party that was all college students and they had a playlist going and it was mostly young acts, but then they had Dreams in there as well as Go Your Own Way. I just think somehow, maybe from the Glee episode a couple years back, maybe because a lot of girls admire Stevie's style, their audience size at concerts has grown a bit because of how they've gotten more popular amongst younger audiences.
Like I can tell you that Fleetwood Mac is a lot more popular amongst people my age than The Eagles or Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers or Linda Ronstadt or similar acts from the time. Like, they sell Fleetwood Mac vinyls at Urban Outfitters, every young teenager/college student's favorite store. They don't have any copies of Hotel California or Desperado but I was at the store the other day and they had Rumours and even Tusk and a Peter Green album. As well as that new book of photos.
I don't even know if what I'm saying is making any sense haha.

I do agree with you that they would have a hard time selling an album. I believe a lot of those fans are more casual listeners who mostly only know Rumours and maybe The White Album and only go to the concerts to hear those songs that they like.

[johnnystorms]

Neither Stevie Nicks NOR Fleetwood Mac were "cool" by the late 80's. I was a college freshman in '88, and I was made fun of for liking both.
GH sold great, but As Long as You Follow flopped, and Behind the Mask was a disaster.

The Dance was a way for all of them to save face and become semi-relevant again.
You have a point there. And I feel like that's why she seemed so extra annoyed last tour. I think Lindsey was starting to get impatient with her and it made the situation more irritable. If you look back through old interviews and things from the past 3/4 years, he's been trying to get her back in the studio forever. I think the reason he did the EP at his house and made it all warm and cozy for her was to try and give her some of that Dave Stewart environment she loved so much and he even brought in an outside producer-- and it worked, she was very happy with that then but there's a difference between a few days on a tiny EP where she contributed one ancient song and a full blown album. But you can tell he's been trying to lure her in, it just hasn't been working.

And to be frank, as much as I love her, (and I'll say this is just my opinion) I think Stevie's entire solo success rests on her riding the waves of Fleetwood Mac. Her image and lyrics and everything obviously help her but I truly believe had she burst onto the scene as a solo artist just like that, she wouldn't have succeeded. People would have found her silly. But within Fleetwood Mac, it worked and gave her that gateway to solo popularity. By the late 80s, from everything I've read 'Stevie Nicks' was no longer cool, but Fleetwood Mac still was. And then when her solo career started to really flop, it was The Dance that saved her.

And speaking for my demographic (young 20s), Fleetwood Mac is huge these days. They're probably the most popular of those older bands amongst people my age, arguably the most popular. And I think that growing popularity amongst my demographic has contributed a lot to their growing success and popularity in recent years. But, although Fleetwood Mac is popular amongst young people, 'Stevie Nicks' isn't so much.

Wow this ended up as an essay and I think I got really sidetracked here haha.

[dreamsunwind]

Neither Stevie Nicks NOR Fleetwood Mac were "cool" by the late 80's. I was a college freshman in '88, and I was made fun of for liking both.
GH sold great, but As Long as You Follow flopped, and Behind the Mask was a disaster.

The Dance was a way for all of them to save face and become semi-relevant again.

Oh really? Hmm I would have assumed otherwise since Tango sold so well, although I remember reading that it was bigger hit in the UK than it was here.

**Funny story, I was playing Little Lies the other day on my phone and my dad heard it and he was like OMG and said that I just gave him a major flashback because he remembered that song was ALL OVER the radio back then. And he was never even a Fleetwood Mac fan but he recognized it.

[HomerMcvie]

Oh trust me I know all this and I have no doubt you're right. But maybe I'm wrong I don't know, I feel like in the past couple of years,
Like around the time that CHRISTINE came back to the band, after 16 years of absence? :shrug:;)

I was at a 4th of July party that was all college students and they had a playlist going and it was mostly young acts, but then they had Dreams in there as well as Go Your Own Way.
I do lighting for a very popular "college band" that does GYOW, and I'm always impressed that the ENTIRE crowd is screaming the chorus!

Like I can tell you that Fleetwood Mac is a lot more popular amongst people my age then The Eagles or Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers or Linda Ronstadt or similar acts from the time. Like, they sell Fleetwood Mac vinyls at Urban Outfitters, every young teenager/college student's favorite store.
I don't even know if what I'm saying is making any sense.
Yes, it makes sense, and I'm glad to hear that they're still making new fans.

I do agree with you that they would have a hard time selling an album. I believe a lot of those fans are more casual listeners who mostly only know Rumours and maybe The White Album and only go to the concerts to hear those songs that they like.
They should stop worrying about whether or not Stevie is on the album, because it's probably not going to sell much anyway, these days.

But if she IS going to hop on the train, she needs to do it ASAP. Time's a wastin'...

[johnnystorms]

That is probably true. But I think a 12-14 song, well crafted CD finale could do it, WITH the right marketing.
I think after Tango for the band, and OSOTM for Stevie, the record company chose dreadful , adult contemporary singles to release.
"Save Me" was not a good first single, "maybe love", terrible.
TISL had great tracks, and people were pumped to hear new Stevie solo, and they chose "Everyday"........... blech!!!
And finally, "Peacekeeper" was an awful lead single for SYW. At a time when patriotic fervor was going high, the record company chose a song that seemed to make the band political, which they NEVER have been.
I still wish they had moved to Interscope for that release. Jimmy knows how to market Stevie, and I suspect he could have done the same for the full band.I know it's hard to believe, but once upon a time, in a land far away....they were the biggest band in the world.

They are still amazingly popular for senior citizens, but they'd have a hard time selling a million records now(with Stevie or not).

[dreamsunwind]

Like around the time that CHRISTINE came back to the band, after 16 years of absence? :shrug:;)


I do lighting for a very popular "college band" that does GYOW, and I'm always impressed that the ENTIRE crowd is screaming the chorus!


They should stop worrying about whether or not Stevie is on the album, because it's probably not going to sell much anyway, these days.

But if she IS going to hop on the train, she needs to do it ASAP. Time's a wastin'...

I agree, Christine is so wonderful. Her voice is so warm and flutey :angel:. I wish her name was as popular as Stevie's although I love them both. I wish all their names were as popular as Stevie's.

And that's exactly how it was at the party I was at! It was so much fun to see. I think Go Your Own Way is such a wonderful, enduring song because it's so anthemic. It makes everyone want to get up, and the chorus is so fun to scream along to.

And I agree on Stevie as well, but it would just make me so sad if she doesn't involve herself in the last album. But I'd also feel bad if she did and didn't enjoy it. It's like a lose-lose situation :(

[HomerMcvie]

I agree, Christine is so wonderful. Her voice is so warm and flutey :angel:. I wish her name was as popular as Stevie's although I love them both. I wish all their names were as popular as Stevie's.

And that's exactly how it was at the party I was at! It was so much fun to see. I think Go Your Own Way is such a wonderful, enduring song because it's so anthemic. It makes everyone want to get up, and the chorus is so fun to scream along to.

And I agree on Stevie as well, but it would just make me so sad if she doesn't involve herself in the last album. But I'd also feel bad if she did and didn't enjoy it. It's like a lose-lose situation :(

She's the QUEEN of FM, in some of our minds. Don't kill our buzz...because you CAN'T. :lol:

GYOW. I wonder in terms of radio play, where it stands royalty wise, compared to others? Because I hear it more than any other songs from their heyday...

I would be a crime if Stevie doesn't contribute to this...LAST(come on, let's not kid ourselves, here) album. But if she's being a stubborn ass, they should just release it without her.

Welcome to the board, BTW.

[dreamsunwind]

She's the QUEEN of FM, in some of our minds. Don't kill our buzz...because you CAN'T. :lol:

GYOW. I wonder in terms of radio play, where it stands royalty wise, compared to others? Because I hear it more than any other songs from their heyday...

I would be a crime if Stevie doesn't contribute to this...LAST(come on, let's not kid ourselves, here) album. But if she's being a stubborn ass, they should just release it without her.

Welcome to the board, BTW.

On Spotify, which is what I think almost everyone uses for streaming, Go Your Own Way is the most listened to Fleetwood Mac song by quite a large number. The third is Everywhere which has 61 million streams. The second is Dreams with 71 million. Go Your Own Way is the number one most listened to with 100 million. So that's a nearly 30 million gap between it and the number 2 song. It's super popular. Before I really got familiar with Fleetwood Mac, that was the song I knew of. That's not really surprising to me because it's probably one of the most perfect, catchiest, rock songs ever.

I'm sad, I hopped onto the Fleetwood Mac train just as they're finishing up.

And thank you! Happy to be here :)

[Macfan4life]

Neither Stevie Nicks NOR Fleetwood Mac were "cool" by the late 80's. I was a college freshman in '88, and I was made fun of for liking both.
GH sold great, but As Long as You Follow flopped, and Behind the Mask was a disaster.

The Dance was a way for all of them to save face and become semi-relevant again.
They were not "cool" was because of the easy pop songs and album they did with Lindsey. Rock stations played very little of Tango.
IMHO Behind the Mask was more genuine, a true group effort with a return to blues and rock. On BTM we got to hear Christine play keyboards again. So much of Tango was pre-recorded drum machines and synth pop machines.
Mirage was pop too but at least the played real instruments and it was a group effort.
Stevie did Rockline in 1989 promoting her TOSOTM album and spoke about the "new" Mac and said she liked it better because the band "rocked" and returned to rock n roll.

[louielouie2000]

They were not "cool" was because of the easy pop songs and album they did with Lindsey. Rock stations played very little of Tango.

It must have been a regional thing, because my partner and his friends graduated high school in 1989, and they all talk about how massive Tango was. None of these people are FM fans per se, but they all know all the songs on Tango and sing along to them when I play the album.

So much of Tango was pre-recorded drum machines and synth pop machines. Mirage was pop too but at least the played real instruments and it was a group effort. Stevie did Rockline in 1989 promoting her TOSOTM album and spoke about the "new" Mac and said she liked it better because the band "rocked" and returned to rock n roll.

This just proves once again what a nutjob Stevie is. She talks about liking the "rock" sound of the new Mac so much better while promoting The Other Side Of The Mirror- the most syrupy produced, airy fairy, least rock album she's ever done? If she liked the new direction and band so much, why did she quit a year later? You can't take anything this woman says at face value.

[Macfan4life]

LouieLouie
I was commenting on the other person's post. He used the word cool. I sort of understood what he meant. I meant that to be in rock circles or teenagers into music. I am the just a tad younger than the poster who said that. He was in college in 1988 and I was in high school. As a huge Mac fan at the time I was disappointed how shunned Tango was on rock stations and the "cool" kids. Lets be honest....Big Love is a bubble gum simple pop song that only required Lindsey to create.

[HomerMcvie]

So much of Tango was pre-recorded drum machines and synth pop machines.
Mirage was pop too but at least the played real instruments and it was a group effort.


While Tango has some very catchy songs, the production is SO dated, and over the top, that it's one of my least favorite albums. And it sounds nothing like an actual band playing!

Mirage DOES sound like a band playing, and never got the love it deserved. It may have something to do with my age(and fandom) when it came out, but it's always been a favorite of mine.

[jbrownsjr]

While Tango has some very catchy songs, the production is SO dated, and over the top, that it's one of my least favorite albums. And it sounds nothing like an actual band playing!

Mirage DOES sound like a band playing, and never got the love it deserved. It may have something to do with my age(and fandom) when it came out, but it's always been a favorite of mine.

Mirage has a thread.. from That's All Right to Wish You Were here...

I wish Oh Diane had been dropped for If You Were My Love

[HomerMcvie]

I wish Oh Diane had been dropped for If You Were My Love

While Family Man has always gotten so much hate, I love it, compared to Oh Diane!:mad::lol::mad:

[jbrownsjr]

While Family Man has always gotten so much hate, I love it, compared to Oh Diane!:mad::lol::mad:

Oh Diane has grown on me, but it still doesn't really fit with the rest of the album. It's a bummer.

[aleuzzi]

Oh Diane has grown on me, but it still doesn't really fit with the rest of the album. It's a bummer.

It reminds me a little of The Kinks' "Come Dancing" that came out around that time: a cute, arch 50s send-up. But nothing more.

[jbrownsjr]

It reminds me a little of The Kinks' "Come Dancing" that came out around that time: a cute, arch 50s send-up. But nothing more.

I love Come Dancing!! My grandma used to dance to it.

[dreamsunwind]

I must be one of the few that likes Oh Diane. It's kind of silly but his voice sounds so nice.

[jbrownsjr]

I must be one of the few that likes Oh Diane. It's kind of silly but his voice sounds so nice.

I've grown to like it. Just think it's still kind of out of place.

[secondhandchain]

Christines Instagram has a pic of her looking like she's in CA judging by the Bouganvillia behind her. Someone claims it was taken in Santa Monica. Not sure if this is an old pic or not.

[Danielle]

Christines Instagram has a pic of her looking like she's in CA judging by the Bouganvillia behind her. Someone claims it was taken in Santa Monica. Not sure if this is an old pic or not.
That's an older picture.

[iamnotafraid]

I can relate to the FM/Stevie not cool thing.

I was already catching heat for liking them
in about 1983.

[jbrownsjr]

I can relate to the FM/Stevie not cool thing.

I was already catching heat for liking them
in about 1983.

Fleetwood Mac and Stevie Nicks was cool in 1977... and then it wasn't

[dreamsunwind]

Doesn't that happen to a lot of bands or singers? There's a phase where they're the talk of the town and then they're not cool anymore but then they get their 'legend' status.

[DauphineMarie]

I've found that Fleetwood Mac and Stevie are becoming more popular among "hipsters" and those that hate hipsters now also hate the bands they like...

[dreamsunwind]

I've found that Fleetwood Mac and Stevie are becoming more popular among "hipsters" and those that hate hipsters now also hate the bands they like...

In my experience at least they're not popular amongst hipsters in particular, they're just popular amongst younger people in general. They're probably the most popular of those older bands of that time. Hipsters I know listen to like Halsey or The 1975 or that kind of thing. I'm not sure if they really listen to older music that much (especially what people consider "easy listening") except for like David Bowie. They're into the artsy like edgy type of thing not the mainstream that's why everyone is annoyed by them.

[SisterNightroad]

In my experience at least they're not popular amongst hipsters in particular, they're just popular amongst younger people in general. They're probably the most popular of those older bands of that time. Hipsters I know listen to like Halsey or The 1975 or that kind of thing. I'm not sure if they really listen to older music that much (especially what people consider "easy listening") except for like David Bowie. They're into the artsy like edgy type of thing not the mainstream that's why everyone is annoyed by them.
And dead artists so that they can say they were already listening to them before all the other people remembered about them after their deaths. I predict that from now on a lot of hipsters will start to listen to Leonard Cohen.

[dreamsunwind]

And dead artists so that they can say they were already listening to them before all the other people remembered about them after their deaths. I predict that from now on a lot of hipsters will start to listen to Leonard Cohen.


LOL yeah pretty much. That happened with Bowie after he died suddenly all these people were the biggest Bowie fans yet they knew about 2 or 3 songs. That didn't happen with Glenn Frey.
FM are 'cool' now in general but I wouldn't call them a big hipster thing, that's more of like indie-rock or random small bands or weird stuff that type of thing.

[secondhandchain]

I come to this thread hoping there is new album news and there is a conversation about hipsters. :shrug:

[jbrownsjr]

I come to this thread hoping there is new album news and there is a conversation about hipsters. :shrug:

I know... but we need something to talk about. :(

[bombaysaffires]

I come to this thread hoping there is new album news and there is a conversation about hipsters. :shrug:

sadly, that gives you your answer about new album news :mad:

[sue]

I know... but we need something to talk about. :(

Well, lets talk about the weather.....
Here on the borders of rural Hampshire/Berkshire, its pretty horrible first Autumn storms of the year blowing through with much rain...AND I am expecting a delivery of a new Sofa this afternoon. AAAGH.

[aleuzzi]

Yeah--the snow abounds here, too, in Western NY.

Hey, Fleetwood Mac could blame the interminable delay of the new album on effects of global warming.

[TheWILDheart]

Well, lets talk about the weather.....
Here on the borders of rural Hampshire/Berkshire, its pretty horrible first Autumn storms of the year blowing through with much rain...AND I am expecting a delivery of a new Sofa this afternoon. AAAGH.

Snow, wind and rain here in Leeds. I got soaked at lunch time going out for food.

But I'm flying to Mauritius in a week where it's 32 degrees C and glorious sunshine :thumbsup:

[lennonfan]

This is the time to play BARE TREES !!;)

[nicepace]

This is the time to play BARE TREES !!;)

It's always a good time to play BARE TREES.

[jbrownsjr]

We had rain in Southern California!

[sue]

We had rain in Southern California!

Never.....In the words of Albert Hammond...

[Macfanforever]

Wow.We got a derailment.LOL....The latest weather reports ....................Oh well.Sorry to be cold .Pun intended. Time to move on and get over it.If it happens or not .:shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:

BTW Here in New England we had spring time 60's here last Saturday .Now its about 40 now.

[SteveMacD]

We had rain in Southern California!
The first time I had been in L.A. in over 24 years (Oct. 4, 2010) it was raining cats and dogs and was all of 55 degrees.

[Macfanforever]

I love Albert Hammond.Heard the song the other day on Casey Kasems AT40 the 70's show.Made me think of this thread.

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OK .We now rejoin this topic already in progress .LOL.

Yes .Fleetwood Mac will come up with something before we get more grey hair someday.Or the later part.:shocked:

[sue]

...Back to the subject...
I have been thinking that since Stevie's current tour, getting her to the studio could be even more difficult.
Her tour is very positive for her, she is really enjoying playing her solo stuff and likes being her own woman.
Does this add up to her even more reticence to enter the studio with FMC ?.

[elle]

...Back to the subject...
I have been thinking that since Stevie's current tour, getting her to the studio could be even more difficult.
Her tour is very positive for her, she is really enjoying playing her solo stuff and likes being her own woman.
Does this add up to her even more reticence to enter the studio with FMC ?.

of course. i really don't get while are people still so insistent on her having to join them, when she obviously has no interest in it and would just drag the album down. it is pretty clear that at this point album without Stevie is a win-win for both the music and quality of the album as well as for SN. so why are we still harping on this?

[jbrownsjr]

of course. i really don't get while are people still so insistent on her having to join them, when she obviously has no interest in it and would just drag the album down. it is pretty clear that at this point album without Stevie is a win-win for both the music and quality of the album as well as for SN. so why are we still harping on this?

Exactly... It's good that her tour is fun for her.. So maybe we will get the album...

It's up to Mick to grow some ...

[jbrownsjr]

And I'm done blaming Stevie Nicks for this. She did her own thing.. that's great... now the other four have a name for themselves.. it's up to them to market it and do something with it.

[Kubrick2788]

Commenting on the quality of an album that may or may not exist in the future being brought down by a specific member could take this thread into rough waters. All of them have thrown clunkers out. The FM discography is riddled with cheese from all parties. No guarantee that songs like 'Carnival Begin' and whatever Lindsey has in the can are barn burners...

[jbrownsjr]

Commenting on the quality of an album that may or may not exist in the future being brought down by a specific member could take this thread into rough waters. All of them have thrown clunkers out. The FM discography is riddled with cheese from all parties. No guarantee that songs like 'Carnival Begin' and whatever Lindsey has in the can are barn burners...

Had the same thought. As I think Stevie's solo efforts have tons of clunkers and bad singing. However, at least she's still putting it out. The other 4 have no excuse. PUt it out and let the fates have it as it were.

[aleuzzi]

And I'm done blaming Stevie Nicks for this. She did her own thing.. that's great... now the other four have a name for themselves.. it's up to them to market it and do something with it.

Yes. Now Christine and Lindsey in particular need to assert themselves as musicians and artists in their own right and move forward.