Fleetwood mac WILL record new album says stevie

[Macfanforever]

I heard from a very good source that they will finish up this new album in May, then ultimately tour behind it. As far as a Stevie solo tour goes, there's a slight chance for one this Fall, but unlikely.

Jamie

Thanks for the update and hearing from you.That great news on the album.We can finally put this thread to bed when its done..
I do wish that she will do a couple of solo shows in the meantime.

[HomerMcvie]

Hahahahahaha... you don't want to hear her groan through her old catalog, with Dave Stewarts' 80's synths? And then run to the casino to see it?

Git outta mah head!

I want an album that sounds like classic FM(even though Chris is the only one whose voice is close to what it used to be).

[mitzo]

Hahahahahaha... you don't want to hear her groan through her old catalog, with Dave Stewarts' 80's synths? And then run to the casino to see it?

I'd rather hear Lindsey squawk and yelp his back catalogue in skinny jeans acapella. And run to the bleachers at the local park to see it.

[Hawkeye]

Hahahahahaha... you don't want to hear her groan through her old catalog, with Dave Stewarts' 80's synths? And then run to the casino to see it?


If there is a tour in the fall, the set would consist of primarily songs from 24 karot gold. I wold put a lot of money on there being less the half the songs being her back catalogue.

[Macfanforever]

Hahaha I rather hear Stevie Groan out with Dave's 1980's synth pop then the current gibberish ,vocal morph autotune artists.LOL...I love the 1980's it was the last decade of music that I enjoyed.

[jbrownsjr]

Hahaha I rather hear Stevie Groan out with Dave's 1980's synth pop then the current gibberish ,vocal morph autotune artists.LOL...I love the 1980's it was the last decade of music that I enjoyed.

You got me there!! Me, too!!

[Macfanforever]

You got me there!! Me, too!!

Hahahaha. Also I forgot to mention the 1980's horns and sax sound too.


I'd rather hear Lindsey squawk and yelp his back catalogue in skinny jeans acapella. And run to the bleachers at the local park to see it.

Hahaha.That was funny.LOL.....

[jbrownsjr]

I'd rather hear Lindsey squawk and yelp his back catalogue in skinny jeans acapella. And run to the bleachers at the local park to see it.

This thread and this post really made me laugh. I had to take a moment to calm down..

Great stuff!! :D

[Justin Reach]

I heard from a very good source that they will finish up this new album in May, then ultimately tour behind it. As far as a Stevie solo tour goes, there's a slight chance for one this Fall, but unlikely.

Jamie

Would that mean a release around September-ish this year then?

[jbrownsjr]

Would that mean a release around September-ish this year then?

I would love a fall FMac release...

[mylittledemon]

I heard from a very good source that they will finish up this new album in May

I wish they'd start getting some word of mouth out there about it, or hell, at least put out a press release to get some hype going. :shrug:

[Nick]

Would love a press release sometime in April. I can see a Fall album release and who doesn't think the lead single will be sung by Christine? lol

[Macfanforever]

I was thinking over the weekend how will this new album will get good radio exposure.The Mac got to compete against Bieber and his friends.SYW had great radio exposure when it came out.

[BLY]

Would love a press release sometime in April. I can see a Fall album release and who doesn't think the lead single will be sung by Christine? lol


Oh yes. It will be a song that will have all three voices very prominent. (Little Lies, Say You Love Me, Love in Store) for sure. It also could be a Buckingham/McVie duet with a lot of Stevie. It's definitely going to have all three of them on it.

[Hawkeye]

Yes That would make sense to have a song feature all voices. But this IS Fleetwood Mac were talking about. They tend to do the exact opposite of what makes most sense.so the first single from the reunited fireflies may very well be the latest Lindsey solo piece in the style of red rover!

[jbrownsjr]

Yes That would make sense to have a song feature all voices. But this IS Fleetwood Mac were talking about. They tend to do the exact opposite of what makes most sense.so the first single from the reunited fireflies may very well be the latest Lindsey solo piece in the style of red rover!

Oh my lord... it's funny because it's true..

[MikeVielhaber]

Why would there be a press release to announce the intention of or planned recording of a new album? I'm sure we won't get any press release until the album is finished and ready to go. Until then we might get bits of news from various sources or maybe an interview with a band member or two.

[Macfanforever]

Why would there be a press release to announce the intention of or planned recording of a new album? I'm sure we won't get any press release until the album is finished and ready to go. Until then we might get bits of news from various sources or maybe an interview with a band member or two.

I agree.I dont see them having a press conference on releasing the new album. More likely the news will come out on social media in bits and pieces like Dave S has done with Stevie's albums.

They could book the late night shows to perform the new tunes which would be good start to get the word out.

[jbrownsjr]

Release a single early... give me something to listen to a million times before the album comes out..

[mylittledemon]

Why would there be a press release to announce the intention of or planned recording of a new album?

Because then they'd have to commit to something. :lol:

[Nick]

Why would there be a press release to announce the intention of or planned recording of a new album?

Some press releases announce an artist has signed with a new label and don't give anything else regarding a release date.

In this case, a FM press release could mention new song titles and a tentative release date for the first single. April may be kind of early, but it all depends on if they plan on a late Summer or early Fall release......or even a 2016 release at all.

[aleuzzi]

Release a single early... give me something to listen to a million times before the album comes out..

Yes. This.

[Macfanforever]

Release a single early... give me something to listen to a million times before the album comes out..

Yes. This.

Good point guys.Atlease we will know the tune before the album drops and we will be ready to sing it at the shows in 2017.

[jbrownsjr]

Good point guys.Atlease we will know the tune before the album drops and we will be ready to sing it at the shows in 2017.

Sing it.. I'll be able to play it!! :D

[louielouie2000]

I don't think anybody is really expecting press releases at this point, but I DO think folks are expecting to hear a bit more from the band. Most notably, Stevie is STILL remaining totally silent publicly on the subject, which definitely makes all of us fans uneasy. After all, she's the one who will either allow this project to move forward or shut it down permanently.

[jbrownsjr]

I don't think anybody is really expecting press releases at this point, but I DO think folks are expecting to hear a bit more from the band. Most notably, Stevie is STILL remaining totally silent publicly on the subject, which definitely makes all of us fans uneasy. After all, she's the one who will either allow this project to move forward or shut it down permanently.

Maybe she is enjoying her new house in Malibu. I think she said she has had it a while. But, never got to enjoy it.

[louielouie2000]

Maybe she is enjoying her new house in Malibu. I think she said she has had it a while. But, never got to enjoy it.

:laugh:

Hanging out in a trailer park definitely takes precedence over making new music with one of the most legendary bands of all time! ;)

[jbrownsjr]

:laugh:

Hanging out in a trailer park definitely takes precedence over making new music with one of the most legendary bands of all time! ;)

Now you leave her alone. Only I'm allowed to be mean to Shhtevie...

[mylittledemon]

After all, she's the one who will either allow this project to move forward or shut it down permanently.


You know, it never occurred to me until now that maybe she's just not ready to say goodbye (see what I did there?) to the band. Recording a new album + touring means the end would be in sight, and despite her age, she might not be prepared or willing to deal with that yet.

[lilyfee]

You know, it never occurred to me until now that maybe she's just not ready to say goodbye (see what I did there?) to the band. Recording a new album + touring means the end would be in sight, and despite her age, she might not be prepared or willing to deal with that yet.

Or at least is in no rush to do so?:shrug:

[DauphineMarie]

You know, it never occurred to me until now that maybe she's just not ready to say goodbye (see what I did there?) to the band. Recording a new album + touring means the end would be in sight, and despite her age, she might not be prepared or willing to deal with that yet.

I agree with this 100%. As someone who has extensively studied emotional/mental states and psychology, what I've observed from Stevie is the intense aversion to change (clothes, setlists, albums, etc). Besides that, her attempts at escapism are telling. She sold her house in Phoenix (a city she's lived in for over 30 years!) after her mum passed away, thereby abolishing those memories, and choosing to retreat to her solitude by the sea. She released 24KG, a contemplative, retrospective album that was entirely based on the past... Of course there's so much more to these decisions than what I've mentioned, but I still believe they say something.

My very favourite historical figure, Marie Antoinette, I believed suffered from a very similar state of mind. As France was plunged into turmoil, she retreated to her gardens, creating a world of bizarre simplicity to remove herself entirely from reality, and continued on as if nothing was wrong. She became oblivious to her surroundings, refusing to give in to the demands made upon her, because she honestly couldn't handle it anymore. High expectations and horrific circumstances throughout her whole life led her to dissociate from reality, and I think Stevie has done this, in a slightly different way obviously.

I don't personally know her, but her actions over the last 20+ years are so indicative of her "state of mind". :shrug:

[mitzo]

There will be no new album.

[MikeInNV]

I don't think anybody is really expecting press releases at this point, but I DO think folks are expecting to hear a bit more from the band. Most notably, Stevie is STILL remaining totally silent publicly on the subject, which definitely makes all of us fans uneasy. After all, she's the one who will either allow this project to move forward or shut it down permanently.

But isn't this whole thread, "FM Will Record New Album, Says Stevie" based on her most recent public remarks? If she gave a lengthy new interview to someone without saying anything about Fleetwood Mac, that would be alarming, but the last thing she said to the press is completely in line with what Christine said just a few weeks ago.

[mylittledemon]

Or at least is in no rush to do so?:shrug:

Precisely. She just got Christine back after 15 years without her. I'm sure issues of the heart are just as much at work here besides the business side of things, as it always has been with this band.

[jbrownsjr]

There will be no new album.

How about a cassette, then?

[mylittledemon]

There will be no new album.

http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag137/nelsonmonty/shakinghead_zpsca7dccc3.gif

[Nick]

Stevie is STILL remaining totally silent publicly on the subject.

I would think this is the opposite of being totally silent.

http://www.showbiz411.com/2015/12/07/stevie-nicks-fleetwood-mac-will-record-new-album-group-has-plenty-of-songs

[Macfanforever]

I could not resist. Hahahahahaha.Why not .Vinyl is back. Maybe it would be release only on 8track tape.Most of the older fans might still have their players in their attic,garage,basement or storage bin.

I have a fleet of players here and I could rent them out who needs it.

[louielouie2000]

I would think this is the opposite of being totally silent.

http://www.showbiz411.com/2015/12/07/stevie-nicks-fleetwood-mac-will-record-new-album-group-has-plenty-of-songs

I don't place any stock in that article, especially considering it was amended to say that Stevie was going to do "several" solo projects before she'd commit to a new FM album. So to me, that's still very far from a firm confirmation or commitment from Stevie. This whole thing will be real to me when Stevie makes some sort of grand, bold, official proclamation which is picked up by multiple trusted news outlets.

[Nick]

^ I respect that, but no other FM member has talked about the new album this year either. There hasn't been talk about a Stevie solo album/tour either so....

[SeanJT]

I don't remember a time in Fleetwood Mac history that they all stayed this quiet this long after all the news we've received the last couple of years; meaning new songs, Christine rejoining, world tour, new album, etc. (Not to mention the recent passing of so many legendary rock icons...)

So much movement (slow as it was/is), then nothing for months. I can't help but wonder if it is all leading up to the "grand finale/massive media blitz/album (hopefully double album) release/farewell tour/50 year band anniversary, 40 year 'Rumours' anniversary (both anniversaries happening in 2017)"

Someone somewhere must know something about what's coming. I just don't remember this kind of long term silence from the band. Something MUST be cooking somewhere! The speculation is maddening! :shrug:

[sywlindseyfan]

I don't remember a time in Fleetwood Mac history that they all stayed this quiet this long after all the news we've received the last couple of years; meaning new songs, Christine rejoining, world tour, new album, etc. (Not to mention the recent passing of so many legendary rock icons...)

So much movement (slow as it was/is), then nothing for months. I can't help but wonder if it is all leading up to the "grand finale/massive media blitz/album (hopefully double album) release/farewell tour/50 year band anniversary, 40 year 'Rumours' anniversary (both anniversaries happening in 2017)"

Someone somewhere must know something about what's coming. I just don't remember this kind of long term silence from the band. Something MUST be cooking somewhere! The speculation is maddening! :shrug:


This has definitely happened before. No worries, JT! How long have you been a fan may I ask?

[jwd]

I could not resist. Hahahahahaha.Why not .Vinyl is back. Maybe it would be release only on 8track tape.Most of the older fans might still have their players in their attic,garage,basement or storage bin.

I have a fleet of players here and I could rent them out who needs it.


NEVER! Those things sucked! :laugh:

[Macfanforever]

NEVER! Those things sucked! :laugh:

Yea .I agree.The muffled sound.Two channels playing at once and no rewind.

Its like having an Ipod with a crappy dollar store muffled sound headset with broken buttons except for the play button.

Reel to Reel tape would be great.Get a copy recorded at 7 1/2 or 15ips tape speed would sound great.

[SeanJT]

Hey, sywlindseyfan!

I have been an enthusiastic fan for 40 years!

It just seems with social media these days, we would hear something; even if NOTHING was happening, seems we would hear about it from someone.

:angel:

[jbrownsjr]

Hey, sywlindseyfan!

I have been an enthusiastic fan for 40 years!

It just seems with social media these days, we would hear something; even if NOTHING was happening, seems we would hear about it from someone.

:angel:

40 years is a good chunk of FMac.. nice! I came in at Heroes Are Hard to Find.

[aleuzzi]

40 years is a good chunk of FMac.. nice! I came in at Heroes Are Hard to Find.

I'm always fascinated when someone tells me he or she dug some incarnation of the band before 1975. How did you become aware of HEROES? Did you hear any of it on the radio? Did you happen to go to a live show? Details! I want details!

[sywlindseyfan]

Hey, sywlindseyfan!

I have been an enthusiastic fan for 40 years!

It just seems with social media these days, we would hear something; even if NOTHING was happening, seems we would hear about it from someone.

:angel:

That's so awesome! I'm always curious of how long we have all been fans. I look to people like you on the ledge, thank you for keeping this band going. I see what you mean about social media. Definitely a silent period, but this band knows how to play the game in their favor. They are so good at keeping their privacy!

[Aussie W/Heart]

Mick Fleetwood was just on the morning show CH7 promoting his Blues band tour, unfortunately i missed the very start of the interview. They showed lots of photos and some new footage that i haven't seen before from back in their glory years. Talked about the same old stuff, their affairs etc but NO MENTION of a new album.. Did anyone here in OZ catch the start of this interview?

[justcrazylove]

I saw the interview, it was ****ing terrible, not one interesting question and not even a proper discussion about the blues band tour! However Mick kept trying to steer the conversation towards his band, we did learn however that Jimmy Barnes will be performing with him tonight!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Aussie W/Heart]

I saw the interview, it was ****ing terrible, not one interesting question and not even a proper discussion about the blues band tour! However Mick kept trying to steer the conversation towards his band, we did learn however that Jimmy Barnes will be performing with him tonight!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Yeah i agree, such a bland interview. same old questions and answers...
I thought Mick looked good though.

[nicole21290]

Waiting for the gig to start. Was interrupted a grand total of five times so I didn't get to ask my questions, but a good experience nevertheless. Just at a small theatre so we had the M&G in the foyer area, just sat on sofas and bar stools while he stood in the centre. Pretty noisy so I doubt any audio recording I made turned out.

The one and only piece of 'news' came out of a question about whether FM would tour again. Intending to tour beginning in October 2017, though they really 'need' to before that. Apparently Stevie needs convincing. He talks to Chris weekly. She calls wanting to know when they're going back out. It'll probably be the last tour and go for two years or so, off and on. "Massive."

I wanted to ask a follow-up, clarification of the album situation but I'm not assertive enough to talk over those butting in when I start talking, lol.

[SeanJT]

Hello, nicole21290!

Sorry, but am I understanding you were at a Q&A with Mick for his show, and he said the next tour is maybe October 2017?

Wouldn't that mean we get the new album between now and next summer?

That's an awfully long gap.

:shrug:

Any other questions asked that could shed some light?

[FuzzyPlum]

Waiting for the gig to start. Was interrupted a grand total of five times so I didn't get to ask my questions, but a good experience nevertheless. Just at a small theatre so we had the M&G in the foyer area, just sat on sofas and bar stools while he stood in the centre. Pretty noisy so I doubt any audio recording I made turned out.

The one and only piece of 'news' came out of a question about whether FM would tour again. Intending to tour beginning in October 2017, though they really 'need' to before that. Apparently Stevie needs convincing. He talks to Chris weekly. She calls wanting to know when they're going back out. It'll probably be the last tour and go for two years or so, off and on. "Massive."

I wanted to ask a follow-up, clarification of the album situation but I'm not assertive enough to talk over those butting in when I start talking, lol.


October 2017 tour????? Oh f**k...no album soon then. So much for the big anniversary year- it'll be nearly over before they start doing anything.

[Macfan4life]

Waiting for the gig to start. Was interrupted a grand total of five times so I didn't get to ask my questions, but a good experience nevertheless. Just at a small theatre so we had the M&G in the foyer area, just sat on sofas and bar stools while he stood in the centre. Pretty noisy so I doubt any audio recording I made turned out.

The one and only piece of 'news' came out of a question about whether FM would tour again. Intending to tour beginning in October 2017, though they really 'need' to before that. Apparently Stevie needs convincing. He talks to Chris weekly. She calls wanting to know when they're going back out. It'll probably be the last tour and go for two years or so, off and on. "Massive."

I wanted to ask a follow-up, clarification of the album situation but I'm not assertive enough to talk over those butting in when I start talking, lol.
Thank you for the report Nicole.

The timing makes sense to me. Band members have most of 2016 to do what they want before finishing up the album in 2017 and then beginning the farewell tour and album promotion.

[sue]

A long tour from October 2017......So I'm sticking to new Album in

February 2017....forty years on ...

[nicole21290]

Trying to see if any of my audio worked out - not the easiest place to record, lol... Thankfully, he answered the question about the tour whilst standing a foot away from me and facing near my direction, so this clip is pretty clear. Exact transcript for you:

Yeah, we’re planning to go out a little later than I would have liked. I think we’re going to have to work on young Stevie. But we’re going, we’re planning to be on the road in October of ’17. We need that to be a little sooner. Uh, I think it’s crazy touring in the winter… Well, we normally go all over the world, y’know, and I think that will - in our mind - be the last tour. It will be a massive commitment that will last about two years on and off like the Stones when they go out. And I think the girls will have had enough. Although, Christine, who re-joined Fleetwood Mac, and she’s an elder stateswoman - I won’t mention how old but she’s like a spring chicken. She phones me every week now and goes like, “We’re going back out, right?”

[jbrownsjr]

Well, this album better be damn good.

[Wdm6789]

I'm going to start saving money now for tickets. I plan on getting good floor seats. I also really hope they play Sara in the US this time. Fingers crossed for Hold Me as well, but I'm not holding my breath.

[FuzzyPlum]

Poor old Christine- I feel sorry for her. She comes out of retirement after all these years only to be faced with a big massive wait. My worry is she'll think 'Sod this, that's me done' again.

Sorry to bring this thread full circle yet again...but they need to do the album/tour as a foursome. Get on and live life while you have it!

[jbrownsjr]

Poor old Christine- I feel sorry for her. She comes out of retirement after all these years only to be faced with a big massive wait. My worry is she'll think 'Sod this, that's me done' again.

Sorry to bring this thread full circle yet again...but they need to do the album/tour as a foursome. Get on and live life while you have it!

I don't think she'd quit again. Maybe, she'll make solo work.. :)

[ryan4136]

Poor old Christine- I feel sorry for her. She comes out of retirement after all these years only to be faced with a big massive wait. My worry is she'll think 'Sod this, that's me done' again.

Sorry to bring this thread full circle yet again...but they need to do the album/tour as a foursome. Get on and live life while you have it!

So you think she'll quite doing nothing?

[nicole21290]

The quality comes and goes, but this is the entirety of Mick's M&G in Sydney - the bit about the tour comes about nineteen minutes in, I believe.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/dfo77mhlf8e23a3/Mick_M%26G_%28March_2015%29.mp3

[BlueLight]

Trying to see if any of my audio worked out - not the easiest place to record, lol... Thankfully, he answered the question about the tour whilst standing a foot away from me and facing near my direction, so this clip is pretty clear. Exact transcript for you:

Yeah, we’re planning to go out a little later than I would have liked. I think we’re going to have to work on young Stevie. But we’re going, we’re planning to be on the road in October of ’17. We need that to be a little sooner. Uh, I think it’s crazy touring in the winter… Well, we normally go all over the world, y’know, and I think that will - in our mind - be the last tour. It will be a massive commitment that will last about two years on and off like the Stones when they go out. And I think the girls will have had enough. Although, Christine, who re-joined Fleetwood Mac, and she’s an elder stateswoman - I won’t mention how old but she’s like a spring chicken. She phones me every week now and goes like, “We’re going back out, right?”

Thank you as always for the update! Good to know what lies ahead (and selfishly, I'm happy that this means Stevie has ample time for her own solo work).

[sorcerer999]

October 2017 tour????? Oh f**k...no album soon then. So much for the big anniversary year- it'll be nearly over before they start doing anything.

I still believe, despite that fact the tour will start later on, that the "big anniversary year" will be successful. They'll probably reissue "Rumours" for the millionth time early in the year (and give us the final scraps of session outtakes or video footage). They might even give us a new 50th Anniversary boxed set, although that is wishful thinking on my part.

And of course they'll release the new album a couple of months before they go on tour. My guess is that summer. 2017 will be a great year for the band! :)

[nicepace]

... they need to do the album/tour as a foursome. Get on and live life while you have it!

Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. I infer from everything I've read that Mick considers Stevie to be an essential element of the band, but why? I realize she's the most popular individual member (which I could never understand), but even without her the band would still be hugely popular. They need to scale down financial expectations a little, ratchet up their artistic expectations, finish the album with Christine and Lindsey, and go on a shorter tour as a foursome.

Either that or Christine needs to record another solo album (which she could easily do in a month, no fuss) and just go out on her own tour.

[Murrow]

I have one thing to say to Stevie Nicks.

Either defecate or get off the karzi. You got what you wanted - Christine came back. Now stop acting like a spoilt brat. What if John gets ill again and doesn't make it before you finally commit?

If you do leave, Fleetwood Mac will be better off without your endless moaning and bitterness - none of your swords and sorcery lyrics can disguise it and you've had all the sympathy you're going to get re Lindsey from this generation of fans.

Enough said there I think.

[JohnL]

I have one thing to say to Stevie Nicks.

Either defecate or get off the karzi. You got what you wanted - Christine came back. Now stop acting like a spoilt brat. What if John gets ill again and doesn't make it before you finally commit?

If you do leave, Fleetwood Mac will be better off without your endless moaning and bitterness - none of your swords and sorcery lyrics can disguise it and you've had all the sympathy you're going to get re Lindsey from this generation of fans.

Enough said there I think.

I would like to know if anyone said anything like this about Christine when she left the group? Stevie has toured endlessly for like the last 8-10 years. Give the woman a break. As far as the bitterness and endless moaning, that is what I hear from haters on here more than anything I ever heard from Stevie.

[sue]

I have one thing to say to Stevie Nicks.

Either defecate or get off the karzi. You got what you wanted - Christine came back. Now stop acting like a spoilt brat. What if John gets ill again and doesn't make it before you finally commit?

If you do leave, Fleetwood Mac will be better off without your endless moaning and bitterness - none of your swords and sorcery lyrics can disguise it and you've had all the sympathy you're going to get re Lindsey from this generation of fans.

Enough said there I think.

ooooh.. ouch!!

[MikeVielhaber]

I would like to know if anyone said anything like this about Christine when she left the group? Stevie has toured endlessly for like the last 8-10 years. Give the woman a break. As far as the bitterness and endless moaning, that is what I hear from haters on here more than anything I ever heard from Stevie.

Well we haven't heard from Stevie much at all, but we can infer that she has been difficult behind the scenes regarding getting on board with the bands (the other 4 who are on the same page) plans.

What do you mean if anybody said this when Christine left? She wasn't holding the band back. She left when she no longer felt she could do it anymore. It's a lot more admirable than what Stevie has been doing. And the difference between then and now is that they're nearly 20 years older and don't really have the time to waste anymore. If it's going to happen, if they're going to put out one last album before it's all over, it has to be soon.

[aleuzzi]

I would like to know if anyone said anything like this about Christine when she left the group? Stevie has toured endlessly for like the last 8-10 years. Give the woman a break. As far as the bitterness and endless moaning, that is what I hear from haters on here more than anything I ever heard from Stevie.

Stevie was pretty vocal about her complaints in that interview for the British press at the end of the American leg of ON WITH THE SHOW. She seemed pretty much over all-things Mac before they even hit Europe.

[aleuzzi]

Trying to see if any of my audio worked out - not the easiest place to record, lol... Thankfully, he answered the question about the tour whilst standing a foot away from me and facing near my direction, so this clip is pretty clear. Exact transcript for you:

Yeah, we’re planning to go out a little later than I would have liked. I think we’re going to have to work on young Stevie. But we’re going, we’re planning to be on the road in October of ’17. We need that to be a little sooner. Uh, I think it’s crazy touring in the winter… Well, we normally go all over the world, y’know, and I think that will - in our mind - be the last tour. It will be a massive commitment that will last about two years on and off like the Stones when they go out. And I think the girls will have had enough. Although, Christine, who re-joined Fleetwood Mac, and she’s an elder stateswoman - I won’t mention how old but she’s like a spring chicken. She phones me every week now and goes like, “We’re going back out, right?”


This is soooooooooo annoying! First Christine says April 2016 is when the band will likely get in the studio to finish the upcoming album. Then a ledgie in the know says May 2016 is when the band returns to the studio. Now we learn from Mick that the tour to support this album wouldn't start until October 2017?! Does this mean the next record won't come out until mid-2017? Good god. I was just beginning to feel hopeful that it would be released in time for THIS Christmas season. I am so tired of these people!!!! Come on already! Christine is keen. She expressed interest in doing a solo album BEFORE she rejoined the band. That would've been out by now. I'm so friggin' pissed.

[Murrow]

I would like to know if anyone said anything like this about Christine when she left the group? Stevie has toured endlessly for like the last 8-10 years. Give the woman a break. As far as the bitterness and endless moaning, that is what I hear from haters on here more than anything I ever heard from Stevie.

Christine during the 1998-2013 period was not a member of the group. They were therefore able to go ahead and do Say You Will when they did with all then current members committed.

Stevie has not officially left the group. What I am saying is she should either do so or stop procrastinating and lay her tracks down (once Mick's back from Australia that is).

[elle]

Trying to see if any of my audio worked out - not the easiest place to record, lol... Thankfully, he answered the question about the tour whilst standing a foot away from me and facing near my direction, so this clip is pretty clear. Exact transcript for you:

Yeah, we’re planning to go out a little later than I would have liked. I think we’re going to have to work on young Stevie. But we’re going, we’re planning to be on the road in October of ’17. We need that to be a little sooner. Uh, I think it’s crazy touring in the winter… Well, we normally go all over the world, y’know, and I think that will - in our mind - be the last tour. It will be a massive commitment that will last about two years on and off like the Stones when they go out. And I think the girls will have had enough. Although, Christine, who re-joined Fleetwood Mac, and she’s an elder stateswoman - I won’t mention how old but she’s like a spring chicken. She phones me every week now and goes like, “We’re going back out, right?”

thanks for sharing, Nicole. sorry you didn't get to ask your question, and can't believe nobody asked about the album!! hopefully one of the remaining m&gs someone will, and we get to hear about what the response is.


from all this, i can see as the best case scenario (taking into account people we are dealing with and their [no] sense of time):

they may all go into studio apr-may 2016 to finish the album - with Stevie (yes? no? that's the question someone should ask - whether they are really going into studio to finish the album in the next few months, like Chris said, and if they are, is Stevie going to be there too, or they still don't have her commitment).
they'll put that album out fall of 2017 the earliest
they'll tour one last massive, 2-years long tour starting probably spring 2018 (because in these people math that will be close enough to 50 years of rumours and Stevie doesn't want to tour with FM before fall 2017 which takes them for a winter tour start and will probably not happen)

[SteveMacD]

October 2017 tour????? Oh f**k...no album soon then. So much for the big anniversary year- it'll be nearly over before they start doing anything.
Not necessarily. TITN came out on April 13 and the tour didn't start until September 30, five and a half months later.

[Macfanforever]

I would like to know if anyone said anything like this about Christine when she left the group? Stevie has toured endlessly for like the last 8-10 years. Give the woman a break. As far as the bitterness and endless moaning, that is what I hear from haters on here more than anything I ever heard from Stevie.

Got a point there .Give her a break.I'm just wondering if the internet was up to full swing in when Chris left the band .The fan would had a chance to express their feelings about her.

Again .At this point .So what if they finish the album or not.I cant afford to loose any sleep over it.

[Macfanforever]

Sorry to mention .If they hired Dave S as producer from the start .He'll be tweeting about this along time ago with a daily updates like he did with Stevie's albums..

[Macfanforever]

October 2017 tour????? Oh f**k...no album soon then. So much for the big anniversary year- it'll be nearly over before they start doing anything.

OH eff.Not another winter tour.

[mitzo]

My heart sinks at the prospect of yet another massive world tour. These tours really just take them away from recording and creating for, like, years. A big tour means no new stuff from anybody, possibly ever. I hope they make one final album before that tour. But if they do, that is likely to be it.

[SteveMacD]

I would like to know if anyone said anything like this about Christine when she left the group?
Not when she LEFT altogether. She made it very clear that she was done, and gracefully gave the band her blessing to continue on without her. She didn't stifle the band.

However, I made a similar comment in 1995, when she had as many songs as Billy, Dave, and Mick COMBINED on the "Time" album, but wouldn't tour. You're either in the band or you're not.

Stevie has toured endlessly for like the last 8-10 years. Give the woman a break.
She chose to do that and got paid accordingly. However, age and illness make this likely the last chapter in Fleetwood Mac's history, and time is of the essence. It's just the reality.

[WayOfTheDragon]

Either that or Christine needs to record another solo album (which she could easily do in a month, no fuss) and just go out on her own tour.

I would really love another Christine solo album. If she went on a solo tour, I'd be there in a heartbeat. :nod:

[SteveMacD]

Got a point there .Give her a break.I'm just wondering if the internet was up to full swing in when Chris left the band .The fan would had a chance to express their feelings about her.
Christine retired from touring in 1990, and made it clear with her lyrics on "Time" in 1995 that she was done. I looked at "The Dance" as an added bonus, like it was her way of going out on top. I doubt that anyone paying attention at the time was surprised that it was Christine who put a lid on that tour.

[BlueDenimLamp]

Can't blame Stevie for FM's lack of studio output...The blame rests squarely on Mick Fleetwood's shoulders ( and possibly the others if it's a group decision )
When you manage a company (yes FM is a company) and you have one employee (band member) disrupting or preventing the other team members from doing their jobs you try and fix the problem and if you can't fix the problem you REMOVE the problem (team member) so the others can be productive again.

If Stevie no longer want's to deal with LB in a studio setting that's her choice. It's also the bands choice to keep recording projects on the back burner year after year all the while hoping she will change her mind.
And why has Mick not fixed the problem? Because it seems he (and the others) would rather maximize the bands touring revenue instead of their creativity.

The band made a record without LB. They also made a record without LB & SN. And they also made a record without CM. So why not one with LB & CM without Stevie?
And is Stevie to blame for the fact that FM's studio output over the last 40 years barely compares to the first 7 years of FM before Stevie & Lindsey were hired.

Does Mick really think FM will be touring in 2020? He said the tour would start in the fall of 2017 and continue for 2 years (and if more dates are added possibly longer) It will be a miracle if FM reaches the end of the next tour (late 2019) without one of them having a health issue serious enough to impact the tour.

I think the others are right and at this stage of the game they need to be realistic with their expectations (times running short) and not try and plan what they will be doing at the end of 2019. By then Stevie will be 71 and Christine will be 76.

[bombaysaffires]

I adore Stevie but this is just bulls%t.

Put a wrap on FM and then do whatever the eff you want til in your solo work til you drop.

Enough already.

I would bet money that the managers and accountants and all that are pushing for touring over recording because "that's where the money is".

[elle]

And is Stevie to blame for the fact that FM's studio output over the last 40 years barely compares to the first 7 years of FM before Stevie & Lindsey were hired.

you know, since there was no social media in the 70s and 80s, it's hard to know. maybe she is. :nod:

think of it in the light of all the new info we've been getting in the last few years (since 2009 really) on how Stevie is holding up their latest album for 7 years now already. and still, so many of the long time FM fans are saying it's just how FM is, they take a long time to record, LB is to blame for taking too long with the production etc - when it's so obviously Stevie holding it up. we cannot really discount she was to blame in the earlier years too (solo carrier coming first?), it just never floated on the surface since we didn't have the access to all the info we have now. the only info we had was their promotional interviews.


now about your point that Mick can put an end to it but he / managers want money that's in touring of the whole band over new creativity, that might be easily true. but also, we don't know their contracts. maybe Stevie has contractual power to prevent them from putting out an album without her and it would be a long protracted legal battle if they tried? who knows, hard to tell. there are so many possibilities and so much we don't know.

[Macfanforever]

Money is in touring as I see it and the same for promoters and probably the band.There is no radio outlet for older bands.They cant compete with with Bieber and his young peers.FM always lacks in popping out albums and thats including it members solo works which that is another topic.Other artists and bands pop out albums bi yearly and have no 1 hits from each album.FM only has one number 1 hit to their credit.I cant finger point any of the members of FM of having a low output but I can blame the complete outfit for the low output.I figure by now us fans know this problem with this band and be used to of their slow doings of things.I love to see the band active for years to come and doubt if they pack it in after 2017,2018 or 2019.As we are worried .I do understand the point about their biological clock is ticking away and us fans like to see the last effort of their work.Also I doubt Mick will say anything to fans at his Q&As about the project.I cant blame him for not saying anything and he dont want it to come back and bite him in the a$$.

[aleuzzi]

We fans have every right to be pissed. Two years ago, Lindsey and Christine advertised their new music as "profound" and got everyone looking forward to a new album that would come out after the tour. The tour went longer than expected, and now we're in this limbo, wondering how much longer we will have to wait to hear that "new" music. They sold it to us. We bought it. Without ever hearing it.

The fact is, if it's there and it's nearly done, then finish the damn record and put it out. We've all waited decades. Decades. Enough.

[michelej1]

you know, since there was no social media in the 70s and 80s, it's hard to know. maybe she is. :nod:



There were magazine and audio interviews and it's pretty clear that Lindsey was responsible for the drought from 1982-1987. Michele

[michelej1]

2017. So, if we had any glimmer of hope that maybe we might get TWO albums from them when Christine re-joined the band, that hope is gone. This is the death knell. We just have to pray every night that they (and we) live until 2017. Years wasted.

Michele

[michelej1]

The quality comes and goes, but this is the entirety of Mick's M&G in Sydney - the bit about the tour comes about nineteen minutes in, I believe.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/dfo77mhlf8e23a3/Mick_M%26G_%28March_2015%29.mp3

This is great. Thank you, Nicole.

Michele

[elle]

There were magazine and audio interviews and it's pretty clear that Lindsey was responsible for the drought from 1982-1987. Michele

yeah? i'd love to learn more, this topic and what was going on has been really interesting to me in the light of the last 7 years.

i'm guessing Lindsey must have been giving interviews that he doesn't want to work with FM and wants to go solo? he did release some solo stuff, but only 1 album in that period, in 1984.

meanwhile i'm guessing Stevie must have been giving interviews how she wants to go back to FM and does not want to keep supporting her explosive solo carrier at the time. weren't those her biggest solo years? i'm guessing since Lindsey doesn't want to record with FM she had to keep putting out solo albums in 1983 and 1985, all the while hoping she'd instead record with FM?

Christine released solo album in 1984, i have no idea whether she wanted to or was just waiting for Mac.

i'm guessing they all must have toured too between 1982 and 1987.

[secret love]

I'm dying to hear the new songs Lindsey, Christine, Mick and John recorded. I don't know why they don't release just one or two songs as a teaser. What's up with that? I really want to hear Carnival Begin. I'm trying to guess how the lyrics might go. There is a line in a Human Nature song "Let the carnival begin, every pleasure, every sin" which would fit the theme of Christine returning to the band and touring, but I don't think she would plagiarize another song.

Maybe it could go something like this:

Let the carnival begin
I don't want to miss a thing
I've been gone so long
And now I feel so strong
Let the carnival begin
I no longer live in fear
I'm back, I don't want to be anywhere but here!

[MikeVielhaber]

I'm dying to hear the new songs Lindsey, Christine, Mick and John recorded. I don't know why they don't release just one or two songs as a teaser. What's up with that? I really want to hear Carnival Begin. I'm trying to guess how the lyrics might go. There is a line in a Human Nature song "Let the carnival begin, every pleasure, every sin" which would fit the theme of Christine returning to the band and touring, but I don't think she would plagiarize another song.

Maybe it could go something like this:

Let the carnival begin
I don't want to miss a thing
I've been gone so long
And now I feel so strong
Let the carnival begin
I no longer live in fear
I'm back, I don't want to be anywhere but here!

Even if they were inclined to give sneak peaks, I'm sure they won't because they plan on including Stevie on these songs. They aren't going to show us an incomplete song.

[MikeVielhaber]

yeah? i'd love to learn more, this topic and what was going on has been really interesting to me in the light of the last 7 years.

i'm guessing Lindsey must have been giving interviews that he doesn't want to work with FM and wants to go solo? he did release some solo stuff, but only 1 album in that period, in 1984.

meanwhile i'm guessing Stevie must have been giving interviews how she wants to go back to FM and does not want to keep supporting her explosive solo carrier at the time. weren't those her biggest solo years? i'm guessing since Lindsey doesn't want to record with FM she had to keep putting out solo albums in 1983 and 1985, all the while hoping she'd instead record with FM?

Christine released solo album in 1984, i have no idea whether she wanted to or was just waiting for Mac.

i'm guessing they all must have toured too between 1982 and 1987.

Lindsey only put out one album in that time frame, but his follow up was used as the basis for Tango in the Night.

[Macfan4life]

yeah? i'd love to learn more, this topic and what was going on has been really interesting to me in the light of the last 7 years.

i'm guessing Lindsey must have been giving interviews that he doesn't want to work with FM and wants to go solo? he did release some solo stuff, but only 1 album in that period, in 1984.

meanwhile i'm guessing Stevie must have been giving interviews how she wants to go back to FM and does not want to keep supporting her explosive solo carrier at the time. weren't those her biggest solo years? i'm guessing since Lindsey doesn't want to record with FM she had to keep putting out solo albums in 1983 and 1985, all the while hoping she'd instead record with FM?

Christine released solo album in 1984, i have no idea whether she wanted to or was just waiting for Mac.

i'm guessing they all must have toured too between 1982 and 1987.
Stevie and Chris were working on their solo stuff in 1982. That was one reason the Mirage tour was so short. Mick talks about this in his first book. There is an interview with Chris in 1982 where she talks about her upcoming solo album where she wanted to do a few cover songs on it.

[nicole21290]

From the Melbourne M&G.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FLEETWOOD MAC 2017 TOUR UPDATE: Mick clarified to me that by &quot;last tour&quot; he meant huge world tour. He also assured me that stevie is ready.</p>&mdash; Daily Fleetwood (@dailyfleetwood) <a href="https://twitter.com/dailyfleetwood/status/714799883601977345">March 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[elle]

From the Melbourne M&G.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FLEETWOOD MAC 2017 TOUR UPDATE: Mick clarified to me that by &quot;last tour&quot; he meant huge world tour. He also assured me that stevie is ready.</p>&mdash; Daily Fleetwood (@dailyfleetwood) <a href="https://twitter.com/dailyfleetwood/status/714799883601977345">March 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Stevie is ready for what? massive tour in 2017? i don't think that was what we were interested in, he said as much at your m&g.

what about the album? is Stevie going to record with them this april-may?

[elle]

Stevie and Chris were working on their solo stuff in 1982. That was one reason the Mirage tour was so short. Mick talks about this in his first book. There is an interview with Chris in 1982 where she talks about her upcoming solo album where she wanted to do a few cover songs on it.

thanks!

i also found this interview with Chris from that time (on Nicole's blog, thanks Nicole! :wavey:) where she talks about her solo album, and how all Mac members were helping her on it, except Stevie who was busy with her own stuff and was the only FM member Chris hasn't seen for a year.

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54a0b8bbe4b0d0fb32514fed/t/55a51a56e4b08dcc060b99ee/1436883542116/Song+1984.pdf

[jbrownsjr]

Cool interview, thanks for posting.

[michelej1]

yeah? i'd love to learn more, this topic and what was going on has been really interesting to me in the light of the last 7 years.

i'm guessing Lindsey must have been giving interviews that he doesn't want to work with FM and wants to go solo? he did release some solo stuff, but only 1 album in that period, in 1984.



Even around the time of the SYW tour, Stevie was saying that Lindsey basically quit the band after Mirage. Lindsey denied it. They were being jointly interviewed and she said he quit the band and he corrected her.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

Even around the time of the SYW tour, Stevie was saying that Lindsey basically quit the band after Mirage. Lindsey denied it. They were being jointly interviewed and she said he quit the band and he corrected her.

Michele

In what context? Or, was she joking around?

[FuzzyPlum]

So you think she'll quite doing nothing?

Well, when you put it like that...:shrug:
If there's nothing to tie her in then rather than sitting around waiting maybe Christine will look to do something else...take the lead vocals for AC/DC perhaps. Axl Rose has a similar voice to CM these days.

I'd like to see Christine make better use of her songwriting skills; if Fleetwood Mac aren't going to use them then I'd love to see her write go away and write for a musical.

[elle]

Even around the time of the SYW tour, Stevie was saying that Lindsey basically quit the band after Mirage. Lindsey denied it. They were being jointly interviewed and she said he quit the band and he corrected her.

Michele

ah interesting. sounds like yet another one of those "he says / she says" issues. unless Lindsey was claiming he was leaving the band (seems that's not the case, but exactly the opposite?) i'd probably tend to believe more some neutral opinions like that Christine interview where she said Stevie was nowhere around the band at the time.

maybe they will end up putting out another Christine solo album like they did that time back in 1984? :shrug:

[michelej1]

In what context? Or, was she joking around?

She wasn't joking. I guess in her mind she thought he had quit. I'm not sure ... that may have been the interview where she called him "honey." I would have to find it.

Michele

[michelej1]

ah interesting. sounds like yet another one of those "he says / she says" issues. unless Lindsey was claiming he was leaving the band (seems that's not the case, but exactly the opposite?) i'd probably tend to believe more some neutral opinions like that Christine interview where she said Stevie was nowhere around the band at the time.



Ok, it was the Australian 1984:

"Things are better now than they used to be," says Nicks. "In the old days we were angry with each other and didn't like each other. We had to go on stage and play. It was all about dirty looks and not having much fun. That's partly to do with why Lindsey left the band in '83."

"Eighty-seven," interjects Buckingham and, as if on cue, there follows a few minutes of intense discussion between them about just when the guitarist was in the band and when he wasn't.

"But honey, you really left in '83, you only came back to do [the album] Tango in the Night in 1987. You didn't tour."

"No, no, I was in the band until 1987," he insists, and suddenly it's as if only the two of them are in the room. "I was there for the whole thing. I produced the album and then I pulled out for the tour because it was just too crazy."

Nicks gives this a few seconds' thought.

"I thought you pretty much left. Oh, I can't even remember," she concedes.

[jbrownsjr]

Ok, it was the Australian 1984:

She didn't even remember making that album....

[DauphineMarie]

She didn't even remember making that album....

Really though she's not wrong.. Lindsey started "Tango" as a solo album, with no intention for everyone to get involved because everyone was already busy with their own solo projects. It wasn't for a while until everyone decided it was going to be a FM album.

[Macfanforever]

OH my god.Reading this is like watching the Dem/Rep Debates.
One day they say one thing and the other day they say something else.

Thanks again Nicole for the audio.I would not take his words as a finish FM schedule game plan since things change monthly with things.

[elle]

Really though she's not wrong.. Lindsey started "Tango" as a solo album, with no intention for everyone to get involved because everyone was already busy with their own solo projects. It wasn't for a while until everyone decided it was going to be a FM album.

according to your analysis Stevie was/is hiding from reality in some sort of rich celebrity cocoon, which probably makes some sense.

years between 1981 and 1987 were the most successful and busy re her solo carrier and craziest re her drug use.

Tango has nothing to do with the wait period, it came at the very end of it - they were waiting for Stevie to do Mirage, and sounds like they didn't see her much if at all after Mirage tour through 1984. in 1984 Lindsey was talking about working on another FM record. sounds familiar? wonder what happened??

[michelej1]

In Mick's book he writes that he was trying to get the Tango album so they could tour and he could make money. He was broke. He said,

I have to say from the outset, Stevie's people were great. Mick's in a jam, they said. How can we help him? John McVie said he would be there. Christine said she was in. Lindsey Buckingham alone was fairly reticent about FM. He was enjoying his hard-won independence and deep into his own album with Richard Dashut. Eventually we worked to build enough momentum that we were able to convince Lindsey that it might go off without him. When Lindsey said he was in, things went forward. Since Mr. Buckingham was immersed in his own record, we felt it necessary to bring in an outside producer for the first time in years ...

The rest is history. They got the outside producer and pretty soon Lindsey took the helm again.

Michele

[elle]

In Mick's book he writes that he was trying to get the Tango album so they could tour and he could make money. He was broke. He said,

"Stevie's people"? wonder whether it's still the same, and while the rest of the band members talk to each other, they have to talk to "Stevie's people" instead of directly to her?


i'm guessing this must have been 1985-86? so could it be that after Stevie was away busy with multiple solo albums and tours and couldn't join the band to work on the FM album between 1982 and 1985 Lindsey went off to work on the solo album, at which point some time in 1986 "Stevie's people" finally agreed for her to work with FM? and she spent the whole 2 weeks with them.

btw, i can completely understand if SN/her people decided to put her solo carrier first at the time. it makes a lot of sense. just trying to figure out if that's what happened.


nowadays, it's less understandable if she's putting her solo stuff before the band, since solo she's not very commercial anymore and it doesn't seem to be much of a creative outlet for her. possible explanation may be that unlike for example Christine who loves working with the band and feeds off the others in FM, Stevie might be annoyed with the rest of the band and being around them creates negative vibes for her. otherwise, why wouldn't she take Chris or Linds on their offers to co-write some songs together? i'm still hoping that may happen this apr-may.

[bombaysaffires]

"Stevie's people"? wonder whether it's still the same, and while the rest of the band members talk to each other, they have to talk to "Stevie's people" instead of directly to her?


i'm guessing this must have been 1985-86? so could it be that after Stevie was away busy with multiple solo albums and tours and couldn't join the band to work on the FM album between 1982 and 1985 Lindsey went off to work on the solo album, at which point some time in 1986 "Stevie's people" finally agreed for her to work with FM? and she spent the whole 2 weeks with them.

btw, i can completely understand if SN/her people decided to put her solo carrier first at the time. it makes a lot of sense. just trying to figure out if that's what happened.


nowadays, it's less understandable if she's putting her solo stuff before the band, since solo she's not very commercial anymore and it doesn't seem to be much of a creative outlet for her. possible explanation may be that unlike for example Christine who loves working with the band and feeds off the others in FM, Stevie might be annoyed with the rest of the band and being around them creates negative vibes for her. otherwise, why wouldn't she take Chris or Linds on their offers to co-write some songs together? i'm still hoping that may happen this apr-may.

Seems like.

[Macfanforever]

Who is the lead person "The Boss" of FM now.In a corporate world rules it should be Mick and John since they are partners besides the bands managers, promoters,Warner Reprise records and music consultants do some of the input.

I would love to see FM on Shark Tank or Celebrity Apprentice.Who will get fired first.

[bombaysaffires]

Who is the lead person "The Boss" of FM now.In a corporate world rules it should be Mick and John since they are partners besides the bands managers, promoters,Warner Reprise records and music consultants do some of the input.

I would love to see FM on Shark Tank or Celebrity Apprentice.Who will get fired first.

Nope. It's Stevie, maybe along with Lindsey, and then Mick, (although to hear lindsey on the last tour before Christine returned Stevie and Mick were in cahoots on stuff about that tour and were trying to force things on him).

It's based on who fills the seats, the biggest name draw, and the sharpest managers. That's Stevie's camp. Like it or not. And I'm not saying it's a good thing..but it comes down to name recognition/money

[SteveMacD]

Nope. It's Stevie, maybe along with Lindsey, and then Mick, (although to hear lindsey on the last tour before Christine returned Stevie and Mick were in cahoots on stuff about that tour and were trying to force things on him).

It's based on who fills the seats, the biggest name draw, and the sharpest managers. That's Stevie's camp. Like it or not. And I'm not saying it's a good thing..but it comes down to name recognition/money
That may have been true 1998-2013, when the only other person fronting the band had all of three hit singles, Christine returning changes that equation (shown by the increased demand for tickets for the OWTS tour). While Stevie's had a great career and has the most name recognition, a Fleetwood Mac show without Stevie (with Christine and Lindsey fronting the band) would be a bigger draw than a Stevie solo show at this point.

[Nick]

Have to be real here. With the recent deaths of rock legends Glenn Frey and David Bowie, I would think they want to get in the studio and finish this (likely final) FM album. So tired of tours at this point.

[jbrownsjr]

Have to be real here. With the recent deaths of rock legends Glenn Frey and David Bowie, I would think they want to get in the studio and finish this (likely final) FM album. So tired of tours at this point.

Agreed, they can make a final statement and shake their money makers..

[bombaysaffires]

That may have been true 1998-2013, when the only other person fronting the band had all of three hit singles, Christine returning changes that equation (shown by the increased demand for tickets for the OWTS tour). While Stevie's had a great career and has the most name recognition, a Fleetwood Mac show without Stevie (with Christine and Lindsey fronting the band) would be a bigger draw than a Stevie solo show at this point.

well sure, a FM show without any one of them would always be a bigger draw than any one of them solo these days.

But solo, Stevie would draw a bigger crowd than Christine. Not saying that's fair, but it's true.

And being such a big draw solo for so many years has given Stevie leverage within the band. The 'band politics" Lindsey always refers to.

An album without Stevie will not sell the same as an album with Stevie. Again, rightly or wrongly.

She still gets the biggest cut. She still gets to make demands and hold the band hostage if she wants. Hence they are holding off on an album because of her, even with Christine back. If Lindsey and/or Christine or Mick and John were the "boss" as the OP said, the album would be happening and they'd be able to force Stevie's hand to do it now.

I think her priorities are backwards, but maybe others disagree. Tours are nice, and they sure line your pockets, but they evaporate. If you're concerned about your musical/artistic legacy, an album does more for that as a lasting artifact for decades to come than a tour which evaporates in thin air. (yes you can video it, but really, who needs more video of the Mac doing the same old songs?)

[MikeInNV]

She still gets to make demands and hold the band hostage if she wants. Hence they are holding off on an album because of her, even with Christine back. If Lindsey and/or Christine or Mick and John were the "boss" as the OP said, the album would be happening and they'd be able to force Stevie's hand to do it now.

I have to disagree. She can only do what they let her do. They are choosing not to force her hand.

On the other hand, I agree with you about the tours. If they want to make the most of their time, they should focus on recording. New albums can be made in a few months, while a tour takes a year and a half. I wish they would finish the album this spring, promote it with a few high-profile TV spots, and maybe a one-off concert for pay TV, and then go off and do solo stuff for a while.

[olive]

I have to disagree. She can only do what they let her do. They are choosing not to force her hand.

On the other hand, I agree with you about the tours. If they want to make the most of their time, they should focus on recording. New albums can be made in a few months, while a tour takes a year and a half. I wish they would finish the album this spring, promote it with a few high-profile TV spots, and maybe a one-off concert for pay TV, and then go off and do solo stuff for a while.


Well I agree the album can be made quickly and probably will be but the tour probably be one of the biggest cash grab ,farewell tour considering everyone around them is passing away they know their time is limited ,it's going to be expensive.

[Wdm6789]

I was listening to the classic vinyl station on satellite radio and Don't Stop came on and after the song the Dj said that Mick was in Australian with his blues band and the rest of Fleetwood Mac was working on their new album.

[michelej1]

An album without Stevie will not sell the same as an album with Stevie. Again, rightly or wrongly.


But why do these people care about album sales any longer? The odds are the album is not going to sell even if it has Stevie and Peter Green on it. So, just put it out there and then tour to get money. The album isn't going to make them money.

Michele

[Macfanforever]

But why do these people care about album sales any longer? The odds are the album is not going to sell even if it has Stevie and Peter Green on it. So, just put it out there and then tour to get money. The album isn't going to make them money.

Michele

I agree 100 percent Michele.Touring is the cash cow.Why bother with albums that dont sell this day of age Only us handful of fans will buy 4 copies of it and probably wont hear a peep of radio airplay from it.To clear myself on anybody thinks that I dont want them to record.I say NO.I want a freaking bloody album too.

SYW was the last great outing for them for now.

[LB Freakazoid]

For whatever my two cents are worth... I think they are crafting like FM only knows how to do... Slowly. These are the people that have a rather short, given the years, however substantive album catelog. I really don't think they are going to hastly put something together. Regardless of SN amd LB's working relationship, she knows the magic he does to her songs - that FM thang. It just might be very important to them to put out "a cherry on the sundae" kinda album, regardless of album sales. Lindsey might agrue that point. It's about legency at this point. If it takes a little bit time, so be it. And stretching out the costs, is less painfull.

Besides, I wouldn't be surprised if we got a "making of" kinda doc also. The editing of that will take some time. The album "package" will take time. I just don't see them going out small. And big, takes time...

[bombaysaffires]

But why do these people care about album sales any longer? The odds are the album is not going to sell even if it has Stevie and Peter Green on it. So, just put it out there and then tour to get money. The album isn't going to make them money.

Michele

I'm not sure they do. I was just making the point about Stevie as a draw.

I hope they aren't focusing on album sales, coz by now they should know better.

Touring behind a new album of new music which adds to your legacy in a more lasting way is really the only way to tour again, IMHO. Who needs another golden oldies tour. But I suspect that's what we'll get.

Maybe Stevie thinks her artistic legacy will come from one more solo album. And FM is her financial legacy. :shrug:

[bombaysaffires]

I have to disagree. She can only do what they let her do. They are choosing not to force her hand.

On the other hand, I agree with you about the tours. If they want to make the most of their time, they should focus on recording. New albums can be made in a few months, while a tour takes a year and a half. I wish they would finish the album this spring, promote it with a few high-profile TV spots, and maybe a one-off concert for pay TV, and then go off and do solo stuff for a while.

well, ok, fair enough.. they let her get away with it so she gets away with it.

But who knows how the contracts are written? Who knows who has to agree to what before things can be done? Knowing Stevie's team I'm sure there's all sorts of stuff in there.

What scares me is how she was always going on about the whole "we have to go away for 3 years and do other stuff and then come back again"....I hope the hell she's not trying to work that angle this time. Who knows who'll be around still in 3 years.

[nicepace]

But solo, Stevie would draw a bigger crowd than Christine. Not saying that's fair, but it's true.

I don't think that's necessarily true. A solo Christine show would have the novelty element to attract a crowd. People would be interested because there have been no Chris solo shows in over 30 years.

Look at how many people went to see FM last year just because Chris had rejoined. I think she's a bigger draw than a lot of Stevie fans like to admit.

[jbrownsjr]

I don't think that's necessarily true. A solo Christine show would have the novelty element to attract a crowd. People would be interested because there have been no Chris solo shows in over 30 years.

Look at how many people went to see FM last year just because Chris had rejoined. I think she's a bigger draw than a lot of Stevie fans like to admit.

It's very hard for some people to swallow that Christine gave the band it's breath of fresh air and brought so many fans back. I think 2013 would have been the last tour if she had not come back. The numbers were good, but with Christine they went through the stratosphere.

[Macfanforever]

Stevie always the bread winner next to Lindsey coming in at second for this band.Chris as of now renew the FM experience for the younger generations to enjoy the band like us old fans did in the 1970's.Also Chris gave the Mac a major boost in tix sales with her coming back to the band.I wonder what would happen if the B&N combo have not jump on the FM train in 1975.Where FM would be today .

[jbrownsjr]

Stevie always the bread winner next to Lindsey coming in at second for this band.Chris as of now renew the FM experience for the younger generations to enjoy the band like us old fans did in the 1970's.Also Chris gave the Mac a major boost in tix sales with her coming back to the band.I wonder what would happen if the B&N combo have not jump on the FM train in 1975.Where FM would be today .

B/N would be waiting tables and FMac would be selling insurance or investments...

[elle]

She still gets the biggest cut. She still gets to make demands and hold the band hostage if she wants. Hence they are holding off on an album because of her, even with Christine back. If Lindsey and/or Christine or Mick and John were the "boss" as the OP said, the album would be happening and they'd be able to force Stevie's hand to do it now.

you know, i'm starting to think that now too. for a long time, i thought it was just that they are unwilling to outright fire her, and also that they wanted to make sure they can still have these huge cash grab tours. and i'm sure there's a lot of that in their thinking.

but especially reading that "Stevie's people" quote, it got me thinking maybe there's something contractual that's stopping them from even considering releasing the album they almost have in the can as a FM if SN is not on there; that it's not all emotions, love and cash grabs.

last week's episode of Vinyl had a plot line about Elvis doing Vegas shows and basically not getting to make any career decisions on his own, being a bit like Colonel Parker's puppet. got me thinking about "Stevie's people" and how does decision making go in her camp. and Lindsey's recent lyrics about not getting through to the person behind her current facade ("It may be you don't remember me but I remember you"). and somebody here analyzing SN and saying how she doesn't live in reality. convoluted i know... and probably doesn't make much sense. :shrug:

[bombaysaffires]

you know, i'm starting to think that now too. for a long time, i thought it was just that they are unwilling to outright fire her, and also that they wanted to make sure they can still have these huge cash grab tours. and i'm sure there's a lot of that in their thinking.

but especially reading that "Stevie's people" quote, it got me thinking maybe there's something contractual that's stopping them from even considering releasing the album they almost have in the can as a FM if SN is not on there; that it's not all emotions, love and cash grabs.

last week's episode of Vinyl had a plot line about Elvis doing Vegas shows and basically not getting to make any career decisions on his own, being a bit like Colonel Parker's puppet. got me thinking about "Stevie's people" and how does decision making go in her camp. and Lindsey's recent lyrics about not getting through to the person behind her current facade ("It may be you don't remember me but I remember you"). and somebody here analyzing SN and saying how she doesn't live in reality. convoluted i know... and probably doesn't make much sense. :shrug:

makes sense to me and I'm a huge Stevie fan.

There's the mythology and romanticized version of being in a band that performers like to perpetuate (and Stevie in particular) but it's a *business* a nitty-gritty, down and dirty dog-eat-dog *business* once you get big and famous. It's not the same thing as a bunch of people who like each other getting together anymore. A lot of FM fans though don't want to see beyond that facade-- and the band (most of them) don't *want* us to see that side. But it's there in force in this band. Lindsey is the only one who really alludes to it with his refs to "band politics" and such. But even he walks a thin line :sorry: because if Stevie's feathers get too ruffled it makes everyone's life hell. I will go don my suit of armor now for the onslaught.:rolleyes:

[jbrownsjr]

makes sense to me and I'm a huge Stevie fan.

There's the mythology and romanticized version of being in a band that performers like to perpetuate (and Stevie in particular) but it's a *business* a nitty-gritty, down and dirty dog-eat-dog *business* once you get big and famous. It's not the same thing as a bunch of people who like each other getting together anymore. A lot of FM fans though don't want to see beyond that facade-- and the band (most of them) don't *want* us to see that side. But it's there in force in this band. Lindsey is the only one who really alludes to it with his refs to "band politics" and such. But even he walks a thin line :sorry: because if Stevie's feathers get too ruffled it makes everyone's life hell. I will go don my suit of armor now for the onslaught.:rolleyes:

You are so right. People think that what they do on stage is indicative of what they do in their personal lives and that couldn't be farther from the truth. It's all a business and it's art. And while they do have a musical chemistry between the five of them, they don't hang out or have relationships beyond touring and studio.

The politics has indeed been there since 1982 ish. And you better believe the words were said, "well if I don't get my way, I'm leaving!!" and that sentence was said over and over again. I often thought when Christine left it was in part because of the politics. You can only handle so much immature behavior. And Christine don't play.

[MikeInNV]

you know, i'm starting to think that now too. for a long time, i thought it was just that they are unwilling to outright fire her, and also that they wanted to make sure they can still have these huge cash grab tours. and i'm sure there's a lot of that in their thinking.

but especially reading that "Stevie's people" quote, it got me thinking maybe there's something contractual that's stopping them from even considering releasing the album they almost have in the can as a FM if SN is not on there; that it's not all emotions, love and cash grabs.

last week's episode of Vinyl had a plot line about Elvis doing Vegas shows and basically not getting to make any career decisions on his own, being a bit like Colonel Parker's puppet. got me thinking about "Stevie's people" and how does decision making go in her camp. and Lindsey's recent lyrics about not getting through to the person behind her current facade ("It may be you don't remember me but I remember you"). and somebody here analyzing SN and saying how she doesn't live in reality. convoluted i know... and probably doesn't make much sense. :shrug:

What is the "Stevie's people" quote? Did someone besides a Ledgie use that term?

[elle]

What is the "Stevie's people" quote? Did someone besides a Ledgie use that term?

it came from Mick's book.

it's quoted somewhere in these threads. something about Mick needing agreement from Stevie's people, John, Christine, and Lindsey, in order to get a tour or album together back in the 80s.

a ledgie used it?

[paleshadow]

if Stevie's feathers get too ruffled it makes everyone's life hell. I will go don my suit of armor now for the onslaught.:rolleyes:

You're right. I would say she's my favorite performer in the band, but I never understood the blinders people have regarding her ways. There are fans who think if she recorded herself passing gas it should go platinum. :shrug:

[olive]

You're right. I would say she's my favorite performer in the band, but I never understood the blinders people have regarding her ways. There are fans who think if she recorded herself passing gas it should go platinum. :shrug:

they bought into the ethereal witch persona her PR team create an the media sold along with poor self esteem / celebrity worship syndrome coupled with this
http://time.com/3858309/attention-spans-goldfish/

[HomerMcvie]

For the record, I have been here for about 15 years(I lurked before my join date), and I have saved nearly every crazy pic and meme that has ever been posted here.

[jbrownsjr]

Let's hope we get some album news!!

[PenguinHead]

But why do these people care about album sales any longer?
Michele

Of course every artist hopes for their work to be received well and become commercially viable. But we're talking about a world-wide, esteemed fifty-something year-old band. I believe they are well aware of their place in today's market. They shouldn't expect the chart-busting sales from days past. However, given this significant circumstance (where this will likely the last new music from such a historic band), it's reasonable to assume the album will succeed in major markets throughout the worl. I hope the music on their farewell album is approached with less emphasis on trying to be being current/commercial, and more about being seamless/timeless. They really have nothing to lose now.

[BigAl84]

I think most members are aware of their place in today's market, I think the real grey area is how some members (ok probably one member in mind...) choose to accept that reality & how they choose to let their ego be affected by it.

[jbrownsjr]

I think if they did a new album and toured it, it would do really well. It's all in the marketing.

[SteveMacD]

But solo, Stevie would draw a bigger crowd than Christine. Not saying that's fair, but it's true.

Well of course. Stevie was able to create a career independent/outside of Fleetwood Mac, thanks largely to hit duets with Kenny Loggins, Tom Petty, and Don Henley. Christine and Lindsey didn't do that. Christine's public persona is especially enmeshed with Fleetwood Mac, hence why, regardless of her relative lack of name recognition, ticket sales were so much higher with her than without her.

And being such a big draw solo for so many years has given Stevie leverage within the band. The 'band politics" Lindsey always refers to.
Except that her popularity as a solo artist has waned over the past decade. Yeah, she had more leverage between 1998-2013, when the only other person fronting the band only had three hit singles. That's not the case now.


An album without Stevie will not sell the same as an album with Stevie. Again, rightly or wrongly
The days of hit records are long behind them, Stevie or no.


She still gets the biggest cut.
Source?

She still gets to make demands and hold the band hostage if she wants.
Source?

Stevie lost a lot of leverage with Christine's return. The band can easily function without her. They'd rather not, because that five-piece is a rock legend, but Stevie and her people would be wise to humble themselves a little.

[James89]

This arguement always seems to come up and I'm not sure why because as a five-piece band they are fantastic and we should just be grateful that they are still here and in fine shape.

BUT. The fact is, if Stevie Nicks left the band there is no way that the band would sell as many concert tickets or albums. And that is not opinion, that is fact. Now let's not bring this up again because it's pointless!

[Hawkeye]

I think most members are aware of their place in today's market, I think the real grey area is how some members (ok probably one member in mind...) choose to accept that reality & how they choose to let their ego be affected by it.

I hear you. John should just stick to playing bass and stop stressing over useless sales info!

[SteveMacD]

This arguement always seems to come up and I'm not sure why because as a five-piece band they are fantastic and we should just be grateful that they are still here and in fine shape.

BUT. The fact is, if Stevie Nicks left the band there is no way that the band would sell as many concert tickets or albums. And that is not opinion, that is fact. Now let's not bring this up again because it's pointless!
Why? Because, for a decade and a half, we've heard nothing but how Fleetwood Mac couldn't function, how it would be "Time 2.0" without Stevie.

Yet the most recent tour calls that into question.

Nobody is saying it would be as major without Stevie. However, it's now possible without her.

BTW, if Stevie went on ET and said something about recording a new album with Fleetwood Mac, there wouldn't be an issue.

[Hawkeye]

Micks recent shows were such a,missed opputlrtunity to finally get some info. All that was mentioned was when they would tour next why the he'll didn't somebody ask about the albums status!

[nicole21290]

Micks recent shows were such a,missed opputlrtunity to finally get some info. All that was mentioned was when they would tour next why the he'll didn't somebody ask about the albums status!

I literally tried FIVE times, and before two words got out each time, I was spoken over by other fans wanting to ask what advice Mick would give young drummers, etc... 😄

[BigAl84]

I hear you. John should just stick to playing bass and stop stressing over useless sales info!

HAHA! oh yeah, gotta watch John that drama queen....:p

[BigAl84]

I literally tried FIVE times, and before two words got out each time, I was spoken over by other fans wanting to ask what advice Mick would give young drummers, etc... 😄

Hey you tried, it's all good. I'm glad we at least got the info you were able to get!

[michelej1]

I literally tried FIVE times, and before two words got out each time, I was spoken over by other fans wanting to ask what advice Mick would give young drummers, etc... 😄

LOL. Even if I was a young drummer, I don't think I'd ask that question. Michele

[michelej1]

I hear you. John should just stick to playing bass and stop stressing over useless sales info!

Been a prima donna ever since he insisted they put Crystal on the album.

Michele

[Kubrick2788]

I take some time away from the board and I miss all the good fart jokes! Anyway...looking forward to whatever they come up with, whenever that is. 2017 isn't all that far away for another go round. If it actually IS the last one I might even travel to see a handful. Even with a new album though there will be what, 3 or 4 songs swapped out for new ones? Don't shoot me, but I'd rather hear the ones that didn't make the cut for OWTS...

[MikeVielhaber]

I take some time away from the board and I miss all the good fart jokes! Anyway...looking forward to whatever they come up with, whenever that is. 2017 isn't all that far away for another go round. If it actually IS the last one I might even travel to see a handful. Even with a new album though there will be what, 3 or 4 songs swapped out for new ones? Don't shoot me, but I'd rather hear the ones that didn't make the cut for OWTS...

The point is to have the new album, not how it affects the tour. I'd rather have a new album then hear a few extra old tunes, or any old tunes, in concert. The top priority for me is to get new music from this group before they call it quits.

[louielouie2000]

The point is to have the new album, not how it affects the tour. I'd rather have a new album then hear a few extra old tunes, or any old tunes, in concert. The top priority for me is to get new music from this group before they call it quits.

http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1551/15517906/2882473-8979705387-Preac.jpg

[aleuzzi]

The point is to have the new album, not how it affects the tour. I'd rather have a new album then hear a few extra old tunes, or any old tunes, in concert. The top priority for me is to get new music from this group before they call it quits.

Yes yes yes yes yes. I am so sick of this band rehashing its story, glorifying music that is decades old. Sure, I love that music, but they seriously need new stuff. I can't believe it is so damn difficult for them to get their collective act together. When I consider how much new material acts like Bonnie Raitt have out out since 1995 I get nauseous thinking about the years and years that have passed with little-to-no progress on new Mac music.

[FuzzyPlum]

Yes yes yes yes yes. I am so sick of this band rehashing its story, glorifying music that is decades old. Sure, I love that music, but they seriously need new stuff. I can't believe it is so damn difficult for them to get their collective act together. When I consider how much new material acts like Bonnie Raitt have out out since 1995 I get nauseous thinking about the years and years that have passed with little-to-no progress on new Mac music.

http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/3846294f-2b69-4da0-8529-d0ec55685d07/ac0eacd7-601e-428f-88fc-8e64b143881f.jpg

When I'm ready honey

[Macfanforever]

Maybe Fox News Megyn Kelly could rip out some answers about whats up with this album with a knockout interview with the Mac since nobody else in the media can.

[olive]

Maybe Fox News Megyn Kelly could rip out some answers about whats up with this album with a knockout interview with the Mac since nobody else in the media can.

Let's hope not. , but maybe the loss of so many of their friends and colleagues they make a firm decision to carry on properly, or end it and enjoy life and do their own thing

[elle]

well, if anyone was wondering whether FM was in the studio -

Mick was in Aus / NZ (possibly in the studio with Neil Finn some of that time) and Lindsey has also been in the studio for the last 2 or so weeks, but not with FM - with Empire of the Sun.

[michelej1]

Lindsey has also been in the studio for the last 2 or so weeks, but not with FM - with Empire of the Sun.

Nice!

Michele

[Kubrick2788]

I'm scared to google and find out what Empire of the Sun is...do they also do whispery lyriced, fast picked acoustic songs...?

Oh no...I googled...this could be something.

[mitzo]

So the guys are in studios doing other stuff, and Stevie is nowhere to be found. No new FM album.

[aleuzzi]

So the guys are in studios doing other stuff, and Stevie is nowhere to be found. No new FM album.

Meanwhile, 8 or 9 songs no one has ever heard languish...

This is so frustrating.

[jbrownsjr]

Meanwhile, 8 or 9 songs no one has ever heard languish...

This is so frustrating.

They are rotting on a shelf. Artistically speaking.

[sue]

Why, don't they realise...given current climate...that anyone of them, could pop off any time.
They are all in the seventyish area..

Then they would not be recording as FM...it would be FM minus one.
Or not at all, if their recording company sees fit.

[jbrownsjr]

Why, don't they realise...given current climate...that anyone of them, could pop off any time.
They are all in the seventyish area..

Then they would not be recording as FM...it would be FM minus one.
Or not at all, if their recording company sees fit.

It's a valid point. It's been on my mind, too.

[secondhandchain]

I think it's VERY telling that we know the date of another new cash grab tour and DON'T know the date of a new album. DISGUSTING!

[BlueDenimLamp]

So the guys are in studios doing other stuff, and Stevie is nowhere to be found. No new FM album.

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Looks like she's been found :nod:

[elle]

Looks like she's been found :nod:

lol i was gonna be positive and try to say maybe they are waiting while she's working on her demos for new songs to contribute to FM album, but it doesn't look like it.

[pattyfan]

What the heck is that????? :)


Kevin

[Macfanforever]

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Looks like she's been found :nod:


I'm not worried.I hope she hits the road for a little solo tour in the meantime.

[WayOfTheDragon]

Before now, I never was one to beat the drum of "they only have so much time left"... but my favorite musician, Prince, died last week, and just a couple days before that happened, I was anticipating the next time I was going to see him in concert, thinking he would be in my town in a matter of months (or weeks!).

Releasing new music is not a priority for Fleetwood Mac. Either that, or they are in major denial about their ages, or both.

I hope that Christine will release another solo album, while she is still here and in good health. And that Lindsey will too, followed by a Christine & Lindsey tour of small theaters.

[jbrownsjr]

lol i was gonna be positive and try to say maybe they are waiting while she's working on her demos for new songs to contribute to FM album, but it doesn't look like it.

The new demos that she's written... lol

[nicepace]

I hope that Christine will release another solo album ..... And that Lindsey will too, followed by a Christine & Lindsey tour of small theaters.

That would be much more exciting for me than a new FM album and/or another oldies tour. If we can believe what was said about the new material when Christine and Lindsey were in the studio together, they still have that fire.

[jbrownsjr]

That would be much more exciting for me than a new FM album and/or another oldies tour. If we can believe what was said about the new material when Christine and Lindsey were in the studio together, they still have that fire.

They sure do have that fire. I could feel the excitement reading the interviews. Buckingham/McVie is fantastic to my ears.

[MikeVielhaber]

That would be much more exciting for me than a new FM album and/or another oldies tour. If we can believe what was said about the new material when Christine and Lindsey were in the studio together, they still have that fire.

Why would Lindsey and Christine be more exciting than Lindsey, Christine, Mick and John? There's no better drummer and bassist they could work with and with them they are Fleetwood Mac. The new material I'm sure had a spark in large part due to the rhythm section.

[lennonfan]

like most of you I've been waiting for new music from the fabulous 5 for what seems like 100 years now...

[jbrownsjr]

Why would Lindsey and Christine be more exciting than Lindsey, Christine, Mick and John? There's no better drummer and bassist they could work with and with them they are Fleetwood Mac. The new material I'm sure had a spark in large part due to the rhythm section.

I don't believe John was there. And I think Nicepace is referring to the articles where both LB and CM stated how magical it was to work together again. They weren't sure how it would come off due to the long break between CM and FM.

[aleuzzi]

Those articles got me really excited. Two years on, I'm disgusted. If they go on tour without new music, I'm done.

[Nick]

like most of you I've been waiting for new music from the fabulous 5 for what seems like 100 years now...

With the "Mirage" reissue coming in June, let's hope we hear something (anything!) regarding this new album. I can't see them scrapping it, but maybe a late 2016 or early 2017 release. Time is marching on....

[aleuzzi]

With the "Mirage" reissue coming in June, let's hope we hear something (anything!) regarding this new album. I can't see them scrapping it, but maybe a late 2016 or early 2017 release. Time is marching on....

Don't we deserve more than hoping to "hear something"? These people drive me nuts! And so many of Stevie's fans on her forum are saying she sounds so much better without FM and is happier without FM.Fine. That may be true. But then quit the damn band and everyone else move the eff on. New music. Nothing else is real at this point without that new music.

[Nick]

Don't we deserve more than hoping to "hear something"? These people drive me nuts! And so many of Stevie's fans on her forum are saying she sounds so much better without FM and is happier without FM.Fine. That may be true. But then quit the damn band and everyone else move the eff on. New music. Nothing else is real at this point without that new music.

Totally agree that we need to hear something. I'm not interested in the concerts, I'm satisfied from seeing them in 2014. I want the new music!

[nicepace]

Why would Lindsey and Christine be more exciting than Lindsey, Christine, Mick and John? There's no better drummer and bassist they could work with and with them they are Fleetwood Mac. The new material I'm sure had a spark in large part due to the rhythm section.

Absolutely! I didn't mean to imply I wanted to hear Chris & Lindsey without John and Mick. The only Fleetwood Mac member I am happy to do without is, well, the one not mentioned in this paragraph.

[jbrownsjr]

^^^^^^^^ who?

[secondhandchain]

...time marches on and Stevie's voice lowers another octave.

[HomerMcvie]

You know, it's like you guys are just coming here to hate on....the one who won't commit to making new music. I mean, WTF?

I LOVE Lindsey, Christine, John and Mick.

Y'all just rude!!!!:angel:

[lennonfan]

I will patiently continue to wait since we have the Mirage box coming in the meantime and it's surround, which is how I like my Mac when possible:)
In addition to Rumours being my first cd purchase in 1983, this album was also my first DVD-Audio purchase. I wish all their albums would be released in surround.

[aleuzzi]

I will patiently continue to wait since we have the Mirage box coming in the meantime and it's surround, which is how I like my Mac when possible:)
In addition to Rumours being my first cd purchase in 1983, this album was also my first DVD-Audio purchase. I wish all their albums would be released in surround.

It's a gift, to be sure. But it's not enough. It would be great icing on a cake that the band has not yet baked. Or something like that.

[jbrownsjr]

It's a gift, to be sure. But it's not enough. It would be great icing on a cake that the band has not yet baked. Or something like that.

They will finish it. Linsdey will make sure of it.

[aleuzzi]

They will finish it. Linsdey will make sure of it.

When? I don't want to wait another year or two. This is so ridiculous.

[olive]

When? I don't want to wait another year or two. This is so ridiculous.

they know time is of the essence , they are not going to wait .

I predict something in the late fall ,to cash in on putting tickets on sale for a 2017 tour , a few weeks before Christmas when people have no issue going into debt .

[MikeVielhaber]

they know time is of the essence , they are not going to wait .

I predict something in the late fall ,to cash in on putting tickets on sale for a 2017 tour , a few weeks before Christmas when people have no issue going into debt .

How do you know what their priorities are? They haven't made any indication of a reluctance to wait.

[olive]

How do you know what their priorities are? They haven't made any indication of a reluctance to wait.

everyone one else gets to ,so I thought I give it a try


if I had to guess what their priorities are i would say it is safe to say MONEY the same thing it has always been

but I am not going to get all worked up over it

[mitzo]

It is now May 2016. Nothing whatsoever going on with an album. I expected as much.

[jbrownsjr]

It's hard to believe. And then again, it's not.

[secondhandchain]

There ISN'T going to be a new album, because there is no money in it. They want the cash (especially Stevie). So they'll string us along with a "possible" new album BS. I bet the new stuff isn't as good as they had hoped. So disappointed. We would have heard something by now. Instead we now do know when there will be a new tour. UGH!!!!

[bombaysaffires]

There ISN'T going to be a new album, because there is no money in it. They want the cash (especially Stevie). So they'll string us along with a "possible" new album BS. I bet the new stuff isn't as good as they had hoped. So disappointed. We would have heard something by now. Instead we now do know when there will be a new tour. UGH!!!!

yep. 'cept ya can't take it with ya...... but your music will live on 4-evah.

Dipsh%ts.

[sue]

There ISN'T going to be a new album, because there is no money in it. They want the cash (especially Stevie). So they'll string us along with a "possible" new album BS. I bet the new stuff isn't as good as they had hoped. So disappointed. We would have heard something by now. Instead we now do know when there will be a new tour. UGH!!!!

Why do you say "especially Stevie"...I'm not disagreeing, but why her particularly ?

[Jondalar]

There ISN'T going to be a new album, because there is no money in it. They want the cash (especially Stevie). So they'll string us along with a "possible" new album BS. I bet the new stuff isn't as good as they had hoped. So disappointed. We would have heard something by now. Instead we now do know when there will be a new tour. UGH!!!!

This is sort of a dumb comment. They don't need the money. They are rich and Stevie is especially loaded. They are also old. Legacy is more important than money.

My guess is Stevie has heard Lindsey's and Chistine's songs and knows she can't compete. This is going to be another Tango in the Night and Stevie is going to look bad.

[FuzzyPlum]

Just to go back in time a bit...I'm pretty sure somebody on here said that according to Mick they were going into the studio at the end of May. I recall somebody saying he told them at a m&g.

Of course they want an album. Lindsey and Christine want to put out a Fleetwood Mac album more than anything else in the world right now- profit or no profit.

[MikeVielhaber]

There ISN'T going to be a new album, because there is no money in it. They want the cash (especially Stevie). So they'll string us along with a "possible" new album BS. I bet the new stuff isn't as good as they had hoped. So disappointed. We would have heard something by now. Instead we now do know when there will be a new tour. UGH!!!!

What do you mean not as good as they'd hoped? They've already heard the new stuff and they loved it. All those positive comments they made about it didn't happen before they created the music.

[JohnL]

This is sort of a dumb comment. They don't need the money. They are rich and Stevie is especially loaded. They are also old. Legacy is more important than money.

My guess is Stevie has heard Lindsey's and Chistine's songs and knows she can't compete. This is going to be another Tango in the Night and Stevie is going to look bad.

Really? You are going to compare now to when she was all drugged up in 1987 or whatever the year was? I am sorry...Stevie is just as great of a songwriter as either Christine or Lindsey...then and now. I believe there will be a new album and I am sure Stevie's songs will be just as good as any of the rest on the album.

[Nick]

Let's be honest. Everyone here is just speculating. We don't know what they're doing regarding the new music, but I doubt they would not honor Christine McVie with a new album whether it be late 2016 or sometime in 2017. Remember, they were all thrilled to have her back. Let's stop being so damn negative all the time. Until we hear from the band themselves, we don't know anything.

[Macfanforever]

Let's be honest. Everyone here is just speculating. We don't know what they're doing regarding the new music, but I doubt they would not honor Christine McVie with a new album whether it be late 2016 or sometime in 2017. Remember, they were all thrilled to have her back. Let's stop being so damn negative all the time. Until we hear from the band themselves, we don't know anything.

I agree 100 percent.The ongoing whining and fussing here is more annoying then anything else.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm tired of all the whining about the whining. :shocked:

[olive]

Imagine if the do like Wu Tang did.

[FuzzyPlum]

wine, yes I'd like more wine.

[jbrownsjr]

where is elle when you need her?

[aleuzzi]

I'm tired of all the whining about the whining. :shocked:

And we're not even whining. We are outraged. There's a difference. Whining suggests we're not getting our way over some small matter, that we are being bratty kids. But we've been sold a dream again and again and now we are so close to its fruition and realizing that it may not happen anyway. Excuse me all the whiner haters but complaints and outrage are my only source of pleasure with regards to this band these days.

[jbrownsjr]

And we're not even whining. We are outraged. There's a difference. Whining suggests we're not getting our way over some small matter, that we are being bratty kids. But we've been sold a dream again and again and now we are so close to its fruition and realizing that it may not happen anyway. Excuse me all the whiner haters but complaints and outrage are my only source of pleasure with regards to this band these days.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. There's a lot of people that when you disagree with them, they want to shut you up. It is sort of like politics.

[Macfanforever]

And we're not even whining. We are outraged. There's a difference. Whining suggests we're not getting our way over some small matter, that we are being bratty kids. But we've been sold a dream again and again and now we are so close to its fruition and realizing that it may not happen anyway. Excuse me all the whiner haters but complaints and outrage are my only source of pleasure with regards to this band these days.



Everyone is entitled to their opinion. There's a lot of people that when you disagree with them, they want to shut you up. It is sort of like politics.

Hahaha.Politics .FM for 2016.Take your pick for Pres and VP and the rest of FM will be the cabinet.LOL....That will be a hot topic.LOL......I'll keep that in the Election 2016 thread.


OK. Sorry to hit to hard guys.It will happen. I figure by now us FM older fans for 40 plus years know how FM works at a slowest snail pace on doing projects.I cant say much on the younger fans .They just got to catch up to speed how they operate.I do agree. All of us are outrage because of their low output of albums over the 40 plus years as other artists and bands put out a truck load if albums with dozens of number one and top ten hits on them.I always pissed about that issue with low output and lack of top hits.

Anyway .Chill out guys .It will soon happen.I'll give it to the end of 2017 or mid 2018 as they tour .After that I'll say forgot it altogether.

[Macfanforever]

wine, yes I'd like more wine.

Red wine.....

[sue]

Red wine.....

No, sorry, I'm trying a wine free month of May...
Stop tempting me..

[jbrownsjr]

Weed and wine, loves a state of mind.

[KenshiMaster16]

Hahaha.Politics .FM for 2016.Take your pick for Pres and VP

Lock Stevie and Lindsey in a room full of hidden cameras, live feed it through the official site and tell them they have to fight over who is Pres and who is VP on the ticket. Now that's one way to get publicity.

[jbrownsjr]

Lock Stevie and Lindsey in a room full of hidden cameras, live feed it through the official site and tell them they have to fight over who is Pres and who is VP on the ticket. Now that's one way to get publicity.

LOL.. I can only imagine some of the things that would come out.

[lilyfee]

LOL.. I can only imagine some of the things that would come out.

I imagine it might start off bitter but shortly after just looking each other in the face for a while eventually they'd enjoy each other's presence and end up reminiscing and chatting like old friends.

[jbrownsjr]

I imagine it might start off bitter but shortly after just looking each other in the face for a while eventually they'd enjoy each other's presence and end up reminiscing and chatting like old friends.

As long as she wasn't blasting music to tick him off.. hehehe

[MikeVielhaber]

Really? You are going to compare now to when she was all drugged up in 1987 or whatever the year was? I am sorry...Stevie is just as great of a songwriter as either Christine or Lindsey...then and now. I believe there will be a new album and I am sure Stevie's songs will be just as good as any of the rest on the album.

We can't be sure about Stevie's songwriting prowess anymore. Since Say You Will she's made an album where most of the music was written by Dave Stewart or Mike Campbell or Stevie years ago and an album made entirely of decades old songs.

[lennonfan]

I'm sure Stevie will bring her A game to this project, but I feel that she creates her best stuff in collaboration, as she did with Lindsey for years.

Christine was into co writing, so I don't see why Stevie can't collab with someone she can bounce ideas off of, like say Adele, and come up with something that ups their game.

not saying she should work necessarily with Adele, just pointing out what Adele does on her records.

[Macfanforever]

Lock Stevie and Lindsey in a room full of hidden cameras, live feed it through the official site and tell them they have to fight over who is Pres and who is VP on the ticket. Now that's one way to get publicity.

That would be interesting and a good reality show for once to watch.

[aleuzzi]

I'm sure Stevie will bring her A game to this project, but I feel that she creates her best stuff in collaboration, as she did with Lindsey for years.

Christine was into co writing, so I don't see why Stevie can't collab with someone she can bounce ideas off of, like say Adele, and come up with something that ups their game.

not saying she should work necessarily with Adele, just pointing out what Adele does on her records.

I'm not sure anything is happening or will happen because no official news or timeline have been offered. And as I keep saying, we're entitled to an official timeline because the band sold the prospect of a new Mac album BEFORE the last tour. Two years ago they said the new music was coming. I'm tired of waiting and I have no trust in Stevie bringing anything substantial to the table....and if she does will this be in the next year? Two years? Twelve? Geesh. So upset with the band bull....

[louielouie2000]

I'm sure Stevie will bring her A game to this project, but I feel that she creates her best stuff in collaboration, as she did with Lindsey for years.

Christine was into co writing, so I don't see why Stevie can't collab with someone she can bounce ideas off of, like say Adele, and come up with something that ups their game.

not saying she should work necessarily with Adele, just pointing out what Adele does on her records.

I think you are right in the fact that Stevie would absolutely co-write any new Mac tunes before she brings them to the band. However, I can almost guarantee you that she would chose Dave Stewart since that is her comfort zone.

I'm not sure anything is happening or will happen because no official news or timeline have been offered. And as I keep saying, we're entitled to an official timeline because the band sold the prospect of a new Mac album BEFORE the last tour. Two years ago they said the new music was coming. I'm tired of waiting and I have no trust in Stevie bringing anything substantial to the table....and if she does will this be in the next year? Two years? Twelve? Geesh. So upset with the band bull....

I'm inclined to agree. Even if Stevie were to be co-writing songs with Dave Stewart to prepare for the album, word would get out. More than 6 months have passed since the Mac tour wrapped, and that still hasn't happened. It's beginning to look like the new Mac album is indeed dead in the water.

[Macfanforever]

I think the Mac and its members should of kept their mouths shut and kept quiet about any new album when Christine came back with them.Instead they keep running their mouths on social media and TV to get their fans wild up and pissed off about it and waiting for it to drop.Thats unfair game as I see it.It reminds me of politics.Say promises and dont deliver.Alter the thing is recorded and done with then they should have a press release or conference.Not dwelling on saying we will record an new album for the past whatever years.

[mitzo]

There will be no new album.

[bombaysaffires]

I think the Mac and its members should of kept their mouths shut and kept quiet about any new album when Christine came back with them.Instead they keep running their mouths on social media and TV to get their fans wild up and pissed off about it and waiting for it to drop.Thats unfair game as I see it.It reminds me of politics.Say promises and dont deliver.Alter the thing is recorded and done with then they should have a press release or conference.Not dwelling on saying we will record an new album for the past whatever years.

No, I think they ran their mouths on social media as you put it to create a groundswell of expectation to put pressure on Stevie to get onboard with an album.

I love Mama but she's the one holding it all up, NOT the rest of the band.

I get that she might feel like needing a break after a massive world tour, a tour that she/they didn't initially expect to be doing and wouldn't have done if Chris hadn't asked to come back. But there's no clear sign there is any new material being created by her or culling thru the vault for material for hte album or whatever.

Mick and Lindsey used the media to pressure her previously, but it clearly has failed this time, and sadly, may even be causing her to dig in even harder.

[FuzzyPlum]

No, I think they ran their mouths on social media as you put it to create a groundswell of expectation to put pressure on Stevie to get onboard with an album.

I love Mama but she's the one holding it all up, NOT the rest of the band.

I get that she might feel like needing a break after a massive world tour, a tour that she/they didn't initially expect to be doing and wouldn't have done if Chris hadn't asked to come back. But there's no clear sign there is any new material being created by her or culling thru the vault for material for hte album or whatever.

Mick and Lindsey used the media to pressure her previously, but it clearly has failed this time, and sadly, may even be causing her to dig in even harder.

Yep, exactly as you say.

[elle]

I think the Mac and its members should of kept their mouths shut and kept quiet about any new album when Christine came back with them.I

why?

they shouldn't be talking about it to spare few fans some anxiety? it's not like we wouldn't be still complaining why are they not putting out any new music if they didn't talk about the possibility! :rolleyes: :lol:

the only difference: we wouldn't know Stevie is the main roadblock.

most Mac members want that new album even more than we do. talking about it was their way to try to arm-twist band member who was reluctant. it worked before. it is possible it will work again, although on much slower timescale than anyone would want. maybe we will get that "new" album eventually.........

[elle]

No, I think they ran their mouths on social media as you put it to create a groundswell of expectation to put pressure on Stevie to get onboard with an album.

I love Mama but she's the one holding it all up, NOT the rest of the band.

I get that she might feel like needing a break after a massive world tour, a tour that she/they didn't initially expect to be doing and wouldn't have done if Chris hadn't asked to come back. But there's no clear sign there is any new material being created by her or culling thru the vault for material for hte album or whatever.

Mick and Lindsey used the media to pressure her previously, but it clearly has failed this time, and sadly, may even be causing her to dig in even harder.

great minds..........

[bombaysaffires]

great minds..........

scary, innit?

Now if only Stevie and Lindsey could come to such a meeting of the minds. :distress:

[Macfanforever]

why?

they shouldn't be talking about it to spare few fans some anxiety? it's not like we wouldn't be still complaining why are they not putting out any new music if they didn't talk about the possibility! :rolleyes: :lol:

the only difference: we wouldn't know Stevie is the main roadblock.

most Mac members want that new album even more than we do. talking about it was their way to try to arm-twist band member who was reluctant. it worked before. it is possible it will work again, although on much slower timescale than anyone would want. maybe we will get that "new" album eventually.........


Yea I understand what you are saying .The reason why it would be a good idea if they were hush about it and it would keep the worry wart fans off their backs everytime they pop up at events.It must be a pain in the neck for them when fans keep asking them over and over again when the new album will be released.

[Macfanforever]

scary, innit?

Now if only Stevie and Lindsey could come to such a meeting of the minds. :distress:

Hope for music.

[secret love]

I was so excited in April 2014 to read about four band members being in a studio in Los Angeles. I even remember reading that Lindsey and Christine had signed off on some songs.

Now it really annoys me how the band members are so blaze about the new album. It's all right for Christine to throw around release dates that never eventuate. She has heard all the new songs. Obviously she has heard her own songs but she has also been lucky enough to hear all of Lindsey's new tracks. I'm sure Stevie, the person preventing the new music from being released, has also heard or at least receive an offer to listen to the new songs.

This is getting ridiculous. They have spent so much money and so much time and effort has gone into crafting songs for a new record, but the current situation is that the songs will sit on the shelf never to be released. If we're lucky, two or three years down the track, Lindsey and Christine will each release solo albums at age 70 and age 76. I honestly think that's the best we can realistically hope for.

The mooted 2017-2018 world tour will be another Greatest Hits Show. If we are really lucky and I mean incredibly lucky, in the 2017-2018 shows they will play two new songs, like they did in 2013 (Sad Angel and Without You). If pigs fly, there will be three new songs, including one from Stevie.

I'm not holding my breath anymore. If you do that with this band, you suffocate and die.

[iamnotafraid]

I love Mama but she's the one holding it all up, NOT the rest of the band.


Skin crawl moment of the night.

[shackin'up]

Skin crawl moment of the night.

At least this so-called 'Mama' (who the f4ck started with THAT? [barf-icon]) is neglecting her own 'family'.

[iamnotafraid]

At least this so-called 'Mama'...

I just can't call her that.

Now, I'll call her other names.

[Bandon]

Maybe Stevie has heard the new tracks FM's been working on and doesn't think they're good enough. I hope that's not the case.

[olive]

:distress::nod:At least this so-called 'Mama' (who the f4ck started with THAT? [barf-icon]) is neglecting her own 'family'.

:nod::xoxo: and edge walk :distress:

[soul_drifter333]

More than likely it's the other way around, ie: Tango In The Night, Cheaper Then Free...

Maybe Stevie has heard the new tracks FM's been working on and doesn't think they're good enough. I hope that's not the case.

[MikeVielhaber]

Maybe Stevie has heard the new tracks FM's been working on and doesn't think they're good enough. I hope that's not the case.

I don't think that's how it works anyway. And if it were I doubt she has a better ear for quality than both Lindsey and Christine combined.

[bombaysaffires]

"Mama" is a term that gets used at times to refer to Stevie, yes, by her fans. Not because we wish she gave birth to us, thankyouverymuch.

Per Urban Dictionary:

TOP DEFINITION
mama
a very attractive woman

OR:

mama
A mama is a strong matriarchal figure who rules with an iron fist all of her extended family and almost anyone from the neighborhood who somehow gets near any of it. The stereotypical mama is a large voluptuous black woman with a powerful voice and a dominant personality. Her mere presence can defuse a tense situation and bring a castrating truce to male-generated violence. The mama is not afraid of confrontation as she's seen a lot of **** in her life, and as she's seen almost everyone around her when they were still in diapers. A mama's words can neutralize several guns at once, and, when scolded by a mama, even a feared gang leader shrinks back to the status of a child and may be seen hanging his head in shame.

In other words, she's a don't-push-me-around-coz-I've-seen-it-all tough broad who's earned her place as a legend the hard way and she was the chick every guy wanted to be with in her heyday. In other words, she's a mama. Oy. :shocked:

[elle]

cool, thanks for those quotes, i learned something!

"
mama
A mama is a strong matriarchal figure who rules with an iron fist all of her extended family and almost anyone from the neighborhood who somehow gets near any of it. The stereotypical mama is a large voluptuous black woman with a powerful voice and a dominant personality. Her mere presence can defuse a tense situation and bring a castrating truce to male-generated violence. The mama is not afraid of confrontation as she's seen a lot of **** in her life, and as she's seen almost everyone around her when they were still in diapers. A mama's words can neutralize several guns at once, and, when scolded by a mama, even a feared gang leader shrinks back to the status of a child and may be seen hanging his head in shame.

sounds more like Christine in Mac's heyday, no?

[wine in the face "do not ever do this to this band again!"]

too bad Christine doesn't seem to exert that kind of power over the band anymore. we'd have that album in our hand already if she did!

[iamnotafraid]

"Mama" is a term that gets used at times to refer to Stevie...

No.

Mamacita maybe but not Mama.

It ruins her allure.

[FuzzyPlum]

Didn't Stevie refer to herself as mama?
So, did she say that because fans affectionately refer to her as mama or do fans refer to her as mama because she called herself that first?

[MikeVielhaber]

No.

Mamacita maybe but not Mama.

It ruins her allure.

The two are used interchangeably. Except one is necessarily spanish.

Sometimes I don't understand the things people here make deals out of.

[~*BellaDonna*~]

I've never heard anyone refer to her as "Mama," nor have I ever called her that myself. It doesn't make much sense to me to call her that. :shrug:

[MikeVielhaber]

I've never heard anyone refer to her as "Mama," nor have I ever called her that myself. It doesn't make much sense to me to call her that. :shrug:

But someone did. No big deal. It's not derogatory.

[MikeInNV]

I'm not as bothered by Mama as some others are, but I would sooner use LaNicks.

[~*BellaDonna*~]

But someone did. No big deal. It's not derogatory.
I didn't think it was offensive or anything. Just a wee bit strange.