The New Album Thread

[johnnystorms]

I think things would have been totally different if they had signed to Interscope for Say You Will. WB is happy to coast on catalog sales.. Interscope probably would have hooked them up with a trendy music video director and really pushed it. Interscope would have WANTED the new record to sell, WB just did those pathetic "live" videos. To think at their level of wealth and stardom, to sell out fresh energy for a bigger advance was just sad to me.

[PenguinHead]

LOL - it's the .01% that's confusing. In the same paragraph he specifically says "this coming Christmas" and "next Christmas". :shrug: Hence, the confusion.

Rocket Science:confused: It's the same difference. This coming Christmas is the next Christmas.

[PenguinHead]

I hope any 50th anniversary celebrations/releases include remastered editions of Mirage and TITN.

Yes, each with bonus discs packed with b-sides, outtakes, demos and live songs. Those albums are a significant part of their legacy, and they are still commercially viable. They deserve the same treatment given to their self-titled album, Rumours and Tusk. I'd also include their LIVE album.

[pauls90]

I think this deserves it's own post.

Just as Fleetwood Mac starts their break in between legs of their world tour, Mick has posted a pic from inside the studio! Are they already back to work on this elusive new album? Or just a coincidence?

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[Nick]

Let's hope!!!

[gldstwmn]

Things that make you go 'Hmm..." :)

[FuzzyPlum]

wooohooo. that's got to be a not so subtle cryptic message.

[louielouie2000]

Just as Fleetwood Mac starts their break in between legs of their world tour, Mick has posted a pic from inside the studio! Are they already back to work on this elusive new album? Or just a coincidence?

I don't think it's a coincidence at all- Mick's Instagram pictures seem to be posted pretty contemporaneously. So his uploading that picture and the associated caption tells me he's in the studio now on official business.

Count me as VERY surprised- I expected these folks to take R&R vacations during this month off.

[BlueDenimLamp]

Interesting that Mick posts on the same day that WB announces a "Crystal Visions" re issue...

http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r663/Nicksiannation/cv_zpsbtsiwnlj.png

[wheart]

So Mick I guess some members of Fleetwood Mac have resumed work on that album that may or may not come as a Fleetwood Mac album? Right?... :distress:

I'm happy about this pic but his last M&G comments left a bad taste in my mouth...

[shackin'up]

So Mick I guess some members of Fleetwood Mac have resumed work on that album that may or may not come as a Fleetwood Mac album? Right?... :distress:

I'm happy about this pic but his last M&G comments left a bad taste in my mouth...

Well, if it comes out as something without the FM brand, it's all Stevie's choice. Blerk.

[elle]

So Mick I guess some members of Fleetwood Mac have resumed work on that album that may or may not come as a Fleetwood Mac album? Right?... :distress:

I'm happy about this pic but his last M&G comments left a bad taste in my mouth...

didn't Mick say at some m&g (or maybe interview?) that he and Christine were going to stay in LA for a short while after US leg of the tour is over? seems like that would be to either discuss or work on the album.

we do know Lindsey has that q&a for USC students next Wednesday though.

[elle]

Well, if it comes out as something without the FM brand, it's all Stevie's choice. Blerk.

it's her choice not to participate. but it's someone in the rest of the band choice to put it out under different name than FM.

i suspect Mick. he probably wants to have that option of touring money that FM as 5 brings... even though i don't see why SN still can't tour with them if she wants that but not to be on the album.

[pauls90]

So Mick I guess some members of Fleetwood Mac have resumed work on that album that may or may not come as a Fleetwood Mac album? Right?... :distress:

I'm happy about this pic but his last M&G comments left a bad taste in my mouth...

Yeah but Christines latest comments were quite positive.

[Nick]

It better be all 5 of them.

[wheart]

Yeah but Christines latest comments were quite positive.

they were indeed, it seemed like Mick addressed the question after the Christine interview came out so his seemed more "recent" but that isn't necessarily the case. Fingers crossed.

[MikeVielhaber]

Guys, I'm not sure where these comments have been posted, but could somebody fill me in?

Also, I can see a issue with not recording but then touring with regards to product confusion. It IS a different product.

[sue]

When the band all get together to record the NEW ALBUM.

Will Stevie be bringing newly written songs to the studio, or
will old demos of hers be used ?

I think it will be a mix of both, myself.

[michelej1]

When the band all get together to record the NEW ALBUM.

Will Stevie be bringing newly written songs to the studio, or
will old demos of hers be used ?

I think it will be a mix of both, myself.

I would agree that there will be some old songs in there, but certainly new ones, if she records. A mix of both. Probably more new ones though.

Michele

[welcomechris]

Stevie says that she still smokes pot when writing, so I'd imagine she's written TONS of new songs

[louielouie2000]

If you think about it, Stevie has brought both old & new songs to FM since the very beginning. In fact, pretty much all of the songs she contributed to the '75 Mac album were Buckingham Nicks material. So it's not a new phenomena for her to dip into her back catalogue when recording new studio albums (within FM & her solo career alike). So I fully expect there to bring some old stuff to the table- she's always done that.

However, I also have a feeling once she's seen what Lindsey & Chris crafted together that she will likely be inspired to create some fresh product, too. Or I hope so, at least. That half assed (honestly, it's more like 1/100th assed) crap she contributed to the EP scares me- she might just fart out some awful, regurgitated BS like that again just to quickly wash her hands of recording with Lindsey once & for all. Maybe that won't happen this time, though. Maybe Christine will prove to be the magic mediator once again. Fingers crossed!!

[mitzo]

One thing is for sure, in Lindsey's hands just about anything she does will be crafted into something great. Look at what he did with the material of hers on TITN and SYW! The production makes her stuff sparkle, and also makes it fit more or less seamlessly with the rest of the material.

[MikeVielhaber]

If you think about it, Stevie has brought both old & new songs to FM since the very beginning. In fact, pretty much all of the songs she contributed to the '75 Mac album were Buckingham Nicks material. So it's not a new phenomena for her to dip into her back catalogue when recording new studio albums (within FM & her solo career alike). So I fully expect there to bring some old stuff to the table- she's always done that.



No, I don't buy that example. The material was supposed to be for the second BN album that never happened. Instead the very next album she made was the ST FM album and she put those same songs on there. In other words, she didn't record any other songs between when she wrote those songs and when she recorded them. Rumours was mostly new, although there was BN era song which you could rightly call an old one (though she also had "Silver Springs", a new one that didn't make the album with IDWTK making it instead) and also Tusk was all new stuff.

[sorcerer999]

and also Tusk was all new stuff.

Not so. "Sisters Of The Moon" was written four years prior during the first tour of the "white self titled album" and could very well have gone on "Rumours".

[BombaySapphire3]

Not so. "Sisters Of The Moon" was written four years prior during the first tour of the "white self titled album" and could very well have gone on "Rumours".

Right..Sisters was written at the same time as "Gold Dust Woman" .The songs ended up kind of similar structurally.

[SisterNightroad]

I think it isn't possible to talk in absolute ways about Stevie's songs birth since she writes her songs using her journals poetry and frequently ends up putting together pieces that refers to different eras or old songs are completed with new lyrics that completely change the initial meaning like Gypsy and planets of the universe, that initially were written during Rumours or Moonlight/Lady from the mountain.
Also Sara is said to be written during a span of several years.

[Fannymac]

I think it'll be mostly new, but one song I KNOW she wants to record with Fleetwood Mac is "What Has Rock & Roll Ever Done For You." If that's ever going to happen, I think it needs to be on this album!

[FuzzyPlum]

I think it'll be mostly new, but one song I KNOW she wants to record with Fleetwood Mac is "What Has Rock & Roll Ever Done For You." If that's ever going to happen, I think it needs to be on this album!

Meh. I think it missed its time. Would have been good for Tango In The Night.
Perhaps should be kept for a 'Vault' album.

[louielouie2000]

One thing is for sure, in Lindsey's hands just about anything she does will be crafted into something great. Look at what he did with the material of hers on TITN and SYW! The production makes her stuff sparkle, and also makes it fit more or less seamlessly with the rest of the material.

Historically, Lindsey definitely has turned Stevie's songs from water to wine. However, what concerns me is Lindsey's most recently released commercial material. I'm not talking about Seeds We Sow, either- I think that album was brilliant. What I mean is Lindsey's material & production from both the EP and the This Is 40 soundtrack. Both are just riddled with middle of the road dreck. Not to mention the production of Without You is particularly ham fisted. Which is all the more disconcerting to me, because I feel that Lindsey finally found a healthy balance of experimentation and accessibility on Seeds We Sow. What happened since? Is he trying to reach out to a broader audience?

I fully agree with those who say that fretting about the sound of a new album before it's released is fruitless. However, all we can go on is recently released material. Which if we're all honest, is somewhat of a mixed bag. I'm just hoping the return of Christine ups the ante for all those involved. Christine's return should mean Lindsey can go back to being the envelope pusher, because Christine will always be the gold standard for pop excellence. And Lindsey is best for his collaborators when he's pushing for the absolute best from them- not trying to be amenable.

[lilyfee]

Historically, Lindsey definitely has turned Stevie's songs from water to wine. However, what concerns me is Lindsey's most recently released commercial material. I'm not talking about Seeds We Sow, either- I think that album was brilliant. What I mean is Lindsey's material & production from both the EP and the This Is 40 soundtrack. Both are just riddled with middle of the road dreck. Not to mention the production of Without You is particularly ham fisted. Which is all the more disconcerting to me, because I feel that Lindsey finally found a healthy balance of experimentation and accessibility on Seeds We Sow. What happened since? Is he trying to reach out to a broader audience?


I worry about this as well. Definitely hoping the chemistry of the Rumours five back together and (hopefully) working together will bring out the best songwriting, music and production.

I just hope Stevie likes and is proud of any material she brings to the table, because I hate to see her backtracking after an album is done like she had no say in making it.

[Montclare]

What I mean is Lindsey's material & production from both the EP and the This Is 40 soundtrack. Both are just riddled with middle of the road dreck.

I love Sad Angel, but the rest of the EP wasn't anything spectacular for me. But he didn't produce his songs for This is 40, so you can't really blame him for the production. Plus, I really love Brother and Sister. I'd possibly put that on a top 10 list for him. Sick of You does get repetitive though.

[michelej1]

Historically, Lindsey definitely has turned Stevie's songs from water to wine. However, what concerns me is Lindsey's most recently released commercial material. I'm not talking about Seeds We Sow, either- I think that album was brilliant. What I mean is Lindsey's material & production from both the EP and the This Is 40 soundtrack. Both are just riddled with middle of the road dreck.

I don't think This is 40 is at all representative of where Lindsey is creatively. He churned that out for Apatow and didn't put much thought into it at all. It was a MOR movie and that's the kind of soundtrack they wanted for it. That's why Lindsey obliged and gave them what they sought. I don't think that has anything to do with what he wants for FM or for himself.

As for the EP, I think he was trying to write something that would appeal to Stevie and make her want to sing it. I don't know that that's what he would have chosen for himself at all -- especially not with Christine back to fill the pop void that some may have felt FM had. I like Miss Fantasy and Sad Angel just fine and wouldn't be ashamed to have other songs like that from Lindsey, but certainly no more than 1 or 2.

Lindsey doesn't even like his own shallow stuff (i.e. Did You Miss Me). I hardly think that's what he is aiming for for FM.

Michele

[elle]

I don't think This is 40 is at all representative of where Lindsey is creatively. He churned that out for Apatow and didn't put much thought into it at all. It was a MOR movie and that's the kind of soundtrack they wanted for it. That's why Lindsey obliged and gave them what they sought. I don't think that has anything to do with what he wants for FM or for himself.

As for the EP, I think he was trying to write something that would appeal to Stevie and make her want to sing it. I don't know that that's what he would have chosen for himself at all -- especially not with Christine back to fill the pop void that some may have felt FM had. I like Miss Fantasy and Sad Angel just fine and wouldn't be ashamed to have other songs like that from Lindsey, but certainly no more than 1 or 2.

Lindsey doesn't even like his own shallow stuff (i.e. Did You Miss Me). I hardly think that's what he is aiming for for FM.

Michele

yes to this. LB didn't produce This is 40, as quick google search would tell anyone who may have been clueless.

i can't stand Did You Miss Me. i would hate it if he made more songs like that, while i loved listening to Sad Angel and Miss Fantasy - miles more interesting songs.

production on WY has nothing in common with SA and MF. i think SA and MF are Froom-Buckingham co-productions (i should do that quick google search myself, i guess ;) ). and ITT was obviously thrown on that EP in haste, while still half-finished.

[michelej1]

i can't stand Did You Miss Me. i would hate it if he made more songs like that, while i loved listening to Sad Angel and Miss Fantasy - miles more interesting songs.



Yeah, IIRC you weren't too keen on Sad Angel either, until you heard it live. :p

Michele

[elle]

Yeah, IIRC you weren't too keen on Sad Angel either, until you heard it live. :p

Michele

first time i heard Sad Angel was live - i went to the first show in Columbus and that's when we all heard it for the first time.

but you are right, when i first heard it live, i thought it was LB "formula" song. i thought it was nice and rocking, but nothing out of the ordinary, true.

and yeah i do like live SA version better than the recorded one... but not as much as i love for example That's the way love goes live over recorded one (huge difference there!!).

[PenguinHead]

I think it'll be mostly new, but one song I KNOW she wants to record with Fleetwood Mac is "What Has Rock & Roll Ever Done For You." If that's ever going to happen, I think it needs to be on this album!

I like that idea of that song being a Fleetwood Mac song!

[PenguinHead]

Stevie says that she still smokes pot when writing, so I'd imagine she's written TONS of new songs

And as briefly evidenced in the Say You Will documentary, she smokes in the recording studio too.

It's notable how different Stevie and Christine are in the way they approach song writing.

I'm not sure how prolific she has been in recent years, but Stevie had a long writing streak , churning out numerous demos that had no particular destination. Some went to her solo albums, some went to Fleetwood Mac, and others either stalled or laid in wait.

On the other hand, Christine writes only when she knows she has a role to fill.

[Fannymac]

Meh. I think it missed its time. Would have been good for Tango In The Night.
Perhaps should be kept for a 'Vault' album.

Totally disagree. At this stage of the game, looking back on their careers, I think this track would take on a whole new meaning. And I bet they could ROCK it!

[krrrby]

I personally think Stevie doing "Something Exquisite" could be a real gut rocker with Lindsey's guitar solo magic...I like what he did with Running Through The Garden

[StreetAngel86]

I personally think Stevie doing "Something Exquisite" could be a real gut rocker with Lindsey's guitar solo magic...I like what he did with Running Through The Garden

OH MY GAWD
what an idea.
one of my top 5 all time fave demos
never in a million years would i consider it a FM song :thumbsup:
and i LOVE RTTG :D:D:D
i vote THIS

[secret love]

Good morning Ledgies!

This is a place to discuss any news or developments regarding the proposed new Fleetwood Mac studio album.

A good way to start, I guess, is to list some things that we already know about the new studio album.


Mick Fleetwood says that they have a "****load of new songs"
New songs include: Too Far Gone, How I Feel, Carnival Begin, Red Sun, Hunger, Lay Down for Free. Note: please add any new song titles that I may have missed!
Too Far Gone has been described by a music journalist as "a danceable new track" or something similar
Christine says that Carnival Begin is a song about her fear of flying and how she overcame it
Stevie Nicks appears not to have involved herself in the recording of new songs so far
Lindsey, Christine, John and Mick have recorded together at Village Studios. Correct the name of the studio please if I have it wrong.
Lindsey has described the new material as "profound" or too profound not to be released
The band appears determined to have Stevie Nicks participating in the recording process and to have songs featured on the new album. This appears to be the main roadblock to the new album's eventual release


Feel free to add anything else new album-related.

Cheers!

[secondhandchain]

,Stevie Nicks is the only one who is not excited about a new album.
.Stevie Nicks is being a major pain in the ass.:lol:
Stevie Nicks wanted Christine Mc Vie back SO bad but only if it involves a cash grab tour.
Have I missed anything?

[welcomechris]

Hate to be annoying here, but we already have a million threads regarding this:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=54174

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=55134

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=52726

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=54435

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=54789&page=5

Maybe the ledge moderators can merge this?

[Macfanforever]

Hate to be annoying here, but we already have a million threads regarding this:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=54174

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=55134

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=52726

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=54435

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=54789&page=5

Maybe the ledge moderators can merge this?

More likely I agree.Tidy up the forum and merge them here in one thread.

I can understand the frustration over this new album. It will happen soon.

[jbrownsjr]

Maybe chatting about it will breath life into it. The universe wants a new FM album.

[louielouie2000]

Hate to be annoying here, but we already have a million threads regarding this:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=54174

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=55134

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=52726

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=54435

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=54789&page=5

Maybe the ledge moderators can merge this?

More likely I agree.Tidy up the forum and merge them here in one thread.

I can understand the frustration over this new album. It will happen soon.

I went back as far as late last year, and merged 7 threads into this one. I could have merged more, but some threads had very specific concentrations, such as Stevie's reticence to record. I can rope those in, too if the board thinks it would be beneficial... but then we'd have one massive, unwieldy thread.

[welcomechris]

I went back as far as late last year, and merged 7 threads into this one. I could have merged more, but some threads had very specific concentrations, such as Stevie's reticence to record. I can rope those in, too if the board thinks it would be beneficial... but then we'd have one massive, unwieldy thread.

Thanks! It's very neat now :nod:

[Nick]

Thanks for merging all the threads! :nod:

[secret love]

,Stevie Nicks is the only one who is not excited about a new album.
.Stevie Nicks is being a major pain in the ass.:lol:
Stevie Nicks wanted Christine Mc Vie back SO bad but only if it involves a cash grab tour.
Have I missed anything?

No, you didn't miss anything. That sums it up right. Stevie Nicks is being a massive pain in the arse. Stevie Nicks is sabotaging any hope of a new album.

Okay, maybe that is a tad melodramatic, but the will for a new album has been there since late 2012 and it still has not happened and Stevie Nicks is the only person in the band who has had nothing to do with the recording of new songs.

[PenguinHead]

If Stevie stays in a "Say You Won't" mood, a Nicks-free album is still a viable option. "Say You Will" was a Christine McVie-free album. Though I appreciate that album for what it is, I think a Buckingham/McVie combo would create a lively, distinct vibe.

But being that this is likely Fleetwood Mac's last album, I still find it unsettling and somewhat shameful, but not surprising, that Stevie is leaving them hanging. Rock on hypocrite Cash Queen. The band is a hindrance, a burden, a barrier to her precious freedom -- except when there's the incentive of big money on a world tour.

In the recording studio, all the heavy lifting is done by Lindsey and the rest of the musicians in the band. They put in the most time and sweat equity. The work is demanding, but it's the least demanding for Stevie. It's bothersome she's so carelessly ambivalent about the historic implications of backing out of the band's finale. Where is her sense of gratitude? If she doesn't concede, it's something she will surely regret in her latter years.

[Jondalar]

If Stevie stays in a "Say You Won't" mood, a Nicks-free album is still a viable option. "Say You Will" was a Christine McVie-free album. Though I appreciate that album for what it is, I think a Buckingham/McVie combo would create a lively, distinct vibe.

But being that this is likely Fleetwood Mac's last album, I still find it unsettling and somewhat shameful, but not surprising, that Stevie is leaving them hanging. Rock on hypocrite Cash Queen. The band is a hindrance, a burden, a barrier to her precious freedom -- except when there's the incentive of big money on a world tour.

In the recording studio, all the heavy lifting is done by Lindsey and the rest of the musicians in the band. They put in the most time and sweat equity. The work is demanding, but it's the least demanding for Stevie. It's bothersome she's so carelessly ambivalent about the historic implications of backing out of the band's finale. Where is her sense of gratitude? If she doesn't concede, it's something she will surely regret in her latter years.

The only reason she did the tour was because of Christine. She doesn't need the money. She is also tired.

[MikeVielhaber]

The only reason she did the tour was because of Christine. She doesn't need the money. She is also tired.

Because Christine being back makes it a big money maker. She could have agreed to an album and then tour. The other 4 were on clearly on board for that. But instead she agreed to just a tour. A long ass tour. She's tired? The others are in the same position that she's in.

[Jondalar]

Because Christine being back makes it a big money maker. She could have agreed to an album and then tour. The other 4 were on clearly on board for that. But instead she agreed to just a tour. A long ass tour. She's tired? The others are in the same position that she's in.

That's not true. You're just upset. She wasn't going to come back to the Mac but Christine is her friend. She was going to do another solo album. It's not her fault if Christine came back. That changed Stevie's plans.

[jbrownsjr]

The only reason she did the tour was because of Christine. She doesn't need the money. She is also tired.

She really does look tired. The rest of them seem energized.
I can understand if she's tired.

[mitzo]

I am sure Stevie is not into a FM album because she has no material to contribute and finds writing really difficult in recent years. The only thing she has written and recorded since SYW is Soldier's Angel, as far as I can tell. Other songs released since then are either co-written, with someone else providing melody, or vault songs. She sees Lindsey and Chris being creative and she feels she cannot play that game anymore.
I bet she will contribute to a new FM album but just co-writes and vault things.

[MikeInNV]

Lindsey, Christine, John and Mick have recorded together at Village Studios.

Stevie Nicks is the only person in the band who has had nothing to do with the recording of new songs.

Didn't both John and Christine say that he wasn't in the studio because he was undergoing treatment at the time?

[jbrownsjr]

Didn't both John and Christine say that he wasn't in the studio because he was undergoing treatment at the time?

Yes, that's correct.

[louielouie2000]

FYI: I just did some more merging into this thread.

[Macfanforever]

FYI: I just did some more merging into this thread.

Thanks Louie.They will be under one roof as they say.

[Nick]

I am sure Stevie is not into a FM album because she has no material to contribute and finds writing really difficult in recent years. The only thing she has written and recorded since SYW is Soldier's Angel, as far as I can tell. Other songs released since then are either co-written, with someone else providing melody, or vault songs. She sees Lindsey and Chris being creative and she feels she cannot play that game anymore.
I bet she will contribute to a new FM album but just co-writes and vault things.

I also think she'll contribute considering she sang backup on the Lindsey-heavy "Extended Play" EP in 2013. Who says she has to write new songs? She has so many songs in the vault and even if she does a Volume 2 CD of her old demos, I'm sure she can save 3 or 4 songs for the FM album.

[jbrownsjr]

FYI: I just did some more merging into this thread.

I really don't show enough appreciation to you. Thanks for organizing for us. We are a sloppy mess of a group. :xoxo:

[Iamwilliame]

I still can't help but feel a new album including Ms Nicks will never materialize. It is sad that as a writer she seems content to let her Tango In The Night songs be her contribution to the final album attributed to the five of them. More about that in a minute. I'm going to make a guess that the songs already in development by the others will be scattered between another compilation or box set In 2017, and solo releases from Lindsey Buckingham and possibly Christine McVie. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a Buckingham/McVie album come out of this as well. At this point, I can't see Mick allowing an album not featuring Stevie Nicks in some capacity to come out under the Fleetwood Mac name. Although, I could see Lindsey being all for it just to spite Stevie. I couldn't care less if they tour extensively ever again. All I want is a final collection of songs and performances worthy of this classic lineup. For me, Tango In The Night is not that album. It has its moments Everywhere and Little Lies are gorgeous despite their sickeningly sweet 80s production. At least they still sounded like a band playing together on most of Mirage. I want that sound again for one last time. It's a shame Christine McVie wasn't involved as a full member on Say You Will. Oh what might have been.:(

[Iamwilliame]

Then again, the actions of these 5 people when it comes to each other have never been as predictable as their setlists. Stranger things have happened.

[Nick]

I still can't help but feel a new album including Ms Nicks will never materialize. It is sad that as a writer she seems content to let her Tango In The Night songs be her contribution to the final album attributed to the five of them. More about that in a minute. I'm going to make a guess that the songs already in development by the others will be scattered between another compilation or box set In 2017, and solo releases from Lindsey Buckingham and possibly Christine McVie. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a Buckingham/McVie album come out of this as well. At this point, I can't see Mick allowing an album not featuring Stevie Nicks in some capacity to come out under the Fleetwood Mac name. Although, I could see Lindsey being all for it just to spite Stevie. I couldn't care less if they tour extensively ever again. All I want is a final collection of songs and performances worthy of this classic lineup. For me, Tango In The Night is not that album. It has its moments Everywhere and Little Lies are gorgeous despite their sickeningly sweet 80s production. At least they still sounded like a band playing together on most of Mirage. I want that sound again for one last time. It's a shame Christine McVie wasn't involved as a full member on Say You Will. Oh what might have been.:(

Well, until I hear an official statement from the band, I'm going to believe they will all be involved on the next album. They need to go out with class and style. No diva bullsh*t.

[elle]

They need to go out with class and style. No diva bullsh*t.

but were they were ever known for class & style, or non-diva behavior? why start now? :lol:

[Fannymac]

Had lunch last weekend with a close friend of Stevie's.....he said she WILL do a new album with the band....it's just a matter of when.

[Nick]

Had lunch last weekend with a close friend of Stevie's.....he said she WILL do a new album with the band....it's just a matter of when.


Thanks for sharing!

[welcomechris]

Had lunch last weekend with a close friend of Stevie's.....he said she WILL do a new album with the band....it's just a matter of when.

Thanks very much for the info!

[elle]

Had lunch last weekend with a close friend of Stevie's.....he said she WILL do a new album with the band....it's just a matter of when.

5 years from now or maybe when they are all dead...

[welcomechris]

I also think she'll contribute considering she sang backup on the Lindsey-heavy "Extended Play" EP in 2013. Who says she has to write new songs? She has so many songs in the vault and even if she does a Volume 2 CD of her old demos, I'm sure she can save 3 or 4 songs for the FM album.

Well she says she still smokes marijuana for inspiration in writing songs. And that the results show. So thats a sign?

[Macfanforever]

Maybe thats the reason why the current crop of music is so bland with the writers are not into the stuff.:eek:

[SteveMacD]

5 years from now or maybe when they are all dead...

The posthumous new album from Fleetwood Mac.

[Dr.Brown]

The posthumous new album from Fleetwood Mac.

Entitled 24KT Mold: Songs from the Crypt. :(

[jbrownsjr]

Entitled 24KT Mold: Songs from the Crypt. :(

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Nick]

With two months to go before the tour starts up again, I wish we had an update on what was happening with the band right now. I hope they are writing and or thinking of the next album even if they're not doing any actual recording.
Stevie should be going through those demos right now......

[BLY]

I have been thinking (hoping) that Stevie has been doing something related to the new album. I'm sure she has heard everything Chris and Lindsey has been working on. It's possible she added some of her vocals to the tracks. I really hope it's a double album/cd release.

[Nick]

I really hope it's a double album/cd release.

That would be great! A modern day "Tusk". :nod:

[David]

The hooha over the "reunion" with Christine has died completely down now. The culture has moved on. Another botched marketing opportunity, another year. Oh, well. What's next for Fleetwood Mac? Another tour of top-to-bottom back catalog and talk of a "beautiful, profound, and poetic new chapter"? Fleetwood Mac is the PBS pledge break of rock.

[mitzo]

The hooha over the "reunion" with Christine has died completely down now. The culture has moved on. Another botched marketing opportunity, another year. Oh, well. What's next for Fleetwood Mac? Another tour of top-to-bottom back catalog and talk of a "beautiful, profound, and poetic new chapter"? Fleetwood Mac is the PBS pledge break of rock.

I hate to agree with this, but I do. I think the best we can hope for is some greatest hits thing with some added new tracks. And even that may be a long shot.

[aleuzzi]

I hate to agree with this, but I do. I think the best we can hope for is some greatest hits thing with some added new tracks. And even that may be a long shot.

I know what you mean. Still, I think there will be something more than this. A whole new album may be unlikely since so many rightly cite industry factors, and inter-group bull s--t, but given that Fleetwood, Buckingham, and C. McVie publicized the new music in Rolling Stone as it was being recorded, and all three have cited its importance, I DO think there will be, at the very least, an EP to download electronically.

It's all so sad sad sad sad sad. They could have had the album out by now and already started touring it. Imagine the big deal THAT could have been.

[BLY]

I usually don't respond to all this negative Debbie downer BS but I have to say.......I agree the marketing lost opportunity on re releasing Live 1980 ,Mirage and Tango during this tour was plain stupid. ( Not to mention not releasing Buckingham/Nicks during their last tour) but..... There will be a new album released within the next year. I have followed this band for almost 40 years, it will happen.it will be a their swan song and it will be on the charts!

[mitzo]

I usually don't respond to all this negative Debbie downer BS but I have to say.......I agree the marketing lost opportunity on re releasing Live 1980 ,Mirage and Tango during this tour was plain stupid. ( Not to mention not releasing Buckingham/Nicks during their last tour) but..... There will be a new album released within the next year. I have followed this band for almost 40 years, it will happen.it will be a their swan song and it will be on the charts!

Thank god we have this in writing.

[PenguinHead]

I'm sure she has heard everything Chris and Lindsey has been working on. It's possible she added some of her vocals to the tracks. I really hope it's a double album/cd release.

I also hope the album will have more than 12 tracks. I have doubts that Stevie has heard anything that Christine and Lindsey have worked on; she appears so ambivalent about it.

If she did receive the material and listen to it, I hope it has the appeal to inspire her to get on board.

[johnnystorms]

I usually don't respond to all this negative Debbie downer BS but I have to say.......I agree the marketing lost opportunity on re releasing Live 1980 ,Mirage and Tango during this tour was plain stupid. ( Not to mention not releasing Buckingham/Nicks during their last tour) but..... There will be a new album released within the next year. I have followed this band for almost 40 years, it will happen.it will be a their swan song and it will be on the charts!
and sell the re=masters AT the shows... getting the records to the most likely consumers... they seriously need new business managers!

[PenguinHead]

I know what you mean. Still, I think there will be something more than this. A whole new album may be unlikely since so many rightly cite industry factors....

I don't know what industry factors are of such concern. Certainly CD sales are not what they use to be, but the market still exists. Artists still release CDs, and Vinyl has made a comeback. People still desire a physical product which substantiates the work with intimacy.

A digital product offers economy and convenience, but vaporizes a full connection to the music. I compare it to reading a digital e-book -- it's a sterile experience in comparison to holding a book in your hands. It's the tactile act - the manual turning of the pages, the smell of the paper...a physical and visual presence that makes you have a more intimate relationship with the work.

[PenguinHead]

and sell the re=masters AT the shows... getting the records to the most likely consumers... they seriously need new business managers!

Yes! They seem to have their listless heads up their fat asses. So many obvious but missed opportunities. Fleetwood Mac is a like big ship that has a hard time maneuvering in the sea of marketing prospects. How many more Rumours repackages will they make?

The sheer artistic output from the Lindsey/Stevie era of Fleetwood Mac is pitiful when held against how long they have existed. Granted, with so many strong personalities, egos and various circumstances and distractions, they don't function normally.

I'm grateful they at least milked their back catalog with deluxe versions of Rumours and Tusk, and gave us The Chain box set (A fresh, updated, better box set would be welcome). But the have ignored Mirage and Tango in the Night.

They've done three somewhat redundant tours, with the same old same old, without taking advantage of creative marketing strategies. The blame falls on their managers as well as themselves.

[johnnystorms]

Yes! They seem to have their listless heads up their fat asses. So many obvious but missed opportunities. Fleetwood Mac is a like big ship that has a hard time maneuvering in the sea of marketing prospects. How many more Rumours repackages will they make?

The sheer artistic output from the Lindsey/Stevie era of Fleetwood Mac is pitiful when held against how long they have existed. Granted, with so many strong personalities, egos and various circumstances and distractions, they don't function normally.

I'm grateful they at least milked their back catalog with deluxe versions of Rumours and Tusk, and gave us The Chain box set (A fresh, updated, better box set would be welcome). But the have ignored Mirage and Tango in the Night.

They've done three somewhat redundant tours, with the same old same old, without taking advantage of creative marketing strategies. The blame falls on their managers as well as themselves.

they need to SWALLOW their egos and mutually hire the BEST manager in the business. they can certainly afford it. During periods when they are functioning as the band, ONE manager... keep their people for the solo outings

[BigAl84]

Selling the remasters at the shows would be one way to move actual physical product i.e. CD's - it would be even more interesting with a way to partner up with Amazon Prime or Itunes with some sort of system that would easily allow people to purchase the remasters on their smart phones and have it synch directly to their Amazon Cloud or Itunes account etc.

[crystalline_]

Either they get their act together or they don't (leaning toward don't I see, but that's besides the point). Most of their concerts have sold out, I don't think that public interest is the problem. If they did make a new album, it would sell as much as it can in the current market, but it wouldn't go unnoticed just because the times are changing or whatever. The Eagles just released a new album less than 10 years ago and it went to #1, no doubt in my mind FM can do the same.

But that would involve the the 5 of them together actually working as a 5 piece and that's probably never gonna happen. :laugh:

[aleuzzi]

but..... There will be a new album released within the next year. I have followed this band for almost 40 years, it will happen.it will be a their swan song and it will be on the charts!

I am so hoping you're right with this. I want it to be true more than you can possibly imagine.

[louielouie2000]

There will be a new album released within the next year. I have followed this band for almost 40 years, it will happen.it will be a their swan song and it will be on the charts!

They will definitely want to put a nice bow on their legacy. However, I'm betting the release of the album will be pushed into 2017 to coincide with the 40th anniversary of Rumours. That will also make it 30 years since the last Mac album from the Rumours lineup (Tango). I think all of that symmetry will make for a better performing album than any of us are surmising.

[bombaysaffires]

They will definitely want to put a nice bow on their legacy. However, I'm betting the release of the album will be pushed into 2017 to coincide with the 40th anniversary of Rumours. That will also make it 30 years since the last Mac album from the Rumours lineup (Tango). I think all of that symmetry will make for a better performing album than any of us are surmising.

that would be lovely, but they are just too dysfunctional to have any of that sort of forethought or intelligence behind their actions. If it plays out that way it will all be just happenstance.

[secondhandchain]

They will definitely want to put a nice bow on their legacy. However, I'm betting the release of the album will be pushed into 2017 to coincide with the 40th anniversary of Rumours. That will also make it 30 years since the last Mac album from the Rumours lineup (Tango). I think all of that symmetry will make for a better performing album than any of us are surmising.

They seriously to NOT have that luxury of waiting. They are really getting on....

[secondhandchain]

Either they get their act together or they don't (leaning toward don't I see, but that's besides the point). Most of their concerts have sold out, I don't think that public interest is the problem. If they did make a new album, it would sell as much as it can in the current market, but it wouldn't go unnoticed just because the times are changing or whatever. The Eagles just released a new album less than 10 years ago and it went to #1, no doubt in my mind FM can do the same.

But that would involve the the 5 of them together actually working as a 5 piece and that's probably never gonna happen. :laugh:

It's never going to happen because of ONE person.

[Aussie W/Heart]

It's never going to happen because of ONE person.

Yes it will happen :nod:, Stevie WILL be onboard.

[seanthompson]

I agree there will be the new album, perhaps a double album, like the Eagles 'Long Road Out of Eden', that will have all the band members together shining bright. They have come so far already with recording. We even know the names of some of the songs. Everyone was doubting Christines' return for years, and here she is. They know this is the last Fleetwood Mac album, and the last times they will ever tour together. Failed marketing notwithstanding, I believe they will take everything they have and release a double album, or divide the work to be released as two or three albums over time. They will come through for us fans and for their legacy as one of the greatest rock and roll bands of all time.

[chiliD]

They will come through for us fans and for their legacy as one of the greatest rock and roll bands of all time.

When the hell have they EVER done that?

Their "Legacy" is of soap opera hype, not the music or performances, so "one of the greatest rock and roll bands of all time" is really out of the question.

[jbrownsjr]

When the hell have they EVER done that?

Their "Legacy" is of soap opera hype, not the music or performances, so "one of the greatest rock and roll bands of all time" is really out of the question.

Agreed. Most of the fans don't care about the music as much as the drama.

[aleuzzi]

Agreed. Most of the fans don't care about the music as much as the drama.

Christine would've likely recorded another solo album, had she not been welcomed back or she balked at a world tour. I would have loved that. Instead, there's this intolerable wait for a maybe--and very possibly a half-assed maybe. I'm so hoping they do it right.

[pauls90]

Agreed. Most of the fans don't care about the music as much as the drama.

Really?? Maybe with older generations, but there are a lot of younger people right now buying their music and many of them don't know the actual back story of the band much at all.

[seanthompson]

Agreed pauls90.

I can see how many fans are frustrated. I am, too.

There could have been so much more from this band.

I love every incarnation of Fleetwood Mac, and I believe we have some real 'Legacy' material coming from them still.

[BLY]

Christine would've likely recorded another solo album, had she not been welcomed back or she balked at a world tour. I would have loved that. Instead, there's this intolerable wait for a maybe--and very possibly a half-assed maybe. I'm so hoping they do it right.



I love Christine's solo releases but it's worth the wait (IMO) to have Lindsey involved. Even Chris has commented how much she loves what he does with her songs. I think this could be the closest thing to a Tusk 2 release.

[TrueFaith77]

I love Christine's solo releases but it's worth the wait (IMO) to have Lindsey involved. Even Chris has commented how much she loves what he does with her songs. I think this could be the closest thing to a Tusk 2 release.

Tusk 2 or Tango 2? I'm fine with either!

[AnthonyMI]

Tusk 2 or Tango 2? I'm fine with either!

Tusk had more involvement from Stevie and she actually contributed and was present. Tango she was not present. Did not contribute anything (much) and then complained she was not IN the album enough and they had to insert some layered vocals to make it sound like she was IN the band on the songs she was not singing lead on. She was much more present in Behind the Mask.

1. She won't let LB "produce" her songs and mess with them like she let him on Tusk since she hated what he did to her Say You Will songs:distress:
2. She won't co-write with LB, even though she cowrote with Dave Stewart
3. She won't give them anything she thinks its good enough for her own albums anymore :confused:
4. She doesn't like being in the studio unless she has something to do, yet won't cowrite. :(
5. If she wants to produce her OWN songs and tell CM and LB exactly how to play on each song like they sound on demos they become less a band and more a backup group on a Stevie solo album. At that point they are not a band, they are just her backup group playing the songs they way the demo was recorded. No interpretation. Take Gypsy as a great example. The Heartbreakers version was pretty damn good. Then LB and CM got a hold of it and make it MAGIC. I don't think that MAGIC can happen unless SN releases a song to them and lets them make it the way they want through their own working it out. She is just being old and crusty about everything these days. I think she needs to take a laxative and just relax a little! Old woman needs to eat her prunes. hehe:laugh:

I predict this will end up very much like Tango. Another LB/CM albums, with a SN song here and there. They stopped being a productive band (this 5) in 1979. They faked it well enough in 1982. In 1987 they were a duo with guest vocals. in 1997 they were an "oldies group". In 2003 they were basically Buckingham Nicks Version 2.0. Im not sure what they are now other than an oldies group that (before it was dropped) the newest song they played was from 1987, the last single released being Seven Wonders.

I love them, and I am glad I finally got to see the original 5 since i missed them in 1997... but I think they are done. If I set my hopes low and accept they are "done" maybe MAYBE they will surprise me, come up with an amazing album that harkens back to the 70's sound and give me one last great Fleetwood Mac album for the ages. (please please please let it happen!!)

[mitzo]

There will not be an album.

[PenguinHead]

There will not be an album.

Counter response: There will be an album!

[aleuzzi]

Counter response: There will be an album!

And to add to this:

There BETTER be an album!

[BLY]

There will be an album mark my words and Stevie will be on it . The album is pretty much recorded. Stevie needs to record her songs and do vocals on the other tracks. I'm sure she has been working on it.

[jwd]

Agreed. Most of the fans don't care about the music as much as the drama.

To me the drama has become so predictable and boring. As for a new album from the Mac, it would have to be right at the top of my wishlist. I'm hoping it comes together with all on board, and we get another link in the chain. :)

[BLY]

I'm also pretty sure Lindsey will put his "magic" on the recording of the vocals considering their current aged voices (and I say it with all respect)The new collection of songs will be a masterpiece!

[jbrownsjr]

To me the drama has become so predictable and boring. As for a new album from the Mac, it would have to be right at the top of my wishlist. I'm hoping it comes together with all on board, and we get another link in the chain. :)

Gosh, I hope you're right! I want one more chance to hear their creations.

[MikeVielhaber]

There will be an album mark my words and Stevie will be on it . The album is pretty much recorded. Stevie needs to record her songs and do vocals on the other tracks. I'm sure she has been working on it.

Oh, yeah. I'm sure. :rolleyes:

[PenguinHead]

To me the drama has become so predictable and boring. As for a new album from the Mac, it would have to be right at the top of my wishlist. I'm hoping it comes together with all on board, and we get another link in the chain. :)

I'm with you on that. The soap opera drama aspect is so old; issues that have seemingly persisted for forty-something years. Some members, more than others, are guilty of the incessant pandering to their backstory, knowing that the media, as well as some fans, will eat it up. But it's such a tiresome retread.
Relying solely on their past glories (the most current songs performed on their recent tour are from 1987), they have rendered themselves creatively stagnant.
Now that they are in the grandpa/grandma stages of their life, I hope they will, one last time, move forward artistically, sans the drama.

[bombaysaffires]

I'm with you on that. The soap opera drama aspect is so old; issues that have seemingly persisted for forty-something years. Some members, more than others, are guilty of the incessant pandering to their backstory, knowing that the media, as well as some fans, will eat it up. But it's such a tiresome retread.
Relying solely on their past glories (the most current songs performed on their recent tour are from 1987), they have rendered themselves creatively stagnant.
Now that they are in the grandpa/grandma stages of their life, I hope they will, one last time, move forward artistically, sans the drama.

I still am amazed Lindsey is ok with this. I mean, ok, yeah I get the money part. But-- fair or not-- I remain disappointed in him over this. :(

[Murrow]

I'm with you on that. The soap opera drama aspect is so old; issues that have seemingly persisted for forty-something years. Some members, more than others, are guilty of the incessant pandering to their backstory, knowing that the media, as well as some fans, will eat it up. But it's such a tiresome retread.
Relying solely on their past glories (the most current songs performed on their recent tour are from 1987), they have rendered themselves creatively stagnant.
Now that they are in the grandpa/grandma stages of their life, I hope they will, one last time, move forward artistically, sans the drama.

I think the reason they did nothing more recent than Tango was so no-one had the embarrassment of learning to play something recorded while they were out of the band for whatever reason. Having to learn a song as if you were a newcomer rather than one who'd been away and returned must be a pretty demeaning experience.

[michelej1]

I think the reason they did nothing more recent than Tango was so no-one had the embarrassment of learning to play something recorded while they were out of the band for whatever reason. Having to learn a song as if you were a newcomer rather than one who'd been away and returned must be a pretty demeaning experience.

Christine should have learned to play every song on the SYW album as penance.

Alternatively, Christine should tell Lindsey she wants to add Behind the Mask to the setlist and walk him through the guitar parts.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

Christine should have learned to play every song on the SYW album as penance.

Alternatively, Christine should tell Lindsey she wants to add Behind the Mask to the setlist and walk him through the guitar parts.

Michele

He played on the title track, already.

[secondhandchain]

Tusk had more involvement from Stevie and she actually contributed and was present. Tango she was not present. Did not contribute anything (much) and then complained she was not IN the album enough and they had to insert some layered vocals to make it sound like she was IN the band on the songs she was not singing lead on. She was much more present in Behind the Mask.

1. She won't let LB "produce" her songs and mess with them like she let him on Tusk since she hated what he did to her Say You Will songs:distress:
2. She won't co-write with LB, even though she cowrote with Dave Stewart
3. She won't give them anything she thinks its good enough for her own albums anymore :confused:
4. She doesn't like being in the studio unless she has something to do, yet won't cowrite. :(
5. If she wants to produce her OWN songs and tell CM and LB exactly how to play on each song like they sound on demos they become less a band and more a backup group on a Stevie solo album. At that point they are not a band, they are just her backup group playing the songs they way the demo was recorded. No interpretation. Take Gypsy as a great example. The Heartbreakers version was pretty damn good. Then LB and CM got a hold of it and make it MAGIC. I don't think that MAGIC can happen unless SN releases a song to them and lets them make it the way they want through their own working it out. She is just being old and crusty about everything these days. I think she needs to take a laxative and just relax a little! Old woman needs to eat her prunes. hehe:laugh:

I predict this will end up very much like Tango. Another LB/CM albums, with a SN song here and there. They stopped being a productive band (this 5) in 1979. They faked it well enough in 1982. In 1987 they were a duo with guest vocals. in 1997 they were an "oldies group". In 2003 they were basically Buckingham Nicks Version 2.0. Im not sure what they are now other than an oldies group that (before it was dropped) the newest song they played was from 1987, the last single released being Seven Wonders.

I love them, and I am glad I finally got to see the original 5 since i missed them in 1997... but I think they are done. If I set my hopes low and accept they are "done" maybe MAYBE they will surprise me, come up with an amazing album that harkens back to the 70's sound and give me one last great Fleetwood Mac album for the ages. (please please please let it happen!!)

I think Stevie thinks her demos are perfect the way they are...um..they aren't. She's forgetting the magic Lindsey made of her songs pre Tango. Her songs on Tango in my opinion were awful. She wasn't there, was a mess and couldn't contribute anything worthwhile. Tango was when she was at the pinnacle of her way over the top warbling vocals. Totally carried away with her Stevieness. Since then she has come back down to earth when it comes to how to sing a song. Say You will wasn't that great bus since then I think they both have found their groove again. I still think they could make magic, if she would just let it happen. But she won't.

[Frankenstein]

I was listening to the EP songs the other day and it made me sort of depressed to think, what if that's the last material we ever get from the band?

[louielouie2000]

I was listening to the EP songs the other day and it made me sort of depressed to think, what if that's the last material we ever get from the band?

That is a pretty horrifying thought. Honestly, though... I don't even put the EP songs into my mental Mac catalogue. To me at least, I group that whole thing as a half-baked experiment of Lindsey's that's been filed away, never to be seen again. I don't really view the EP as a group effort. It's just Lindsey's basement noodlings that happened to be released in an online format.

Regardless, I have no doubt we will see one last Mac album. Christine putting her English estate on the market tells me she's likely looking at returning to the US in a longer-term capacity. This points to more Mac work in the future. Richard Dashut's cryptic messages seem to be reinforcing Mac studio work. I really just feel in my gut that an album is forthcoming. It may not be next year, but it's going to happen.

[secondhandchain]

What cryptic messages by Richard Dashut?

[aleuzzi]

That is a pretty horrifying thought. Honestly, though... I don't even put the EP songs into my mental Mac catalogue. To me at least, I group that whole thing as a half-baked experiment of Lindsey's that's been filed away, never to be seen again. I don't really view the EP as a group effort. It's just Lindsey's basement noodlings that happened to be released in an online format.

Regardless, I have no doubt we will see one last Mac album. Christine putting her English estate on the market tells me she's likely looking at returning to the US in a longer-term capacity. This points to more Mac work in the future. Richard Dashut's cryptic messages seem to be reinforcing Mac studio work. I really just feel in my gut that an album is forthcoming. It may not be next year, but it's going to happen.

The "It may not be next year" part of this otherwise positive post makes my stomach churn each time I read it. You're most likely right--and this depresses the hell out of me. Two more years for a bleepin' album that should have come out in summer 2014...

[jbrownsjr]

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Carnival Begin!!

[ryan4136]

Where there's smoke there's fire.

In regards to this new album, there's not even a hint of smoke.

[louielouie2000]

Where there's smoke there's fire.

In regards to this new album, there's not even a hint of smoke.

I definitely disagree. Mick, Lindsey, and Chris have all spoken extensively about their time in the studio before this tour began. They've all stated many times that they hope Stevie will join them so they can get these songs out. Richard Dashut keeps dropping hints that he might have some involvement. There are some conflicting reports from those in the know with Stevie in regards to when she will become involved, I will give you that. To me, it's all a matter of when not if. :)

[dawn_amanda]

I am so confused... Why hasn't Stevie been involved? I went to a couple of their London shows and she seemed so happy they are all back together, so why would she not want to be on the album? :(

[jbrownsjr]

I am so confused... Why hasn't Stevie been involved? I went to a couple of their London shows and she seemed so happy they are all back together, so why would she not want to be on the album? :(

There are a few theories.

* She's been touring so much with FMac. (w/ and w/o Christine) that she decided to put out a solo project (demos) during her time between the 2013 and 2014 tours. This was while FM had been recording their new album at the old "Tusk" studio. She simply wasn't there or available. In the meantime, Fleetwood Mac commence a world tour, leaving them very little time to get Stevie into the studio.

* She doesn't like the way Lindsey produces her work. Going as far back as Say You Will, she even has hinted never to record with him as producer again. Also, an issue of it being an all guys club.

* She doesn't like the fact that Lindsey can work with Christine so well and never collaborates with her (on an equal level). She feels a bit left out of the band process and thinks, "the hell with it, I'll do my own material and pay someone else to produce it and arrange it."

* She is still waiting for Sheryl Crow to join. (this one I'm just joking) :laugh:

[ryan4136]

I think we have 4 band members rubbing sticks together really fast, hoping they can get a spark.

Anybody that's ever tried that knows you'll get tired and give up if it doesn't happen quickly.

[pauls90]

I think we have 4 band members rubbing sticks together really fast, hoping they can get a spark.

Anybody that's ever tried that knows you'll get tired and give up if it doesn't happen quickly.


Everything is already ablaze - except for one particular member who seems to be wearing a fire blanket.

[jbrownsjr]

Everything is already ablaze - except for one particular member who seems to be wearing a fire blanket.

Every time that you walk in the room.

[michelej1]

Every time that you walk in the room.

There's no fire burning, just a soul crying -- and a dream dying.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

There's no fire burning, just a soul crying -- and a dream dying.

Michele

You never told me 'bout the fire.

[nicole21290]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/music/rumours-of-fleetwood-macs-demise-prove-wrong/story-fniwj43s-1227577630462

Fleetwood Mac drummer Mick Fleetwood takes pride in being part of one of music’s greatest soap operas, the band’s landmark 1977 album Rumours.

“The album is a chronicle of everything that happened with us on a personal level, which became a story almost too out of control, but the quality of the way we *approached that album sonically, it’s very natural,” Fleetwood, 68, said in Sydney yesterday.

...

The drummer, who has also toured Australia with his blues band, said that a new album would be forthcoming from Fleetwood Mac.

“There will be a new record,” he said.

“John and myself and Lindsey cut a lot of stuff about three years ago, which remains in our swollen archive. Much later we recorded with Christine. Whether Stevie becomes a part of that we’re not quite sure. I live in hope that it will work out.

“We’re not done yet, that’s the main thing.”

[Macfanforever]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/music/rumours-of-fleetwood-macs-demise-prove-wrong/story-fniwj43s-1227577630462

Fleetwood Mac drummer Mick Fleetwood takes pride in being part of one of music’s greatest soap operas, the band’s landmark 1977 album Rumours.

“The album is a chronicle of everything that happened with us on a personal level, which became a story almost too out of control, but the quality of the way we *approached that album sonically, it’s very natural,” Fleetwood, 68, said in Sydney yesterday.

...

The drummer, who has also toured Australia with his blues band, said that a new album would be forthcoming from Fleetwood Mac.

“There will be a new record,” he said.

“John and myself and Lindsey cut a lot of stuff about three years ago, which remains in our swollen archive. Much later we recorded with Christine. Whether Stevie becomes a part of that we’re not quite sure. I live in hope that it will work out.

“We’re not done yet, that’s the main thing.”

Will the same ole news from them but updated.Nothing new.

[crystalline_]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/music/rumours-of-fleetwood-macs-demise-prove-wrong/story-fniwj43s-1227577630462

Fleetwood Mac drummer Mick Fleetwood takes pride in being part of one of music’s greatest soap operas, the band’s landmark 1977 album Rumours.

“The album is a chronicle of everything that happened with us on a personal level, which became a story almost too out of control, but the quality of the way we *approached that album sonically, it’s very natural,” Fleetwood, 68, said in Sydney yesterday.

...

The drummer, who has also toured Australia with his blues band, said that a new album would be forthcoming from Fleetwood Mac.

“There will be a new record,” he said.

“John and myself and Lindsey cut a lot of stuff about three years ago, which remains in our swollen archive. Much later we recorded with Christine. Whether Stevie becomes a part of that we’re not quite sure. I live in hope that it will work out.

“We’re not done yet, that’s the main thing.”

“We’re not done yet, that’s the main thing.”
I thought they were. Interesting. I thought they were as good as gone come the end of November... but maybe I'm just pessimistic :shrug:

[MikeVielhaber]

Will the same ole news from them but updated.Nothing new.

Well he uses more unambiguous and certain language regarding the prospects of an album. He says it WILL happen.

[Nick]

http://www.vintagevinylnews.com/2015/11/review-fleetwood-mac-day-on-green.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

"There will be a brand new Fleetwood Mac album with this iconic lineup in 2016".

[James89]

http://www.vintagevinylnews.com/2015/11/review-fleetwood-mac-day-on-green.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

"There will be a brand new Fleetwood Mac album with this iconic lineup in 2016".

I'm not sure if this is news to us or not. We all know that a new album has been in the pipeline but the whole thing with Stevie not participating has left us with some uncertainty. Could they really have recorded the whole album already? :shrug:

[mitzo]

I really think Stevie's reluctance is based on her sense of her place in the band. She is likely holding out for the lion's share of royalties, a place of prominence in the promotional schemes, more songs in the track list, artistic control, and so on. I net she wants this one to be more about her than previous band releases have been.

[Nick]

I'm not sure if this is news to us or not. We all know that a new album has been in the pipeline but the whole thing with Stevie not participating has left us with some uncertainty. Could they really have recorded the whole album already? :shrug:

I only posted because they are confirming it like they got the info from the band. I'm not sure if Stevie participated as of yet, but this article & update leads me to believe that she has or she will.

[secondhandchain]

I only posted because they are confirming it like they got the info from the band. I'm not sure if Stevie participated as of yet, but this article & update leads me to believe that she has or she will.

Wow, I don't know how they got that info but they seem really confident about it. Already been recorded? Exciting news, but I'm skeptical.

[aleuzzi]

Wow, I don't know how they got that info but they seem really confident about it. Already been recorded? Exciting news, but I'm skeptical.

Unfortunately, I think the reference to the new album already being recorded is proably just a bit of half-accurate journalism, where the writer worked from the Rolling Stone article published before the tour started.

I am more enthusiastic about Mick's certainty, quoted in an article about a month ago. It may happen without Stevie --but something will happen. I just want to hear new Christine songs, to be honest.

[Mr Scarrott]

http://www.vintagevinylnews.com/2015/11/review-fleetwood-mac-day-on-green.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

"There will be a brand new Fleetwood Mac album with this iconic lineup in 2016".

I'm not sure I would set much store by this article. The journalist seems to have a terribly clunky writing style and a fairly tenuous grasp of grammar:

Personally this band is a soap-opera. Even when you know the true-life story its hard to believe. However, it is the telling of the raw emotion of their lives in songs, being the open books that they are in their lyrics, that makes it possible for many struggling fans to deal with their own dilemma’s in private.

Oh, the sufferings of the poor apostrophe....

He repeats adjectives and gets his dates wrong:

72-year old Christine McVie is stunning. She looks 30 years younger on stage and her voice is as stunning as what it was when she left the band three and a half decades ago.

She last toured Australia with Fleetwood Mac in 1980 and had left the band before the next tour in 1990.

I wonder if he was paid for this? Rant over.

[dawn_amanda]

I just don't understand it. Stevie seems so happy to tour and delighted Christine is back. Why would she not want to be part of the album?! It would be incredibly disappointing if she wasn't on it at all.

[Nick]

I just don't understand it. Stevie seems so happy to tour and delighted Christine is back. Why would she not want to be part of the album?! It would be incredibly disappointing if she wasn't on it at all.

I've been saying this all along. Even if she has the fewest songs, she should just do it.

[APerfectLie]

I just don't understand it. Stevie seems so happy to tour and delighted Christine is back. Why would she not want to be part of the album?! It would be incredibly disappointing if she wasn't on it at all.

I think she just doesn't want to commit to another two years to Fleetwood Mac without a solo break in between.

[Macfanforever]

If this ever happens .I know it will happen soon .I hope for a vinyl release for this old geezer.Heck with the digital versions.

[Fannymac]

I think a large part of it is that Stevie wants a break...either to just unwind or do something solo. I think she's VERY aware of the fact that, with a new FM album in late 2016, there's going to be another lengthy tour in 2017 to A) promote said album, and B) celebrate the band's 50th anniversary. She just wants a breather.

[pauls90]

I think a large part of it is that Stevie wants a break...either to just unwind or do something solo. I think she's VERY aware of the fact that, with a new FM album in late 2016, there's going to be another lengthy tour in 2017 to A) promote said album, and B) celebrate the band's 50th anniversary. She just wants a breather.

I just don't understand why it's so hard for her to just come out and say that. She just won't even comment on it either way - which is I think is what's frustrating a majority of her fans the most. I mean - that's a pretty understandable reason to want to take a little break.

Her silence vs. the rest of the band being super vocal about it makes it seem like there's something a little more dramatic happening.

[Nick]

She just wants a breather.

Really? Their last date is on 11/22, less than 2 weeks away. They can all rest for the remainder of 2015 and also the first few months of 2016 before writing/recording continues.

It's not like the new album promo is set to start in January. At this point Stevie could record Vault part 2 and contribute 3 or 4 songs to the next FM album easily. The album could launch in late 2016 or early 2017.

[Jondalar]

Really? Their last date is on 11/22, less than 2 weeks away. They can all rest for the remainder of 2015 and also the first few months of 2016 before writing/recording continues.

It's not like the new album promo is set to start in January. At this point Stevie could record Vault part 2 and contribute 3 or 4 songs to the next FM album easily. The album could launch in late 2016 or early 2017.


I want Songs from the Vault part 2. It's the best thing she has done since the Wild Heart.

[Aussie W/Heart]

I want Songs from the Vault part 2. It's the best thing she has done since the Wild Heart.

Me too! as much as i love F/M i love Stevie more and want Vol 2 then TOUR both solo albums in the not too distant future.. just wishful thinking!! Probs not gonna happen :distress:

[StreetAngel86]

Me too! as much as i love F/M i love Stevie more and want Vol 2 then TOUR both solo albums in the not too distant future.. just wishful thinking!! Probs not gonna happen :distress:

me too. :distress::distress:
i want songs from the vault 2
and she has MORE than enough material for that
and a solo tour.

if this new FM really is all (mostly) recorded
surely they could take Dec/Jan off.
fix it up in Feb/March
Stevie can record March/April/May
tour over the US summer/Aussie spring
FM can go on tour over the winter 2016
yaaaaaaaas.
:nod::nod::nod:

[DoubtfulMiracle]

Me too! as much as i love F/M i love Stevie more and want Vol 2 then TOUR both solo albums in the not too distant future.. just wishful thinking!! Probs not gonna happen :distress:

Same here :nod: I've got my FM fix for now and would looove to see Stevie solo again. A Songs from the Vault 1 + 2 tour would be amazing. And then when I get really crazy, I imagine her doing a stripped back intimate show, with just her and her clunky piano. But yeah, that's *defs* not going to happen :laugh:

(Sorry, forgot I was in a Rumours thread and got a little OTT on Stevie.)

[johnnystorms]

please, NOT another SFV! I love Stevie, but really wish she would devote her creativity to a last-blast FM record. if for no other reason, Chris Mcvie harmony on a re-worked Space Needle

[jbrownsjr]

I'm voting she work with FM. Her material is always way better with them than her solo material.

[dawn_amanda]

Stevie is my favourite but I agree. This is probably the last opportunity for the five of them. It will be a real shame if she doesn't take it. I want SFTV2 but that can wait!

[Artemis]

I'm voting she work with FM. Her material is always way better with them than her solo material.

Eh. Maybe that was true in the past, but compare TISL/IYD/24KG to SYW and the EP... Solo Stevie is better, in my opinion anyway.

I think the difference between touring and recording an album is simply... the songs on the tour already exist, she's happy enough to go out and perform them, but to share new material with Lindsey and open herself up to scrutiny and possible criticism? I just don't think she's interested in that.

[sue]

I think Stevie should use 4 of her best remaining Vault tracks towards a new FM Album.....
She still has plenty of material left for The Vaults 2.

[Phil]

...and those four tracks could be "China Doll", "Sanctuary", "Forest Of The Black Roses" and a studio version of "Fireflies". That would be one serious contribution.

[seanthompson]

...I would love to hear that studio version of 'Fireflies', a studio version of 'Temporary One' (with an improved chorus, bridge, or guitar solo), and 'Julia' and 'My Mother's Ring' for the new album.

Whomever did this fantasy track list is genius:

1. ONE (LINDSEY BUCKINGHAM/CHRISTINE MCVIE)
2. ON WITH THE SHOW (BUCKINGHAM)
3. UNTIL THE END OF TIME (MCVIE)
4. TRUST (STEVIE NICKS)
5. TOO FAR GONE (MCVIE/BUCKINGHAM)
6. STANDING STILL (NICKS)
7. JULIA (NICKS)
8. HOW I FEEL (MCVIE/BUCKINGHAM)
9. IN MY WORLD (BUCKINGHAM)
10. CARNIVAL BEGIN (MCVIE/BUCKINGHAM)
11. NIGHTMARES (MCVIE)
12. WHEN THE LOVE LEAVES (NICKS)
13. RED SUN (BUCKINGHAM/MCVIE)
14. YOU'RE THE ONE (MCVIE)
15. HISTORY (BUCKINGHAM)
16. FOREVER (NICKS/BUCKINGHAM/MCVIE)

DELUXE BONUS TRACKS

17. MIRROR, MIRROR (NICKS)
18. JUST RUN (NICKS)
19. ONE STAGE (ONE LIFE) (MCVIE)
20. HUNGER (BUCKINGHAM)
21. HOME (NICKS)


I would be so satisfied and die happy if something like this comes to fruition; or maybe they have recorded enough that, once Stevie contributes, they could release two or three albums to fulfill Lindseys' statement that the coming times will be very fruitful.

Could it be Stevie is holding out to have Dave Stewart co-produce her songs for the new FM album?

I hope it is a final double album like 'Tusk' with tons of 'bonus' material; like the Eagles 'Long Road Out Of Eden'.

Then the remastered 50th Anniversary Box Set in 2017.

Best of 1967-1975 (TBD)
Buckingham Nicks
White Album
Rumours
Tusk
Live
Mirage
Tango In The Night
On With The Show (hypothetical name of new album)


Dave Stewart did the Ultimate Box Set for Eurythmics; could do it for Fleetwood Mac.

This is their 'Legacy' work.

I hope they come through.

Something big is coming.

I just know it is...

[PenguinHead]

Stevie is my favourite but I agree. This is probably the last opportunity for the five of them. It will be a real shame if she doesn't take it. I want SFTV2 but that can wait!

So right about that.

Stevie will have complete freedom when Fleetwood Mac calls it quits. To pull out right before finish line is really bad timing on her part.

They are a large part of the reason she even has a solo career, as well as huge chunk of money from their recent tour. As a parting gesture of respect and appreciation, you'd think she would drop the self-centered attitude and spend a little time to complete the band's very last album for the sake of history. She doesn't play an instrument, so her involvement/commitment has always been somewhat less intensive than that of the others.

[PenguinHead]

...I would love to hear that studio version of 'Fireflies', a studio version of 'Temporary One' .


It's possible that they never cut studio versions of those songs. Is there any evidence that they did?