The New Album Thread

[BLY]

14 or 15 songs
I didn't before but I do think it will include songs from the EP
5/6 Lindsey songs
4 Christine songs
4 Stevie Songs
1 "Group song" ( could be written by one/two of them or all but a Chain/In the back of my Mind track)
There will be at least on track with a Lindsey/ Christine duo (like Don't Stop, World Turning, Hold Me)
A Lindsey Stevie duo (like I Don't Want To Know, Without You)

I don't think this will be a Rumours 2 but this will be the closest thing to their first two albums,

[MikeVielhaber]

This will not be a 33 city tour. Christine HAD to commit long term--Lindsey has said this repeatedly. They did not want another Dance tour where they have huge momentum and CM packs it in after 35 shows. They ALL (Stevie included) want to go full tilt and make the most of this opportunity. This will be the last tour for all 5.

I think they are waiting to see how sales go (they will be fine) to (possibly) add shows to current markets. Secondary markets will happen in 2015. They wanted the major markets first--guaranteed money first. There is no room to add markets to this initial run. There will be more later. I would guess those later shows would get announced later this summer.
As previously mention, they have had discussions about group activities for the next few years. Not just this one tour. My guess is that'll include an album and another tour. But even if they put an album out after this tour it seems like they will have toured quite a bit between this tour and last year's tour. In any case, Christine is back full time, not just for this one tour, so whatever the band does she'll do. I doubt this is a farewell tour.

[gldstwmn]

I would love to know what really happened during the recording of Say You Will because I honestly think that whatever it was is what is making Stevie noncommittal now.

[jbrownsjr]

I would love to know what really happened during the recording of Say You Will because I honestly think that whatever it was is what is making Stevie noncommittal now.

Somebody got Thrown Down!! :D

[Johnny Stew]

LOL, "not obstinate?" Don't you think that Lindsey would be announcing only too gladly that she is back in the studio with the band if she were? He's been lobbying publicly so hard for it, and now we are supposed to believe that she's in there and he's decided to get all secretive about it?

Uhm, where in anything that I wrote, did I say that Stevie's already in the studio working with them and Lindsey's just keeping it mum?

I did say that, for all we know, it's possible she's visited them in the studio. But I never once suggested (nor do I believe) that she's working/recording with them yet.

If you're going to razz me for something, at least make sure it's something I actually said.

[elle]

This will not be a 33 city tour. Christine HAD to commit long term--Lindsey has said this repeatedly. They did not want another Dance tour where they have huge momentum and CM packs it in after 35 shows. They ALL (Stevie included) want to go full tilt and make the most of this opportunity. This will be the last tour for all 5.

from your mouth... that would be great!!

the way things seem to be going, with no new album before / during the tour, i don't expect to see LB solo before the time when he can barely walk around with the cane. i expect revolving FM tour with the same songs over and over (let's face it it's been since 1977 they've been playing pretty much the same setlist :p) for the next 5 years or whenever one of them drops dead.

[BlueDenimLamp]

from your mouth... that would be great!!

the way things seem to be going, with no new album before / during the tour, i don't expect to see LB solo before the time when he can barely walk around with the cane. i expect revolving FM tour with the same songs over and over (let's face it it's been since 1977 they've been playing pretty much the same setlist :p) for the next 5 years or whenever one of them drops dead.

The question is how many "Fleetwood Mac cash grab tours" can the market stand in a short period of time??? They toured in 2013 will be doing shows in 2014 and it's expected they will continue touring in 2015...2017 will be a big year for FM with it being the bands 50th anniversary not to mention the 40th for "Rumours" and I'm quite sure WB will be issuing a "Rumours super special deluxe 40th box set" and WB will want an FM tour to promote it...

[BLY]

The question is how many "Fleetwood Mac cash grab tours" can the market stand in a short period of time??? They toured in 2013 will be doing shows in 2014 and it's expected they will continue touring in 2015...2017 will be a big year for FM with it being the bands 50th anniversary not to mention the 40th for "Rumours" and I'm quite sure WB will be issuing a "Rumours super special deluxe 40th box set" and WB will want an FM tour to promote it...


Noooooooooo. The Rumours reissues are done. It's either Mirage and Tango as far as re hashing past stuff for this tour with the new album.

[Johnny Stew]

Noooooooooo. The Rumours reissues are done. It's Mirage and Tango as far as re hashing past stuff for this tour to release.

I think it's time to start a letter and email-writing campaign to Warner Bros for 'Mirage' and 'Tango' expanded remasters. They're long overdue. Plus, "Everywhere" (in the UK) and "Seven Wonders" (in the US) each had renewed popularity last year and a return to the charts, thanks to the 3 #DancePonyDance commercial and American Horror Story: Coven, respectively. So there's certainly an interest in the band's music from that era.

[BlueDenimLamp]

I think it's time to start a letter and email-writing campaign to Warner Bros for 'Mirage' and 'Tango' expanded remasters. They're long overdue. Plus, "Everywhere" (in the UK) and "Seven Wonders" (in the US) each had renewed popularity last year and a return to the charts, thanks to the 3 #DancePonyDance commercial and American Horror Story: Coven, respectively. So there's certainly an interest in the band's music from that era.

Will WB invest the time & money on re mastering Mirage & Tango when it's possible that they will loose the rights to those albums in the near future?

[BLY]

Will WB invest the time & money on re mastering Mirage & Tango when it's possible that they will loose the rights to those albums in the near future?

WHAT?? Why would they loose rights to their music?

[BlueDenimLamp]

WHAT?? Why would they loose rights to their music?

No...Fleetwood Mac would regain the rights to the original recordings...

[Johnny Stew]

No...Fleetwood Mac would regain the rights to the original recordings...

Even if the band should happen to change labels, Warner Bros will still retain rights to the albums Fleetwood Mac released with them.

[BlueDenimLamp]

Even if the band should happen to change labels, Warner Bros will still retain rights to the albums Fleetwood Mac released with them.

I'm not talking about FM changing labels...I'm talking about artists (FM) being able to get the rights/ownership of their recordings back after WB owning them for 35 years...
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/don-henley-record-companies-not-going-to-roll-over-on-copyright-issue-20110907

If there is as chance WB will forfeit ownership of FM's catalog starting with Tusk (albums before 1978 are excluded.. Can you imagine WB loosing Rumors) will WB spend the money re mastering albums if they have to give ownership back to FM after 35 years?

[Johnny Stew]

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/don-henley-record-companies-not-going-to-roll-over-on-copyright-issue-20110907

Thanks for the article. I remember reading something about that a while back, but had forgotten.

If there's any chance WB might lose 'Mirage' in three years and 'Tango' in eight, that seems like all the more reason they should try to make as much money on them while they can.

Come on, Warner Bros....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/queenanthai/Made%20Of%20Fail/shutupandtakemymoney_zps3bbbd52e.jpeg

[bombaysaffires]

I'm not talking about FM changing labels...I'm talking about artists (FM) being able to get the rights/ownership of their recordings back after WB owning them for 35 years...
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/don-henley-record-companies-not-going-to-roll-over-on-copyright-issue-20110907

If there is as chance WB will forfeit ownership of FM's catalog starting with Tusk (albums before 1978 are excluded.. Can you imagine WB loosing Rumors) will WB spend the money re mastering albums if they have to give ownership back to FM after 35 years?

thanks for that link. Here's an interesting piece (it's a Q&A with Don Henley on the issue):

What are the options?

Artists have several things they can do. They can re-up with the label and use this as leverage to renegotiate a recording agreement. They can invoke termination rights and take back their master recordings and see what they can do themselves. If they get it back, they can shop it around and see if anybody else wants it – another label or an indie label or they might market it themselves on the Internet. Or artists can go back and re-record everything


I hardly think FM's organizational skills (or lack of) lend themselves to the band doing the internet self-marketing thing. But I can certainly imagine them leveraging ownership of the tapes to get a recording deal (i.e. allowing Warner's to keep ownership longer if they give the band a recording deal… but I don't trust Warner's to do it right that is, I could easily see WB negotiating to keep ownership of the masters, giving the band a deal, and then not really promoting the new music.) I'd rather see the band shop ownership around and get a new deal on a new label.

[iamnotafraid]

Carson Daly www.nbc.com/last-call-with-carson-daly
from last night's show Carson is reporting that the first song
for the new Fleetwood Mac album is completed.

Mentioned only, not played over end credits. You have
to go to the website to see the lyrics. I copied them before
they were taken down.

It's new to me. At least I've never heard her sing it before.

Walking In The Shadows

I know you're a lonely man and I love you
Someone else is waiting and she owns you
If she should ever wake up, be sure your story is straight love

If you talk in your sleep don't mention my name
If you walk in your sleep, forget where you came

Walking every night here in the shadows
So afraid that sometimes you may follow
There's always a chance she'll find us
So I don't need to remind you...

If you talk in your sleep don't mention my name
If you walk in your sleep, forget where you came

Love is so much sweeter when it's borrowed
I'll feel a little easier tomorrow
Don't give our secret away
Be careful of what you say

If you talk in your sleep don't mention my name
If you walk in your sleep, forget where you came

Forget where you came now
Don't mention my name

Forget where you came

__________________________________________

That has to have been written during or after Say You Will
if that's about Lindsey. Sometime in that past ten years or
so.

There's certainly no beating around the bush in that song.
Direct and to the point. Very bold for Stevie, especially
considering the circumstances.

Someone find out when it was written.

[michelej1]

April 1 is two days away, though.

Michele

[michelej1]

But I can certainly imagine them leveraging ownership of the tapes to get a recording deal

Yes. I think you have hit the nail on the head.

Michele

[not_the_torment]

Did it actually say this is a Stevie song? Could it be one of Christine's?

[iamnotafraid]

Did it actually say this is a Stevie song? Could it be one of Christine's?

I don't believe it's Christine's. The end credits
mentioned Welsh Witch Music.

[not_the_torment]

I don't believe it's Christine's. The end credits
mentioned Welsh Witch Music.

Ok. Thanks!

[iamnotafraid]

I'm dying to hear it.

[Johnny Stew]

Ok. Thanks!

Iamnotafraid is our resident prankster. Rest assured there are no completed songs yet (aside from the ones Lindsey, Mick & John recorded last year, that is).

[SteveMacD]

Did it actually say this is a Stevie song? Could it be one of Christine's?
That's what I was wondering, too.

I looked through some copyright information, and there were some songs from the 80s and 90s credited to Christine and Eddie that I've never seen before.

[BlueDenimLamp]

Iamnotafraid is our resident prankster. Rest assured there are no completed songs yet (aside from the ones Lindsey, Mick & John recorded last year, that is).

Let's not forget the great Christmas special hoax...

[iamnotafraid]

That's what I was wondering, too.

I looked through some copyright information, and there were some songs from the 80s and 90s credited to Christine and Eddie that I've never seen before.

I'm not as familiar with Christine's work as Stevie's.
But if I only read the words of that song, I believe I
could tell it was Stevie's.

Again, Welsh Witch Publishing.

[Johnny Stew]

Sorry to ruin your fun, iamnotafraid -- but before this gets out of hand....

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[BlueDenimLamp]

Sorry to ruin your fun, iamnotafraid -- but before this gets out of hand....

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BUSTED!!!!!!

[iamnotafraid]

It's new to me. At least I've never heard her sing it before.

Walking In The Shadows

I know you're a lonely man and I love you
Someone else is waiting and she owns you
If she should ever wake up, be sure your story is straight love

If you talk in your sleep don't mention my name
If you walk in your sleep, forget where you came

Walking every night here in the shadows
So afraid that sometimes you may follow
There's always a chance she'll find us
So I don't need to remind you...

If you talk in your sleep don't mention my name
If you walk in your sleep, forget where you came

Love is so much sweeter when it's borrowed
I'll feel a little easier tomorrow
Don't give our secret away
Be careful of what you say

If you talk in your sleep don't mention my name
If you walk in your sleep, forget where you came

Forget where you came now
Don't mention my name

Forget where you came

__________________________________________



Weird coincidence. Very similar to the Presley classic.

You have to wonder if Jerry Scheff had been playing
that during the Buckingham Nicks sessions. Elvis I
believe recorded that song in late '73. So it's quite
possible that Stevie heard an early version of it and
it influenced this new song.

It's all making sense now. But still I'd like to know
exactly when Stevie's version was written?

[Keith]

when you build your house.. call me home... hold on... the night is coming...

[sodascouts]

Sorry to ruin your fun, iamnotafraid -- but before this gets out of hand....

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I'd put a disclaimer in the thread title letting people know it's not true.

It's designed solely to set people up in order to mock their responses. Why wait until they've read the first post and replied before you let them in on the "prank" (aka trolling).

[michelej1]

It was clearly a post of the April Fools' variety. I should have made that clearer last night.

Michele

[iamnotafraid]

It's designed solely to set people up in order to mock their responses. Why wait until they've read the first post and replied...


Aren't you overreacting a bit?

If the title mentioned that Stevie or whomever had passed away
you might have a point. Can't you read the lyrics and just imagine
that it just might be Stevie's (Fleetwood Mac's) new song?

If you choose not to believe that's their new song, that's fine.
But don't ruin it for everyone that likes the story. What did
Jack Nicholson say...this forum* needs and enema.

Read on those who are interested in the Elvis/Buckingham Nicks
era. Interesting how that encounter came about. And now 40
years later a song possibly tied to them makes it way onto the
new album. It's not a lie if you believe it's true.


*town

[michelej1]

If you choose not to believe that's their new song, that's fine.
But don't ruin it for everyone that likes the story.

The fact that it's not true ruins it for everyone who likes the story. So, there shouldn't be any more posts like this.

Michele

[iamnotafraid]

The fact that it's not true ruins it for everyone who likes the story. So, there shouldn't be any more posts like this.

Michele

Michele you just got your wish.

[CADreaming]

Weird coincidence. Very similar to the Presley classic.

You have to wonder if Jerry Scheff had been playing
that during the Buckingham Nicks sessions. Elvis I
believe recorded that song in late '73. So it's quite
possible that Stevie heard an early version of it and
it influenced this new song.

It's all making sense now. But still I'd like to know
exactly when Stevie's version was written?

Still waiting on those Jerry Scheff wedding pics... (taps fingers..)

[michelej1]

On April 1, other people may do a couple of fake posts. Last year I believe we got a post saying that Christine had rejoined the band for April Fool's. Now, how outrageous can you be??

Michele

[markolas]

Iamnotafraid is our resident prankster,

Some would say "troll."

[elle]

tweet from Ken Caillat few hrs ago:

Making Rumours Book ‏@Rumours_Book 5h
Ran into @johnmcvie yesterday! He looked great & said it was really nice to have @christinemcvie 's energy back in the group #fleetwoodmac

now we know Ken has his own studio in Village Recorder... can it be that's where he ran into John and that the rest of the Mac is still working there?

if Ken is reading this maybe he can tell us where he ran into John?

[BlueDenimLamp]

tweet from Ken Caillat few hrs ago:

Making Rumours Book ‏@Rumours_Book 5h
Ran into @johnmcvie yesterday! He looked great & said it was really nice to have @christinemcvie 's energy back in the group #fleetwoodmac

now we know Ken has his own studio in Village Recorder... can it be that's where he ran into John and that the rest of the Mac is still working there?

if Ken is reading this maybe he can tell us where he ran into John?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Ran into <a href="https://twitter.com/johnmcvie">@johnmcvie</a> yesterday! He looked great &amp; said it was really nice to have <a href="https://twitter.com/ChristineMcvie">@christinemcvie</a> 's energy back in the group <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23fleetwoodmac&amp;src=hash">#fleetwoodmac</a></p>&mdash; Making Rumours Book (@Rumours_Book) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rumours_Book/statuses/459763694377766912">April 25, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I looked at the twitter and it's a twitter for the "Making Rumours" book...Do we know who is tweeting???
The Christine & John twitters both appear bogus...

[michelej1]

I looked at the twitter and it's a twitter for the "Making Rumours" book...Do we know who is tweeting???
The Christine & John twitters both appear bogus...

That Making Rumours twitter is actually Ken or Ken's people. But he could have run into John in the Los Angeles area anywhere. Starbucks or whatever.

Michele

[elle]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Ran into <a href="https://twitter.com/johnmcvie">@johnmcvie</a> yesterday! He looked great &amp; said it was really nice to have <a href="https://twitter.com/ChristineMcvie">@christinemcvie</a> 's energy back in the group <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23fleetwoodmac&amp;src=hash">#fleetwoodmac</a></p>&mdash; Making Rumours Book (@Rumours_Book) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rumours_Book/statuses/459763694377766912">April 25, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I looked at the twitter and it's a twitter for the "Making Rumours" book...Do we know who is tweeting???

pretty sure it's Ken Caillat. on facebook he has both account under his name and also Making Rumours Book account. maybe i got his fb confused with his twitter but i think it's his, to promote the book.

[elle]

That Making Rumours twitter is actually Ken or Ken's people. But he could have run into John in the Los Angeles area anywhere. Starbucks or whatever.

Michele

i know... it's actually weird he never tweeted about running into other macsters at the time there were reports of them being in the studio floating around. doesn't exclude anything - maybe he keeps running into them every day, for all we know. someone said there was also an exchange on fb between KC and CAH where he told her he should come see him (and LB) in the studio.

[Macfanforever]

If this is true .Thats great news that John is out an about and feeling good.

[michelej1]

[Oh baby, don't make me wait (whispered like on the Mirage video)]

http://framework.latimes.com/2014/05/01/pictures-in-the-news-906/#/7

Los Angeles: Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie of Fleetwood Mac are collaborating on their first new material in 15 years. The band is hitting the road, including sold-out shows at the Forum in Inglewood, this year with McVie rejoining the storied group.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn2/michelej1/lindschris_zps0d935188.jpg (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/michelej1/media/lindschris_zps0d935188.jpg.html)

[Tusky]

That makes me so happy :blob2::]:]:blob2:

[michelej1]

Lindsey looks like he doesn't know what the heck all those knobs are, but he thinks they're pretty. They're shiny and make him smile. Poor guy.:distress:

Don't make me wait. :blob2:

Michele

[Tusky]

Christine's reaching for the "add Lindsey's voice pitch-shifted to sound like Stevie's" button. LOL

[Tusky]

...this photo makes me think of 'Ricky'. Don't know why

[jbrownsjr]

Michele I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :blob2::blob2::blob2::blob2::blob2:

[BlueDenimLamp]

He's looking for the 24 track tape machine buttons...:laugh:

[kak125]

love seeing such a big smile on Christine's face!!!

[elle]

[Oh baby, don't make me wait (whispered like on the Mirage video)]

http://framework.latimes.com/2014/05/01/pictures-in-the-news-906/#/7

Los Angeles: Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie of Fleetwood Mac are collaborating on their first new material in 15 years. The band is hitting the road, including sold-out shows at the Forum in Inglewood, this year with McVie rejoining the storied group.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn2/michelej1/lindschris_zps0d935188.jpg (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/michelej1/media/lindschris_zps0d935188.jpg.html)

awwwww, my babies!! :xoxo:

go kids go, get that album out before the summer is out for me! :] :]

[jkmaletic]

There must be a pool at that studio. Can't tell who's tanner.

[louielouie2000]

Lindsey looks like he doesn't know what the heck all those knobs are, but he thinks they're pretty. They're shiny and make him smile. Poor guy.:distress:

Looks more to me like he's looking in a glass case filled with chocolate truffles, and can't decide which one he wants. :p

Ahh, I needed this bit of good news. Thanks for posting this picture here!! :D

[Macfanforever]

She looks so happy there.

[michelej1]

There must be a pool at that studio. Can't tell who's tanner.

Yeah. The Leathermen.

Michele

[Macfanforever]

Lindsey looks like he doesn't know what the heck all those knobs are, but he thinks they're pretty. They're shiny and make him smile. Poor guy.:distress:

Don't make me wait. :blob2:

Michele

He looks like he deep in thought.What should I crank up next.

[elle]

She looks so happy there.

happy? with Lindsey? nah we must be collectively hallucinating....... doesn't he suck all the happy out of the room as soon as he enters? :p

[BombaySapphire3]

So Christine was never in Nashville with Dave and Stevie:shrug:That does kind of make sense though.Christine hasn't gone anywhere near a Stevie Nicks solo album in the 33 year history of making them .

[AnthonyMI]

Girl. Is. Orange.



http://stainedglassbeauty.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/5af13293021a53ad_oompa_loompa_tan_orange-xxxlarge_1.jpg

[HelloMonster]

[Oh baby, don't make me wait (whispered like on the Mirage video)]

http://framework.latimes.com/2014/05/01/pictures-in-the-news-906/#/7

Los Angeles: Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie of Fleetwood Mac are collaborating on their first new material in 15 years. The band is hitting the road, including sold-out shows at the Forum in Inglewood, this year with McVie rejoining the storied group.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn2/michelej1/lindschris_zps0d935188.jpg (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/michelej1/media/lindschris_zps0d935188.jpg.html)



F*CK YES! This picture made my day! :D

[WildHearted]

So Christine was never in Nashville with Dave and Stevie:shrug:That does kind of make sense though.Christine hasn't gone anywhere near a Stevie Nicks solo album in the 33 year history of making them .

She may have been. They've been there since Easter weekend... Plenty if time for her to have come back.

This picture makes me so happy for new FM material. And yes, they are super tan.

[jbrownsjr]

So Christine was never in Nashville with Dave and Stevie:shrug:That does kind of make sense though.Christine hasn't gone anywhere near a Stevie Nicks solo album in the 33 year history of making them .

Well they do have these things called planes, you can get from Nashville to Santa Monica Airport in 4 hours. :p

[jbrownsjr]

happy? with Lindsey? nah we must be collectively hallucinating....... doesn't he suck all the happy out of the room as soon as he enters? :p

They're happy because Stevie isn't there.

[AnthonyMI]

They're happy because Stevie isn't there.

Well she IS the "Sad Angel" and self described "Angry Troll" (or was it another noun?).

[HomerMcvie]

They're happy because Stevie isn't there.

Don't you know it!!!

"Thank god that dumb diva isn't here"


:]:laugh::D

[gssmith]

When was the picture taken? Just because it just showed up doesn't mean it wasn't taken aces months ago.
Lindsey never looks happy. Do you think he's a bitter person? Always my assumption but don't know. He also seems equal to stevie in the diva behavior.

[shackin'up]

When was the picture taken? Just because it just showed up doesn't mean it wasn't taken aces months ago.
Lindsey never looks happy. Do you think he's a bitter person? Always my assumption but don't know

I met him three times in one week. He's a dedicated man, but soft, humorous and extremely friendly and kind. No bitterness experienced back then. (2008)

[HelloMonster]

When was the picture taken? Just because it just showed up doesn't mean it wasn't taken aces months ago.
Lindsey never looks happy. Do you think he's a bitter person? Always my assumption but don't know. He also seems equal to stevie in the diva behavior.

Bitter? Never. His forehead isn't even furrowed. In fact he has the inklings of a smile in this picture, like he's getting ready to, or just did. This isn't his blue steel serious face.

[lovethemac1]

That is a photo of two people that just makes me smile............ahhhhhhhhh. Thank you so much for posting!:xoxo:

[lovethemac1]

Girl. Is. Orange.



http://stainedglassbeauty.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/5af13293021a53ad_oompa_loompa_tan_orange-xxxlarge_1.jpg

that is funny :laugh:

[elle]

They're happy because Stevie isn't there.

Don't you know it!!!

"Thank god that dumb diva isn't here"


:]:laugh::D

:laugh: :laugh:

and they don't have to pretend that spirit catchers and stupid hats are serious business :p :angel:

[Tango]

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn2/michelej1/lindschris_zps0d935188.jpg (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/michelej1/media/lindschris_zps0d935188.jpg.html)

Oh Baby . . . don't touch that controller! It's MINE, ALL MINE, My Precious! ;)

I know I once said, "I had more fun on that tour than I've ever had by virtue of the fact that it was just two writers up there. And it opened up a set of possibilities for me to be more of a guy, you know? More testosterone playing around on stage."

But as she touches My Controller, I feel all the testosterone leaking out.- Lindsey Buckingham

:laugh:

SHE'S BACK!!!!

[jkmaletic]

:laugh: :laugh:

and they don't have to pretend that spirit catchers and stupid hats are serious business :p :angel:


But it's not nearly as much fun without them. :nod:

[jbrownsjr]

:laugh: :laugh:

and they don't have to pretend that spirit catchers and stupid hats are serious business :p :angel:

I'll never forget the look on Lindsey's face when she brought that spirit catcher. Ok, thanks Stevie. Grown ups are speaking now, so we'll set it over here behind this huge amp.

[michelej1]

But as she touches My Controller, I feel all the testosterone leaking out.- Lindsey Buckingham

:laugh:

SHE'S BACK!!!!

You can consume all the testosterone in the room. I know you can. I've seen you do it.

Michele

[jkmaletic]

I'll never forget the look on Lindsey's face when she brought that spirit catcher. Ok, thanks Stevie. Grown ups are speaking now, so we'll set it over here behind this huge amp.

They actually put it on the mantle.

[jbrownsjr]

They actually put it on the mantle.

Yes, Mick did. Elle and I were having a moment.. :laugh:

[elle]

I'll never forget the look on Lindsey's face when she brought that spirit catcher. Ok, thanks Stevie. Grown ups are speaking now, so we'll set it over here behind this huge amp.

i know... he looked like he must have been thinking something like just pretend it's important and be nice lindsey we need to have peaceful working sessions........ but wtf do i do with this thing?!?!? and then mick comes to his rescue. :laugh:

[elle]

Yes, Mick did. Elle and I were having a moment.. :laugh:

lol same time :xoxo:

[brickney723]

I'll never forget the look on Lindsey's face when she brought that spirit catcher. Ok, thanks Stevie. Grown ups are speaking now, so we'll set it over here behind this huge amp.
haha! What I remember is a lot of unnecessary touching during that moment!:laugh:

[dontlookdown]

I'm having some sunscreen sent over to the studio right now.
(I live a few miles west of the Village).

[KateTheCursed]

Don't you know it!!!

"Thank god that dumb diva isn't here"


:]:laugh::D

Gee, and people wonder why Stevie seems leery of recording with Fleetwood Mac, but excited about another solo projected with Dave Stewart? What a mystery...one place her ideas are respected and listened too, the other even the "fans" assume the band think of her as a "dumb diva." She's 65 years old, a cultural icon who generations of younger artists look up to and still she gets no respect at home with Fleetwood Mac.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm having some sunscreen sent over to the studio right now.
(I live a few miles west of the Village).

it has been very hot here! let's meet at the parking lot... :)

[bombaysaffires]

:laugh: :laugh:

and they don't have to pretend that spirit catchers and stupid hats are serious business :p :angel:

I don't recall Stevie saying they were serious business… she just happens to like a homier feel in the studio rather than a sterile bunker ambiance. Nothing wrong with that.

[elle]

I don't recall Stevie saying they were serious business… she just happens to like a homier feel in the studio rather than a sterile bunker ambiance. Nothing wrong with that.
they recorded SYW in sterile bunker? :confused:

but yeah tastes are different. :)

[michelej1]

I don't recall Stevie saying they were serious business… she just happens to like a homier feel in the studio rather than a sterile bunker ambiance. Nothing wrong with that.

Well, both Christine and Mick believe in the spiritual. I don't know if John and Lindsey do. But they probably don't think a spirit catcher is that unusual a thing.

Christine said her mother slept with someone's glove and cured them of leukemia or something. Although I do think they try to gloss over Stevie's dramatic gibber, like when Mick told Stevie they'd spent 6 months trying NOT to be Fleetwood Mac. He seemed to be trying to tamp things down a bit.

Michele

[TrueFaith77]

Gee, and people wonder why Stevie seems leery of recording with Fleetwood Mac, but excited about another solo projected with Dave Stewart? What a mystery...one place her ideas are respected and listened too, the other even the "fans" assume the band think of her as a "dumb diva." She's 65 years old, a cultural icon who generations of younger artists look up to and still she gets no respect at home with Fleetwood Mac.

I think it's pretty clear that she would be getting mad props and generating much excitement if she were there. Chris is back after 15 years... it's what 30 years since Tango (which stevie sat out pretty much). I mean it's been half a century since did the white album. And Stevie isn't there with them through all of this? It is very disappointing. It just is.

[jbrownsjr]

haha! What I remember is a lot of unnecessary touching during that moment!:laugh:

Did he cop a feel? I have to go back and look now.. :p

[jbrownsjr]

I think it's pretty clear that she would be getting mad props and generating much excitement if she were there. Chris is back after 15 years... it's what 30 years since Tango (which stevie sat out pretty much). I mean it's been half a century since did the white album. And Stevie isn't there with them through all of this? It is very disappointing. It just is.

I think disappointing is the exact word I'm feeling. Even though I goof on her, I want her there and giving her input.

It's almost as if she feels, (pure speculation). Ok fine, Christine gets Lindsey and I get Dave. I'm ok with that as long as she contributes to the actual FM recordings. Which I truly believe she will.

In Stevie's defense she has a huge tour booked with them after just doing a tour. I'm giving it a wait and see before I start foaming. And I will if she blows this opportunity.

[gssmith]

Gee, and people wonder why Stevie seems leery of recording with Fleetwood Mac, but excited about another solo projected with Dave Stewart? What a mystery...one place her ideas are respected and listened too, the other even the "fans" assume the band think of her as a "dumb diva." She's 65 years old, a cultural icon who generations of younger artists look up to and still she gets no respect at home with Fleetwood Mac.

Some people just want a reaction out of you. They are just a tiny % of Mac fans. Don't let it piss you off, laugh it off. I read once that if you have haters your doing something right. How ever that quote went. You know what I mean. Speaking of haters: Who is getting that BMI award? They don't give that award out to just anyone

[elle]

In Stevie's defense she has a huge tour booked with them after just doing a tour.

yes. it's hard living, having to make millions every year. ;)

[elle]

let's bring this thread back from the unnecessary negativity and self-righteousness to what the topic is:

[Oh baby, don't make me wait (whispered like on the Mirage video)]

http://framework.latimes.com/2014/05/01/pictures-in-the-news-906/#/7

Los Angeles: Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie of Fleetwood Mac are collaborating on their first new material in 15 years. The band is hitting the road, including sold-out shows at the Forum in Inglewood, this year with McVie rejoining the storied group.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn2/michelej1/lindschris_zps0d935188.jpg (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/michelej1/media/lindschris_zps0d935188.jpg.html)

But as she touches My Controller, I feel all the testosterone leaking out.- Lindsey Buckingham

:laugh:

SHE'S BACK!!!!

:laugh: love it!!

capitalized "she's back" is exactly what comes to mind when looking at this photo - perfect capture! :cool:

[nicole21290]

Did he cop a feel? I have to go back and look now.. :p

I WISH.

Also, you called? THIS is what I remember of the first sequence with Stevie too. And he took the spirit catcher plenty seriously, lol:

S: Where can we put it?
L: Well, um, you can put in doors area, if you want, or if you want it to sort of wash out over the whole area then we're going to have to put it-
M: The mantle, maybe.
L: - on the mantle.
S: On the mantle maybe?
L: Alright. Let's do that.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/cb1bcda3714866c0031702dd6e9529fd/tumblr_n27xnu4MFk1sn8si8o2_250.gif

http://24.media.tumblr.com/b785b286faaee09966adead54572d94f/tumblr_n27xnu4MFk1sn8si8o3_250.gif

[jbrownsjr]

I WISH.

Also, you called? THIS is what I remember of the first sequence with Stevie too. And he took the spirit catcher plenty seriously, lol:

S: Where can we put it?
L: Well, um, you can put in doors area, if you want, or if you want it to sort of wash out over the whole area then we're going to have to put it-
M: The mantle, maybe.
L: - on the mantle.
S: On the mantle maybe?
L: Alright. Let's do that.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/cb1bcda3714866c0031702dd6e9529fd/tumblr_n27xnu4MFk1sn8si8o2_250.gif

http://24.media.tumblr.com/b785b286faaee09966adead54572d94f/tumblr_n27xnu4MFk1sn8si8o3_250.gif

Haha!! Thanks Nicole! Now go get our woman and get her back with the right man! She belongs with Lindsey, not Dave!! :xoxo:

[nicole21290]

Haha!! Thanks Nicole! Now go get our woman and get her back with the right man! She belongs with Lindsey, not Dave!! :xoxo:

Always a pleasure to share some positivity and GIFs in a thread. :D

And LOL. I'm sure she's well aware of that. Everyone needs a short break from their other half now and again. Keeps things healthy and happy! :laugh:

[aleuzzi]

HONK MY HOOTER! This is a damn good pic! Love it! Love it! Love it!

It makes me so happy.

[DESTINYRU!ES]

I think that Stevie has unresolved issues about being Lindsey's wife and feeling cut off from that time. Dave provides a sense of security that Lindsey has yet to express. He needs to allow himself to get back to feeing "that they were as good as married". As he starts to feel his age he and Stevie might start actually getting along without the war for domination and control. I'm not in anyway saying he doesn't love Kristen but he will feel he has more understanding with Stevie because of shared experince and age. the truce is drawn there will be a beautiful musical channeling of what love is really. We should all be thanking Dave for his help in getting her in a vulnerable place to let Lindsey give her security after all these years. And she will finally let him. Dave made for good practice he is gentle and could've been a therapist. These will be the best songs of honesty from mama nicks. I need u you know me I felt no uncertainty and healing love. Then they can die and the other will feel peace about being left behind.

[vivfox]

I need u you know me I felt no uncertainty and healing love. Then they can die and the other will feel peace about being left behind.

Dude?!? Are you feeling alright?

[DESTINYRU!ES]

Thanks for your concern I m very well bit of a back ache just now and some rest otherwise I don't post much. Time in life is valuable.

[BombaySapphire3]

. Then they can die and the other will feel peace about being left behind.

My money is on Stevie feeling the peace..she has the genetics.Lindsey's brother despite being an Olympic silver medalist in swimming passed of a massive heart attack years ago .He is living on borrowed time precious time.

[michelej1]

My money is on Stevie feeling the peace..she has the genetics.Lindsey's brother despite being an Olympic silver medalist in swimming passed of a massive heart attack years ago .

Stevie really expects to live a long time, just because all of the women in her family did. I love her confidence. She thinks she's going to be burying them right and left.

Lindsey's brother was younger than his father when he passed away. But Jeff is older than Lindsey. So far, so good.

Mick's mom is still dancing.

Sometimes I think, "Man, even with high blood pressure, my grandma lived to be 87. So, it's safe for me to go ahead and eat this cheeseburger."

Michele

[HomerMcvie]

Gee, and people wonder why Stevie seems leery of recording with Fleetwood Mac, but excited about another solo projected with Dave Stewart? What a mystery...one place her ideas are respected and listened too, the other even the "fans" assume the band think of her as a "dumb diva." She's 65 years old, a cultural icon who generations of younger artists look up to and still she gets no respect at home with Fleetwood Mac.

You are quite correct, that she is a cultural icon, and ~almost~ the face of FM(at least to the general public).

And I'm guessing that you also don't see why....ugh...."grounded, normal, realistic people", see things like her spirit catcher:lol::lol::lol:, as sheer lunacy. Something to be mocked. And I'm almost certain that Lindsey and Chris feel the same way.

Only an old hippie could embrace an old hippie...;)

[MoonSister75]

phew.....this thread was quite difficult to get through :shrug: but glad I persevered, some interesting comments over and above the bitching.

Love the Studio picture :D and this :angel:

I WISH.

Also, you called? THIS is what I remember of the first sequence with Stevie too. And he took the spirit catcher plenty seriously, lol:

S: Where can we put it?
L: Well, um, you can put in doors area, if you want, or if you want it to sort of wash out over the whole area then we're going to have to put it-
M: The mantle, maybe.
L: - on the mantle.
S: On the mantle maybe?
L: Alright. Let's do that.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/cb1bcda3714866c0031702dd6e9529fd/tumblr_n27xnu4MFk1sn8si8o2_250.gif

http://24.media.tumblr.com/b785b286faaee09966adead54572d94f/tumblr_n27xnu4MFk1sn8si8o3_250.gif

[KateTheCursed]

You are quite correct, that she is a cultural icon, and ~almost~ the face of FM(at least to the general public).

And I'm guessing that you also don't see why....ugh...."grounded, normal, realistic people", see things like her spirit catcher:lol::lol::lol:, as sheer lunacy. Something to be mocked. And I'm almost certain that Lindsey and Chris feel the same way.

Only an old hippie could embrace an old hippie...;)

Sorry to disappoint you. I'm not an old hippie. I didn't even live through the hippie generation. I just happen to believe in respect. People pass through my life every day with ideas and quirks that I neither like nor agree with, but I still try to respect them and their right to have them. And I hope that respect is returned in kind...But to each their own, feel free to mock me.

[louielouie2000]

You are quite correct, that she is a cultural icon, and ~almost~ the face of FM(at least to the general public).

And I'm guessing that you also don't see why....ugh...."grounded, normal, realistic people", see things like her spirit catcher:lol::lol::lol:, as sheer lunacy. Something to be mocked. And I'm almost certain that Lindsey and Chris feel the same way.

Only an old hippie could embrace an old hippie...;)

Obviously Stevie is hippie dippie; that's her schtick, always has been. But she also lived in Arizona for much of her life. Have you ever spent much time in the southwest? Native American culture/art/traditions/beliefs/etc are far more ingrained as a part of the collective consciousness there than the rest of the US. Folks display things like spirit catchers & such with little or no irony. Plus, when it comes to things like that... it's subliminal. If you believe that a particular object will bring good luck/vibes/whatever, that'll be in the back of your & everyone else's minds every time you see it. The spirit catcher could have been Stevie's way of saying "be nice. I'm the only girl left now." Kind of like the way people wearing crosses reminds you of their faith, and the way you should interact with them.

[shackin'up]

Obviously Stevie is hippie dippie; that's her schtick, always has been. But she also lived in Arizona for much of her life. Have you ever spent much time in the southwest? Native American culture/art/traditions/beliefs/etc are far more ingrained as a part of the collective consciousness there than the rest of the US. Folks display things like spirit catchers & such with little or no irony. Plus, when it comes to things like that... it's subliminal. If you believe that a particular object will bring good luck/vibes/whatever, that'll be in the back of your & everyone else's minds every time you see it. The spirit catcher could have been Stevie's way of saying "be nice. I'm the only girl left now." Kind of like the way people wearing crosses reminds you of their faith, and the way you should interact with them.

And there's nothing wrong with that. On the other hand, if you don't say: 'be nice, I'm the only girl left now' literally, but expect (male) others to interpret it that way, the risk of not achieving what you try to communicate, is pretty big.

[WildHearted]

You are quite correct, that she is a cultural icon, and ~almost~ the face of FM(at least to the general public).

And I'm guessing that you also don't see why....ugh...."grounded, normal, realistic people", see things like her spirit catcher:lol::lol::lol:, as sheer lunacy. Something to be mocked. And I'm almost certain that Lindsey and Chris feel the same way.

Only an old hippie could embrace an old hippie...;)

I see why people think that, but I think it's shameful for anyone to mock something that gives another person peace of mind or good vibes or whatever the hell. Live and let live. If someone wants to carry around a spirit catcher then that's all the better for them, who am I to judge? We've all got our quirks.

And I think "grounded, normal, realistic" is maybe a bit of an exaggeration, if we're talking about the rest of FM.

[Bandon]

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-cm-fleetwood-mac-20140502,0,3614909.story#axzz30ZI8kEQL

Christine and Lindsey wrote a new song called "Too Far Gone" during the past few weeks (I should have put Lindsey's name in the thread title, but couldn't go back and edit). Here's the full studio article from the LA Times.

[elle]

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-cm-fleetwood-mac-20140502,0,3614909.story#axzz30ZI8kEQL

Here's the full studio article from the LA Times.

Her fear gone, Christine McVie's muse soars with Fleetwood Mac reunion

photo: Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie of Fleetwood Mac are collaborating once again. (Michael Robinson Chavez / Los Angeles Times)

Randy Lewis

May 2, 2014, 6:30 a.m.

Christine McVie eases comfortably into the corner of a leather sofa, about a foot between her and Lindsey Buckingham. He leans forward and side by side, they listen to the playback of "Too Far Gone," a danceable new Fleetwood Mac song they've written together over the last few weeks at a West Los Angeles recording studio.

"This was a great collaboration," Buckingham said. "I had a track without any singing on it, and she wrote the song over it."

"We've been doing that quite a bit lately, haven't we?" McVie said.

Helping McVie write songs, Buckingham said to her, "is something you always wanted me to do for you, which was not necessarily the case with Stevie. She's a little more complicated in her needs."

It's a scene that would have been pure rock 'n' roll fantasy barely two years ago.

At that point, McVie was securely ensconced in her 17th century mansion in rural northern England, having retired from touring and recording with a band she'd been part of for a quarter century. Crippled by a fear of flying that made the idea of a trip to Los Angeles — or anywhere else — unthinkable, the '70s rock goddess stopped touring in 1998 and spent much of her time cooking and gardening.

But last week, the woman who wrote and sang many of the group's cornerstone songs, including "Don't Stop," "You Make Loving Fun," and "Little Lies," traded banter cheerfully with Buckingham, who expressed sheer delight at resuming the creative relationship they'd once enjoyed, both saying they've not only picked up where they left off, but agreeing that "it's better than ever."

In fact, it's the same studio they built 35 years ago when the British-American band was starting work on one of the most ambitious projects of the group's storied career, the two-disc "Tusk" album, which followed blockbuster "Rumours," one of the 10 bestselling albums of all time.

After a smiling McVie flashes double thumbs-up to engineer Mark Needham, Mick Fleetwood squeezes his unmistakable 6-foot-5 inch frame through the control room door and starts munching a forkful of salad out of a green plastic container. He grabs a digital camera off a coffee table and points it at his bandmates. McVie obliges him by twisting her mouth into a goofy grimace as he snaps the shot.

"There was some worry about whether it was a good idea to come back here," said Fleetwood, 66. "Maybe it would be better to go someplace new, someplace we hadn't worked before. But since we started working here, it couldn't be more fantastic."

F. Scott Fitzgerald's observation that "there are no second acts in American lives" notwithstanding, it appears that the Grammy-winning quintet is positioning itself for precisely that.

Of the band's five members, only Stevie Nicks isn't on the premises, busy attending to other commitments, they say. While Christine McVie and Buckingham signed off on the latest tweaks to "Too Far Gone," John McVie and Fleetwood worked on other facets of the new material.

McVie's return to the fold for an upcoming full-band reunion tour, announced in January, was surprise enough to music fans who'd been assured for a decade and a half that McVie had checked out of Fleetwood Mac and wasn't coming back. But things began to change a couple of years ago, when she began to reassess her decision.

She continued to write in her self-imposed retirement, and put out an appealing solo album in 2004, "In the Meantime." It was that project that helped plant the seed for her eventual return.

"It had some good songs on it, but I went about it all wrong, " said McVie, 70, still looking the part of the quintessential rock 'n' roll singer and songwriter in her brown leather jacket, over a white tank top and tight black jeans. "I did it the wrong way, with the wrong people, I didn't want to fly, I didn't want to promote it. I just did it in my garage and nothing happened with it. That caused a certain amount of angst, and then I just stopped."

Then a couple of years ago, she sought out a therapist to help her with the fear of flying. "He asked me, 'If you were to go anywhere in the world, where would you want to go?' I thought about it for a little bit, and I said 'Hawaii.'

"He said, 'Buy your ticket.' Then he said, 'You don't have to use it. Just buy it'," she said. Buckingham laughs at her revelation, saying, "I didn't know that part."

After a period of being gradually desensitized to the idea of flying, she said Fleetwood drove to her home to meet her, and together they got on a plane to Maui. There she joined him and her ex-husband, John McVie, at a performance by their blues band.

"I did a couple of songs there, it felt good onstage, and then I thought, I'm really missing out on something—something that's mine, that I've just given up, and I'm not paying respect to my own gift," she said. "I saw that if I want to start to play again, there's only one band I want to play with, and that's Fleetwood Mac."

That led to her first appearance in 15 years with Buckingham, Nicks, McVie and Fleetwood when the 80% edition of the group performed at the O2 Arena in London last year, a one-night reunion that set the stage for her return to the band.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-cm-fleetwood-mac-20140502,0,3614909.story#ixzz30ZK2IWmC

and part 2 -

That would have been reason enough for Fleetwood Mac fans to celebrate, but as McVie put it, her return wasn't simply for the full-group reunion tour now scheduled to start in the fall.

"I committed to join the band hook, line and sinker — recording, everything," she said.

Having overcome her flying fears, a new sense of liberation is manifesting in McVie through an outpouring of songwriting, much of it with Buckingham. Over the last eight weeks, Buckingham said they've written and recorded eight new songs, which will help populate a new Fleetwood Mac album along with seven or eight more the band recorded about 18 months ago while gearing up for a 2013 tour.

Another McVie-Buckingham collaboration they previewed, "How I Feel," is a buoyant number with all the markings of a hit.

"There's a lot of pop in what we've been doing," Buckingham, 64, says with a giddy smile, his signature shock of kinky hair still shooting skyward even as it has morphed over the years from dark brown to salt-and-pepper shades.

Following this round of recording, the album will be shelved while they gear up for the new tour, which opens Sept. 30 in Minneapolis and includes three nights at the Forum in Inglewood.

"I think we both came in with a certain level of ... not anxiety, but acknowledging that there were certain unknowns as to how this was going to go, or where it was going to go, or whether it would only get so far and then hit the wall," Buckingham said. "It's almost like the whole being greater than the sum of the parts, which was always a way to describe Fleetwood Mac.

"When someone takes such a long hiatus, you don't know if that was a moment in time; if that [working relationship] is still there," he said. "You know the potential is still there, but are the tools for getting in touch with it still there? But actually, it's better than ever, wouldn't you say?"

"Absolutely," McVie said instantaneously. "You've heard what the tour is called?" she asks, as if to underscore the theme of rejuvenation for the new chapter in the continuing story that is Fleetwood Mac. "On With the Show," she said, answering her own question.

Working together again, Buckingham said, "has been a really profound couple of months. I can't think of anything better for the next act for this band."

[email protected]

Twitter: @RandyLewis2

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-cm-fleetwood-mac-20140502,0,3614909.story?page=2#ixzz30ZKvqYdp

[jkmaletic]

Considering how much is already done (16 songs according to this article), I wonder why they're shelving it. :shrug: There's plenty of time for rehearsals later.

Release it so they can do the promotion for it before and during the tour.

Jamie

[vivfox]

So many wonderful tid bits of information from that article but this is my favorite quote:"I did a couple of songs there, it felt good onstage, and then I thought, I'm really missing out on something—something that's mine, that I've just given up, and I'm not paying respect to my own gift," she said. "I saw that if I want to start to play again, there's only one band I want to play with, and that's Fleetwood Mac."
It is very nice to know there will be a bunch of Bucky-McVie co written songs. How lovely they gave us 2 titles to think about. Elle, you were correct in your prediction that Lindsey is using the remaining songs originally recorded for the EP. I wonder though, besides the songs he's written with Christine if he has written any new songs by himself since Chris' return that he might contribute to the FM record. I'm sure this makes a lot of you want this BuckVie album released immediately.

[vivfox]

Considering how much is already done (16 songs according to this article), I wonder why they're shelving it. :shrug: There's plenty of time for rehearsals later.

They probably want to perfect it over time. We all know they like a year to make music great.

[BigAl84]

This sounds absurd, but it sounds like stevie is sitting this one out. I don't understand....

Stevie has got to be smarter than that....the entire band is intact making new music and you decide not to be part of it and make a solo album instead??

Unless she is in fact, rolling songs from the Nashville sessions into the new Mac record...you would think they would of mentioned something about stevie's contributions coming later, instead they say next to nothing!

[jkmaletic]

They probably want to perfect it over time. We all know they like a year to make music great.

Then maybe Stevie's solo record WILL be released this month or next, because if she shelves hers as well until after the tour, then the two releases would compete against each other, which would be dumb.

[BigAl84]

oh wait...it sounds like what they meant was, on the day they were there Stevie Nicks happened to not be there. Not that she isn't part of the project. Ok, let's not get hyper lol.

[GavinBrown]

I think this article signals a few things:
1. Stevie had already committed to working on a solo album before Chris's return
2. The reason they are shelving it is because they are waiting for Stevie to add her contributions

[BlueLight]

What a fantastic article! It sounds like Christine is really in a great place.

So, between the two songs referenced here, and the remaining songs the band recorded last year, the songs for the new album potentially include:

Too Far Gone (CM/LB)
How I Feel (CM/LB)
Hunger (LB)
In My World (LB)
Is It Right (LB)
Lay Down For Free (LB)
On With The Show (LB)
Up Your Speed (LB)

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?p=1083450

[MikeVielhaber]

Considering how much is already done (16 songs according to this article), I wonder why they're shelving it. :shrug: There's plenty of time for rehearsals later.

Release it so they can do the promotion for it before and during the tour.

Jamie

Stevie's off doing other things. They aren't going to release an album without Stevie whether we'd like to or not. They're really going at it. I wish Stevie were doing the same. I wonder if she can match their level of creativity for this.

[shackin'up]

Funny, Gone To Far, Too Far Gone, maybe they should tape a Boston gig and release it as Boston, live.

[MikeVielhaber]

I think this article signals a few things:
1. Stevie had already committed to working on a solo album before Chris's return
2. The reason they are shelving it is because they are waiting for Stevie to add her contributions

It said she's off doing other commitments. It doesn't say when she committed to them. There's no indication it was before Christine returned (which has been in the works a lot longer than when they made the announcement) Or that it wasn't, but certainly that can't be deduced from this.

[MikeVielhaber]

What a ridiculous bunch of a-holes!! God, maybe she will kick the bucket soon, and then you can all enjoy a FORVER "Stevie-free" Fleetwood Mac environemt! Then the "dumd Diva" with Spirit Catchers will be out of your hair!

I came to this thread because I thought the picture was cool, and wanted to read the excited comments from the fans...boy, did I have the wrong idea!

I think most comments are of excitement. You cherry picked comments you didn't like.

[bombaysaffires]

This sounds absurd, but it sounds like stevie is sitting this one out. I don't understand....

Stevie has got to be smarter than that....the entire band is intact making new music and you decide not to be part of it and make a solo album instead??

Unless she is in fact, rolling songs from the Nashville sessions into the new Mac record...you would think they would of mentioned something about stevie's contributions coming later, instead they say next to nothing!

I think that's deliberate on their part. Like when Lindsey was writing songs and saying things in the media designed to get her to work on the EP.

I think the way they are deliberately presenting themselves to the media as having such a great time, and look how easy LB is to collaborate with, (not that I think that none of that is true, I just think they are really hyping it) is designed to make Stevie look obstinate or whatever for not joining in. "Hey, here we all are having a blast in the studio and where's Stevie? We'd love for her to be here but……she's off doing other things". I think for now they were careful not to go that far and were respectful in referencing what she was doing but the message was there underneath.

[bombaysaffires]

they recorded SYW in sterile bunker? :confused:

but yeah tastes are different. :)

Now Elle, don't make me come over there….. (quoting my mother…) ;)

We all know Lindsey likes his bunkers. He likes to go underground and burrow in for days and days. (probably not keeping up with niceties like showering and such either). Stevie was just making the house more of a home. So there. :p

[secret love]

I think most comments are of excitement. You cherry picked comments you didn't like.

I agree, yes he did.

[Cammie]

:blob2: :xoxo: :cool: :xoxo: :]

Yah !!! Great Photo!!! Let's play nice...Let's be glad!!!
Just what we wanted..Christine is finally back ! :xoxo:

[secret love]

I see why people think that, but I think it's shameful for anyone to mock something that gives another person peace of mind or good vibes or whatever the hell. Live and let live. If someone wants to carry around a spirit catcher then that's all the better for them, who am I to judge? We've all got our quirks.

And I think "grounded, normal, realistic" is maybe a bit of an exaggeration, if we're talking about the rest of FM.

In the Destiny Rules doco, the scene where Stevie brought a spirit catcher into the studio was very funny, I thought. Lindsey's condescending reaction was priceless and Mick's disinterest was obvious. I can't remember if John was even in the room at the time.

I agree that referring to Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVie, John McVie and Stevie Nicks as a group of "grounded, normal, realistic people" is obviously an exaggeration. I don't think "grounded, normal, realistic people" would have regularly snorted cocaine for a decade lol.

Finally, the arguments I've read in this thread amuse me no end. Chiffonheads vs Guitar Heroes!!!

I presume that many comments made here have been intended as sarcastic or ironic.

[michelej1]

And I'm guessing that you also don't see why....ugh...."grounded, normal, realistic people", see things like her spirit catcher:lol::lol::lol:, as sheer lunacy. Something to be mocked. And I'm almost certain that Lindsey and Chris feel the same way.



That's the thing. I don't know about Lindsey. But Christine's mother was a PSYCHIC. She used to go away on ghost-hunting trips. I don't know if Chris believes in ghosts, but she did believe in her mother's healing and psychic power and she believes in her brother's too. I don't think she thinks spirit catchers are crazy.

From Mick's last column where he gave some psychic $5000 and walked away with his other last $5000 in his shoe, I don't believe HE thinks spirit catchers are crazy.

I don't know about John and Lindsey, but Mick did say one time he walked in and saw John praying to his "Gods" (plural) to help him on the album and that's when Mick knew things had gotten out of hand, because John wasn't that type of person.

So, I don't know if most of the group thinks spiritcatchers are crazy. But yes, I think they think Stevie is fairly crazy. I think all of them Mick, Lindsey and Stevie are crazy in different ways, though.

Michele

[gypsy4life]

I think most comments are of excitement. You cherry picked comments you didn't like.

I agree, yes he did.

First, I am a woman, not a man.
Second, I highlighted the most appalling and offensive comments because they were my point.

I like to back up what I am talking about. Thanks.

[michelej1]

Also, like I said yesterday, do you remember that time Christine said that there was a person with a blood disease like leukemia and they sent her mother a glove from the sick person and Tee slept with it under her pillow for several days and then the next thing they heard the leukemia had been cured?

She believed that her mother did that. Not to mention that wart on Christine's nose.

Michele

[secret love]

Sorry to disappoint you. I'm not an old hippie. I didn't even live through the hippie generation. I just happen to believe in respect. People pass through my life every day with ideas and quirks that I neither like nor agree with, but I still try to respect them and their right to have them. And I hope that respect is returned in kind...But to each their own, feel free to mock me.

I, like you, am not an old hippie. I'm 20. So someone called you a hippie? Doesn't that mean you're someone whose political views are left of centre? Some who is anti-establishment and smokes a lot of weed?

If the person who called you a hippie intended it as an insult, they could do better. It's a rather weak insult especially coming from some internet stranger.

I also believe in respect. When other people's views don't match our own though, I think you'd understand that it can feel a little jarring, yeah?

If Stevie Nicks dumped a "spirit catcher" in my recording studio I'd be thinking to myself "What the f--- is that thing? It looks like some sort of abstract art. Oh it's a spirit catcher, Stevie? And how does it catch spirits? And how is that going to help us make a good album?"

That's what I'd think. What I'd say would simply be something like "Oh okay that's great. It looks very...interesting...um...I don't know where you should put it. Maybe on the mantelpiece."

I guess my point is, yes it's great that we respect other people's views when they differ from our own. Even though we don't hold it against a person that she has different views to us, we might still think she's a bit kooky (even if we don't say that out loud).

Ah...I need to get some sleep. It's 3 am in Australia.

[michelej1]

[B]"This was a great collaboration," Buckingham said. "I had a track without any singing on it, and she wrote the song over it."



So, I always thought this album would be like Tango and it sounds like it is -- without Eddy. That's how Christine described Tango, that she put music to one of Lindsey's songs and did the reverse and put words to one of his songs without music.

I also think it's funny that we were wishing he could do Gone Too Far with the Mac and they end up having a song called Too Far Gone.

Very happy with this.

Michele

[bombaysaffires]

hmmm.. wasn't Stevie not all that thrilled with Mark Needham on SYW and how he mixed her songs? That's when she tried out Chris Lord-Alge and eventually seemed to cave and just go along with using Mark. Maybe it's not just Lindsey producing that she's uncertain about.

[elle]

Considering how much is already done (16 songs according to this article), I wonder why they're shelving it. :shrug: There's plenty of time for rehearsals later.

Release it so they can do the promotion for it before and during the tour.

yes. i'm heartbroken.

i don't think there's much doubt on why they are delaying the album. and i'm extremely unhappy with them for doing it, as you can imagine. :distress:

[jbrownsjr]

Helping McVie write songs, Buckingham said to her, "is something you always wanted me to do for you, which was not necessarily the case with Stevie. She's a little more complicated in her needs."


That says a lot.....

[bombaysaffires]

Helping McVie write songs, Buckingham said to her, "is something you always wanted me to do for you, which was not necessarily the case with Stevie. She's a little more complicated in her needs."


That says a lot.....

I thought his choice of words was interesting… "do for you" rather than "do WITH you". I think it's revealing of his perspective.

[jbrownsjr]

You And I Part III!!

[jkmaletic]

yes. i'm heartbroken.

i don't think there's much doubt on why they are delaying the album. and i'm extremely unhappy with them for doing it, as you can imagine. :distress:

I hope you're not insinuating that it's Stevie's fault. If what Mick says is true, she should be done in Nashville this week or so. Then she can fly back to LA and finish her songs with FM. This would still leave plenty of time to release it, promote it and then tour behind it.

Jamie

[elle]

hmmm.. wasn't Stevie not all that thrilled with Mark Needham on SYW and how he mixed her songs?

yes, i've noticed that interesting tidbit of info thrown in too! like they are saying "ok, you don't want to be here, guess what, we'll do whatever we want then!" unfortunately that still stopped short of releasing the album. if Needham is there, that would mean all these songs are not just recorded but already mixed.

[michelej1]

I thought his choice of words was interesting… "do for you" rather than "do WITH you". I think it's revealing of his perspective.

Yes, in that sentence, but he says he had a track without singing on it and she wrote a song over it, indicating that he knows he had a track that wasn't really a song yet, until she made it something complete.

Michele

[Christopher]

Helping McVie write songs, Buckingham said to her, "is something you always wanted me to do for you, which was not necessarily the case with Stevie. She's a little more complicated in her needs."


That says a lot.....

The bottom line, is that Stevie & Lindsey have too much baggage to co-write together now. Stevie, pretty much underscored that fact by re-visiting the thorn in her side that was the "Thrown Down" incident in her IYD documentary. Besides, they never attempted to ever co-write, not even when they were a happy go lucky couple in the early 70's :shrug:

I don't think it Lindsey's statment towards Stevie says anything at all. I wouldn't read too much in to it, other than sour grapes.;)

[elle]

I thought his choice of words was interesting… "do for you" rather than "do WITH you". I think it's revealing of his perspective.

may or may not be, but i've noticed it too and didn't like it. ever heard of partnership, Buckingham!?

[michelej1]

I hope you're not insinuating that it's Stevie's fault. If what Mick says is true, she should be done in Nashville this week or so. Then she can fly back to LA and finish her songs with FM. This would still leave plenty of time to release it, promote it and then tour behind it.

Jamie

To the extent that this is a message interview, I think it's pretty clear that Stevie has no plans to fly back to Los Angeles and do any FM songs. No current plans, but they probably hope some will materialize.

It seems to me that Stevie in Nashville (through Dave) and FM in Los Angeles are speaking to one another this way.

Michele

[elle]

You And I Part III!!

please no.

[michelej1]

Besides, they never attempted to ever co-write, not even when they were a happy go lucky couple in the early 70's :shrug:



Right and when Stevie talked about World Turning it didn't sound like the fact that they never co-wrote anything together was her choice. It didn't seem like something Lindsey even wanted to do with her in those days.

Since SYW, I think he has wanted to try to do that, but as she said, they are not Lennon and McCartney and it wouldn't work.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

To the extent that this is a message interview, I think it's pretty clear that Stevie has no plans to fly back to Los Angeles and do any FM songs. No current plans, but they probably hope some will materialize.

It seems to me that Stevie in Nashville (through Dave) and FM in Los Angeles are speaking to one another this way.

Michele

I agree. Hence my post , "Helping McVie write songs, Buckingham said to her, "is something you always wanted me to do for you, which was not necessarily the case with Stevie. She's a little more complicated in her needs."

Definitely meant to be read by the other party.

[jbrownsjr]

please no.

You be quiet and go back to your subtle Stevie shaming! :xoxo:

[elle]

To the extent that this is a message interview, I think it's pretty clear that Stevie has no plans to fly back to Los Angeles and do any FM songs. No current plans, but they probably hope some will materialize.

It seems to me that Stevie in Nashville (through Dave) and FM in Los Angeles are speaking to one another this way.


yeah it's pretty transparent from both sides. like in 2012/13 when they were discussing this same album and potentially releasing some of the songs before 2013 tour.

you think FM foursome sent the article to SN as a heads up? it would seem there may be some such clauses that they all at least need to inform each other what they are putting out in press under FM heading. and since they mention at least 15, maybe 16 songs done, i'm highly amused by that exact same number of songs in DS's tweet.

[michelej1]

yes. i'm heartbroken.

i don't think there's much doubt on why they are delaying the album. and i'm extremely unhappy with them for doing it, as you can imagine. :distress:

I knew there wouldn't be anything in 2014. I just keep hoping there might be a release before the 2nd leg of the tour. When I learn that there won't be, that's when I'll be heartbroken.

Michele

[wheart]

That was a great article. I'm really quite excited to hear about the new songs. So Chris and Lindsey actually writing songs together is a first, yes?

[elle]

I hope you're not insinuating that it's Stevie's fault.

no, i'm saying that it's FM's fault for deciding to wait for her instead of putting the album out.

[michelej1]

I agree. Hence my post , "Helping McVie write songs, Buckingham said to her, "is something you always wanted me to do for you, which was not necessarily the case with Stevie. She's a little more complicated in her needs."

Definitely meant to be read by the other party.

He's a complete idiot. The last thing he should be talking about is writing anything with her. Dave and Stevie should let Christine and Lindsey slap vocals on 3 of the songs Dave produced for Stevie and put those on an FM album along with the songs Christine and Lindsey have forged together and then put out an album. They are not going to work together as a group of 5, so work together as a group of 4 and 1 and let's just get something done.

Michele

[Christopher]

I hope you're not insinuating that it's Stevie's fault. If what Mick says is true, she should be done in Nashville this week or so. Then she can fly back to LA and finish her songs with FM. This would still leave plenty of time to release it, promote it and then tour behind it.

Jamie

I agree, Stevie obviously had "commitments" in place for 2014 before they officially declared Christine was back in the band. The "Today Show" announcement & interview about the tour and Christines return conspicuously made NO mention about any new record. That stood out like a sore thumb. That's when I knew "On With The Show" was going to simply be a "Greatest Hits" trek.
If a FM record is released, it will probably be Spring 2015, and Stevie will be involved, one way or another. Stevie's solo record will likely be released afterwards.

[michelej1]

That was a great article. I'm really quite excited to hear about the new songs. So Chris and Lindsey actually writing songs together is a first, yes?

No, it isn't. They wrote together in the past. They didn't sit elbow to elbow writing, but the way they described it is they gave tracks to each other and worked on each other's music, for Tango, for instance.

Michele

[elle]

That was a great article. I'm really quite excited to hear about the new songs. So Chris and Lindsey actually writing songs together is a first, yes?

nope, they've done it since BN first joined FM.

but i don't think they've ever co-written so many songs together, at least not on one album.

[elle]

He's a complete idiot.

agree. :nod:

[michelej1]

Speaking of "On with the Show" that gave me a chuckle. Christine is like,
do you know the name of the tour? Then she says that like it's something momentous and awe-inspiring. Um, it may mean something to you guys, but it's not that authentic a tour title to us.

Michele

[elle]

I agree, Stevie obviously had "commitments" in place for 2014 before they officially declared Christine was back in the band. The "Today Show" announcement & interview about the tour and Christines return conspicuously made NO mention about any new record. That stood out like a sore thumb. That's when I knew "On With The Show" was going to simply be a "Greatest Hits" trek.
If a FM record is released, it will probably be Spring 2015, and Stevie will be involved, one way or another. Stevie's solo record will likely be released afterwards.

it's interesting that at the start of 2014 SN said she has no idea what she will do in the first part of 2014, before they start tour rehearsals, that her schedule is wide open.

at about the same time Mick was mentioning in some interview at the beginning of 2014 that 4 out of 5 members of FM will go into the studio in march.

we were speculating at the time who will not be in the studio, and most thought it's John because of his treatments. this article clears up any of that confusion. John was there with them.

[michelej1]

That's what I'd think. What I'd say would simply be something like "Oh okay that's great. It looks very...interesting...um...I don't know where you should put it. Maybe on the mantelpiece."



Right. Their reaction to Stevie was perfectly polite. And anyway, they had known the woman for 30 years, I don't think .... I don't think you have any particular reaction to the crazy things someone you love and know well may or may not do after all of that time.

I can't remember what Mick did in the documentary. Did he take his shirt off when he exercised or do something zany? I can't recall now, but I remember thinking that, "When he does something strange like that, the others don't even raise an eyebrow anymore. They're so used to each other's eccentricities."

Stevie once was talking about the new crop of young singers (i.e. Britney) and how they capitalize on shock value not realizing that the shock eventually wears off. Stevie said when you see a naked person often enough, you just stop looking up when they pass. That's how I feel about FM. They have seen each other do so many wacky things, that they become inured to it, even if they thought it was strange in the beginning. Probably by 1980 it was "yawn, that again?"

Michele

[BLY]

Dave and Stevie should let Christine and Lindsey slap vocals on 3 of the songs Dave produced for Stevie and put those on an FM album along with the songs Christine and Lindsey have forged together and then put out an album. They are not going to work together as a group of 5, so work together as a group of 4 and 1 and let's just get something done.

Michele


Yes and put it out as the tour is about to begin.

[MikeVielhaber]

First, I am a woman, not a man.
Second, I highlighted the most appalling and offensive comments because they were my point.

I like to back up what I am talking about. Thanks.

Whether you picked all of the negative ones are just some of them they're still a small minority. Most people are excited.

[Christopher]

it's interesting that at the start of 2014 SN said she has no idea what she will do in the first part of 2014, before they start tour rehearsals, that her schedule is wide open.

at about the same time Mick was mentioning in some interview at the beginning of 2014 that 4 out of 5 members of FM will go into the studio in march.

we were speculating at the time who will not be in the studio, and most thought it's John because of his treatments. this article clears up any of that confusion. John was there with them.

It's apparent now, that Stevie was being reticent on purpose (which many of us already believed). Stevie signed a 5 record contract with WBR in 1996, hence her commitment to begin this 5th solo release w/ Reprise. Fleetwood Mac does not have any contractual deal in place to release these new recordings. Stevie is not going to be promoting a record to the press/media that has not been agreed upon or signed on the dotted line.

[MikeVielhaber]

it's interesting that at the start of 2014 SN said she has no idea what she will do in the first part of 2014, before they start tour rehearsals, that her schedule is wide open.

at about the same time Mick was mentioning in some interview at the beginning of 2014 that 4 out of 5 members of FM will go into the studio in march.

we were speculating at the time who will not be in the studio, and most thought it's John because of his treatments. this article clears up any of that confusion. John was there with them.

Yes, I do remember that comment. People thinking well her schedule shouldn't be wide open because she should be working in the studio with FM. It seemed like she was adamant that she would be doing something other than FM until tour rehearsals.

[elle]

Dave and Stevie should let Christine and Lindsey slap vocals on 3 of the songs Dave produced for Stevie and put those on an FM album along with the songs Christine and Lindsey have forged together and then put out an album. They are not going to work together as a group of 5, so work together as a group of 4 and 1 and let's just get something done.

or better yet, just add a few songs done by dave and stevie as they are, without any additions, to the rest of the songs done by the 4 macsters, and put the album out.

that way we'll have to read the complaints from shackinup and rockaway about uneven production, but that's still better than having to read how lindsey & christine's *horrible* vocals ruined stevie's sublime songs. ;)

Yes and put it out as the tour is about to begin.
yes, absolutely! :thumbsup:

[michelej1]

that way we'll have to read the complaints from shackinup and rockaway about uneven production, but that's still better than having to read how lindsey & christine's *horrible* vocals ruined stevie's sublime songs. ;)




To be fair, more people complained that Stevie's voice ruined Lindsey's GOS songs than ever complained that his voice ruined her songs. The main complaint was that his production ruined it. They didn't talk about his voice. I liked his voice on Thrown Down and EFO and I liked her voice on Miranda.

In concert though, I did see people saying that Lindsey was yelling on Dreams and made them jump every time he sang harmony, because his voice was so discordant. That made me laugh, but I don't even know that they were wrong. Lindsey is always yelling in concert. In fact, I was mesmerized during the UTS tour when Not Too Late started soft, but by the end of the tour he was screaming the lyrics on that one too. He's a character.

I agree with you about people talking about uneven production. Let's just try to have consistent production on 2/3 of the album and let Dave and Stevie have carte blanche on their 1/3.

Lindsey should keep his paws off of that. Don't even play guitar on it, because I don't want him to be accused of hogging or showboating instrumentally on her songs.

That reminds me of Rhiannon in concert, though. Hey, Christine is back, maybe we can get the old guitar riff back on that song.

Michele

[elle]

Yes, I do remember that comment. People thinking well her schedule shouldn't be wide open because she should be working in the studio with FM. It seemed like she was adamant that she would be doing something other than FM until tour rehearsals.

yeah, wasn't she asking Dave Grohl whether he'd be open for some touring with her since she has nothing to do before FM?

[BLY]

If I was their manager I would take all of Stevie and Dave's recordings and everything Christine and Lindsey has done plus the 8 that was done and add vocals, etc. and put out two albums. The first in the fall of 2012 and the second in the spring of 2015. Pipe dream I know but it would be a win win.

[michelej1]

yeah, wasn't she asking Dave Grohl whether he'd be open for some touring with her since she has nothing to do before FM?

Stevie was actively looking for work, to fill her open schedule. She even found a Big Boy's and asked if she could come in as a waitress and work up until the FM tour started, "I know I'm a little rusty but I'll share my tips."

Michele

[elle]

Stevie was actively looking for work, to fill her open schedule. She even found a Big Boy's and asked if she could come in as a waitress and work up until the FM tour started, "I know I'm a little rusty but I'll share my tips."

Michele

:laugh::laugh:

[michelej1]

If I was their manager I would take all of Stevie and Dave's recordings and everything Christine and Lindsey has done plus the 8 that was done and add vocals, etc. and put out two albums. The first in the fall of 2012 and the second in the spring of 2015. Pipe dream I know but it would be a win win.

That raises a question about their management. They had all been under the same umbrella for awhile but if FM is still with Irving Azoff, I wonder if Stevie is.

Michele

[jkmaletic]

Stevie was actively looking for work, to fill her open schedule. She even found a Big Boy's and asked if she could come in as a waitress and work up until the FM tour started, "I know I'm a little rusty but I'll share my tips."

Michele

:laugh:

"You mean the shakes aren't served in faux-silver goblets anymore??"

[BlueDenimLamp]

That raises a question about their management. They had all been under the same umbrella for awhile but if FM is still with Irving Azoff, I wonder if Stevie is.

Michele

In the "IYD" book Stevie lists her management as "HK Management...Howard Kaufman and Sheryl Louis"
No mention of Azoff

[Kena]

Right. Their reaction to Stevie was perfectly polite. And anyway, they had known the woman for 30 years, I don't think .... I don't think you have any particular reaction to the crazy things someone you love and know well may or may not do after all of that time.
I can't remember what Mick did in the documentary. Did he take his shirt off when he exercised or do something zany? I can't recall now, but I remember thinking that, "When he does something strange like that, the others don't even raise an eyebrow anymore. They're so used to each other's eccentricities."Stevie once was talking about the new crop of young singers (i.e. Britney) and how they capitalize on shock value not realizing that the shock eventually wears off. Stevie said when you see a naked person often enough, you just stop looking up when they pass. That's how I feel about FM. They have seen each other do so many wacky things, that they become inured to it, even if they thought it was strange in the beginning. Probably by 1980 it was "yawn, that again?"

Michele

I totally agree!

They all seem to be pretty secure with themselves. In regards to Stevie showing up with the Spirit Catcher I doubt she thought "hum wonder what the guys will think of this? Karen do you think I should bring it or not..will they think I'm too weird?"
Besides this is the same woman who also showed up with a Billy Big Mouth singing fish!

[michelej1]

In the "IYD" book Stevie lists her management as "HK Management...Howard Kaufman and Sheryl Louis"
No mention of Azoff

And I'm just not clear on what kind of relationship Howard Kaufman and Irving Azoff have with each other, right now.

Michele

[wheart]

nope, they've done it since BN first joined FM.

but i don't think they've ever co-written so many songs together, at least not on one album.

cool. I only ask because I don't remember reading shared songwriting credits on any past FM albums. It seemed like they were written either entirely by Chris or entirely by Lindsey. But perhaps I just missed it.

[BlueDenimLamp]

And I'm just not clear on what kind of relationship Howard Kaufman and Irving Azoff have with each other, right now.

Michele

"HK" is also listed as management in the "Crystal Visions" book...
Azoff is listed in the CV book credits...

[jbrownsjr]

Buckingham/McVie

World Turning
Isn't It Midnight
You and I 1 & 2
Mystified
Gone Too Far
How I Feel

And then there's

Don't Stop (Christine) Lindsey vocal
Hold Me (Christine) LIndsey vocal
Think About Me (Christine) Lindsey vocal

[michelej1]

But they wrote Ricky together too. Of course, maybe that's not a good thing for some people.:laugh:

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

But they wrote Ricky together too. Of course, maybe that's not a good thing for some people.:laugh:

Michele

I had a feeling you'd chime in with that one. ;)

[jbrownsjr]

"When someone takes such a long hiatus, you don't know if that was a moment in time; if that [working relationship] is still there," he said. "You know the potential is still there, but are the tools for getting in touch with it still there? But actually, it's better than ever, wouldn't you say?"
"Absolutely," McVie said instantaneously.

[michelej1]

"When someone takes such a long hiatus, you don't know if that was a moment in time; if that [working relationship] is still there," he said. "You know the potential is still there, but are the tools for getting in touch with it still there? But actually, it's better than ever, wouldn't you say?"
"Absolutely," McVie said instantaneously.

It would have been awkward if she'd hesitated, looked down and started twisting her locks, before answering.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

It would have been awkward if she'd hesitated, looked down and started twisting her locks, before answering.

Michele

"Shtevie don't leave me in this wilderness, I'll give you your 5 million dollars back!"

[elle]

Whether you picked all of the negative ones are just some of them they're still a small minority. Most people are excited.

exactly! and people keep discussing their excitement, so why keep amping up the negativity?

that said....... if you think nobody should criticize your favorite member or have a little fun at their expense, maybe you need to just stay in the forum that's dedicated to that specific member. i took a look into SN forum and there's tons of spitting on LB's musical contributions as well as name-calling of his fans - but it's SN forum, a place where her fans can play together and enjoy their groupthink.

if you come to the Rumours forum, it makes sense to have discussions from all angles and expect equal praise and criticizing of all FM members; not everyone will think that your favorite farts rainbows while everyone else can make nothing but crap ;). so if you can't stand your favorite being criticized and the only thing you have to contribute to the discussion is expressing your outrage over that, maybe you shouldn't be coming to the band forum.

yes, there are many many LB fans who left TL and don't think it's worth to ever come back here anymore. but lately there has been some newcomers on all sides and they are throwing some interesting opinions or knowledge in the mix, so there's at least a bit of discussion now. and open discussion without walking on eggshells all the time shouldn't be a bad thing.

[KateTheCursed]

I, like you, am not an old hippie. I'm 20. So someone called you a hippie? Doesn't that mean you're someone whose political views are left of centre? Some who is anti-establishment and smokes a lot of weed?


I don't think anyone called me a hippie, just implied that only a hippie could/would relate to Stevie & her spirit catcher. But I do in a way relate...as for your above definition of a hippie, I fail on most every count.

[welcomechris]

What a fantastic article! It sounds like Christine is really in a great place.

So, between the two songs referenced here, and the remaining songs the band recorded last year, the songs for the new album potentially include:

Too Far Gone (CM/LB)
How I Feel (CM/LB)
Family Party (LB)
Hunger (LB)
I'm A Jazz Man (LB)
In My World (LB)
Is It Right (LB)
Lay Down For Free (LB)
On With The Show (LB)
Up Your Speed (LB)

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?p=1083450

I don't know: Family Party and I'm A Jazz Man Sound Like "Family Man" Remixes

[jbrownsjr]

exactly! and people keep discussing their excitement, so why keep amping up the negativity?

that said....... if you think nobody should criticize your favorite member or have a little fun at their expense, maybe you need to just stay in the forum that's dedicated to that specific member. i took a look into SN forum and there's tons of spitting on LB's musical contributions as well as name-calling of his fans - but it's SN forum, a place where her fans can play together and enjoy their groupthink.

if you come to the Rumours forum, it makes sense to have discussions from all angles and expect equal praise and criticizing of all FM members; not everyone will think that your favorite farts rainbows while everyone else can make nothing but crap ;). so if you can't stand your favorite being criticized and the only thing you have to contribute to the discussion is expressing your outrage over that, maybe you shouldn't be coming to the band forum.

yes, there are many many LB fans who left TL and don't think it's worth to ever come back here anymore. but lately there has been some newcomers on all sides and they are throwing some interesting opinions or knowledge in the mix, so there's at least a bit of discussion now. and open discussion without walking on eggshells all the time shouldn't be a bad thing.

The Christine fans are what makes the ledge worth all of it.

[aleuzzi]

This is great news!

8 songs!!

Plus the other existing 8.

Christine has really valued collaboration since her 1984 solo album. She's a team player. And there's no doubt she really wanted Lindsey to work WITH her on songs. But why, oh why, does he have to be such an a** sometimes? "That's something you always wanted me to do FOR you..." I'm sure he didn't mean it as an insult, but the guy really doesn't have a sense of tact.

The comment about Stevie's needs being more complicated is certainly a dig. A public criticism of her. Implied in it, too, is his sense that she needs him but won't admit it. She, in turn, is pretty much publicly showing the world she doesn't need HIM and can turn to her other soulmate. It's all so pathetic, really. These two and their ongoing conflicts.

What I wish the article gave us is a teaser of the actual two tunes mentioned! Just a teaser--30 seconds each!!

[elle]

The Christine fans are what makes the ledge worth all of it.

But of course! :xoxo:

And they bring in much needed voice of reason........ and lots of refreshing sarcasm. :D :p

[elle]

This is great news!

8 songs!!

Plus the other existing 8.

Christine has really valued collaboration since her 1984 solo album. She's a team player. And there's no doubt she really wanted Lindsey to work WITH her on songs. But why, oh why, does he have to be such an a** sometimes? "That's something you always wanted me to do FOR you..." I'm sure he didn't mean it as an insult, but the guy really doesn't have a sense of tact.

The comment about Stevie's needs being more complicated is certainly a dig. A public criticism of her. Implied in it, too, is his sense that she needs him but won't admit it. She, in turn, is pretty much publicly showing the world she doesn't need HIM and can turn to her other soulmate. It's all so pathetic, really. These two and their ongoing conflicts.

What I wish the article gave us is a teaser of the actual two tunes mentioned! Just a teaser--30 seconds each!!

i agree with everything in this post (especially about the teaser! but if they released the teaser now it really wouldn't make sense to wait for another WHOLE YEAR to release all that new music), except the part that i bolded.

i don't think LB thinks SN needs HIM, specifically, anymore. but he would love to work with her, and forget about the baggage. last year he suggested they do exactly what he and Christine described they did on that one song where he had music but no lyrics.

but yes, i think you pinpointed the exact reason why SHE (SN) doesn't want to work with LB anymore - because she's trying to make sure nobody interprets their possible collaborations as she not being able to work without him. all the bitc*ing of SN fans how LB has ruined every song of hers that he touched since Mirage is all going in that same direction too "she doesn't need him, people!".

[Bandon]

I don't know: Family Party and I'm A Jazz Man Sound Like "Family Man" Remixes

Trust me, I've had them since 1987.:nod:

[dontlookdown]

All the conjecture and speculation about the dynamics between Stevie and the rest of the band is really funny to me.

This is how they've always recorded albums together.
I don't see anything different happening this time around, other than a very active/productive Stevie Nicks.
The band does their thing and Stevie is present only when she needs to be.
She has never hung around while all the other parts are worked on.
No need for concern or fake drama -- this is how FM works.

I'm really happy/excited about all of this after reading the article in the LA Times this morning. The fact that Lindsey and Christine are working together without Stevie is great news. Good things always come out of Buckingham/McVie collaborations.

[shackin'up]

I don't know: Family Party and I'm A Jazz Man Sound Like "Family Man" Remixes

Yes, to me too. But then again: they recorded 8 songs in 2012. Minus the three LB songs from the EP, we would have 5 left. Minus the remixes and the two CM collabs, this list leaves one too many....:shrug:

[Bandon]

A. Of course they are gonna say the album will be released after the tour because they had just started recording and didn't know how long it would take. Why would they give a date that's sooner with all of the unknowns? Were they really going to say before starting...oh yeah, we are going to release this album we have barely started on within like five or six months.

B. Maybe it's going quicker than they thought. I'm an optimist and think it's possible they may have it ready by the fall. Or not....but it's possible, and the information we're getting is hopeful.

C. Would they prefer to release the album prior or during the first part of the tour? Of course, that's a no brainer!

By the way...Family Part and I'm a Jazz Man are definitely from Tango's Family Man....duh:nod:

[aleuzzi]

All the conjecture and speculation about the dynamics between Stevie and the rest of the band is really funny to me.

This is how they've always recorded albums together.
I don't see anything different happening this time around, other than a very active/productive Stevie Nicks.
The band does their thing and Stevie is present only when she needs to be.
She has never hung around while all the other parts are worked on.
No need for concern or fake drama -- this is how FM works.

I'm really happy/excited about all of this after reading the article in the LA Times this morning. The fact that Lindsey and Christine are working together without Stevie is great news. Good things always come out of Buckingham/McVie collaborations.

It's not that the dynamics are new or shocking in themselves. You are absolutely right that this is the way they have always proceeded.

But what is so pathetic is that they are all well over 60, 35 years have passed since their breakups, and yet Lindsey and Stevie in particular cannot change their damn tune! They still take passive aggressive hits on each other through the press, a practice that started in 1978...

You'd think after all this time, they might enjoy each other's company and the gift their collective energy brings with it. Instead, it's business as usual.

[Hawkeye]

Am I alone on not wanting danceable Christine? I want moody or bluesy Christine like an oh daddy or you make loving fun. Or heart of stone even.

Unless of course this new danceable song takes the place of stand back in the set. Then I'm all for it!

[michelej1]

All the conjecture and speculation about the dynamics between Stevie and the rest of the band is really funny to me.

This is how they've always recorded albums together.
I don't see anything different happening this time around, other than a very active/productive Stevie Nicks.
The band does their thing and Stevie is present only when she needs to be.


If it wasn't cause for concern within the band, it wouldn't be cause for concern for me. But they clearly are having problems with each other.

Before SYW Stevie was telling everyone how she'd given Lindsey her demos. Everyone knew that the band was working without her and she would join her after the TISL work was finished, so fans had nothing to wonder about at all. But this time around the band seems doubtful and as a fan, since they don't know what the future holds, I worry about getting anything other than the tour dates this year that are already carved in stone.

It's a sea of uncertainty, not because Stevie isn't there, but because Stevie isn't there and the band seems worried. Believe me if he wasn't doubtful, Mick's booksigning comments would have been a lot more definite.

Michele

[nicole21290]

But of course! :xoxo:

And they bring in much needed voice of reason........ and lots of refreshing sarcasm. :D :p

But they have nothing on the unbiased, sensible, non-presumptive, logical statements and explanations from Lindsey fans...

[michelej1]

What I also wonder is who is FM's publicist now? Remember earlier this year when Liz confirmed Christine's return and the tour plans? That indicated that either she was FM's publicist too or FM didn't have its own.

So, does FM have its own publicist now?

[elle]

But they have nothing on the unbiased, sensible, non-presumptive, logical statements and explanations from Lindsey fans...

finally you realize it!! :D :angel:

[nicole21290]

i don't think LB thinks SN needs HIM, specifically, anymore. but he would love to work with her, and forget about the baggage. last year he suggested they do exactly what he and Christine described they did on that one song where he had music but no lyrics.

but yes, i think you pinpointed the exact reason why SHE (SN) doesn't want to work with LB anymore - because she's trying to make sure nobody interprets their possible collaborations as she not being able to work without him. all the bitc*ing of SN fans how LB has ruined every song of hers that he touched since Mirage is all going in that same direction too "she doesn't need him, people!".

The baggage they proclaimed was gone in 1997, 2003, etc? LOL. He was saying this back in the SYW era as well - talking about working from the ground up with her. Amounts to pretty much the same thing.

And yet in 2011 she went on and on and on about how no one could possibly have helped on Soldier's Angel except for him, about how wonderful a job he did, blah blah blah. She's talked plenty about how he's helped her out and improved her songs. And I really see very few Stevie fans who think Lindsey has ruined EVERY song of her since Mirage. Slight exaggeration there. Yes, some people think he cocked up on certain songs on SYW in particular but while some may think he hasn't brought anything TO them, I doubt many think he's made ALL of them worse. Certain Stevie fans seem to have an automatic dislike of anyone 'proving' she's not able to do everything herself, tbh. She may want people to know how successful and great she is on her own, but she also has no hesitation in talking about that Buckingham Nicks entity as extremely important and something she's proud of. SHE'S the one who made that off the cuff comment about running off to Wales to make BNII together, for goodness' sake. :D

She just wants him to be happy. It's better for him and better for her. "Hopefully this record will give him back a sense of purpose and delight. He's in a way better space now and it's wonderful for me to see that. I care about him and his life and what he does and if he's happy. I so want him to be okay. This record is his baby and I really think he's gone and done that great thing he always wanted to do." (2003)

[elle]

And I really see very few Stevie fans who think Lindsey has ruined EVERY song of her since Mirage.

you must have not looked through the most recent threads in this and SN forum. :shrug:

either there are many of them, or there really are very few but really loud ones.

[elle]

But what is so pathetic is that they are all well over 60, 35 years have passed since their breakups, and yet Lindsey and Stevie in particular cannot change their damn tune! They still take passive aggressive hits on each other through the press, a practice that started in 1978...

You'd think after all this time, they might enjoy each other's company and the gift their collective energy brings with it. Instead, it's business as usual.
except now the rest of the band (or at least Mick and Christine, we haven't heard from John) are joining in with Lindsey in that. so that may mean something (and no, i don't think Mick is just a money whore explanation would fly... one certainly can't say the same about Christine).

It's a sea of uncertainty, not because Stevie isn't there, but because Stevie isn't there and the band seems worried. Believe me if he wasn't doubtful, Mick's booksigning comments would have been a lot more definite.
yup.

[nicole21290]

finally you realize it!! :D :angel:

Yes, it's a regular old road to Damascus moment...

BTW, your post count must be rocketing up with all this 'fun' stuff to talk about and say. I'm impressed with your stamina, shall we say.

[nicepace]

I am totally clueless. Could someone please explain, what is a spirit catcher?

[nicole21290]

you must have not looked through the most recent threads in this and SN forum. :shrug:

either there are many of them, or there really are very few but really loud ones.

I have. I read every single thing on FM, L, S and C threads, actually. And have read the entirety of all threads going back to 2002. I also frequent L/S/FM Facebook groups, as well as tumblr and twitter - for both extreme L and extreme S fans as well as the in between. I think your perception is slightly off, shall we say, because of inherent biases and opinions that you're going in with...

And yes, it's usually the ones with the most vehement, stringent, resolute opinions who are the loudest. But they're generally a minority and an outlier - one just notices them more because of the 'loudness' and because that opinion sticks in our craw more because of its nature.

[jbrownsjr]

I am totally clueless. Could someone please explain, what is a spirit catcher?

Stevie rolls into the SYW sessions with a spirit catcher. It's hilarious. The looks on the guys' faces are priceless. It's open to interpretation, but the feeling I got was... "ummmm ok... let's put it over here."

[nicole21290]

Stevie rolls into the SYW sessions with a spirit catcher. It's hilarious. The looks on the guys' faces are priceless. It's open to interpretation, but the feeling I got was... "ummmm ok... let's put it over here."

Oh, come on. They were MUCH more thoughtful. Lindsey was considerate enough to think about it and suggest that if she wanted it to 'flow' out over the whole area than the mantle would be more suitable than in the doorway! :D

[welcomechris]

Y'all Need To Chill :laugh: jk

They Said The Album Will Be Released After the Tour So Stevie Can Record Then With The Mac

[michelej1]

I am totally clueless. Could someone please explain, what is a spirit catcher?

Well, it varies by design. The one we're talking about here is a handheld sculpture that Stevie brought to the studio when she started recordings for the SYW album. But there are massive ones too.

Michele

[elle]

"I did a couple of songs there, it felt good onstage, and then I thought, I'm really missing out on something—something that's mine, that I've just given up, and I'm not paying respect to my own gift," she said. "I saw that if I want to start to play again, there's only one band I want to play with, and that's Fleetwood Mac."

there have been some speculations why is Christine coming back. i really believe what she says here is it.

[elle]

They Said The Album Will Be Released After the Tour So Stevie Can Record Then With The Mac

they basically did, yeah.

something i've been crusading against for the last week. i don't know why those people are not listening to me, the voice of reason. :cool: :p

[welcomechris]

The Person Who Wrote The Article Sounds Like He has Heard The Song. He says it is hit material

[brickney723]

You know, i get the feeling Lindsey prob. doesn't take much stock in the spirit catcher either… but not by anything he said or did- just by what I know of his personality. However, he was verrrrrry careful to be very respectful about it, in my opinion. He definitely was not mocking, on the contrary- I always get the sincere feeling he does not want to piss Stevie off and tries very hard not to- which is to his credit.

[nicole21290]

they basically did, yeah.

something i've been crusading against for the last week. i don't know why those people are not listening to me, the voice of reason. :cool: :p

Well, if they're coming here to check up on fan reaction, they'll certainly be unable to AVOID and not see your voice (of reason). :D

[jbrownsjr]

Oh, come on. They were MUCH more thoughtful. Lindsey was considerate enough to think about it and suggest that if she wanted it to 'flow' out over the whole area than the mantle would be more suitable than in the doorway! :D

Hey I said it was left to interpretation. lol :p

[brickney723]

Well, if they're coming here to check up on fan reaction, they'll certain be unable to AVOID and not see your voice (of reason). :D
ha! I guarantee this is one spot they don't peruse on the internet.

[HelloMonster]

Hurling insults and name calling on an internet forum. So brave.

[jbrownsjr]

I think you brought this up before. The Time album was lacking Stevie AND Lindsey. The tour lacked both of them AND Christine. To put the failure all on Stevie Nicks is ignoring reality. That was going to be a failure even with Stevie. The decline in Fleetwood Mac's popularity began with Lindsey's exit. There was residual interest in Behind the Mask, but without Lindsey it was only going to keep declining.

Christine wasn't planning on making a record on her own. She didn't have to come back. She was retired. To say she had no choice is blatantly false.

If Christine had promoted her album, "In the Meantime" I think it would have done quite well. She had a lot of airplay despite not doing anything with it.
Further, Buckingham Nicks, prior to FMAC was a commercial failure. Without Mick bringing the forces together, Dragoon would not be able to yell at us.

[FM77]

In the "IYD" book Stevie lists her management as "HK Management...Howard Kaufman and Sheryl Louis"
No mention of Azoff

This is correct.

[Phil]

The return of Mark Needham concerns me. I did not care for his contribution to the Say You Will album and thought there was an unpleasant murkiness throughout many of the songs. I remember Stevie's hesitation regarding having Needham mix the album, but then didn't he also end up doing some mixing work on her "Crystal Visions" collection a few years later?

I understand that the band has traditionally recorded without Stevie until she was required, but I honestly thought all members were now at a stage in their lives where they would want to be together, especially on this occasion. It needn't be just about collaboration, but a demonstration of commitment and support. I guess I was hoping that Christine's return and John's illness would make everyone approach the situation in a more inclusive, mature way. I acknowledge the past difficulties between Lindsey and Stevie, but I do get the impression that Lindsey is genuine about wanting to move beyond their emotional baggage and create together in a meaningful way. He has spoken of his desire for them to co-write since the SYW days and properly collaborate on songs from scratch, seemingly so that Stevie would have complete input and not be dissatisfied with the final result. It should also be remembered that upon the completion of the IYD sessions in late 2010, Dave Stewart actually suggested to Stevie that she needed to find a way to co-write with Lindsey so he can't be the stumbling block between them.

When Lindsey speaks of Stevie's complicated needs, it clearly is a none-too-veiled comment on her unwillingness to properly cooperate. Whilst I understand Stevie's position and that she most probably thought these last couple of weeks were an opportune time to knock out some solo recordings, she could potentially piss everyone off by not being present for the Mac, especially if she hasn't already submitted some material of worth. She may not ordinarily care about the fall-out, but Christine is now back in the fold and I suspect she will not easily tolerate Stevie's absence. I wanted Christine to realise how far Stevie has come in terms of her capability and work ethic in the studio these days, but worry she'll just think these latest proceedings are reminiscent of the Tango sessions. If Stevie just decides to breeze in once the bulk of the work has been done, surely this won't sit well with the others, regardless of whether they demonstrate it or not. (I was secretly hoping Christine had attended some of the Nashville recording sessions, if only to gain some insight into what Stevie is currently doing and ensure all was well between them. Of course, this may have happened, but there doesn't seem to be any confirmation of such.)

I guess the best we can hope for at this stage is that Stevie does eventually contribute strong songs to the Mac album and works well with the band once she is present. Hopefully when they tour later this year, the experience will be a positive one and Stevie will feel enthused about contributing to a band album. She needs to be invested in such an undertaking if it's to truly work.

[BlueDenimLamp]

The return of Mark Needham concerns me. I did not care for his contribution to the Say You Will album and thought there was an unpleasant murkiness throughout many of the songs. I remember Stevie's hesitation regarding having Needham mix the album, but then didn't he also end up doing some mixing work on her "Crystal Visions" collection a few years later?

I understand that the band has traditionally recorded without Stevie until she was required, but I honestly thought all members were now at a stage in their lives where they would want to be together, especially on this occasion. It needn't be just about collaboration, but a demonstration of commitment and support. I guess I was hoping that Christine's return and John's illness would make everyone approach the situation in a more inclusive, mature way. I acknowledge the past difficulties between Lindsey and Stevie, but I do get the impression that Lindsey is genuine about wanting to move beyond their emotional baggage and create together in a meaningful way. He has spoken of his desire for them to co-write since the SYW days and properly collaborate on songs from scratch, seemingly so that Stevie would have complete input and not be dissatisfied with the final result. It should also be remembered that upon the completion of the IYD sessions in late 2010, Dave Stewart actually suggested to Stevie that she needed to find a way to co-write with Lindsey so he can't be the stumbling block between them.

When Lindsey speaks of Stevie's complicated needs, it clearly is a none-too-veiled comment on her unwillingness to properly cooperate. Whilst I understand Stevie's position and that she most probably thought these last couple of weeks were an opportune time to knock out some solo recordings, she could potentially piss everyone off by not being present for the Mac, especially if she hasn't already submitted some material of worth. She may not ordinarily care about the fall-out, but Christine is now back in the fold and I suspect she will not easily tolerate Stevie's absence. I wanted Christine to realise how far Stevie has come in terms of her capability and work ethic in the studio these days, but worry she'll just think these latest proceedings are reminiscent of the Tango sessions. If Stevie just decides to breeze in once the bulk of the work has been done, surely this won't sit well with the others, regardless of whether they demonstrate it or not. (I was secretly hoping Christine had attended some of the Nashville recording sessions, if only to gain some insight into what Stevie is currently doing and ensure all was well between them. Of course, this may have happened, but there doesn't seem to be any confirmation of such.)

I guess the best we can hope for at this stage is that Stevie does eventually contribute strong songs to the Mac album and works well with the band once she is present. Hopefully when they tour later this year, the experience will be a positive one and Stevie will feel enthused about contributing to a band album. She needs to be invested in such an undertaking if it's to truly work.

Needham mixed the "Live" tracks on CV...
Lord-Alge mixed "IYD"

[secret love]

First, I am a woman, not a man.
Second, I highlighted the most appalling and offensive comments because they were my point.

I like to back up what I am talking about. Thanks.

Oops, sorry, my bad!

I thought that "cherry picked" meant picking only comments which support your argument, which is what you did. You picked a bunch of quotes vaguely related to what you were saying and then indulged yourself by having a good old rant.

You ignored all the other positive comments that did not back up what you said.

[aleuzzi]

I understand that the band has traditionally recorded without Stevie until she was required, but I honestly thought all members were now at a stage in their lives where they would want to be together, especially on this occasion. It needn't be just about collaboration, but a demonstration of commitment and support. I guess I was hoping that Christine's return and John's illness would make everyone approach the situation in a more inclusive, mature way.

Bingo!


That's what's so irritating about the current dynamic.

[aleuzzi]

. She's talked plenty about how he's helped her out and improved her songs. And I really see very few Stevie fans who think Lindsey has ruined EVERY song of her since Mirage. Slight exaggeration there. Yes, some people think he cocked up on certain songs on SYW in particular but while some may think he hasn't brought anything TO them, I doubt many think he's made ALL of them worse. )

I loved what he did on a number of her SYW tunes. Yes, they were pretty much worked out before she brought them to the band (she has her own cadre of musicians to help with demos, etc.) but I do see the core trio of FM men putting their stamp on them, especially on "Destiny Rules," "Everybody Finds Out," and "Illume."

Some of her songs in SYW are duds, but then so are a few of Lindsey's as well. He can't be blamed for the quality (or lack thereof) of Stevie FM sings after 1982. It wasn't until SYW that she really brought top quality material back to the band.

[HomerMcvie]

The Christine fans are what makes the ledge worth all of it.

You know it! And I wasn't ignoring responses to my spirit catcher observations. Yesterday was a travel day for me(and The Ledge isn't very android friendly - especially while driving, lol), and today was a two job day.

I'm sure that Stevie doesn't care that some people think she's a loon, for still embracing such "hippie" things in 2014. She's timeless...:p

I can't wait to hear the Lindsey/Chris efforts!:blob2:

[Aussie W/Heart]

Oops, sorry, my bad!

I thought that "cherry picked" meant picking only comments which support your argument, which is what you did. You picked a bunch of quotes vaguely related to what you were saying and then indulged yourself by having a good old rant.

You ignored all the other positive comments that did not back up what you said.

The majority of this thread is infested with the same old negative, disrespectful & tiresome comments regarding SN, obviously the select few get some kind of STRANGE satisfaction or pleasure ranting all day everyday on here expressing their dislike for a certain member of the band.. :shrug:

[MoonSister75]

that said....... if you think nobody should criticize your favorite member or have a little fun at their expense, maybe you need to just stay in the forum that's dedicated to that specific member. i took a look into SN forum and there's tons of spitting on LB's musical contributions as well as name-calling of his fans - but it's SN forum, a place where her fans can play together and enjoy their groupthink.



I just don't see this level of ridiculing Lindsey or his fans over in the Stevie forum :confused: (maybe I need to look into older threads). They don't seem to play at Lindsey piss taking :shrug:

I think some of us were just trying to point out that this thread had at points turned into a Stevie bitch fest, when it was supposed to be about Christine/Lindsey in the studio.

Yes its ok for everyone to say whatever they like about band members, and its ok for people to express how distasteful they find certain comments.

[welcomechris]

Here Is I'm A Jazz Man

http://www.itemvn.com/song/?s=C0221FEC8E

You Can Listen To It And You Can Tell It Is A Family Man Remix

[Jondalar]

Obviously Stevie is hippie dippie; that's her schtick, always has been. But she also lived in Arizona for much of her life. Have you ever spent much time in the southwest? Native American culture/art/traditions/beliefs/etc are far more ingrained as a part of the collective consciousness there than the rest of the US. Folks display things like spirit catchers & such with little or no irony. Plus, when it comes to things like that... it's subliminal. If you believe that a particular object will bring good luck/vibes/whatever, that'll be in the back of your & everyone else's minds every time you see it. The spirit catcher could have been Stevie's way of saying "be nice. I'm the only girl left now." Kind of like the way people wearing crosses reminds you of their faith, and the way you should interact with them.

She should name her album Spirit Catcher.

[sodascouts]

I just don't see this level of ridiculing Lindsey or his fans over in the Stevie forum :confused: (maybe I need to look into older threads). They don't seem to play at Lindsey piss taking :shrug:

Both have been characterized as narcissistic divas by members of the other's fan groups... Probably because that's true for both to a degree. I love them anyway!

[Peestie]

yes, i've noticed that interesting tidbit of info thrown in too! like they are saying "ok, you don't want to be here, guess what, we'll do whatever we want then!" unfortunately that still stopped short of releasing the album. if Needham is there, that would mean all these songs are not just recorded but already mixed.
I got the impression that he's engineering the album at the minute, not necessarily mixing it (yet).

I'm really, really, really glad to hear this because I think it needs a dedicated person to work on best microphone placements, acoustics etc. I think Lindsey's engineering skills need supplemented because I think he's more interested in production that engineering and sometimes it slips. The (slightly) lo-fi approach works great for his solo work but FM needs pristine sound and high quality engineering.

(I haven't read all the posts yet so sorry if this has been addressed before me)

[elle]

I got the impression that he's engineering the album at the minute, not necessarily mixing it (yet).

I'm really, really, really glad to hear this because I think it needs a dedicated person to work on best microphone placements, acoustics etc. I think Lindsey's engineering skills need supplemented because I think he's more interested in production that engineering and sometimes it slips. The (slightly) lo-fi approach works great for his solo work but FM needs pristine sound and high quality engineering.

(I haven't read all the posts yet so sorry if this has been addressed before me)

no it hasn't been addressed, and you are very right, as usual. i was thinking the same after re-reading the article and seeing it says engineer Mark Needham. plus it wouldn't make sense to already mix the songs, since it's apparent they are still waiting and open to get Nicks on board.

[BlueDenimLamp]

no it hasn't been addressed, and you are very right, as usual. i was thinking the same after re-reading the article and seeing it says engineer Mark Needham. plus it wouldn't make sense to already mix the songs, since it's apparent they are still waiting and open to get Nicks on board.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>at the mixing desk with my great pal and producing partner Waddy Wachtel for Stevie Nicks new album <a href="http://t.co/Z64r4qflee">http://t.co/Z64r4qflee</a></p>&mdash; Dave Stewart (@DaveStewart) <a href="https://twitter.com/DaveStewart/statuses/462627472430080000">May 3, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r663/Nicksiannation/10153843_10151995069367133_2840369028342273604_n_zps28821086.png

Looks like Stevie's record is moving right along...:blob1::nod::blob2:

Stevie should be back in L.A. shortly to pick up her BMI Icon award so maybe she'll hook up with FM then...

[elle]

I just don't see this level of ridiculing Lindsey or his fans over in the Stevie forum :confused: (maybe I need to look into older threads). They don't seem to play at Lindsey piss taking :shrug:
i don't know if it happened there too, but there were several posts here deleted last night, mainly directed at Christine and her fans i think. my understanding is that was because of
Hurling insults and name calling on an internet forum. So brave.

[shackin'up]

Both have been characterized as narcissistic divas by members of the other's fan groups... Probably because that's true for both to a degree. I love them anyway!

Haha, bingo!

[shackin'up]

The return of Mark Needham concerns me. I did not care for his contribution to the Say You Will album and thought there was an unpleasant murkiness throughout many of the songs. I remember Stevie's hesitation regarding having Needham mix the album, but then didn't he also end up doing some mixing work on her "Crystal Visions" collection a few years later?

I understand that the band has traditionally recorded without Stevie until she was required, but I honestly thought all members were now at a stage in their lives where they would want to be together, especially on this occasion. It needn't be just about collaboration, but a demonstration of commitment and support. I guess I was hoping that Christine's return and John's illness would make everyone approach the situation in a more inclusive, mature way. I acknowledge the past difficulties between Lindsey and Stevie, but I do get the impression that Lindsey is genuine about wanting to move beyond their emotional baggage and create together in a meaningful way. He has spoken of his desire for them to co-write since the SYW days and properly collaborate on songs from scratch, seemingly so that Stevie would have complete input and not be dissatisfied with the final result. It should also be remembered that upon the completion of the IYD sessions in late 2010, Dave Stewart actually suggested to Stevie that she needed to find a way to co-write with Lindsey so he can't be the stumbling block between them.

When Lindsey speaks of Stevie's complicated needs, it clearly is a none-too-veiled comment on her unwillingness to properly cooperate. Whilst I understand Stevie's position and that she most probably thought these last couple of weeks were an opportune time to knock out some solo recordings, she could potentially piss everyone off by not being present for the Mac, especially if she hasn't already submitted some material of worth. She may not ordinarily care about the fall-out, but Christine is now back in the fold and I suspect she will not easily tolerate Stevie's absence. I wanted Christine to realise how far Stevie has come in terms of her capability and work ethic in the studio these days, but worry she'll just think these latest proceedings are reminiscent of the Tango sessions. If Stevie just decides to breeze in once the bulk of the work has been done, surely this won't sit well with the others, regardless of whether they demonstrate it or not. (I was secretly hoping Christine had attended some of the Nashville recording sessions, if only to gain some insight into what Stevie is currently doing and ensure all was well between them. Of course, this may have happened, but there doesn't seem to be any confirmation of such.)

I guess the best we can hope for at this stage is that Stevie does eventually contribute strong songs to the Mac album and works well with the band once she is present. Hopefully when they tour later this year, the experience will be a positive one and Stevie will feel enthused about contributing to a band album. She needs to be invested in such an undertaking if it's to truly work.

What an excellent post Phil. The best one I've read in these weird times in FM. I fully agree on what you write, and it means that, in the end, if there's material from Stevie in the batch included, I NEVER ever want to read about the fact that she wasn't happy how the album turned out. You have to be part of the process of the whole. Especially now. I'm really dissapointed in how this goes, although I'm excited about the high productivity in LA as well as Nashville. It's distracting....:confused:

[Jondalar]

If Christine had promoted her album, "In the Meantime" I think it would have done quite well. She had a lot of airplay despite not doing anything with it.
Further, Buckingham Nicks, prior to FMAC was a commercial failure. Without Mick bringing the forces together, Dragoon would not be able to yell at us.

I liked that album. But I wish Lindsey would of produced Friend. That was a great song. He would of made it even better.

[jbrownsjr]

I liked that album. But I wish Lindsey would of produced Friend. That was a great song. He would of made it even better.

I think Ken did a great job with the sound. I think Lindsey would have made her do certain things with the arrangements and the mixing which would have given it the bite that would have made it, "over the top" good. So agree he was missed. Easy Come And Easy Go is one of the worst songs I've ever heard.

[jwd]

[Oh baby, don't make me wait (whispered like on the Mirage video)]

http://framework.latimes.com/2014/05/01/pictures-in-the-news-906/#/7

Los Angeles: Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie of Fleetwood Mac are collaborating on their first new material in 15 years.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn2/michelej1/lindschris_zps0d935188.jpg (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/michelej1/media/lindschris_zps0d935188.jpg.html)


That's a powerhouse for sure! Very exciting to see Christine and Lindsey working together again. Their Tango songs were some of the best in FM's history. The next FM album is going to be a gift from the Gods!

I wonder who is more jealous, Stevie of Christine for being able to write songs with Lindsey, or Lindsey of Dave for being able to work and create with Stevie? The dynamics of this band are extremely interesting, to say the least!!

[secondhandchain]

Stevie's on my S list right now. She hasn't said a word about recording with FM. She actually doesn't even seem excited about Chris returning. Very subdued in my opinion. Believe me, if they had gotten any commitment from Stevie that she will eventually record, they would say it. Instead she's being all difficult about it,:sorry: when this should be an exciting last chapter of the band. She better clarify things fast or I'll really be pissed. Sorry this is the way I feel.

[shackin'up]

Stevie's on my S list right now. She hasn't said a word about recording with FM. She actually doesn't even seem excited about Chris returning. Very subdued in my opinion. Believe me, if they had gotten any commitment from Stevie that she will eventually record, they would say it. Instead she's being all difficult about it,:sorry: when this should be an exciting last chapter of the band. She better clarify things fast or I'll really be pissed. Sorry this is the way I feel.

And I simply can not imagine that there is ONE person on the Ledge that isn't able to understand the way you feel. It's unbelievable, really.

[Jondalar]

The return of Mark Needham concerns me. I did not care for his contribution to the Say You Will album and thought there was an unpleasant murkiness throughout many of the songs. I remember Stevie's hesitation regarding having Needham mix the album, but then didn't he also end up doing some mixing work on her "Crystal Visions" collection a few years later?

I understand that the band has traditionally recorded without Stevie until she was required, but I honestly thought all members were now at a stage in their lives where they would want to be together, especially on this occasion. It needn't be just about collaboration, but a demonstration of commitment and support. I guess I was hoping that Christine's return and John's illness would make everyone approach the situation in a more inclusive, mature way. I acknowledge the past difficulties between Lindsey and Stevie, but I do get the impression that Lindsey is genuine about wanting to move beyond their emotional baggage and create together in a meaningful way. He has spoken of his desire for them to co-write since the SYW days and properly collaborate on songs from scratch, seemingly so that Stevie would have complete input and not be dissatisfied with the final result. It should also be remembered that upon the completion of the IYD sessions in late 2010, Dave Stewart actually suggested to Stevie that she needed to find a way to co-write with Lindsey so he can't be the stumbling block between them.

When Lindsey speaks of Stevie's complicated needs, it clearly is a none-too-veiled comment on her unwillingness to properly cooperate. Whilst I understand Stevie's position and that she most probably thought these last couple of weeks were an opportune time to knock out some solo recordings, she could potentially piss everyone off by not being present for the Mac, especially if she hasn't already submitted some material of worth. She may not ordinarily care about the fall-out, but Christine is now back in the fold and I suspect she will not easily tolerate Stevie's absence. I wanted Christine to realise how far Stevie has come in terms of her capability and work ethic in the studio these days, but worry she'll just think these latest proceedings are reminiscent of the Tango sessions. If Stevie just decides to breeze in once the bulk of the work has been done, surely this won't sit well with the others, regardless of whether they demonstrate it or not. (I was secretly hoping Christine had attended some of the Nashville recording sessions, if only to gain some insight into what Stevie is currently doing and ensure all was well between them. Of course, this may have happened, but there doesn't seem to be any confirmation of such.)

I guess the best we can hope for at this stage is that Stevie does eventually contribute strong songs to the Mac album and works well with the band once she is present. Hopefully when they tour later this year, the experience will be a positive one and Stevie will feel enthused about contributing to a band album. She needs to be invested in such an undertaking if it's to truly work.

I wonder if Christine will put Stevie in her place like she did on TITN too.

[Jondalar]

Does Christine have false teeth?

[Hawkeye]

And I simply can not imagine that there is ONE person on the Ledge that isn't able to understand the way you feel. It's unbelievable, really.

I understand maybe some confusion. That's what I feel. But she's not on a s**tlist for me, at least not yet, until I know all the facts. If she's churning out a quick solo album and then participating in fleetwood Mac and its not a tango in the night part 2 situation, then she'd be on the opposite of a s**tlit then.

[MikeInNV]

I understand maybe some confusion. That's what I feel. But she's not on a s**tlist for me, at least not yet, until I know all the facts. If she's churning out a quick solo album and then participating in fleetwood Mac and its not a tango in the night part 2 situation, then she'd be on the opposite of a s**tlit then.

She has said more than once recently that she wants her projects to be shorter, not longer (which I personally think is a good idea for both her and her fans). Maybe she feels like she can get a solo album done in the same amount of time it would take FM to do three of her songs for their album. I'm sure Lindsey can be quick in the studio when he wants to be, but he doesn't always want to be. The band could probably take up as much of her time as she would allow them to; maybe she sees this as a way to do two projects instead of one.

[pauls90]

I think Stevie was honestly already committed to the idea of recording another solo album before all this Christine business.

If they still can't get Stevie to record, out of desperation they could always mention in an interview that Stevie refuses to work with with them and it's her fault there's no new Mac album then just let the media and the fans guilt trip her into recording.

Obviously the quality wouldn't be there, but it would still be a FM record featuring Stevie Nicks.

I wouldn't want that though. I wish Stevie could find some inspiration for Fleetwood Mac. Their late 70s/80s sound is VERY in right now in certain aspects of pop music. If Stevie could just find that passion for the band, they could do some brilliant stuff (and maybe land some Grammy nods).

I'm optimistic though. The band's phrasing still makes it seem like Stevie's still on board, they're just waiting for her to get done with prior engagements - - not that they're unsure if she'll even do anything at all with them.

[welcomechris]

Mick is in Maui Now

[StreetAngel86]

Stevie's on my S list right now. She hasn't said a word about recording with FM. She actually doesn't even seem excited about Chris returning. Very subdued in my opinion. Believe me, if they had gotten any commitment from Stevie that she will eventually record, they would say it. Instead she's being all difficult about it,:sorry: when this should be an exciting last chapter of the band. She better clarify things fast or I'll really be pissed. Sorry this is the way I feel.

someone's clearly sulking in a corner
acting like a child
wasn't she all happy about Chris returning
and Bucky was the one who had reservations?

but what Mike said above ... maybe Stevie is using the time to churn out a new album whilst Lindsey can give Chris his undivided attention and vice versa so they can draw out their sessions together. Then Stevie will be finished her solo album and be ready to come back to Mac land where they can just concentrate solely on her stuff?