Oh Wise and Worldy Ledgies - Page 8

DrummerDeanna · #**106** 09-25-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Cuz them monkies brought the aids on and the jerry fallwell types'll just have a conniption fit. (in my best backwoods country preacher voice)

I dont think giving you a valid reason to deny gay people marriage is the point of the conversation. It wasnt my reason for this discussion. I cant, after all, give you one.

I wasn't asking YOU to - I was saying, in a broad sense, that there are no good reasons to deny same sex couples the right to marry. Nor did I say it was the reason for the discussion - I was just saying that it's silly to bring the word "fair" into the equation.

bretonbanquet · #**107** 09-25-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

HA! Thought you'd get a chuckle out of that. I'd like to go to Cork over in the land of peat...and maybe visit Liverpool too, just for fun. I hear the girls...are...nice?

Ireland is great

Liverpool is nicer than people make out.. and the girls? hmmm..

carrie721 · #**108** 09-25-2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

You know...I was thinking...even though it's NOT the point Carrie was trying to make AT ALL.

WHERE people can get married is even a bitch for the gays. Two of my lesbian friends recently got hitched and they had a bitch of a time simply finding a nice place to do so.

Fair? Don't even try to bring "fair" into this argument....there is no fairness. Everything is clouded by religious values that people are trying to impose upon everyone else.

If someone can give me one. Just one valid, rational, NON RELIGIOUS reason as to why gay people should not be given the right to marry then my ears are open.

nobody could. religion is so woven into every part of our society that nobody could explain it in non-religious terms.

**mylittledemon** · #**109** 09-25-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

i'm not concerned with your interpretation of the definition of church and state separation. if you don't see that having a religious figure officiate a legal ceremony is a conflict of that separation, then i don't know what to say to you.

i don't give a ****.

I think you are concerned, considering our banter back and forth on the subject. MY POINT, again, is that many officiants are not religious figures. And having one of them, perform a marriage, in a CHURCH isnt a conflict. I proved my argument fairly clearly above. I do understand your point, and how you could make YOUR argument against having a religious officiant perform a religious ceremony. I never said i didnt understand that.

You dont give a ****? You cared enough to point out that I might like to look into current wedding practices since I am getting married soon, anyway. I'd like to take this moment to reflect, against my better judgement, that a previous thread about dogs was closed due to nothing (according to a mod) that I said. Perhaps its just me, but I believe I am always civil in my discussions. I'd actually love to sit face to face with you over a pint and have a laugh about our differences. But since you dont give a **** maybe it dont mattuh!

**mylittledemon** · #**110** 09-25-2007, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

I wasn't asking YOU to - I was saying, in a broad sense, that there are no good reasons to deny same sex couples the right to marry. Nor did I say it was the reason for the discussion - I was just saying that it's silly to bring the word "fair" into the equation.

I know you werent singling me out. i was merely, giving my 2 cents on your thoughts. =)

DrummerDeanna · #**111** 09-25-2007, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

nobody could. religion is so woven into every part of our society that nobody could explain it in non-religious terms.

I know. Which is why I make the offer

Absolutely no one has been able to give me any good reason outside of the whole religious thing. And to be honest - I don't even buy the religious view because, well, it's not a valid one

A couple of little passages taken completely out of historical and other types of context do not the basis for discrimination make.

I mean they used the Bible to discriminate against Black people - and women. Anyway...I'm not a valid Christian anyway so what does my opinion matter

**mylittledemon** · #**112** 09-25-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

I mean they used the Bible to discriminate against Black people - and women. Anyway...I'm not a valid Christian anyway so what does my opinion matter

Thats funny because the Bible states that the Lord is the Lord of all men, regardless of colour and creed. Its a shame someone would use that book for such purposes.

carrie721 · #**113** 09-25-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

I think you are concerned, considering our banter back and forth on the subject. MY POINT, again, is that many officiants are not religious figures. And having one of them, perform a marriage, in a CHURCH isnt a conflict. I proved my argument fairly clearly above. I do understand your point, and how you could make YOUR argument against having a religious officiant perform a religious ceremony. I never said i didnt understand that.

You dont give a ****? You cared enough to point out that I might like to look into current wedding practices since I am getting married soon, anyway. I'd like to take this moment to reflect, against my better judgement, that a previous thread about dogs was closed due to nothing (according to a mod) that I said. Perhaps its just me, but I believe I am always civil in my discussions. I'd actually love to sit face to face with you over a pint and have a laugh about our differences. But since you dont give a **** maybe it dont mattuh!

um, it's pretty much no secret whose comments got the dog thread closed. so i don't know what your point is in that regard. that thread wasn't out of control until someone started personally attacking sarah.

and no, i don't give a ****. and no, it doesn't matter. i would never, ever, ever want to sit down with you and have a pint. your beliefs are almost 100% contrary to what i believe to be true and right, and based on what i've read on these boards we don't have enough common interests to make up for that. so don't waste any more time wondering.

mikeschmike · #**114** 09-25-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Thats funny because the Bible states that the Lord is the Lord of all men, regardless of colour and creed. Its a shame someone would use that book for such purposes.

Strange things happen when the word of "one" is being interpreted by billions of people.

Sarah · #**115** 09-25-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeschmike

Strange things happen when the word of "one" is being interpreted by billions of people.

Strange that the word of one is written in a book that hasn't been changed in FOR FREAKIN EVER. Because, you know, miracles totally stopped happening.

I'll believe the word of one when it's spoken to me. Not when it's beaten into me at a brainwashing service.

**mylittledemon** · #**116** 09-25-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

and no, i don't give a ****. and no, it doesn't matter. i would never, ever, ever want to sit down with you and have a pint. your beliefs are almost 100% contrary to what i believe to be true and right, and based on what i've read on these boards we don't have enough common interests to make up for that. so don't waste any more time wondering.

Well just because your beliefs and mine are totally opposite neither makes them right and "true" regardless. What we believe is what we believe because its right for our own hearts. if you couldnt sit and have a pint with someone and have a friendly argument I'd say its your kind of closed mindedness makes you, once again, the minority.

DrummerDeanna · #**117** 09-25-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarah

Strange that the word of one is written in a book that hasn't been changed in FOR FREAKIN EVER. Because, you know, miracles totally stopped happening.

I'll believe the word of one when it's spoken to me. Not when it's beaten into me at a brainwashing service.

But the thing is - it HAS been changed over the years. Always by a bunch of men - a bunch of men with agendas. There have been numerous redactions made to the Bible over the years - which further dilutes its absolute truthiness.

Anyway.

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Originally Posted by mld

Thats funny because the Bible states that the Lord is the Lord of all men, regardless of colour and creed. Its a shame someone would use that book for such purposes.

Why is that funny? Because it happened? Because it further proves that people can, have and continue to use the Bible as a weapon against certain people?

It is a shame that people would use the book for such purposes. I was always taught that Bible is a guide, a tool - and not a weapon.

carrie721 · #**118** 09-25-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Well just because your beliefs and mine are totally opposite neither makes them right and "true" regardless. What we believe is what we believe because its right for our own hearts. if you couldnt sit and have a pint with someone and have a friendly argument I'd say its your kind of closed mindedness makes you, once again, the minority.

please. spare me.

**mylittledemon** · #**119** 09-25-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarah

I'll believe the word of one when it's spoken to me. Not when it's beaten into me at a brainwashing service.

Seeing is believing they say. Then again, you're confusing church dogma with Biblical text.

Sarah · #**120** 09-25-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

But the thing is - it HAS been changed over the years. Always by a bunch of men - a bunch of men with agendas. There have been numerous redactions made to the Bible over the years - which further dilutes its absolute truthiness.

Anyway.

By changed I mean "added to". As in, teh stories.