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paperflowers 09-25-2007 05:22 AM

Oh Wise and Worldy Ledgies
 
I will be escorting my mother and her two sisters as they visit Ukraine and Poland. This will be thier first visit home since they left after WWII, and they really want to see what has become of the places they knew as children. They would like to visit Crimia, Kyiv (Keiv), and Krakow. I know these are not tourist hot spots but was hoping for some practical tips from fellow ledgies.
I have done a fair amount of research on the internet and am getting conflicting information.
My first question is regarding sort of general travel about Europe.

Are the train schedules available on the internet, reliable?

Are the month Euro rail passes worth the investment, particularly in Poland and Ukraine?

Is train travel going to be so completely confusing because of the language? I have a hard with the 24 hour clock time thing now throw in the Cyrillic alphabet Oy! My mom and her sisters are fluent and can read it but I hate not knowing what the hecks going on. Would it be totally impractical to rent a car?

How about money exchange, I have gotten many conflicting reports on the internet regarding this.

Are Euro's the way to go? Hryvnia? Złoty? Dollars?

Should we use the exchange booths or banks?

Can I really use my Debit card?

It seems that renting a flat is cheaper than a hotel. I am reluctant to book with brokers over the internet, worried about scams. What I should do?

Do younger Poles and Ukrainians speak English?

How do Europeans perceive Americans?

They want to see the "Black Madonna" in Czestochowa. Has anyone ever been there? Is this going to be too touristy? Extremely crowded? The reason I ask is my mom and her sisters are elderly and I am worried about them standing in long lines.


Should we take any extra precautions in Eastern Europe? I read it's extremely bad there one place and then read that violence and crime is vastly exaggerated in others. Here again I am concerned because I will be traveling with three elderly women. Are we gonna get mugged on the subway?

I have read that we should carry out passport or a copy of the first few pages with us at all times in the Ukraine because the police will detain us if we can not id ourselves, true or no?

Will the police shake us down looking for a bribe? I have read conflicting reports.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks in advance.

danax6 09-25-2007 05:30 AM

I don't have much time so I will answer some of your questions later, but...

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Originally Posted by paperflowers (Post 722722)
How do Europeans perceive Americans?

Do you really want me to answer this one? :laugh:

paperflowers 09-25-2007 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by danax6 (Post 722723)
I don't have much time so I will answer some of your questions later, but...

Do you really want me to answer this one? :laugh:

Yes please:o

Dont say dumb Cowboys ala Bubba Bush

I might die.

suzyvermoesen 09-25-2007 06:28 AM

I can only tell you some things about travel in Belgium.
The trains are reasonably reliable and time tables can be found on the internet : http://www.b-rail.be/main/E/index.php
In the flemish speaking part of Belgium, most people speak english fairly well so asking for and getting directions should be no problem.You do have to ask though, people will not come up to you to help (like i've noticed americans will do when they spot some tourists that look lost :D )
Most belgian people keep to themselves but that does not mean they do not like you, so do'nt let their attitude fool you !
As for safety : i do'nt know about the places you'll be visiting, but i guess it's the same as all over the world: use your common sense, rely on your instincts, do not stay in places that do not feel right to you,ask local people that you're staying with which areas you should avoid, also avoid deserted streets,do not wear an abundance of jewelry (i usually leave most of it at home), take copies of all your important documents (passport,driver's license,credit card,plane tickets and so on) and give them to your travel companions. That way, if you loose something, one of them will still have a copy. Just generally be carefull.
As for driving a car in Europe : unless you're used to driving in LA or Miami, you're in for a shock i guess. Europeans drive like madmen compared to Americans :sorry:
Anyway, i truly hope you will enjoy Europe and will get to see a lot of it.
Are you planning on seeing more european countries and if so, which ones ?

danax6 09-25-2007 07:56 AM

Here's what I know about Poland (I've been there before, whereas I've never been to Ukraine, so I can't help you with that, aside from some technical stuff). Eastern Europe, and especially Poland, is one of the cheapest areas/countries you can go to. Before Poland joined the European Union, a lot of things like washing machines and computers used to cost about a quarter of what it costs in Western Europe. Many people drove there to get their stuff. The people in Poland still don't make as much as we do, so the men come to this part of Europe and work in construction or in the fields for about half of what we earn, but twice as much as they would earn in Poland. It's gotten to be quite a problem. But that's an aside...

Poland still uses the Zloty, so it's really easier to get some of that. Euros will probably be accepted at various stores or restaurants, but I wouldn't trust the local exchange rates, so exchange some money at the bank. It'll be a few more years before Poland switches to the Euro, seeing they only recently joined. As for Ukraine, they aren't even part of the European Union, so I don't think they accept Euros anywhere. Definitely go with Hryvnia there. Dollars won't be accepted anywhere.

I have to say that most Polish people I have encountered don't really have any grasp of the English language, and I suspect neither do Ukrainians. Not even the Polish people that have been here for a while speak any English, and besides German that's basically the only way for them to communicate with us. They speak better German and French than they do English. The younger generation would probably be the better people to approach. I am pretty sure English is mandatory in school throughout all of Europe now.

Debit cards... as long as yours comes with a Cirrus or Meastro logo, it will be accepted at any ATM machine in Europe. Poland and Ukraine are not big on credit cards, so you won't find many places where they accept that.

As far how Americans are perceived... that's a tough question. Overall, America is not that popular with the Europeans, for a lot of obvious reasons, but Eastern Europe is very different from Western Europe, and I can't really say what their overall opinion is. But generally, we are nice people! Just don't go to France. :laugh:

I do think crime is vastly exaggerated, but there is still a difference between there and here. In general it's the poorer part of Europe, and like with all areas where poverty is a problem, so is crime. It's inevitable, but I guess the same goes for any big city you visit, just don't wander into too many remote areas. If you stick to the touristy areas, you'll be fine.

mylittledemon 09-25-2007 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by paperflowers (Post 722722)
Are the train schedules available on the internet, reliable?

How about money exchange, I have gotten many conflicting reports on the internet regarding this.

Can I really use my Debit card?

How do Europeans perceive Americans?

Should we take any extra precautions in Eastern Europe?

I have read that we should carry out passport or a copy of the first few pages with us at all times in the Ukraine because the police will detain us if we can not id ourselves, true or no?
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No.

Check the rates every day. They vary.

You should be able to.

Europeans will probably ask if youre Canadian first. If they do, say no, I'm American...and the only good thing about Canada is that they are next to us!

Always be careful in other countries. You dont want to get in trouble with the law. And just be aware of your surroundings. Dont look like a wandering tourist. Get some European clothes too.

Always keep a copy of your passport handy. A colour one at that. Keep 2 in fact.

danax6 09-25-2007 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon (Post 722761)
Get some European clothes too.

Excuse me? Exactly what do you consider 'European clothes'?

carrie721 09-25-2007 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by danax6 (Post 722765)
Excuse me? Exactly what do you consider 'European clothes'?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

you mean styles have changed since the sound of music?

:lol::lol::lol:

also, i really hope you don't actually say that bit about canada.

danax6 09-25-2007 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by carrie721 (Post 722766)
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

you mean styles have changed since the sound of music?

No, I still wear dresses made of drapes. :shrug:

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:lol::lol::lol:

also, i really hope you don't actually say that bit about canada.
Funny thing is that there are quite a few people that think Canada is part of the US. :lol:

suzyvermoesen 09-25-2007 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by danax6 (Post 722765)
Excuse me? Exactly what do you consider 'European clothes'?

I so wanna hear the reply to that :confused:
Or do you mean "matching colours and prints" :laugh:

carrie721 09-25-2007 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by danax6 (Post 722767)
No, I still wear dresses made of drapes. :shrug:

:laugh:

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Funny thing is that there are quite a few people that think Canada is part of the US. :lol:
ah yes, states 51-64. :laugh:

danax6 09-25-2007 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by carrie721 (Post 722770)
ah yes, states 51-64. :laugh:

Well, most consider it one state, and the most popular answer when asked what the capital is: Montreal. :laugh:

These same people also think Alaska is on the North Pole.

carrie721 09-25-2007 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by danax6 (Post 722773)
Well, most consider it one state, and the most popular answer when asked what the capital is: Montreal. :laugh:

LOL.

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These same people also think Alaska is on the North Pole.
to be fair, i think most americans do, too :laugh:

danax6 09-25-2007 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by carrie721 (Post 722775)
LOL.

I guess it could be worse, I've heard people say Niagara Falls also. :lol:

mylittledemon 09-25-2007 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by danax6 (Post 722765)
Excuse me? Exactly what do you consider 'European clothes'?

IN other words, clothing brands that you get in other countries. When I was in NZ and Oz...they can spot you a mile away by your clothing brands.


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