Anna Nicole Smith found in hotel room unresponsive - Page 16

strandinthewind · #**226** 02-12-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Stern isn't presumed to be the father, his name is on the birth certificate. Also, there was that commitment ceremony. I'm half expecting a surprise marriage license to show up. Then it's game over with Bahamian law, ism't it?

Well, it is a little tricky. She was declared a resident, but ownership of the house was required and she may not own it. Moreover, the presumption can be rebutted by DNA testing. As for the wedding, the ceremony alone likely was not enough to call them married.

strandinthewind · #**227** 02-12-2007, 03:17 PM

Anna Nicole Smith Was Headed for 'Drug-Free Stay' in Dubai
Monday , February 12, 2007

By Roger Friedman

ADVERTISEMENTThree days before she died, Anna Nicole Smith was planning a long stay in Dubai.

More precisely: Her attorney, lover and perhaps father of her baby, Howard K. Stern, was making plans to bring her to Dubai, a seaside city in the United Arab Emirates that serves as a hot spot for the rich and famous.

An insider who was in on the negotiations tells me: "Howard knew she was around drugs all the time and wanted to bring her to a place where there aren't any. He really wanted to bring her here."

The source says that Stern was concerned for Smith's health and safety and reached out to the sultan of Brunei for help in getting her to Dubai.

When Smith's death was announced, the people on the other end were in shock.

"We couldn't believe it. We thought they were coming here. It's very sad."

For what it's worth, the Dubai insiders — having had e-mail correspondence with Stern in the days leading up to Smith's death — say the attorney is getting a raw deal in the press.

"He's a good man," the source said. "He was trying to take care of her."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251488,00.html

skcin · #**228** 02-12-2007, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

As a muscle relaxant, in excessively high doses, Valium will repress the breathing reflex, which means that you will stop breathing in your sleep. Valium is also a very, very tiny pill that would be dissolved very quickly. Therefore, I'm not surprised that the examiner could not find visual traces of it.

Some classes of antibiotics have cardiac affects (QTc prolongation, Torsades, etc.), and may interact with other drugs, which would increase the levels in the blood of all drugs, even if an appropriate dosage is taken. This could have led to a heart attack. Because many newer antibiotics are taken once per day, if she took the medication in the morning, it may have been absorbed fully into her system by the time she died. For all we know, she could have taken a double dose of antibiotic because she felt so rotten, or because she wanted to make up for a skipped dose.

Yeah, but you'd have to take a ****load of Valium to OD, so there would most likely be something left in the stomach. IMO.

The more I think about it, I think you're right - strong probability of a drug interaction, whether legal or not. Simple OTC cold remedies can easily increase your heart rate by themselves, let alone in combination with other stuff. Plus, you know damn well that most people don't take it as directed.

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Here is a link showing the contents of ANS' frige. We can see the methadone, but, what are in those vials with the red stripes. Any nurses know - Paula - Curtis?

http://www.tmz.com/2007/02/11/annas-...and-slim-fast/

I'm 99% sure that it's B12, which is given intramuscularly.

gldstwmn · #**229** 02-12-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Anna Nicole Smith Was Headed for 'Drug-Free Stay' in Dubai
Monday , February 12, 2007

By Roger Friedman

ADVERTISEMENTThree days before she died, Anna Nicole Smith was planning a long stay in Dubai.

More precisely: Her attorney, lover and perhaps father of her baby, Howard K. Stern, was making plans to bring her to Dubai, a seaside city in the United Arab Emirates that serves as a hot spot for the rich and famous.

An insider who was in on the negotiations tells me: "Howard knew she was around drugs all the time and wanted to bring her to a place where there aren't any. He really wanted to bring her here."

The source says that Stern was concerned for Smith's health and safety and reached out to the sultan of Brunei for help in getting her to Dubai.

When Smith's death was announced, the people on the other end were in shock.

"We couldn't believe it. We thought they were coming here. It's very sad."

For what it's worth, the Dubai insiders — having had e-mail correspondence with Stern in the days leading up to Smith's death — say the attorney is getting a raw deal in the press.

"He's a good man," the source said. "He was trying to take care of her."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251488,00.html

I am so torn as to whether Howard was the good guy or the bad guy. I do think theirs was a codependent relationship. I mean, let's face it Anna was a handful. That was evident if you ever watched her reality show. I did. It was one of my guilty pleasures.

gldstwmn · #**230** 02-12-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by skcin

I'm 99% sure that it's B12, which is given intramuscularly.

What about the other two different shaped/colored vials? Are those B12 as well?

skcin · #**231** 02-12-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

What about the other two different shaped/colored vials? Are those B12 as well?

The clear one looks like sterile water or sodium chloride to reconstitute powdered meds for injection, but it could also be lidocaine (numbing agent.) Or some other med I've never seen before.

Not sure about the shorter fatter vial, could be anything really.

EDIT: How do we know this pic is legit? Just curious, it just seems so....obvious. Like it was planted for people to see - the diet food/drink, the Trimspa box on the floor, the drugs sitting on the bottom shelf - something doesn't seem right to me. And B12 does NOT need to be refrigerated (neither does sterile water, lido, etc.), so I have no clue why it would even be in there.

strandinthewind · #**232** 02-12-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by skcin

. . . I'm 99% sure that it's B12, which is given intramuscularly.

Which is relatively harmless

Moreover, it is rumored ANS was a vegetarian ( http://blog.peta.org/archives/2007/0...nicole_smi.php ) and they often need B-12 shots

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/d...di/202596.html

gldstwmn · #**233** 02-12-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by skcin

The clear one looks like sterile water or sodium chloride to reconstitute powdered meds for injection, but it could also be lidocaine (numbing agent.)

Veddy interesting. Could she have been mainlining the valium then, or god knows what else?

gldstwmn · #**234** 02-12-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Which is relatively harmless

And will give you more energy and make you feel better than a big fat line of coke...

strandinthewind · #**235** 02-12-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Veddy interesting. Could she have been mainlining the valium then, or god knows what else?

Like the methadone

Also, the coroner's report specifically stated the autopsy results revealed "no findings that would indicate continuing drug abuse," whatever that means.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251015,00.html

gldstwmn · #**236** 02-12-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Like the methadone

Also, the coroner's report specifically stated the autopsy results revealed "no findings that would indicate continuing drug abuse," whatever that means.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251015,00.html

I believe the more specific wording was illegal drug use? They also said her liver was enlarged which is a telltale sign.
Also, I thought methadone came in a liquid form?

skcin · #**237** 02-12-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I believe the more specific wording was illegal drug use? They also said her liver was enlarged which is a telltale sign.
Also, I thought methadone came in a liquid form?

It does. words words words

skcin · #**238** 02-12-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Veddy interesting. Could she have been mainlining the valium then, or god knows what else?

I suppose, but it can also be used to reconstitute antibiotics.

Kelly · #**239** 02-13-2007, 09:41 AM

I am really torn about Howard, too. He was obviously an enabler but he had to have cared about this girl, too. I mean he has been with her for years, 24 hours a day. She has not seen a penny of JHM's milions yet so I am having a hard time believing HKS cared only about her money. I read ANS has been in rehab numerous times so I would bet HKS tried to get her help. The "Dubai" story is weird, but again, it seems he wanted to get her help. No one can force another to quit drugs, no matter how much they may want them too. The whole thing is so nuts but also intriguing.

strandinthewind · #**240** 02-13-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelly

I am really torn about Howard, too. He was obviously an enabler but he had to have cared about this girl, too. I mean he has been with her for years, 24 hours a day. She has not seen a penny of JHM's milions yet so I am having a hard time believing HKS cared only about her money. I read ANS has been in rehab numerous times so I would bet HKS tried to get her help. The "Dubai" story is weird, but again, it seems he wanted to get her help. No one can force another to quit drugs, no matter how much they may want them too. The whole thing is so nuts but also intriguing.

I agreee with this. Also, I think she was doing ok until Daniel died and that, understandably, sent her over the deep end. And, not just on narcotics; I think she lost her will to live.