SYW, best album of all time?

[Lindsfan]

Originally Posted by elle

i'm not sure, i didn't look at the lyrics on the CD sleeve, i just looked at one of those free online lyric sites and those don't always have it right. so i just assumed it was written wrong.

i don't know, i always took it as telling the person as they were looking in the eyes of their newborn... but you know english is not my first language so i may be wrong.

I was just pointing out that his tense would still be wrong. But that's the poet that he is.

[Deeshere]

Originally Posted by Lindsfan

Okay, I always felt this song was about Kristen. That he's talking to Kristen. And I still do. But this part was always what tripped me up:

Magic one all our dreams are done I
have no faith today
Sun will rise in your newborn eyes just
let me slip away
I won't be home tonight I'll just slip out
of sight

WHO is Magic one? The way it's written, it's the same person that has newborn eyes, right? Unless he's mixing his tenses

So either he's talking to Will, or he's doing something we know, based on Destiny Rules doc., that he would never do.

Or...maybe he just likes the sound of Magic One. I don't know if Bob Dylan would approve, or not, but what does Lindsey care? He does what he wants to do.

But maybe it's not that deep. Obviously he was arguing with Kristen about something. Something that happened around the time of Will's birth. So, I think Magic One is his weed pipe. The argument was about his smoking. She wanted him to give it up, and so he decided to cast it away into the waste basket. But not before slipping out of sight for one last toke.

Going with my theory that the song is about Stevie an not Kristen..magic one would be Stevie as Stevie has always been associated with magic, spirits, fairies etc... New born eyes would be his description of how Stevie sees Lindsey now that he's married has kids and has moved on with his life with his family...her eyes are now open to his new life.

If the song is about Kristen why would he tell her to "''keep yourself out of sight" he's telling Stevie to stay away and let him be happy with his family and dance on his cast away dreams...but he doesn't want her to completely go away because he tells her to sleep and dream of him...if he was talking about weed he would not tell it to dream about him...because as you know that's not possible.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by Lindsfan

So, I think Magic One is his weed pipe. The argument was about his smoking. She wanted him to give it up, and so he decided to cast it away into the waste basket. But not before slipping out of sight for one last toke.

I'm sorry. That's just funny to me. I've heard this interpretation before but I can't see it at all.

[Deeshere]

Originally Posted by elle

he says in all these interviews and intros he was having fight with and then talking to Kristen the next morning after he played her the song that he wrote for her, so why are we taking his words as he's talking to someone else? 0

He never said in any interviews or intro's that I have seen that he talked to Kristen the next morning and played her the song that he wrote for her.

Everytime I have heard him talk about the argument he and Kristen had, he said that Kristen went back to L.A after the argument, and he stayed in the hotel room alone and ended up writing Cast Away Dreams.

[Lindsfan]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

I'm sorry. That's just funny to me. I've heard this interpretation before but I can't see it at all.

Actually, I'm a little bummed. I thought I was the first to come up with that theory

[redtulip]

I think when he says "keep yourself out of sight" he is talking about himself. Taking some time to himself to say goodbye to his castaway dreams. And maybe newborn is more like "new born" eye. Not a baby, but his new outlook once he has cast aside his dreams?

Regardless, I think the song is written for Kristen and not Stevie, since Lindsey has flat out said this. There may be Stevie in the song, but I think he's writing it to Kristen about their fight and what ever he agreed to give up (dreams of solo fame, Stevie, pot, maybe a combo of all three). But since he has come out and said he wrote the song after a fight with Kristen, I don't see how it could be written to Stevie.

[Lindsfan]

Originally Posted by Deeshere

He never said in any interviews or intro's that I have seen that he talked to Kristen the next morning and played her the song that he wrote for her.

Everytime I have heard him talk about the argument he and Kristen had, he said that Kristen went back to L.A after the argument, and he stayed in the hotel room alone and ended up writing Cast Away Dreams.

I have no idea re. the first part. I don't care enough to dig that deeply into it. It sounds right, but I honestly don't recall. However, I do recall him saying that she went back to L.A., while he stayed in his hotel. If she did, they can still talk. They have phones for that. I'm sure he could play her a song over the phone too.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by Lindsfan

Actually, I'm a little bummed. I thought I was the first to come up with that theory

Maybe I read your interpretation before?

I think it's highly creative and entertaining though!

[Lindsfan]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Maybe I read your interpretation before?

I think it's highly creative and entertaining though!

Aww, thanks

[redtulip]

Originally Posted by Deeshere

He never said in any interviews or intro's that I have seen that he talked to Kristen the next morning and played her the song that he wrote for her.

Everytime I have heard him talk about the argument he and Kristen had, he said that Kristen went back to L.A after the argument, and he stayed in the hotel room alone and ended up writing Cast Away Dreams.

Why would he write a song for Stevie and play it for Kristen after a fight? That seems like it would just start a new fight. The way Lindsey describes calling Kristen the next day and playing her the song, I can't only take from that that the song is written for Kristen and not Stevie. There may be elements of Stevie in it, but it is largely about something that happened between Lindsey and Kristen based on everything Lindsey has ever said about the song.

[Lindsfan]

Originally Posted by redtulip

Why would he write a song for Stevie and play it for Kristen after a fight? That seems like it would just start a new fight. The way Lindsey describes calling Kristen the next day and playing her the song, I can't only take from that that the song is written for Kristen and not Stevie. There may be elements of Stevie in it, but it is largely about something that happened between Lindsey and Kristen based on everything Lindsey has ever said about the song.

Exactly!!

And I just watched his description again, just now, on Bass Hall. He describes it as "...holding on to a dream, an idea, a goal."

His whole demeanor, as well as his words clearly sound like it's more career related. Maybe that dream was BN, or maybe it was a different kind of solo career...or both

[Deeshere]

Originally Posted by Lindsfan

I have no idea re. the first part. I don't care enough to dig that deeply into it. It sounds right, but I honestly don't recall. However, I do recall him saying that she went back to L.A., while he stayed in his hotel. If she did, they can still talk. They have phones for that. I'm sure he could play her a song over the phone too.

Honestly, I am not trying to upset anyone. I admit I am kind of a research alcoholic, but all I really was trying to do was present another side to the discussion, so maybe you could think about it.

I hope I did not offend you or elle questioning the song's meaning.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by Deeshere

Honestly, I am not trying to upset anyone. I admit I am kind of a research alcoholic, but all I really was trying to do was present another side to the discussion, so maybe you could think about it.

I hope I did not offend you or elle questioning the song's meaning.

You're entitled to your opinion and interpretation. Everybody gets offended here sooner or later.

[Deeshere]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

You're entitled to your opinion and interpretation. Everybody gets offended here sooner or later.

Thanks. I don't think truer words have ever been spoken..Err..I mean written.

[elle]

Originally Posted by Deeshere

Honestly, I am not trying to upset anyone. I admit I am kind of a research alcoholic, but all I really was trying to do was present another side to the discussion, so maybe you could think about it.

I hope I did not offend you or elle questioning the song's meaning.

why would that offend us? you are adding to the discussion, providing your opinion.

it would be boring if everybody had the same opinion, and it just shows how interesting lyrics are if everyone draws different conclusions from them.

plus, we are discussing a meaning of LB's solo song in a Rumours forum thread discussing the album that had a lot of LB's solo material on it, but that song was not a part of that solo material predating SYW! i for one am happy about that!!


about being offended by someone constructively contributing to a discussion, it goes both ways. in my experience (being thrown out of various BN boards and blocked by various shippers on twitter ), it seems that at least a good number of shippers are way too easily offended if someone states any opinion that doesn't agree with their theories and speculations.


going back to Cast Away Dreams, who knows, people who think it's about ending Stevie/Lindsey affair may be right... but i think the problem with that interpretation is that it's based on the premise that they actually HAD an affair during SYW tour. if they didn't - well, it's a house of cards.

my interpretation is built primarily on Bass Hall / Not Too Late doc. that whole doc is going in circles around his solo career options and choices. many songs on UTS are about that too - think Not Too Late as the most blatant example. so to me the interpretation i talked about was just a complete non-brainer, something that logically flowed from Bass Hall / Not Too Late doc. but that may not be the only interpretation and i don't think it is, otherwise LB wouldn't make a point n that interview you quoted about how his lyrics are not as literal as they used to be by citing example of that song. and, you never know, Lindsfan may be closer to the truth than we think with that weed interpretation .