Lindsey was fired. RIP Fleetwood Mac.

[dreamsunwind]

Yeah, but without Lindsey, it would've been BTM, part II.

Lindsey is the guiding force that FM needs.

And wasn't it Lindsey's solo project that got them all back together? Again lol.

[HomerMcvie]

And wasn't it Lindsey's solo project that got them all back together? Again lol.

Some bloated egos ~band members and fans~, can't admit it.

It's okay, we know the truth.:woohoo:

[dreamsunwind]

Some bloated egos ~band members and fans~, can't admit it.

It's okay, we know the truth.:woohoo:

It's just really so sad. I don't understand how they can feel good about this. Even if Lindsey HAD made some crazy unreasonable request (which he didn't) how can they just fire their most valuable member? The one who put all that work and energy in. Sure he had an ego about it and sure he was a pain to be around a lot of the time but he did the work! And it was beautiful work. And after all these years I just don't understand where's the good for them in all of this.

[sodascouts]

There's probably a clause on no LB questions.

I wonder how they're going to handle that. I mean, the people at these meet'n'greets will have paid over $600 for the privilege. Are they really going to start off these friendly chats with "NO Questions about Lindsey Buckingham!" and threaten to throw out anyone who disobeys?

"Didn't Lindsey Buckingham have a really big hand in basically creating the Fleetwood Mac sound? Didn't he produce basically all their songs? And he just finished touring with Christine McVie? And they're just like 'well bye'".

That's what really astounding. Everything he'd contributed over the years - all the work he'd done for the band and continued to do for the band - counted for nothing in the end. It's so wrong, so terribly wrong.

[HomerMcvie]

It's just really so sad. I don't understand how they can feel good about this. Even if Lindsey HAD made some crazy unreasonable request (which he didn't) how can they just fire their most valuable member? The one who put all that work and energy in. Sure he had an ego about it and sure he was a pain to be around a lot of the time but he did the work! And it was beautiful work. And after all these years I just don't understand where's the good for them in all of this.

Very well said. I agree with every word. It's difficult to understand how the band can be so f*cking stupid.

[iamnotafraid]

I screwed a box to my mower, between my feet, in which I place a 9mm while mowing...

I like your style.

[button-lip]

Very well said. I agree with every word. It's difficult to understand how the band can be so f*cking stupid.

I think the reason you’re looking for is Stevie Nicks ;)

[Macfan4life]

Don't Stop is really a Christine song IMHO. I think its a mistake to do Go Your Own Way. They have enough material to do. You just fired the guy and want to do the traditional Fleetwood Mac closer? Haven't you "moved on" and consider this a "new band."
Or are you so desperate to convince people this is Rumours Fleetwood Mac that you must play the first single from the album. Have you no creativity in this "new band." Do you want to sound like a cover band of Fleetwood Mac or sound like the "new" Fleetwood Mac?

[guillamene]

Don't want Tom Petty songs in a Fleetwood Mac concert!

[jkmaletic]

He would have been better off if he just stopped for a few seconds, looked the guy in the eye and answered a few questions. To scurry off like that looked bad. Missed opportunity to show some class and show that he believes in the decision that was made.

Jamie

[StevieandChris]

:confused: Lindsey had a tantrum?

where's the evidence? who told you that?

:laugh::laugh::woohoo:

My word for his behavior/statement about the promoter, his manager, etc. That ordeal.

[elle]

He would have been better off if he just stopped for a few seconds, looked the guy in the eye and answered a few questions. To scurry off like that looked bad. Missed opportunity to show some class and show that he believes in the decision that was made.

Jamie

because:
a) he has no class
and
b) deep down he probably knows it's one of the more a$$hole-ish backstabbing non-respectful ungrateful decisions he made in his life (and i have to believe he had many :laugh:).

so i really don't know why you'd expect him to show class and belief in this.

[bwboy]

Don't want Tom Petty songs in a Fleetwood Mac concert!

I agree 100%! I'm afraid they're going to sing at least 3 Tom Petty songs- Stop Dragging My Heart by Stevie and Mike, Need to Know by Stevie, and Running Down a Dream by Mike. I could handle one Petty song, but not three, that's just too much. Along with Don't Dream It's Over, that is taking away from FM's catalog. There are just too many deep cuts that could be played instead that could also give Mike and Neil a chance to shine.

[BigAl84]

I think if they start including multiple TP tunes and a Crowded House song, the reviews are going to be rough. It will get praise for being a good show and the talents of Mike and Neil will be recognized, but I wouldn't be shocked if we see this line quite a bit: "but, at the end of the day it really wasn't a Fleetwood Mac show and didn't really sound like one either"

[guillamene]

:mad:I think if they start including multiple TP tunes and a Crowded House song, the reviews are going to be rough. It will get praise for being a good show and the talents of Mike and Neil will be recognized, but I wouldn't be shocked if we see this line quite a bit: "but, at the end of the day it really wasn't a Fleetwood Mac show and didn't really sound like one either"
-
Exactly! All of these are great songs, but -like Stand Back- they have no place in a Fleetwood Mac concert. All of this makes me more despondent: the initial hope that we would get some unheard gems that LB wouldn't do from the new line up is rapidly diminishing. 3/4 TP/Crowded House songs mean 3/4 FEWER Fleetwood Mac songs.....which is what WE DON'T WANT!
As I said before, I have a horrible feeling that they will play it SO safe.................

[BigAl84]

It would of been so much smarter had they created a Traveling Wilbury's situation. Create a supergoup of some sort and don't call it Fleetwood Mac. It could of worked just fine and come across with more integrity.

However...

1. Would Stevie get on board with something not billed Fleetwood Mac despite Mike and Neil's involvement...

2. It may have required smaller venues = less cash.

[elle]

My word for his behavior/statement about the promoter, his manager, etc. That ordeal.

Ah yeah. Standing up for art instead of being a complete commercial whore. Which at this point in their careers and lives, they really shouldn’t be. But people seem to try to justify, in a very self-righteous ways too. :)

[nicepace]

For decades Ringo Starr has toured using a successful and entertaining format: the All-Starr Band. He recruits other known musicians who had hit records during the '70s and '80s. He sings his own songs, then goes behind the drum kit to drum on these other musicians' hits. It's a lot of fun, fans like it, and nobody complains that Ringo should only be doing songs by The Beatles and from his own solo catalog.

This new FM format ought to be called The Mick Fleetwood All Star Band. Then they could have some Fleetwood Mac songs, they could have a solo song or two by Stevie and even Christine, they could have some Tom Petty songs, they could have some songs by the band the other new guy was in; they could even have Sheryl Crow drop in and do a song or two.

Wouldn't that be more honest than calling this Fleetwood Mac? Their publicity on this has been so forced and awkward, why don't they just come out and call this what it is? (Rhetorical question ... I know the an$wer.)

[SisterNightroad]

Ah yeah. Standing up for art instead of being a complete commercial whore. Which at this point in their careers and lives, they really shouldn’t be. But people seem to try to justify, in a very self-righteous ways too. :)
But it's thanks to promoters that FM members, including Lindsey, were able to mantain their lifestyle, which in his case comprehends pursuing his artistic solo career regardless of economical profit; I doubt without their help any of them would have the ability to handle the economical side of the business on their own. As we say in my country You shouldn't spit in the plate you're eating from, I think in your country you say Don't forget where your bread is buttered or Don't bite the hand that feeds you

[StevieandChris]

Ah yeah. Standing up for art instead of being a complete commercial whore. Which at this point in their careers and lives, they really shouldn’t be. But people seem to try to justify, in a very self-righteous ways too. :)

Yawn. Now he has plenty of time for his “art.”

[sodascouts]

It was the TMZ guy who asked if they would do Petty songs; Mick just grunted. I hope they see what an absolutely awful idea that would be and don't do more than "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around"... but then I could see Stevie insisting upon more because he just meant so very much to her. I hope that's not the case, though.

Side note: Of course, I feel for Stevie that she lost her close friend, but talking so much about how it affected her - making that a part of her interviews about firing Lindsey, presumably making it a part of speeches she gives at concerts - talking about Tom's death has become a "Stevie thing" now. It's going to be a "Stevie thing" at least until the end of this tour, which is over a year. Now that it's a part of her spiel, every interview she does, she's going to spend part of it talking about how Tom Petty's death affected her. And that's not good for anyone, including her, because it's not a natural processing of grief.

[button-lip]

Ah yeah. Standing up for art instead of being a complete commercial whore. Which at this point in their careers and lives, they really shouldn’t be. But people seem to try to justify, in a very self-righteous ways too. :)

Yeah, those are the same that think that playing a tambourine is "art". :nod::nod:

[bwboy]

This new FM format ought to be called The Mick Fleetwood All Star Band. Wouldn't that be more honest than calling this Fleetwood Mac? Their publicity on this has been so forced and awkward, why don't they just come out and call this what it is? (Rhetorical question ... I know the an$wer.)

No, because unlike Ringo's band, FM still has 4 of the 5 members most associated with the band.

Your idea would be like saying, when Bob Welch left and was replaced by Lindsey and Stevie, that they should have renamed FM the Mick Fleetwood All Star Band back then. They didn't change the name then, so it's unnecessary to do it now.

[HomerMcvie]

I think the reason you’re looking for is Stevie Nicks ;)

Now that's just rude...


No, wait! I meant TRUE!:angel::p:angel:

[ryan4136]

Couple things.

1) Tom Petty songs...as in plural? What would they really play beyond Stop Dragging

2) While TP and SN were certainly good friends, I've always felt and still feel things relationship is a bit over blown. Seems like a convienent excuse for people on both ends of the firing to use in the way that helps their argument.

[BigAl84]

Okay fine.

How about...


Mick Fleetwoods Sh*t Wagon Revue?

[SisterNightroad]

Couple things.

1) Tom Petty songs...as in plural? What would they really play beyond Stop Dragging

2) While TP and SN were certainly good friends, I've always felt and still feel things relationship is a bit over blown. Seems like a convienent excuse for people on both ends of the firing to use in the way that helps their argument.
Both Tom and Mike have written and performed I Will Run to You, I don't think it's very likely but still a nice possibility, I think they could all pull it off well.

[NotonRodeo]

Yeah, those are the same that think that playing a tambourine is "art". :nod::nod:

So are twirling and shawl changing.

[HomerMcvie]

So are twirling and shawl changing.

Art? Yeah, she's quite the artiste!
So am I!

[Neal]

As we say in my country You shouldn't spit in the plate you're eating from, I think in your country you say Don't forget where your bread is buttered or Don't bite the hand that feeds you

We use all those expressions in the U.S., but I'm still partial to "Don't **** where you eat". :woohoo:

[SisterNightroad]

We use all those expressions in the U.S., but I'm still partial to "Don't **** where you eat". :woohoo:
Cool thanks, I'll add it among my mental drawer for "English idioms", it will make for some fun dinner anectodes (yes, I'm that deviant).

[MaryLiz2]

Yawn. Now he has plenty of time for his “art.”

Right? People should be happy that he's no longer shackled by evil Mick and Stevie's money-grubbing, creatively barren ways. :rolleyes:

And I don't get why it's sparking such derision and outcry about being in it for the money. Not to be cold toward the band...but they are all OLD. Who cares if they want to go get paid while they can.

[AncientQueen]

^^^About their age: I'm sure that the "Fleetwood Mac Social Club" will go on and on.

[mylittledemon]

How about...


Mick Fleetwoods Sh*t Wagon Revue?

:laugh:


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[AncientQueen]

The Fleetwood Mac Social Club?
They are at least old enough.

[elle]

Now that it's a part of her spiel, every interview she does, she's going to spend part of it talking about how Tom Petty's death affected her.

it's shamelessly milking Tom's death. as she tends to do.

[AncientQueen]

She married Robin Andersons widower shortly after Robin died. She had Lindsey, her bandmate and ex fired to have Tom Pettys sidekick in her band after Tom died.
It's save to say that Stevie does not handle grieve very good and that she makes irrational decisions when grieving.

[button-lip]

Right? People should be happy that he's no longer shackled by evil Mick and Stevie's money-grubbing, creatively barren ways. :rolleyes:

And I don't get why it's sparking such derision and outcry about being in it for the money. Not to be cold toward the band...but they are all OLD. Who cares if they want to go get paid while they can.


Hmmm, maybe because we wanted the same thing he wanted: to see him on both his solo tour and with his money-grubbing, evil band members. :rolleyes:

[secondhandchain]

My brother who I consider a casual fan and owns probably two of their albums said when I mentioned what happened: "oh i was under the impression that he left again. It's not Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey. I wouldn't go see them again , why bother?" Yes, why bother.

[button-lip]

She married Robin Andersons widower shortly after Robin died. She had Lindsey, her bandmate and ex fired to have Tom Pettys sidekick in her band after Tom died.
It's save to say that Stevie does not handle grieve very good and that she makes irrational decisions when grieving.

That doesn't justify what she has done.

[elle]

Hmmm, maybe because we wanted the same thing he wanted: to see him on both his solo tour and with his money-grubbing, evil band members. :rolleyes:

i know right? how hard is that to understand?? he was going to be in rehearsals for his solo tour right now! we would already have his solo tour dates and we would actually KNOW it is happening. and then we could also go see him / the whole FM at some of the dates in between. the way he was planning it, it would have been SPECTACULAR for fans.

now we have nothing but a speculation that he is hopefully not getting completely screwed over by both promoters and his label, and that maybe - maybe! - that album he's under contract for will actually be allowed to come out in some reasonable time frame, and that MAYBE we will get his solo tour this fall. it was a SURE THING! and now it's not. how hard is that for people to understand?? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

did i mention recently how much i hate it when he has a label vs being on his own and free to do whatever he wants??

[BigAl84]

Here's a really freakin sad contrast for you....

After all that has happened in the past few weeks, let's take a step back and remember:

When Tom and the Heartbreakers were honored at Music Cares, he was deeply touched and then went on to have as he described, one of the best and happiest tours they had ever had as a group.

Fleetwood Mac managed to mangle the whole thing within a week and then attempts to rewrite history with a "new band".

I can't even attempt to logically justify it all.

[BombaySapphire3]

I can't decide if this tour and "brand new "Fleetwood Mac are going to be as fun as getting my tonsils out at age 25 or the hemorrhoidectomy I had a few years back:shrug:

[diamondsnake]

Look at this video clip from 2014 and how happy everyone seemed! It's so sad to watch now. How could such a joyful reuniting of the classic five turn so ugly and sad within just a few years?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtdyYQ9XGq0

[SteveMacD]

Look at this video clip from 2014 and how happy everyone seemed! It's so sad to watch now. How could such a joyful reuniting of the classic five turn so ugly and sad within just a few years?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtdyYQ9XGq0
Because Stevie didn’t record with them. She should have been shown the door, but whatever. Getting rid of Stevie would hurt the bottom line.

[dreamsunwind]

She married Robin Andersons widower shortly after Robin died. She had Lindsey, her bandmate and ex fired to have Tom Pettys sidekick in her band after Tom died.
It's save to say that Stevie does not handle grieve very good and that she makes irrational decisions when grieving.

I totally agree with this.
I saw the similarities between the two situations as well. It's almost creepy how it's nearly the exact same scenario.

[SteveMacD]

She married Robin Andersons widower shortly after Robin died. She had Lindsey, her bandmate and ex fired to have Tom Pettys sidekick in her band after Tom died.
It's save to say that Stevie does not handle grieve very good and that she makes irrational decisions when grieving.
I think she went off the deep end after her mom died. That’s when she really started blowing off Fleetwood Mac.

[Angel75]

I think she went off the deep end after her mom died. That’s when she really started blowing off Fleetwood Mac.

But as she said in 2013 that her mother passing actually brought her and LB closer together, which was a positive outcome. That is probably normal grieving behaviour, cling and hold on to those close to you that remain in your life......the extreme opposite of that is to punish them and get them sacked from their big machine livelihood

[Storms123]

Couple things.

1) Tom Petty songs...as in plural? What would they really play beyond Stop Dragging

2) While TP and SN were certainly good friends, I've always felt and still feel things relationship is a bit over blown. Seems like a convienent excuse for people on both ends of the firing to use in the way that helps their argument.

If I am going to go to a FM show--_I want to hear FM music. Period. I don't want a cheap HB cover I want FM

[Villavic]

Looking for nice Mac milestones dates in the web, unfortunately I found today was the day the band announced Lindsey was fired, or so I read. Unlucky me, this made me remember this ugly moment :mad: . And while April was the month Rumours went No. 1, it doesn't seem to be a good month for the band historically. It was also the month Peter announced he was leaving.

[bombaysaffires]

But as she said in 2013 that her mother passing actually brought her and LB closer together, which was a positive outcome. That is probably normal grieving behaviour, cling and hold on to those close to you that remain in your life......the extreme opposite of that is to punish them and get them sacked from their big machine livelihood

Clearly Christine's death did nothing to make them see sense or that life is short and to put grudges behind them. At least for her, it seemed to do the opposite. All these deaths I think just reinforced her belief that she should listen to herself and only herself even if people around her think her decisions aren't great. Each death seems to have reinforced her belief that hers is the only opinion that matters.:shrug:

[Villavic]

I don't know about them, but in my very personal experience, those who are very emotional during grief, say things they may genuinely mean, but it only lasts during that period. I don't usually take them seriously unless they confirm them after a while.