Christine wants to rejoin the band according to The Guardian

[In Your Dreams]

Here's the article!

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/nov/22/christine-mcvie-wants-to-rejoin-fleetwood-mac

[Ulpian]

Here's the article!

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/nov/22/christine-mcvie-wants-to-rejoin-fleetwood-mac

This is amazing. :nod:

[Lori40]

I find it hard to believe that Lindsey wouldn't want Christine to rejoin the band, especially if it means recording a new album and touring.

[vivfox]

Awesome article.

[Bryan]

It's so interesting that it's come to this. It's human nature to desire change no matter how long a person has a certain routine going,be it one year or 15. Sounds like she's just eager to start a new phase of life ,i'm sure her ''Sloane Ranger'' era ran it's course but it's still interesting to read that she now says she ''suffered from some delusion'' for even wanting that lifestyle.Must be those manipulative therapists telling her so;) ...it seemed to me she was perfectly happy in the first couple of years of 'retirement' ..it even shows on In The Meantime & the videos and interviews that were done.

Anyways i'm happy that she's expressing interest now ,it's just so ironic/utterly tragic that she finally decides this after SO LONG and BAM John McVie takes ill ...there are no words

[Ulpian]

It's so interesting that it's come to this. It's human nature to desire change no matter how long a person has a certain routine going,be it one year or 15. Sounds like she's just eager to start a new phase of life ,i'm sure her ''Sloane Ranger'' era ran it's course but it's still interesting to read that she now says she ''suffered from some delusion'' for even wanting that lifestyle.Must be those manipulative therapists telling her so;) ...it seemed to me she was perfectly happy in the first couple of years of 'retirement' ..it even shows on In The Meantime & the videos and interviews that were done.

Anyways i'm happy that she's expressing interest now ,it's just so ironic/utterly tragic that she finally decides this after SO LONG and BAM John McVie takes ill ...there are no words

I'm delighted too, but when she talks about rejoining/her return being considered as "a long way down that path" I did think that, given their advancing years, they really can't leave things for very long.

[SteveMacD]

I find it hard to believe that Lindsey wouldn't want Christine to rejoin the band, especially if it means recording a new album and touring.
It didn't say he wouldn't want her back full-time, just that he was afraid that it could still the band's thunder, which even Christine thought was fair.

Even if he didn't, band politics might work against him.

With her saying "if you ask me, the answer is 'yes'", I bet they'll ask her.

[Ulpian]

It didn't say he wouldn't want her back full-time, just that he was afraid that it could still the band's thunder, which even Christine thought was fair.

Even if he didn't, band politics might work against him.

With her saying "if you ask me, the answer is 'yes'", I bet they'll ask her.

I'm sure Stevie would do another album with Chris on board.

If John is well enough, maybe they'll tour for 2014 then head into the studio?

I wonder also if this would mean that Chris would move back to the US? She couldn't really be in the band without spending a lot of time there whilst they're recording.

[Josh2003]

That interview actually brought tears to my eyes.

Never thought I'd see the day.


PS: Lindsey...please don't be a dick.

[I'msoAfraid95]

I'm almost positive that John's illness is a part od why she wants to return. Since John's outlook is very good, I'm sure Mick is already planning a way to get her back. Stevie, too.

Lindsey is outvoted. :p.

[APerfectLie]

This is freaking great! I hope there is no 2014 tour and just studio time for the band. John will still be recovering, so it'd make sense for him to ease into working again by hitting the studio for a few months than to be thrown straight into another tour. Plus, they've done a million greatest hits tours. Better get them in the studio while they are all happy and then have no choice but to tour instead of wait for a tour to end and they are at eachothers throats and say to hell with a new album.

[redtulip]

Before everyone gets on board the Lindsey is a dick train (which already seems to be leaving the station), his reservations were about Christine joining the band for a guest appearance, not as a full-fledged member. We have no idea how he feels about that, so you might as well wait and see if he talks about it in an interview before the mud is thrown.

His concern seemed to be Christine getting the bulk of the reviews/headlines when she was just there for a couple shows when the rest of them had been there for the rehearsals and the rest of the shows, putting in the bulk of the work. Whether or not you agree with him, it's how he felt and Christine even said it was a valid concern. Now if she joined full time recording and touring, I think he'd probably have a much different point of view on that. In fact, it seems to me that he might enjoy her returning to the band as he seemed to be hurt when she left.

Bottom line is, he has not come out and said he's against Christine joining, so what's the point in insulting him now before his thoughts on Christine rejoining are known?

[Josh2003]

Before everyone gets on board the Lindsey is a dick train (which already seems to be leaving the station), his reservations were about Christine joining the band for a guest appearance, not as a full-fledged member. We have no idea how he feels about that, so you might as well wait and see if he talks about it in an interview before the mud is thrown.

His concern seemed to be Christine getting the bulk of the reviews/headlines when she was just there for a couple shows when the rest of them had been there for the rehearsals and the rest of the shows, putting in the bulk of the work. Whether or not you agree with him, it's how he felt and Christine even said it was a valid concern. Now if she joined full time recording and touring, I think he'd probably have a much different point of view on that. In fact, it seems to me that he might enjoy her returning to the band as he seemed to be hurt when she left.

Bottom line is, he has not come out and said he's against Christine joining, so what's the point in insulting him now before his thoughts on Christine rejoining are known?

I was, of course, speaking tongue-in-cheekly. Do I think Lindsey would undermine her efforts to come back on a full-time basis? Probably not. He just seems the most likely of any of them :lol: (again, making a joke here)

[Ulpian]

Before everyone gets on board the Lindsey is a dick train (which already seems to be leaving the station), his reservations were about Christine joining the band for a guest appearance, not as a full-fledged member. We have no idea how he feels about that, so you might as well wait and see if he talks about it in an interview before the mud is thrown.

His concern seemed to be Christine getting the bulk of the reviews/headlines when she was just there for a couple shows when the rest of them had been there for the rehearsals and the rest of the shows, putting in the bulk of the work. Whether or not you agree with him, it's how he felt and Christine even said it was a valid concern. Now if she joined full time recording and touring, I think he'd probably have a much different point of view on that. In fact, it seems to me that he might enjoy her returning to the band as he seemed to be hurt when she left.

Bottom line is, he has not come out and said he's against Christine joining, so what's the point in insulting him now before his thoughts on Christine rejoining are known?

I would certainly love to hear what he says on the matter, eventually. Her return wouldn't really be all that different to his in 1997.

[SteveMacD]

This is freaking great! I hope there is no 2014 tour and just studio time for the band. John will still be recovering, so it'd make sense for him to ease into working again by hitting the studio for a few months than to be thrown straight into another tour. Plus, they've done a million greatest hits tours. Better get them in the studio while they are all happy and then have no choice but to tour instead of wait for a tour to end and they are at eachothers throats and say to hell with a new album.
OR...

Lindsey said that he cut eight songs with Mick and John. Three of those were released on EP, which leaves five finished unreleased songs. We also know that Christine has been working some new material, supposedly for a new solo album. All that's needed is for Stevie to go through some of her older songs that have never been officially recorded. If they continue to use Mitchell Froom, the album could be done before they hit the road and be released while on the road.

[vivfox]

I respect everyone's opinions.

[holidayroad]

I'm really surprised! Of course, I've wanted Christine to come back, but I didn't think she would!! :woohoo:

[BlueDenimLamp]

It really does not matter what Christine wants...It's what Stevie and Lindsey want and if they don't want her back then it's not going to happen...Right now "Buckingham/Nicks" IS Fleetwood Mac are they going to give that up?

[Ulpian]

It really does not matter what Christine wants...It's what Stevie and Lindsey want and if they don't want her back then it's not going to happen...Right now "Buckingham/Nicks" IS Fleetwood Mac are they going to give that up?

Uh, I'm pretty sure Stevie would.

[KarmaContestant]

A new Fleetwood Mac album is the last thing I want. Unless Christine is part of it!

[olive]

that's going to be a very expensive concert ticket

[MoonSister75]

Exciting news!! Its great to hear what Christine has to say about her recent appearance with the band, and possibilities of the future. And more positive news about John. :thumbsup:

[MrStevie]

Before everyone gets on board the Lindsey is a dick train (which already seems to be leaving the station),

ALL ABOARD! :lol:

:D

[SteveMacD]

It really does not matter what Christine wants...It's what Stevie and Lindsey want and if they don't want her back then it's not going to happen...Right now "Buckingham/Nicks" IS Fleetwood Mac are they going to give that up?
Stevie would in a heartbeat. Remember, she almost unleashed Sheryl Crow on all of us because she wanted another woman in the band.

Lindsey would because it would probably lead to another Fleetwood Mac album.

Honestly, this is a no-brainer. I just hope they don't f**k it up.

[GavinBrown]

I bet Mick is already on the phone with her sealing the deal! On a side note, it would be really cool if they spent next year working on a new album and then release it and do a 40th Anniversary tour of this lineup in 2015 :]

[SteveMacD]

I bet Mick is already on the phone with her sealing the deal! On a side note, it would be really cool if they spent next year working on a new album and then release it and do a 40th Anniversary tour of this lineup in 2015 :]
But, they'd only be 48.

[BlueDenimLamp]

I bet Mick is already on the phone with her sealing the deal! On a side note, it would be really cool if they spent next year working on a new album and then release it and do a 40th Anniversary tour of this lineup in 2015 :]

But, they'd only be 48.

I think he's talking about the "Rumours" line up...

[GavinBrown]

Correct :nod:

[jbrownsjr]

The last thing Lindsey actually said was that he would be shocked if she wanted anything to do with FMac again. "Shocked and pleased.

[louielouie2000]

I bet Mick is already on the phone with her sealing the deal! On a side note, it would be really cool if they spent next year working on a new album and then release it and do a 40th Anniversary tour of this lineup in 2015 :]

A man after my own heart. :nod:

I keep expecting this to be a gag on us... Christine returning just seems too good to be true. :shocked:

[WildHearted]

I keep expecting this to be a gag on us... Christine returning just seems too good to be true. :shocked:

Same. I'm looking for the catch here..

[I'msoAfraid95]

ALL ABOARD! :lol:

:D

Choo Choo. :p


Please Lindsey, compromise is a good thing. Let Christine rejoin, and let her use a tour bus whenever possible. I'd have the dates w/ Chris spread out over several months, than dates without her.

If they record an album, Chris can do her bit from England if she's good with technology.

[The Catdancer]

I wonder when this interview was done. Maybe Stevie went back to England after the Amsterdam show. But, hell yeah!!! I hope she comes back. I would like to see this line up one more time :nod:

[Mr Scarrott]

I guess the clues were there- Christine looking just so happy and at ease in public recently; she can still nail it vocally; those cagey remarks about her new songs possibly being for a solo album; Mick talking about how her return "would be entertained" before they "knock it on the head".

She sounds as if she would tour as well as record- I can't believe that Lindsey would block her return after his (only) nine-year break. John's health willing, I believe this is really going to happen. That meteor that hit Russia last year- wasn't it really just a small asteroid, anyway?

[GoldDustBoy]

I really doubt that Lindsey is against Christine rejoining the band. I mean, its impossible for him not to know how much the fans miss her, plus she was in the band before him, plus she wrote half of their hits, plus he left the band, and came back after 10 years. In case he really is, he gives the ahole a whole new meaning.

[Johnny Stew]

A new Fleetwood Mac album is the last thing I want. Unless Christine is part of it!

I'm in complete agreement. Christine's presence is sorely lacking in the band dynamic. I really hope this comes to fruition. And I really, really hope egos and "business things" don't get in the way.

Meanwhile, I'm also thrilled to hear her speaking so optimistically regarding John's health and prognosis.

[Nicks Fan]

Yes !!!! I hope they do a new CD first and then tour as they could really milk the new CD and then the tour. Tickets will hopefully not be as expensive as Eagles or Stones Ticket prices. I presume they would all welcome her back. I just hope they do it soon as they are all getting on in age.

[mottabam]

I really hope the 5 can get back together for another LP and Tour. If it is all true and she does rejoin it would make a very happy 2014 for me. First of all though I hope John makes a speedy recovery.

[aleuzzi]

It really does not matter what Christine wants...It's what Stevie and Lindsey want and if they don't want her back then it's not going to happen...Right now "Buckingham/Nicks" IS Fleetwood Mac are they going to give that up?

In a heartbeat.

Lindsey has said he would love her to come back. The article's mention of his discomfort with her return is out of context. That relates purely to the London shows, not to a full-time return.

And I don't know of too many fans who would prefer her not to be there.

[aleuzzi]

The last thing Lindsey actually said was that he would be shocked if she wanted anything to do with FMac again. "Shocked and pleased.

Precisely.

[michelej1]

Exciting news!! Its great to hear what Christine has to say about her recent appearance with the band, and possibilities of the future. And more positive news about John. :thumbsup:

Yes, I'm thrilled it was a good experience for her. I don't think The Dance was and it sounds like she was really happy those two nights. It felt like old times to me and from her side of the stage it did as well. It makes me feel really good.

Also, there's no point in her joining if they aren't going to do an album, so I think when she spoke she had that in mind and that ... even though she indicates that nothing is in the works yet, I think they HAVE all discussed this. Maybe not all 5 of them together, but I think they have discussed it in pairings among them. I don't think she was just expressing hopes. I suspect there are tentative plans. I feel confident about an album and I am "so excited."

Michele

[michelej1]

The last thing Lindsey actually said was that he would be shocked if she wanted anything to do with FMac again. "Shocked and pleased.

You're making me moan here and it's unseemly, given my surroundings. Tantalized.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

You're making me moan here and it's unseemly, given my surroundings. Tantalized.

Michele

Moan Songbird!!

[Ulpian]

Yes, I'm thrilled it was a good experience for her. I don't think The Dance was and it sounds like she was really happy those two nights. It felt like old times to me and from her side of the stage it did as well. It makes me feel really good.

Also, there's no point in her joining if they aren't going to do an album, so I think when she spoke she had that in mind and that ... even though she indicates that nothing is in the works yet, I think they HAVE all discussed this. Maybe not all 5 of them together, but I think they have discussed it in pairings among them. I don't think she was just expressing hopes. I suspect there are tentative plans. I feel confident about an album and I am "so excited."

Michele

Yes, her songs which Ken Bruce asked her about may in fact be tracks on a potential FM album. Maybe she was cagey about it when asked because she had spoken to Mick or Stevie and knew it was a possibility. :shocked:

[applebucked]

This is the happiest news I've ever read today. I'm not hopping on the "Lindsey is a dick" train this time because she wants to join full time.

[elle]

Here's the article!

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/nov/22/christine-mcvie-wants-to-rejoin-fleetwood-mac

nice! and not in the least bit surprising for anybody who was following FM in 2013. :nod:

however - another several years of Big Machine????? :eek: :eek: i can see the tour-album-tour pattern here... when will we get Lindsey solo back?? he's not getting any younger.

on the other hand, if we have to endure another cash-grabbing FM tour, Christine's presence and harmonies would make it a bit easier for this LB fan. much better than another BN same-ole same-ole tour.


"However, recent reports suggest guitarist Buckingham is worried her appearance could steal the limelight. McVie said this was "fair enough. From his point of view, it was a business thing. [Promoters] would be asking why I wasn't playing in Amsterdam or Berlin.""

so if the above is true Lindsey wanted Christine to come back full time and not just part time ("she can't just come and go" ;) ). seems like he's getting his wish. another several years of Big Machine. you got it Lindsey, you'll be getting your tours and your FM album, it seems. so as a solo fan, and as a person who does not like to go bankrupt :eek:, this is what i have to say to you Lindsey: :p:p:p:p:p

[elle]

This is freaking great! I hope there is no 2014 tour and just studio time for the band. John will still be recovering, so it'd make sense for him to ease into working again by hitting the studio for a few months than to be thrown straight into another tour.

it's 2013! (soon to be 2014!) why would they need to be in the studio for a year? :confused:

men of mac needed less than a month to record 8 songs. stevie and lindsey needed 4 days to finish 2 of those songs and record another whole song.

they need to finish an album and a tour in 2014.

[jbrownsjr]

it's 2013! (soon to be 2014!) why would they need to be in the studio for a year? :confused:

men of mac needed less than a month to record 8 songs. stevie and lindsey needed 4 days to finish 2 of those songs and record another whole song.

they need to finish an album and a tour in 2014.

I would love a Buckingham/McVie album.

[Phil]

...the irony being that Lindsey may have been plotting all along to get Christine back with these stipulations. Give the poor guy a break.

[elle]

OR...

Lindsey said that he cut eight songs with Mick and John. Three of those were released on EP, which leaves five finished unreleased songs. We also know that Christine has been working some new material, supposedly for a new solo album. All that's needed is for Stevie to go through some of her older songs that have never been officially recorded. If they continue to use Mitchell Froom, the album could be done before they hit the road and be released while on the road.

now there's a voice of reason.

agree with your whole writeup, except, Christine never said her new material is for a solo album. she seemed surprised when someone suggested solo album, in fact.

[SteveMacD]

now there's a voice of reason.

agree with your whole writeup, except, Christine never said her new material is for a solo album. she seemed surprised when someone suggested solo album, in fact.

Hmmm. I was just referring to this post from the Christine board.


http://www.fleetwoodmacnews.com/2013/09/christine-is-currently-working-on-new.html


Former Fleetwood Mac band member Christine McVie working on new solo album marking a return to her 70's sound.

Former Fleetwood Mac band member Christine McVie chooses the Tracks of My Years
Monday 07 October 2013
BBC Radio 2 - Ken Bruce

This week, former Fleetwood Mac band member Christine McVie chooses the Tracks Of My Years and she opens with a classic Beach Boys song from their groundbreaking album Pet Sounds along with a Steely Dan track featured on their acclaimed long player Gaucho. Plus there's the Record and Album Of The Week and the Monday round of PopMaster. Christine McVie joined Fleetwood Mac in 1970 while married to founder member John McVie. She left the band in 1998 shortly after Fleetwood Mac was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Christine is currently working on new solo material which is planned for a forthcoming album which she describes as marking a return to her musical sound from the seventies.

Tune in to BBC Radio 2 - Ken Bruce 9:30am
Posted by Nickslive at 9/30/2013 11:19:00 pm
Labels: Christine McVie

[elle]

Hmmm. I was just referring to this post from the Christine board.

yeah that writeup is misinterpreting what she actually said. we heard that radio interview article is describing (links are at nickslive blogspot somewhere), and she was specifically asked whether her new material is for a solo album by the interviewer. she seemed surprised, and said something like - well... maybe?

[Stormwind]

Wow...awesome article.
Another album and another tour with the whole band would be amazing. I don't believe that Lindsey is against her return, a misunderstanding for sure. It would be contradictory.

[michelej1]

they need to finish an album and a tour in 2014.

Finish an album and a tour all in 2014?

No. 2014 and 2015, thank you.

Michele

[Deeshere]

however - another several years of Big Machine????? :eek: :eek: i can see the tour-album-tour pattern here... when will we get Lindsey solo back?? he's not getting any younger.

I agree with you elle he's not getting any younger, but the way it's looking it maybe a long time before we get a new Buckingham solo cd again, if ever. First Mick said Lindsey said wanted to make himself available to complete their story. Then there's still 5 unreleased songs we know of and Lindsey's been pushing for a new Fleetwood Mac CD for the last few years. Also, he and Stevie seem to be closer than ever to finally putting Buckingham Nicks out on CD, and then do some touring to back it up. So as much as I would love some new solo material I just don't' see it happening anytime soon.

Also It seems like this interview may have been done in September when the band was in England because it says The Guardian talked to Chris and Stevie together and their interview will be published later this year.

I do find it kinda odd that Chris has said no one's talked to her about re-joining the band. I mean I know John's gotta get well first, but everyone keeps saying his cancer was caught early and that he should have a fairly quick recovery, so it seems like they could or should have discussed it hypothetically when they were all together.

But then maybe they have discussed it since this interview took place. Because it sounds like Chris did the interview with Stevie sitting next to her, and maybe she told the interviewer she wanted to rejoin Fleetwood Mac so Stevie would know she was ready to come back and the two of them could have discussed her rejoining the band (and maybe even discussed it with the rest of the band) after they were done with the interview.

[SteveMacD]

Mick: "But if she ever decides not to hang it up, she'd always be welcome."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVBC6G7CjdI

[Deeshere]

Mick: "But if she ever decides not to hang it up, she'd always be welcome."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVBC6G7CjdI

Oh, there's NO doubt that Mick would over the moon about Christine coming back. He'd be calling promoters up for booking and taking out full page adds in the paper to announce her return the next day.

[I'msoAfraid95]

Oh, there's NO doubt that Mick would over the moon about Christine coming back. He'd be calling promoters up for booking and taking out full page adds in the paper to announce her return the next day.

Mick might be able to keep it a secret for an hour. Stevie, maybe 2 hours. :lol:

[wheart]

I think I'm still in a bit of shock over this. It shouldn't be that surprising but the fact that she's admitting for the first time that she wants to be back in the band is shocking! I though she was done and maybe she was just a little bored, hence the London gigs. Wow. When Lindsey said on stage FM has more chapters to write, he wasn't kidding. I think everyone, including Lindsey, would be thrilled to have her back.

[SteveMacD]

Mick might be able to keep it a secret for an hour. Stevie, maybe 2 hours. :lol:
Sheryl Crow only lasted two minutes, and was still on her cell phone talking to Stevie at the time...

[WatchChain]

On a side note, it would be really cool if they spent next year working on a new album and then release it and do a 40th Anniversary tour of this lineup in 2015 :]

NEW ALBUM FROM THE BAND IN late 2014----The first new STUDIO album from the Rumours lineup in 27 years.

2015 40th Anniversary Tour (Rumours lineup). This could also be billed as a FAREWELL TOUR, if they want to make a ton of cashola.

[J.Miller]

I have never seen the whole Rumours lineup together live.I never ever thought this would even have a chance to happen. Fingers crossed.

[I'msoAfraid95]

Sheryl Crow only lasted two minutes, and was still on her cell phone talking to Stevie at the time...

Well, can you blame her?

[SteveMacD]

NEW ALBUM FROM THE BAND IN late 2014----The first new STUDIO album from the Rumours lineup in 27 years.

2015 40th Anniversary Tour (Rumours lineup). This could also be billed as a FAREWELL TOUR, if they want to make a ton of cashola.
Why do that when 2017 would be Fleetwood Mac's 50th? Actually, why do a farewell tour at all? Any tour they do will make a ton of cash.

[I'msoAfraid95]

NEW ALBUM FROM THE BAND IN late 2014----The first new STUDIO album from the Rumours lineup in 27 years.

2015 40th Anniversary Tour (Rumours lineup). This could also be billed as a FAREWELL TOUR, if they want to make a ton of cashola.

The Headline on the poster

Suspenseful band finally reunites.

[michelej1]

I always thought that Christine wanted to record with them. I've thought that since SYW, but I never thought that she would want to tour again or sound excited the way she does in the Guardian comments. So, that's a surprise.

Michele

[Deeshere]

Why do that when 2017 would be Fleetwood Mac's 50th? Actually, why do a farewell tour at all? Any tour they do will make a ton of cash.

I don't think FM will ever do a farewell tour. They've said they plan on touring till one of them dies and since you never know when that might be, you can never plan a Farewell Tour. :shrug:

[secondhandchain]

I'm so happy at the prospect. What's not to love for LIndsey and Stevie? They are getting older and wouldn't have to sing lead on as many songs. Much easier for them this way.

[SteveMacD]

I'm so happy at the prospect. What's not to love for LIndsey and Stevie? They are getting older and wouldn't have to sing lead on as many songs. Much easier for them this way.
Lindsey seems a little ambiguous about it in the interviews he's given. This interview (http://kearth101.cbslocal.com/2012/12/04/lindsey-buckingham-on-christine-mcvie-she-didnt-have-to-burn-as-many-bridges-as-she-did/) is probably the best example.

“Well, that’s a good question! It’s an odd thing for me, in many ways I’m having a better time in the band as a foursome, only because it opens up a range of things that I can do. Except for maybe ‘Don’t Stop,’ we don’t do a lot of her stuff. It opens up the amount of material we can play, it allows me to be more of a ‘guy,’ to be more of who I am up there,” he explains, saying that without a keyboardist in the band, his guitar takes center stage.” I would be shocked if she ever expressed any interest to do anything with us. Shocked and pleased.”

My HUNCH is having an enthusiastic Christine back would help his big wish for the band, which can be found in this interview (http://www.hitfix.com/news/fleetwood-macs-lindsey-buckingham-on-stevie-nicks-and-the-wait-for-a-new-album/2) come true.

"If it were up to me, what I would do is go into the studio with Fleetwood Mac and actually finish an album and put out a whole album. Maybe look at stringing not a whole year, but a big chunk of time behind that [to tour] and do something that we have not done in years and years, which is string a few experiences together without these long breaks. "

[APerfectLie]

it's 2013! (soon to be 2014!) why would they need to be in the studio for a year? :confused:

men of mac needed less than a month to record 8 songs. stevie and lindsey needed 4 days to finish 2 of those songs and record another whole song.

they need to finish an album and a tour in 2014.

Hahaha, don't get me wrong, the sooner the better! I would love love love love them to release an album in 2014 AND begin a tour. However, this is Fleetwood Mac we are talking about! If the Rumours five are rejoining and making their first album together since 1987, they are going to require it to be PERFECT. Fleetwood Mac has not hurried to record an album since 1975 and I don't see them doing it now, but we can keep our fingers crossed! :]

[Johnny Stew]

Fleetwood Mac has not hurried to record an album since 1975 and I don't see them doing it now, but we can keep our fingers crossed! :]

I wonder if John's health scare would light a fire under them to work a little faster. Shake them out of their complacency a little.

[SteveMacD]

Hahaha, don't get me wrong, the sooner the better! I would love love love love them to release an album in 2014 AND begin a tour. However, this is Fleetwood Mac we are talking about! If the Rumours five are rejoining and making their first album together since 1987, they are going to require it to be PERFECT. Fleetwood Mac has not hurried to record an album since 1975 and I don't see them doing it now, but we can keep our fingers crossed! :]
They're very different people in very different times. With technology, sobriety, maturity, and an outside producer who can keep them focused, it could easily be done in a month or two.

[SteveMacD]

Hey, do we owe Steven Tyler a thank you card?

[michelej1]

Hey, do we owe Steven Tyler a thank you card?

No. We owe Mick. She was going to do it anyway, no matter who made the call Steven Tyler, Rick Vito or me. Mick got her primed.

Michele

[iamnotafraid]

Just wondering if Christine would make
any difference financially?

If the split is now...

30% - Lindsey
30% - Stevie
20% - Mick
20% - John

And then...

25% - Lindsey
25% - Stevie
25% - Christine
12.5% - Mick
12.5% - John

Someone run the numbers.
Where's my pie graph charts Mr. Dyess?

The new album sales wouldn't offset the loss
percentage wise to Lindsey and Stevie from
touring. Unless of course Christine got them
to tour more dates with her than they would
without her.

[MoonSister75]

I just felt that I had to reiterate my excitement about this news :blob1::]:blob2:

[michelej1]

The new album sales wouldn't offset the loss percentage wise to Lindsey and Stevie from
touring. Unless of course Christine got them
to tour more dates with her than they would
without her.

What about DVD sales? They are sure to release a DVD commemorating Christine's return. If they can sell the broadcast to some cable channel, maybe they can make money off of that first. And then put out a dvd of the show. Then, tour, like they did with The Dance.

The whole "first time in 16 years angle" gives them a new way to promote it and maybe will give big boys like Live Nation more interest in throwing new money at them.

Michele

[seanthompson]

In my heart, I always felt she would return; so profoundly happy!!! :angel:

[jbrownsjr]

Well here it is folks.. Think of it this way.. If the promoters are pissed that Christine isn't doing Amsterdam and Berlin.. then that's because........

Having Christine in the mix.. makes a very different ticket price.. and a very different marketing product. And the truth of the matter is, the Rumours line up is not only a cash cow, but it has that magic creatively.

Face it.. FMac with just Buckingham/Nicks is tired..

I would rather just get solo from LB and SN.

(I know a lot of people like B/N and buy it over and over again.) But from an artistic view, it's tired in my opinion and doesn't sound good at all. If you don't believe me.. listen to, "Don't Stop" London without Christine... then listen to it 9/25/13 with her. It's unreal how having the 5 fireflies together, (even for a moment) brings the magic out...
Her keys were so bluesy and she even had a terse little solo in there. The the band came to life again for me. Plus, I haven't seen Stevie that happy in a long time with the band. Mick too actually..

Bottom line... It can only help them musically and financially to have all 5 of them up there again recording and performing. I'm with Elle on this one. No more B/N!! it's awful. give me solo instead, unless you come back as 5.

[MikeInNV]

Just wondering if Christine would make
any difference financially?

If the split is now...

30% - Lindsey
30% - Stevie
20% - Mick
20% - John

And then...

25% - Lindsey
25% - Stevie
25% - Christine
12.5% - Mick
12.5% - John

Someone run the numbers.
Where's my pie graph charts Mr. Dyess?

The new album sales wouldn't offset the loss
percentage wise to Lindsey and Stevie from
touring. Unless of course Christine got them
to tour more dates with her than they would
without her.

I thought the current split was

40% - Stevie
30% - Lindsey
15% - Mick
15% - John

If so, then the new split of

25% - Stevie
25% - Lindsey
25% - Christine
12.5% - Mick
12.5% - John

doesn't make a big dent in the paychecks of anyone other than Stevie. However, I'm on the fence about how much more they can actually make with Christine in the mix. Ticket prices are already very high, so is attendance, and there are a lot of casual fans who just know that Fleetwood Mac is a legendary band with a lot of great songs; they aren't necessarily tuned in to specific personnel line-ups.

[BlueDenimLamp]

I thought the current split was

40% - Stevie
30% - Lindsey
15% - Mick
15% - John

If so, then the new split of

25% - Stevie
25% - Lindsey
25% - Christine
12.5% - Mick
12.5% - John

doesn't make a big dent in the paychecks of anyone other than Stevie. However, I'm on the fence about how much more they can actually make with Christine in the mix. Ticket prices are already very high, so is attendance, and there are a lot of casual fans who just know that Fleetwood Mac is a legendary band with a lot of great songs; they aren't necessarily tuned in to specific personnel line-ups.

Why does Stevie have to take a 37.5% pay cut while Lindsey only takes a 17% cut and using those figures she suffers the most...

[Johnny Stew]

Why does Stevie have to take a 37.5% pay cut while Lindsey only takes a 17% cut and using those figures she suffers the most...

I'm willing to bet that Stevie would happily take a 37.5% pay cut, if it meant having her friend back in the band.

[HomerMcvie]

But would her agent, and personal management team?

[elle]

Finish an album and a tour all in 2014?

No. 2014 and 2015, thank you.

Michele

yeah... first half of 2014, in fact. :p

i got it all planned for them:

feb-mar: AUS/NZ make-up dates
jun: glasto
june-july: 10-12 eu dates (italy, spain, poland, etc)
get the album out some time while on tour (may would work for me :D)

sept-nov: OMS2 :]

i can dream.........

[nicepace]

The best thing in this article is the news that John's prognosis is good, and it looks like he will beat the cancer.

[elle]

I thought the current split was

40% - Stevie
30% - Lindsey
15% - Mick
15% - John

If so, then the new split of

25% - Stevie
25% - Lindsey
25% - Christine
12.5% - Mick
12.5% - John

:lol: never gonna happen. woman's gotta whole slew of hangers-on to feed and trudge around the world. plus she's the diva in that band. i don't see her ever accepting to be equal to others anymore, regardless of the amount of weight she's pulling. and frankly, others know it so i don't see them even trying to suggest that kind of split. plus she can always go open for Rod Stewart again, and make the same kind of money for less effort albeit much less worship from the audience.

[michelej1]

yeah... first half of 2014, in fact. :p

i got it all planned for them:

feb-mar: AUS/NZ make-up dates
jun: glasto
june-july: 10-12 eu dates (italy, spain, poland, etc)
get the album out some time while on tour (may would work for me :D)

sept-nov: OMS2 :]

i can dream.........


Ok. Let me look at my agenda. And this is not what I want, it's just what I think. Although, I don't want you to have OMS2 until 2016, that much is true.

Make up dates for the rest of this tour this year. But those take place from June through the end of the year. They don't start early 2014 year. The tour this year doesn't include Christine, although I think that Mick might want her to play Glastonbury. So, maybe. Then, they work on the album this year as well. Then they tour as five in 2015.

Michele

[jkmaletic]

:lol: never gonna happen. woman's gotta whole slew of hangers-on to feed and trudge around the world. plus she's the diva in that band. i don't see her ever accepting to be equal to others anymore, regardless of the amount of weight she's pulling. and frankly, others know it so i don't see them even trying to suggest that kind of split. plus she can always go open for Rod Stewart again, and make the same kind of money for less effort albeit much less worship from the audience.

...cuz we all know who loves audience worship the most. ;)

Jamie

[BlueDenimLamp]

:lol: never gonna happen. woman's gotta whole slew of hangers-on to feed and trudge around the world. plus she's the diva in that band. i don't see her ever accepting to be equal to others anymore, regardless of the amount of weight she's pulling. and frankly, others know it so i don't see them even trying to suggest that kind of split. plus she can always go open for Rod Stewart again, and make the same kind of money for less effort albeit much less worship from the audience.

NEW ALBUM FROM THE BAND IN late 2014----The first new STUDIO album from the Rumours lineup in 27 years.

2015 40th Anniversary Tour (Rumours lineup). This could also be billed as a FAREWELL TOUR, if they want to make a ton of cashola.

Why do that when 2017 would be Fleetwood Mac's 50th? Actually, why do a farewell tour at all? Any tour they do will make a ton of cash.

By the time the lawyers get done arguing over who gets paid what it probably will be FM's 50th. :eek::lol::eek::lol:

[michelej1]

The best thing in this article is the news that John's prognosis is good, and it looks like he will beat the cancer.

All I would say about John is that they have a party line and Christine knows the talking points and gave those talking points. The only new information we have about John is that he is undergoing treatment in Los Angeles, which I thought and hoped and am glad to have confirmed.

Based on their last concert appearances, I think they looked pretty happy, for the most part, so I believe them all that they expect him to be up and about soon -- even for Vegas.

But it's also clear that they have agreed upon what they are going to say to the press. Which is fine.

We heard them in that car that time, with Christine asking Mick what to say about Lindsey's epilepsy and Mick told her she couldn't say it was epilepsy and I think this is similar. They have discussed how to address the question and Christine said what John Mayall said.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

All I would say about John is that they have a party line and Christine knows the talking points and gave those talking points. The only new information we have about John is that he is undergoing treatment in Los Angeles, which I thought and hoped and am glad to have confirmed.

Based on their last concert appearances, I think they looked pretty happy, for the most part, so I believe them all that they expect him to be up and about soon -- even for Vegas.

But it's also clear that they have agreed upon what they are going to say to the press. Which is fine.

We heard them in that car that time, with Christine asking Mick what to say about Lindsey's epilepsy and Mick told her she couldn't say it was epilepsy and I think this is similar. They have discussed how to address the question and Christine said what John Mayall said.

Michele
Perhaps she's feeding the press about her return as well. She did the same thing with her London appearance. "If they have me, I'll perform."

[michelej1]

Perhaps she's feeding the press about her return as well. She did the same thing with her London appearance. "If they have me, I'll perform."

I think so. And remember with that, Mick had already said that she'd probably do something and she just confirmed it. So, I take her comments about rejoining the band as more of a confirmation than a hope for a request that will "delight" her.

But yes, by putting it in the press, it's something that they will ask you about forever if it does not happen and something that will generate publicity if it does. So, no way was it an innocent, offhand comment. This was a great way to start the public relations ball rolling on that subject.

It's the same thing Mick and Lindsey have done earlier this year with their comments to the press. It's like a backdoor way to make things happen within FM.

Michele

[Johnny Stew]

But would her agent, and personal management team?

That's a very good question, David. Her team probably wouldn't be pleased, but ultimately, they work for her. So if she's fine with a pay cut, they'd have to go along with it.

:lol: never gonna happen. woman's gotta whole slew of hangers-on to feed and trudge around the world. plus she's the diva in that band. i don't see her ever accepting to be equal to others anymore, regardless of the amount of weight she's pulling.

I'd never claim that Stevie is ego-less -- that'd be ridiculous. But I don't think she has quite the ego you suspect she has, Elle. I believe it's unlikely that she'd make any kind of money demands that could potentially prevent Christine's involvement. Most especially since it's something she's been hoping for since the day Christine left

[michelej1]

I think Stevie has a massive ego, but I also think Elle answered her own question. Stevie can easily make up any money she loses via solo touring, so I don't see the FM split as a concern for Stevie at all.

Lindsey might not make as much as he does w/o Christine there, but If they tour after 2014 and make an album, that's something extra that he never would have gotten w/o Christine anyway.

Michele

[Johnny Stew]

I think Stevie has a massive ego, but I also think Elle answered her own question. Stevie can easily make up any money she loses via solo touring, so I don't see the FM split as a concern for Stevie at all.

I don't want to derail this thread, so this will have to be a conversation for another day... but I don't think Stevie has a "massive ego" in these regards. She certainly can exhibit quite an inflated sense of her own importance (but I think most people who've been famous for nearly 40 years, share that quality), but no one else in the band (except maybe Mick) ever seems as genuinely thrilled to share a stage with someone else, as Stevie does. Whether it's someone as hugely famous as Tom Petty or a semi-celeb like Vanessa Carlton.

Beyond that, I do agree with you that Stevie would and could make up for any "losses" via her solo work.

[michelej1]

I don't want to derail this thread, so this will have to be a conversation for another day... but I don't think Stevie has a "massive ego" in these regards.

I agree that Stevie is eager to share the stage with Christine and certainly loved her Tom Petty cameos. She worships Petty. She can also be a very generous person, but I think she has a massive ego. I don't think one thing discounts the other.

So no I don"t agree with you that Elle miscalculated the size of Stevie's ego. I just think she is wrong about Stevie being concerned with a lesser split for adding Chris. Stevie has other ways to make money outside of FM.

I am sure you and I don't agree about the size or nature of Lindsey's ego either. Michele

[I'msoAfraid95]

I agree that Stevie is eager to share the stage with Christine and certainly loved her Tom Petty cameos. She worships Petty. She can also be a very generous person, but I think she has a massive ego. I don't think one thing discounts the other.

So no I don"t agree with you that Elle miscalculated the size of Stevie's ego. I just think she is wrong about Stevie being concerned with a lesser split for adding Chris. Stevie has other ways to make money outside of FM.

I am sure you and I don't agree about the size or nature of Lindsey's ego either. Michele

Lindsey, Stevie, and Mick all have bigger egos than Chris or John. I'm not saying that they're not nice, loving, or generous, but they can think highly of themselves. I think that Stevie would be willing to take a pay cut to have Chris back.

[vivfox]

Just wondering if Christine would make
any difference financially? If the split is now...
30% - Lindsey
30% - Stevie
20% - Mick
20% - John
And then...
25% - Lindsey
25% - Stevie
25% - Christine
12.5% - Mick
12.5% - John
Someone run the numbers.
Where's my pie graph charts Mr. Dyess? The new album sales wouldn't offset the loss
percentage wise to Lindsey and Stevie from
touring. Unless of course Christine got them
to tour more dates with her than they would
without her.

Look what you've done.:eek: You created a monster.:lol:You made up these numbers out of thin air and cause a conversation based on nothing to back your numerical facts up.

I thought the current split was
40% - Stevie
30% - Lindsey
15% - Mick
15% - John
If so, then the new split of
25% - Stevie
25% - Lindsey
25% - Christine
12.5% - Mick
12.5% - John
doesn't make a big dent in the paychecks of anyone other than Stevie. However, I'm on the fence about how much more they can actually make with Christine in the mix.

Again, you are basing these numbers off the original post which is based purely on theory.
Why does Stevie have to take a 37.5% pay cut while Lindsey only takes a 17% cut and using those figures she suffers the most...

She doesn't. IMHO the band sets up a certain amount of dates to earn a certain amount of money to accomodate all 5 of their needs. Extra dates are added if they want to earn more money because expenses were higher than planned or they just add dates for the pure enjoyment of playing to a live audience.:p

I'm willing to bet that Stevie would happily take a 37.5% pay cut, if it meant having her friend back in the band.


But would her agent, and personal management team?

They probably get a percentage based on the net intake anyway.


That's a very good question, David. Her team probably wouldn't be pleased, but ultimately, they work for her. So if she's fine with a pay cut, they'd have to go along with it.



Beyond that, I do agree with you that Stevie would and could make up for any "losses" via her solo work.

I bet she makes better money working with Fleetwood Mac. A couple of years ago when Mick was trying to make Stevie feel guilty for not touring with the Mac, he stated that she could make a heck of a lot more money with FM in less time than it would take to perform as a solo act.

[wheart]

this thread tickles me

[I'msoAfraid95]

They should have equal percents, 20% each. Hell will freeze over before that happens, though.

[Deeshere]

I believe Stevie said in an interview not too long ago that at this point in her life she did not need the money and that for her going back to Fleetwood Mac fills an emotional need in her because they are all team. So I don't think Stevie will have any problems with Christine rejoining the group. As to her management team, Stevie's fired her manager before and she very well could do it again if this is something she really wants.

The argument that the band let Lindsey come back, so they should let Christine come back, doesn't seem like a viable argument to me either. It's like comparing apples to oranges. When Lindsey came back the band had completely broken up. There was NO Fleetwood Mac at that time and after Lindsey left in 87 the band pretty much fell apart. The band has been intact with just these 4 members since about 2002 and their popularity is continuing to increase. Whether it's because they are riding a wave of popularity from college kids or something else I don't know, but they have become very popular again in the last 3-4 years without Christine.

I don't want to start up any Lindsey bashing because he very well could welcome Christine back with open arms. However, I have always thought and still do that (as much as I love him) any problems with Christine rejoining the band will come from Lindsey.

Lindsey will take a hit financially if Christine rejoins. Though like Stevie he can make some of his losses up with his solo work even thought it's not as profitable for him as it is for her.

But money aside, Lindsey has never appeared to be money driven like some of the other band members, and I think he would be willing to take a decrease in the profits if necessary. What Lindsey has always cared about was making the best music possible. Many fans say that artistically adding Christine to the band only make since musically because her voice adds another layer to the bands sound and of the 3 her songs are the most successful commercially and I agree with that.

But it's hard to tell if Lindsey agrees with that or not. Maybe he was upset Christine left the band. Maybe he was mad when he said he enjoyed the dynamics of the band better with just the 4 members and maybe when he said Christine couldn't just come and go he was just trying to pin her down and not let her overshadow the band. Who knows :shrug:

Also, (I believe) all of those quotes were made before the band knew John had cancer. I think John's cancer diagnosis has made the band members look at the fact that nothing last forever (like Lindsey said in his "Say Goodbye" dedication to Stevie) and that hopefully has made them kinder to each other. Hopefully, it has also made Stevie realize that she may not have a lot more time to create new music with the band and if they are going to make a new CD they need to get it going as soon as possible.

[BlueDenimLamp]

A couple of years ago when Mick was trying to make Stevie feel guilty for not touring with the Mac, he stated that she could make a heck of a lot more money with FM in less time than it would take to perform as a solo act.

And how well did that work out for Mick???:lol:

Mick did the same thing back in 2009 when he started making plans for 2010but then Stevie told him the way it was going to be and took 3 yes THREE years off...

I'm not saying Stevie will do that again but if she's planning on making another record he may not be able to change her mind...

Stevie is well aware that she's nearing the end of the road and has said so...She specifically has mentioned the fact that she has to be careful what projects she chooses to spend her time on and doesn't know if she want's to spend 2 or 3 years on a full scale outing...

Perhaps she could compromise...If Lindsey already has songs "in the can" and Stevie decides to record a solo album is there any reason why she could not send Lindsey tracks for her songs for FM while she works on her thing...

If Stevie records in "the big house" again she wouldn't be far from Bucky's studio...

[BlueDenimLamp]

I believe Stevie said in an interview not too long ago that at this point in her life she did not need the money and that for her going back to Fleetwood Mac fills an emotional need in her because they are all team. So I don't think Stevie will have any problems with Christine rejoining the group. As to her management team, Stevie's fired her manager before and she very well could do it again if this is something she really wants.

The argument that the band let Lindsey come back, so they should let Christine come back, doesn't seem like a viable argument to me either. It's like comparing apples to oranges. When Lindsey came back the band had completely broken up. There was NO Fleetwood Mac at that time and after Lindsey left in 87 the band pretty much fell apart. The band has been intact with just these 4 members since about 2002 and their popularity is continuing to increase. Whether it's because they are riding a wave of popularity from college kids or something else I don't know, but they have become very popular again in the last 3-4 years without Christine.

I don't want to start up any Lindsey bashing because he very well could welcome Christine back with open arms. However, I have always thought and still do that (as much as I love him) any problems with Christine rejoining the band will come from Lindsey.

Lindsey will take a hit financially if Christine rejoins. Though like Stevie he can make some of his losses up with his solo work even thought it's not as profitable for him as it is for her.

But money aside, Lindsey has never appeared to be money driven like some of the other band members, and I think he would be willing to take a decrease in the profits if necessary. What Lindsey has always cared about was making the best music possible. Many fans say that artistically adding Christine to the band only make since musically because her voice adds another layer to the bands sound and of the 3 her songs are the most successful commercially and I agree with that.

But it's hard to tell if Lindsey agrees with that or not. Maybe he was upset Christine left the band. Maybe he was mad when he said he enjoyed the dynamics of the band better with just the 4 members and maybe when he said Christine couldn't just come and go he was just trying to pin her down and not let her overshadow the band. Who knows :shrug:

Also, (I believe) all of those quotes were made before the band knew John had cancer. I think John's cancer diagnosis has made the band members look at the fact that nothing last forever (like Lindsey said in his "Say Goodbye" dedication to Stevie) and that hopefully has made them kinder to each other. Hopefully, it has also made Stevie realize that she may not have a lot more time to create new music with the band and if they are going to make a new CD they need to get it going as soon as possible.

As for FM's recent surge in popularity look no further than Stevie Nicks...Stevie has been tirelessly promoting herself as well as FM since she started work on "IYD" and it paid off...

Stevie and Lindsey have both said it would be nice to go out the same way they came in and that is as Buckingham/Nicks...Stevie & Lindsey are going to have to make a decision here between Solo-Buckingham/Nicks or FM because I don't see all these things getting done...


It's possible Lindsey may not want Christine keeping him in check if you will...

Lindsey puts a lot of effort into his work so I don't think he wants anyone saying "Oh you had to bring Christine back in order to make a good record"

[GoldDustBoy]

I don't understand why Stevie is even being discussed as the obstacle for Christines return to FM, when its so obvious she honestly misses her very much. Why would she have a problem sharing the stage with Chris if she was willing to share it with Shery Crow during the SYW tour. She and Mick are the only members who even mention Christine during her absence. I'm sure that decades of enormous amounts of power, money and adoration have left them all with huge egos, but Chris is her equal, and a key ingredient in making FM what it is today - a cult band. She is also the only one of them that has a huge career outside of the band, therefore the least dependent of the money they make touring. If there is anyone who would be less then thrilled to see Chris back to the band it's Lindsey. Musically he was happy to fill the gap in the bands sound without a keyboard player. Financially he depends on the money he makes with FM almost as much as Mick and John, since his solo career wouldn't get him a job as an opening act for artists that were opening acts for Stevie. Finally, didn't Christine herself said she doesn't have any kind of relationship with him, and doesn't consider him a friend? And we all know he is a control freak to a degree where he would choose what Stevie could wear on stage. So beside all this, and Christine pointing him out in a recent interview, the problem is still Stevie. Funny...

What I do believe is happening is that Christine is on board at least for an album, and they are waiting for John to get well. I was worried how serious John's condition really was, but after Christine's announcement she might be joining the band again, I believe they really caught his cancer in an early stage. There's no way in hell they would let such news go public if his life was threatened.

[GoldDustBoy]

But money aside, Lindsey has never appeared to be money driven like some of the other band members, and I think he would be willing to take a decrease in the profits if necessary. What Lindsey has always cared about was making the best music possible. Many fans say that artistically adding Christine to the band only make since musically because her voice adds another layer to the bands sound and of the 3 her songs are the most successful commercially and I agree with that.


But unlike Stevie and Christine, he would surely like to financially secure the future of his three children.

Personally, I miss her playing way more. Her style really thickens the sound and makes it richer. I don't think they will ever have another monster hit in the future, no matter who writes the songs. It's more likely for an old song to be rediscovered by a new generation like Everywhere was after the pony commercial.

[BlueDenimLamp]

But unlike Stevie and Christine, he would surely like to financially secure the future of his three children.

Personally, I miss her playing way more. Her style really thickens the sound and makes it richer. I don't think they will ever have another monster hit in the future, no matter who writes the songs. It's more likely for an old song to be rediscovered by a new generation like Everywhere was after the pony commercial.

Pony commercial???

It was Stevie who had the monster Super bowl commercial with "Landslide"

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[SteveMacD]

As for FM's recent surge in popularity look no further than Stevie Nicks...Stevie has been tirelessly promoting herself as well as FM since she started work on "IYD" and it paid off...
Yes. Because when most people talk about Fleetwood Mac, they talk about IYD.

Stevie and Lindsey have both said it would be nice to go out the same way they came in and that is as Buckingham/Nicks...Stevie & Lindsey are going to have to make a decision here between Solo-Buckingham/Nicks or FM because I don't see all these things getting done...

It's possible Lindsey may not want Christine keeping him in check if you will...
Lindsey would TOTALLY rather do another Buckingham Nicks project over a Fleetwood Mac project with Christine McVie...Yep. He'd rather celebrate a band that got dropped over one of the greatest bands ever.

Lindsey puts a lot of effort into his work so I don't think he wants anyone saying "Oh you had to bring Christine back in order to make a good record"
More like he puts a lot of effort into his work, and he'd actually like it to get noticed. You know, the EXACT reason "Say You Will" (Fleetwood Mac) was released over the original "Gift Of Screws" (Lindsey solo).

[Deeshere]

More like he puts a lot of effort into his work, and he'd actually like it to get noticed. You know, the EXACT reason "Say You Will" (Fleetwood Mac) was released over the original "Gift Of Screws" (Lindsey solo).

This I think is partially true. If I remember correctly Lindsey did say that originally he was trying to get his solo work out and that he was hoping FM would drum up more interest in him so he could get WB to release it.

But then WB came back and agreed to release the CD provided he keep Mick on the drums and wanted to bill it with Lindsey and Mick doing promotions together. Lindsey however scrapped that idea because he was already talking to FM about touring and that was moving forward so he left his solo work behind, which he did NOT have to do.

[Deeshere]

Stevie and Lindsey have both said it would be nice to go out the same way they came in and that is as Buckingham/Nicks...Stevie & Lindsey are going to have to make a decision here between Solo-Buckingham/Nicks or FM because I don't see all these things getting done...

I though about this but I wasn't going to bring it up. Neither was going to bring up Micks comment that things were as they were suppose to be with Buckingham Nicks up front and Fleetwood Mac in the back.

But again, if Christine was willing to rejoin Mick would be the first one to welcome her back with open arms.

[GoldDustBoy]

Pony commercial???

It was Stevie who had the monster Super bowl commercial with "Landslide"

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No, I mean this commercial:

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It made Everywhere chart in the UK after 20 years at no. 15. No commercial with horses should be without Fleetwood Mac. :lol:

[aleuzzi]

Honestly, I don't think Lindsey is trying to block her return. He just wants her to be a full partner in the process. While I don't think that's necessary I do see why he feels it is. In truth, I think he'd be elated to work with her again. A lot of what seems like resistance to her presence is related to her two-off performances in London...a very specific case.

[wetcamelfood]

I recall after the Clinton deal Mick & Lindsey were on Larry King or Charlie Rose or one of those shows and whoever it was put Lindsey on the spot and said "are you coming back" and LB said "there's no reason not to" so I wish I knew if this Guardian reporter put Christine on the spot or not.

John

[elle]

Yes. Because when most people talk about Fleetwood Mac, they talk about IYD.


Lindsey would TOTALLY rather do another Buckingham Nicks project over a Fleetwood Mac project with Christine McVie...Yep. He'd rather celebrate a band that got dropped over one of the greatest bands ever.


More like he puts a lot of effort into his work, and he'd actually like it to get noticed. You know, the EXACT reason "Say You Will" (Fleetwood Mac) was released over the original "Gift Of Screws" (Lindsey solo).
:lol: i love you!! :thumbsup:

Honestly, I don't think Lindsey is trying to block her return. He just wants her to be a full partner in the process. While I don't think that's necessary I do see why he feels it is. In truth, I think he'd be elated to work with her again. A lot of what seems like resistance to her presence is related to her two-off performances in London...a very specific case.
another voice of reason! wow, what is happening with the ledge? i'm shocked and pleased. :nod: :D
although i don't really buy that he resisted her performing with them in London (or if he did, that would be for the 1st date - because of that idiotic reviews reason - not the other 2), since he said earlier in the year that he would 1) love it if she'd come on the stage and do a song with them, and 2) be shocked and pleased if she decides to come back to FM.

I recall after the Clinton deal Mick & Lindsey were on Larry King or Charlie Rose or one of those shows and whoever it was put Lindsey on the spot and said "are you coming back" and LB said "there's no reason not to" so I wish I knew if this Guardian reporter put Christine on the spot or not.

John
can you give a bit more details, i've never heard/read that and would love to? was that in 1993 or 1997? i would be surprised if he said in 1997, but i thought he was saying the opposite in 1993?

[michelej1]

Pony commercial???

It was Stevie who had the monster Super bowl commercial with "Landslide"

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Everywhere with a moonwalking pony was one of the most popular ads of the year in England. It put the single back on the charts. There's a thread about it in this forum.

Michele

[SteveMacD]

This I think is partially true. If I remember correctly Lindsey did say that originally he was trying to get his solo work out and that he was hoping FM would drum up more interest in him so he could get WB to release it.

But then WB came back and agreed to release the CD provided he keep Mick on the drums and wanted to bill it with Lindsey and Mick doing promotions together. Lindsey however scrapped that idea because he was already talking to FM about touring and that was moving forward so he left his solo work behind, which he did NOT have to do.
Not exactly. The original "Gift of Screws" is pretty much why Mick split up Fleetwood Mac in 1996. Mick and Lindsey reconnected towards the end of the recording of "Time" and Lindsey asked Mick to play on his album. All of that lead to "The Dance." After "The Dance," there was a changing of the guard at Warners, and Lindsey sat on the album for a few years, debating whether or not to release it as a solo album or as part of a Fleetwood Mac album (since Mick and the McVies were on it), and he decided it would be better received as part of a Fleetwood Mac project.

[michelej1]

Lindsey, Stevie, and Mick all have bigger egos than Chris or John. I'm not saying that they're not nice, loving, or generous, but they can think highly of themselves. I think that Stevie would be willing to take a pay cut to have Chris back.

Yes, when Stevie said she would give Christine $5,000,000 I think she might have been exaggerating just a little, but she'd give up a lot of profit herself to make that work one last time.

Michele

[SteveMacD]

Yes, when Stevie said she would give Christine $5,000,000 I think she might have been exaggerating just a little, but she'd give up a lot of profit herself to make that work one last time.
I wonder if it would be less actual dollars or just less of a percentage. Having Christine back would command a higher ticket price (how much, I don't know), so it's possible that Stevie would make the same with Christine than without. Either way, I'm sure she's not as concerned about the money as she is getting Christine back in the band at this point. Also, I wonder if it would be "one last time" or if there would be more.

[BlueDenimLamp]

Yes. Because when most people talk about Fleetwood Mac, they talk about IYD.

IYD is the record they should have made...Not that they should sound like Stevie Nicks but it would not hurt them to do something other than the "Buckingham/Rumours" sound...I'm quite sure John & Mick would be thrilled if LB would suggest they record a few blues numbers...What's the John quote? "Bloody hell we're supposed to be a blues band"

Lindsey would TOTALLY rather do another Buckingham Nicks project over a Fleetwood Mac project with Christine McVie...Yep. He'd rather celebrate a band that got dropped over one of the greatest bands ever.

Don't forget if it weren't for "Buckingham/Nicks" Fleetwood Mac would possibly be just a footnote in some "History of rock" story...

More like he puts a lot of effort into his work, and he'd actually like it to get noticed. You know, the EXACT reason "Say You Will" (Fleetwood Mac) was released over the original "Gift Of Screws" (Lindsey solo).

If LB want's to be noticed then he needs to put himself out there more because sitting around waiting for FM isn't working very well...

[michelej1]

Finally, didn't Christine herself said she doesn't have any kind of relationship with him, and doesn't consider him a friend? And we all know he is a control freak to a degree where he would choose what Stevie could wear on stage. So beside all this, and Christine pointing him out in a recent interview, the problem is still Stevie. Funny...


Christine didn't point Lindsey out in a recent interview. The interviewer asked her about him and she answered.

And while she said they weren't friends socially when he left in 1987, she also said she wanted to work with him again and said that she hoped they would. She didn't say that had no relationship, not since she left the group in 1998. I do recall that in about 2003 when asked if he'd been in touch with the band over the holidays Lindsey said something like he hadn't talked to Christine much since she left and had no real relationship with John outside of the band. And Christine also said she hadn't been in touch with Lindsey although she emailed and talked with the others at various times, John and Mick sometimes, Mick and Stevie at others. But there have also been years when she said she and Stevie hadn't been in touch and she and John hadn't been in touch.

As for Stevie's grandmother sweater, she says he asked her if she had to dress so flashy or something. She didn't say he told her to wear a granny sweater or otherwise selected her clothes and about 35 years ago she said that he didn't like the way she dressed because he didn't like all the men looking at her, but Stevie saying that Lindsey objected to an outfit is a far cry from proof that Lindsey is such a control freak that he wants to dictate what she wears on stage anymore than it is evidence that he has forbidden her from removing her mic from its stand. I say things to my friends and relatives all the time about their hair, clothes, what tv shows they should watch and movies they should see or shouldn't. I even told my mother she should have consulted with me about her cataract surgery just the other day. I am constantly telling them what they shouldn't do and what possessions of theirs I don't like, but they don't listen to me and I'm not dictating to them. I am stating an opinion to people I know will listen if they feel like or not, if they think I'm being an idiot.

Michele

[BlueDenimLamp]

Yes, when Stevie said she would give Christine $5,000,000 I think she might have been exaggerating just a little, but she'd give up a lot of profit herself to make that work one last time.

Michele

We can't be having Stevie giving away lots of money...Think of what that might mean... We don't want poor little Sulamith Wulfing wearing outfits from K-mart now do we...

[michelej1]

I wonder if it would be less actual dollars or just less of a percentage. Having Christine back would command a higher ticket price (how much, I don't know), so it's possible that Stevie would make the same with Christine than without. Either way, I'm sure she's not as concerned about the money as she is getting Christine back in the band at this point. Also, I wonder if it would be "one last time" or if there would be more.

I don't know. They might make less. I'm not sure that they could command a higher ticket price, because I don't think the average concert goer (not us) values her return that much. I don't know if the average concert knew she was gone. I don't think they would feel, "I wouldn't pay this extra $20 for a ticket, if it wasn't for Christine." Of course, WE say that, but we are the few, the proud, the Marines.

But if Christine doesn't return they won't be touring again until 2016 anyway. I'm not saying that there is any validity to Stevie's 3 year rule, but I do think Lindsey and Mick couldn't have gotten the band back together for another tour before that and Lindsey has wanted an album, but I don't know if he was making any headway in convincing Stevie. So, if he has less of a percentage with Christine, it's still MORE than he would have gotten without her return.

Michele

[michelej1]

Again, you are basing these numbers off the original post which is based purely on theory.


But about 10 years ago for SYW, didn't someone that people thought was "in the know" post a split that everyone believed at the time. And since then everyone has proceeded on the assumption that that was the split?

Michele

[WildHearted]

Fleetwood Mac's average ticket price ($103) was the highest of any tour this year second only to Beyonce.

How much higher could they possibly go?

[BlueDenimLamp]

Fleetwood Mac's average ticket price ($103) was the highest of any tour this year second only to Beyonce.

How much higher could they possibly go?

The question is even if Christine returns and they bill it as the last farewell tour will people pay the high ticket prices so soon after this years tour???

[BombaySapphire3]

The question is even if Christine returns and they bill it as the last farewell tour will people pay the high ticket prices so soon after this years tour???

I have been a fan since the 1970s and had seen them on every tour since Tusk .I sat out 2009 and 2013 though.If however Christine returns I'll pay whatever high ticket price comes up.I also believe that if she really wants to return she can.Stevie by all indications wants her back badly and it is totally within her character to issue an ultimatum like Christine either is allowed to rejoin or I leave too.Which would leave the band playing tiny venues for pocket change.

[SteveMacD]

IYD is the record they should have made...Not that they should sound like Stevie Nicks but it would not hurt them to do something other than the "Buckingham/Rumours" sound...I'm quite sure John & Mick would be thrilled if LB would suggest they record a few blues numbers...What's the John quote? "Bloody hell we're supposed to be a blues band"
Huh?

John said that in 1975, nearly 40 years ago, and they had long stopped being a blues band by THAT point. I suspect he's over it.

Don't forget if it weren't for "Buckingham/Nicks" Fleetwood Mac would possibly be just a footnote in some "History of rock" story...
Oh, don't kid yourself. Fleetwood Mac made twelve albums and even had a Greatest Hits album by the time those two joined the band. Buckingham Nicks had all of one album and got dropped. Fleetwood Mac NEVER got dropped.

If LB want's to be noticed then he needs to put himself out there more because sitting around waiting for FM isn't working very well...
What have you been smoking? He's released solo albums and has done a lot of solo touring. I'm saying that if he's going through the trouble of recording a group effort, he wants it to get noticed. Having Christine back will get that noticed.

[michelej1]

The question is even if Christine returns and they bill it as the last farewell tour will people pay the high ticket prices so soon after this years tour???

That's a problem. The only thing I can say is that they did not totally saturate the market this time around. They didn't hit all the stops they usually do in the U.S. so maybe 2015 would not be too soon, but yeah ....

Michele

[elle]

Fleetwood Mac's average ticket price ($103) was the highest of any tour this year second only to Beyonce.

How much higher could they possibly go?

the rolling stones??

bon jovi?

the eagles?

all higher or in the case of stones off the charts higher.

that said, other than the diehards i don't see how average concert going legends-before-they-die-watching people who don't even know who is in FM at any given time will pay much or any more with Christine. although with good advertising maybe... but when did FM had good PR lately?

[I'msoAfraid95]

Fleetwood Mac's average ticket price ($103) was the highest of any tour this year second only to Beyonce.

How much higher could they possibly go?

Well, let's see The Stones charged $115- $813 for tickets to their 50th anni. shows, and Fleetwood Mac are about as famous as they are, sooo.....

Edit: My proof:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jesse-lawrence/rolling-stones-50th-anniv_b_2040413.html

[michelej1]

What have you been smoking? He's released solo albums and has done a lot of solo touring. I'm saying that if he's going through the trouble of recording a group effort, he wants it to get noticed. Having Christine back will get that noticed.

Yes, it will give his stuff a bigger audience. Also, I'm a firm believer that when Christine is around, Lindsey is freer to make more esoteric music within FM. Lindsey doesn't have to be the one to write Sad Angel when Christine's around, just like Stevie doesn't have to write Say You Will.

I like both Say You Will and Sad Angel though. I'm just saying ... Christine has a job that kind of changes what their jobs are.


Michele

[I'msoAfraid95]

the rolling stones??

bon jovi?

the eagles?

all higher or in the case of stones off the charts higher.


I can see the Eagles doing that, but Bon Jovi are no where near as well known(or good, imo) as those other 2. How much are they charging?

[BombaySapphire3]

Well, let's see The Stones charged $115- $813 for tickets to their 50th anni. shows, and Fleetwood Mac are about as famous as they are, sooo.....

Edit: My proof:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jesse-lawrence/rolling-stones-50th-anniv_b_2040413.html

Fleetwood Mac are my favorite band but they are not as famous as the Rolling Stones..from a historical perspective the only band that may be as or more famous than the Stones are the Beatles.

[michelej1]

that said, other than the diehards i don't see how average concert going legends-before-they-die-watching people who don't even know who is in FM at any given time will pay much or any more with Christine. although with good advertising maybe... but when did FM had good PR lately?

The Dance hit harder than focused fans could have dreamed it would. But I don't know if that was PR or just the state the world was in at the time. And there was the Clinton bump too.

I guess lightening can't strike twice -- 15 years later and older.

Michele

[I'msoAfraid95]

Fleetwood Mac are my favorite band but they are not as famous as the Rolling Stones..from a historical perspective the only band that may be as or more famous than the Stones are the Beatles.


Which is why I put "about as famous". I'd say they're in the top 10 most well known rock bands, easily.

[elle]

That's a problem. The only thing I can say is that they did not totally saturate the market this time around. They didn't hit all the stops they usually do in the U.S. so maybe 2015 would not be too soon, but yeah ....

no they didn't. and the men of mac were planning as recent as the beginning of october adding another leg in the spring of 2014 as well as glasto and possibly more european dates. as far as the market goes, i could see another leg - but with Christine - more of a possibility than a separate tour in 2015, depending on how John's doing. but i guess if they have a new album out they would bill it is supporting that album.

in fact, they should have Christine with them in Vegas on 30th. those tickets are twice the price that their regular 2013 shows were anyway.

[WildHearted]

the rolling stones??

bon jovi?

the eagles?

all higher or in the case of stones off the charts higher.

Acording to pollstar, which is the company that records all of the concert and ticket data information, Fleetwood Mac's average ticket price was second highest for the past twelve months. Bon Jovi was 4th. http://www.pollstar.com/atpDetail.aspx?SearchBy=

[getTusked]

Are people thinking that they might actually have another leg of this tour in 2014? Depending on John? I just want to see what people think...I would LOVE for that to be true!! :lol:

[elle]

Acording to pollstar, which is the company that records all of the concert and ticket data information, Fleetwood Mac's average ticket price was second highest for the past twelve months. Bon Jovi was 4th. http://www.pollstar.com/atpDetail.aspx?SearchBy=

interesting - wonder how they count their "12 months"? stones didn't tour the whole year so maybe their 2-3 months of touring are averaged over 12 months. something similar with the eagles.

i'm lazy to look but there are several threads on this board listing average prices, tickets sold, and overall income made during this year.

when i looked up tickets for these bands i was stunned with the prices, and thought "who is buying those??". maybe the spread between highest and lowest available tix was much larger for the eagles and BJ than the mac? idk. (not talking about stones, their tickets were off the charts, i don't know that there is currently any other band or performer that can charge those prices.)

[elle]

Are people thinking that they might actually have another leg of this tour in 2014? Depending on John? I just want to see what people think...I would LOVE for that to be true!! :lol:

i know for sure Mick and Lindsey both wanted it. i was counting on Stevie to nix that. but now if Christine is in the picture, don't think Stevie would be an obstacle anymore, if John is up for it.

[GoldDustBoy]

I can see the Eagles doing that, but Bon Jovi are no where near as well known(or good, imo) as those other 2. How much are they charging?



Bon Jovi should not even be compared to those two bands. However, they are much bigger then the Eagles outside the US. They made a fantastic transition to younger audiences with their 2000 album Crush. Its My Life was an enormous hit all over Europe, and I remember they were easily able to fill 40000+ stadiums not so long ago. I dont know what their ticket prices are, but I doubt I would make an effort to see them live if I had a front row ticket for free.



Fleetwood Mac are my favorite band but they are not as famous as the Rolling Stones..from a historical perspective the only band that may be as or more famous than the Stones are the Beatles.



True. The Stones could perform in Sahara, and still gather tens of thousands of people.

[elle]

Acording to pollstar, which is the company that records all of the concert and ticket data information, Fleetwood Mac's average ticket price was second highest for the past twelve months. Bon Jovi was 4th. http://www.pollstar.com/atpDetail.aspx?SearchBy=

here is an old thread from earlier this year:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=52263&highlight=pollstar

the rolling stones average: $346.08

mac are listed as $111.75 average at that time. guess their ticket prices went down ;) ; they certainly were cheaper in continental europe, but pollstar records only north america.


that said, i agree with your point - they don't have much more space to go up, price-wise.

[BlueDenimLamp]

i know for sure Mick and Lindsey both wanted it. i was counting on Stevie to nix that. but now if Christine is in the picture, don't think Stevie would be an obstacle anymore, if John is up for it.

I'm sure if they tour again the promoters are going to want to know what the back up plan is incase John becomes ill again...I hope that's not the case but with cancer you never can be sure...

[SteveMacD]

The Dance hit harder than focused fans could have dreamed it would. But I don't know if that was PR or just the state the world was in at the time. And there was the Clinton bump too.
Well, Viacom (MTV), ClearChannel, Warner Bros., Ticketmaster, et.al. all had a lot invested in making that album a hit.

The Clinton thing hurt their image more than helped, IMO, and "The Dance" helped restore their image.

[I'msoAfraid95]

here is an old thread from earlier this year:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=52263&highlight=pollstar

the rolling stones average: $346.08

mac are listed as $111.75 average at that time. guess their ticket prices went down ;) ; they certainly were cheaper in continental europe, but pollstar records only north america.


that said, i agree with your point - they don't have much more space to go up, price-wise.

Who in their right mind would pay $346 to see 4 ugly men in their 70s play? I'm sorry, I know that the Stones are gods(without them, my favorite bands probably wouldn't exist), but still that's too much dough to fork over.

I wonder how much a meet and greet would cost? $25,000?

[louielouie2000]

Since this thread is supposed to be about Christine... what do we think SHE would want to do with Fleetwood Mac first? Tour? Record a Mac album? Or would she just be glad to be back in the saddle and not care? :shrug:

[I'msoAfraid95]

Since this thread is supposed to be about Christine... what do we think SHE would want to do with Fleetwood Mac first? Tour? Record a Mac album? Or would she just be glad to be back in the saddle and not care? :shrug:

I'd say an album because she has material already ready for a "solo" album(possibly :lol:).

[Phil]

With regard to Stevie's perceived ego, I never considered it to be out of control in the past, but these days it seems to be off the Richter scale. This realisation has been difficult for me to accept because previously, I idolised the woman. I still retain a profound regard for her body of work up until 1990 and various output since, but the sense of self-importance that has become so evident during interviews in recent years has left me cold. I'm not sure if this inflation of ego has been in response to what she considers the mistreatment and disrespect afforded to her in the past by band members, producers and critics, but whatever it might be, she is no longer a person I would care to know.

[michelej1]

Since this thread is supposed to be about Christine... what do we think SHE would want to do with Fleetwood Mac first? Tour? Record a Mac album? Or would she just be glad to be back in the saddle and not care? :shrug:

Well, both Mick and Christine have said that she's been writing songs. I think she would like to record first. Also, although I think Christine now accepts travel as a necessity, I can't imagine she's just itching to get back on the road ASAP. I think re-bonding with the people creatively in a studio for a few months and then planning a tour after would be the natural assimilation process and in keeping with what they have done in the past.

Michele

[BlueDenimLamp]

Since this thread is supposed to be about Christine... what do we think SHE would want to do with Fleetwood Mac first? Tour? Record a Mac album? Or would she just be glad to be back in the saddle and not care? :shrug:

Record first then tour...Get the songs done and if all is well tour...

[elle]

Since this thread is supposed to be about Christine... what do we think SHE would want to do with Fleetwood Mac first? Tour? Record a Mac album? Or would she just be glad to be back in the saddle and not care? :shrug:

maybe you should make a poll?

i'm thinking either record or happy to be back in the saddle.

[michelej1]

Well, Viacom (MTV), ClearChannel, Warner Bros., Ticketmaster, et.al. all had a lot invested in making that album a hit.

The Clinton thing hurt their image more than helped, IMO, and "The Dance" helped restore their image.

Hey, remember that they have signed that new, groundbreaking deal with Clear Channel. I don't understand really what it's for, but maybe it has to do with new material.

Michele

[SteveMacD]

Since this thread is supposed to be about Christine... what do we think SHE would want to do with Fleetwood Mac first? Tour? Record a Mac album? Or would she just be glad to be back in the saddle and not care? :shrug:
I suspect it's the last one. That being said, if I were her, I'd want to do a short tour with them again first to get back into the groove of being in the band, which would make for a stronger album. On that note, I'd hope they'd go right into the studio following the tour.

[michelej1]

I suspect it's the last one. That being said, if I were her, I'd want to tour with them again first to get back into the groove of being in the band, which would make for a stronger album. On that note, I'd hope they'd go right into the studio.

Lindsey said being on the road was 10 times crazier than being in the studio. Touring might get her back in the groove of everyone fighting again.

Michele

[BlueDenimLamp]

With regard to Stevie's perceived ego, I never considered it to be out of control in the past, but these days it seems to be off the Richter scale. This realisation has been difficult for me to accept because previously, I idolised the woman. I still retain a profound regard for her body of work up until 1990 and various output since, but the sense of self-importance that has become so evident during interviews in recent years has left me cold. I'm not sure if this inflation of ego has been in response to what she considers the mistreatment and disrespect afforded to her in the past by band members, producers and critics, but whatever it might be, she is no longer a person I would care to know.

Seriously you don't like Stevie's take charge attitude of the past couple of years...Because she's definitely on a roll...

[SteveMacD]

Lindsey said being on the road was 10 times crazier than being in the studio. Touring might get her back in the groove of everyone fighting again.
That's always the risk with them. I suspect they'd all be on their best behavior. I could be wrong, but I thought she was part of the band's entourage in Europe. I wonder how that went.

[Phil]

Please don't misunderstand me, I am impressed with Stevie's prolific output of late and what appears to be a renewed vigour regarding creativity, but I don't care for her persona. I believe she would have forgone this year's Mac tour and commenced another solo album with Dave if she'd followed her heart, but she seemingly bowed to the pressures of the band. However, I simply don't like the person she has become, as evidenced in the press and particularly what was on display during the In Your Dreams documentary. Horses for courses I guess...

[BlueDenimLamp]

Please don't misunderstand me, I am impressed with Stevie's prolific output of late and what appears to be a renewed vigour regarding creativity, but I don't care for her persona. I believe she would have forgone this year's Mac tour and commenced another solo album with Dave if she'd followed her heart, but she seemingly bowed to the pressures of the band. However, I simply don't like the person she has become, as evidenced in the press and particularly what was on display during the In Your Dreams documentary. Horses for courses I guess...

I think you might be right about Stevie's reluctance to tour with FM but I think a lot of people already had things rolling so she had to say yes...Besides FM toured before John became ill so all is good...

[louielouie2000]

Can we PLEASE let this one thread, just this ONE thread, not be about Stevie Nicks? This is about Christine McVie returning to Fleetwood Mac after nearly 17 years of absence. This is HUGE. We never thought it would happen. And it looks like it just might now. Can we keep it to that? Christine's return deserves better respect than this thread is giving her.

We should be talking about where Chris goes from here. Where would the band record a new album? LA? England Hawaii? Does this mean Chris might return to the US in some capacity? Would the band record an album or tour with her first? Was there a watershed event that could have happened in Chris life to precipitate her wanting to rejoin the band? What do we think Chris would have to say about an outside producer for a new album? Would she write songs from scratch for a new album, or would she simply modify the ones she's been recording for her solo album we've heard about? There are so, so many questions I have... and none of them have anything to do with Stevie freaking Nicks. :sorry:

[SteveMacD]

Can we PLEASE let this one thread, just this ONE thread, not be about Stevie Nicks? This is about Christine McVie returning to Fleetwood Mac after nearly 17 years of absence. This is HUGE. We never thought it would happen. And it looks like it just might now. Can we keep it to that? Christine's return deserves better respect than this thread is giving her.

We should be talking about where Chris goes from here. Where would the band record a new album? LA? England Hawaii? Does this mean Chris might return to the US in some capacity? Would the band record an album or tour with her first? Was there a watershed event that could have happened in Chris life to precipitate her wanting to rejoin the band? What do we think Chris would have to say about an outside producer for a new album? Would she write songs from scratch for a new album, or would she simply modify the ones she's been recording for her solo album we've heard about? There are so, so many questions I have... and none of them have anything to do with Stevie freaking Nicks. :sorry:
Hell, I want to talk about songs that could be added to the set-list, but I know that's way too early.

(BTW, I'd love for just Mick, John, and Christine to play the "O.K. Ken?" version of "Get Like You Used To Be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8F061LCJ4Q)" after the Stevie-Lindsey acoustic set to celebrate their histories with the British blues scene.)

[jcfree]

I would hope for a new album with Christine coming back to The Mac. Then a tour. New material with Christine I believe, would be phenomenal. Yes, NEW MAC SONGS PLEASE!!!

[GoldDustBoy]

Christine didn't point Lindsey out in a recent interview. The interviewer asked her about him and she answered.

And while she said they weren't friends socially when he left in 1987, she also said she wanted to work with him again and said that she hoped they would. She didn't say that had no relationship, not since she left the group in 1998. I do recall that in about 2003 when asked if he'd been in touch with the band over the holidays Lindsey said something like he hadn't talked to Christine much since she left and had no real relationship with John outside of the band. And Christine also said she hadn't been in touch with Lindsey although she emailed and talked with the others at various times, John and Mick sometimes, Mick and Stevie at others. But there have also been years when she said she and Stevie hadn't been in touch and she and John hadn't been in touch.

As for Stevie's grandmother sweater, she says he asked her if she had to dress so flashy or something. She didn't say he told her to wear a granny sweater or otherwise selected her clothes and about 35 years ago she said that he didn't like the way she dressed because he didn't like all the men looking at her, but Stevie saying that Lindsey objected to an outfit is a far cry from proof that Lindsey is such a control freak that he wants to dictate what she wears on stage anymore than it is evidence that he has forbidden her from removing her mic from its stand. I say things to my friends and relatives all the time about their hair, clothes, what tv shows they should watch and movies they should see or shouldn't. I even told my mother she should have consulted with me about her cataract surgery just the other day. I am constantly telling them what they shouldn't do and what possessions of theirs I don't like, but they don't listen to me and I'm not dictating to them. I am stating an opinion to people I know will listen if they feel like or not, if they think I'm being an idiot.

Michele


As I already said, I think Christine is already onboard for a project with FM, probably an album, without any other member of the band having issues with her rejoining. What I find ridiculous is how this thread turned into a debate over Stevie not wanting Christine back in the band based on speculations of who gets how much money from touring. Does anybody believe Stevie to be such a crazy hypocrite not to want Chris back in the band, but repeating to the public over and over for fifteen years she does? What I said in my previous post might have come out a bit wrong since I cant quote the things they say in interviews word to word, but its clear from various occasions that Lindsey and Chris are not that close as friends. And even if he didn't single handedly picked Stevies granny sweater for the SYW tour, he had a great influence on her toning it down. Stevie rarely badmouths anybody, even when the person deserves it, so there must be a good reason why she was so pissed off at him after the tour. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he against Christine performing more then one song during the London shows? All of us would be ecstatic if she was allowed just a couple more songs, and closed the two shows with Songbird? What should be more important to them, a lousy review in a paper focusing on Christines performance, or thrilling thousands of fans with a rare treat, who by the way pay for their extravagant lifestyles and give them so much love? Don't get me wrong. I ADORE Lindsey as a guitarist, love him as a producer and a singer (I realized he was that good when I saw them live, because the full color of his voice doesn't transfer to tape completely), and most of the time not as much as a songwriter. I would be an ungrateful idiot not to appreciate the unmeasurable amount of joy they all as a group have brought to my life since I was a teen through their art, and I repeat: I am sure they would all be glad to have Chris back, and its probably going to happen, but if there was an unspecified band member who didn't want her back for whatever reason, based on their attitude it would be Lindsey. Unlike him, there is not a single thing, no matter how small, that indicates it could be Stevie or Mick, and I don't think that John cares that much, as long as he gets to play. :lol: I consider myself to be realistic towards musicians I love. I would never praise a ****ty peace of music they have done as a masterpiece (and even the best of them have their moments), nor would I justify if they acted as jerks. What I find unnecessary is perpetuating fictional malicious stories about artists we all love, for whatever personal reason people have.

[Deeshere]

We should be talking about where Chris goes from here. Where would the band record a new album? LA? England Hawaii? Does this mean Chris might return to the US in some capacity? Would the band record an album or tour with her first? Was there a watershed event that could have happened in Chris life to precipitate her wanting to rejoin the band? What do we think Chris would have to say about an outside producer for a new album? Would she write songs from scratch for a new album, or would she simply modify the ones she's been recording for her solo album we've heard about? There are so, so many questions I have... and none of them have anything to do with Stevie freaking Nicks. :sorry:

I think Chris would have to come to the US. If she's going to be a full time member of the band again fleetwood mac would most definitely tour the US again and if John had not been diagnosed with cancer I think there was a very good chance the band would have continued the tour in 2014 because Stevie and Lindsey were getting along so well. I also think they would record in L.A. like they normally do. I can't see Lindsey up rooting his kids and moving them to London for several months to record a CD nor do I see him leaving his kids back in L.A. so he can go to London to record a new CD. It seems that Chris has been thinking about rejoining for awhile so I would suspect that any new song she's written was done so with the band in mind and that it can be converted from a solo into a song for the band in case she does rejoin them

[michelej1]

What I said in my previous post might have come out a bit wrong since I cant quote the things they say in interviews word to word, but its clear from various occasions that Lindsey and Chris are not that close as friends.

Until these last few months, Stevie had not been in touch with Christine either. They are not close friends. Since 1987 right after he left the band, Christine has never suggested that she has anything against Lindsey. And once the frustration over his leaving was over, she began talking about how much she missed him and wished they could work together again. She said she got goose bumps hearing his voice with hers and Stevie's again. They reunited in 1997 and since then she hasn't said anything negative or distancing about Lindsey. I get the feeling they argued in 2003 when SYW was being produced. That's why I think she made some cracks about guitar solos when she was promoting Meantime that were directed at him and she also said that Tusk was a weird album and I think that was kind of targeted at him but until Stevie and Christine recently got together, there was nothing to suggest that, from Christine's perspective, she was any closer to Stevie than Lindsey or any more estranged from Lindsey than Stevie.

Now, HIS comments might suggest otherwise, but Christine has never said anything of the sort, except right after he quit the band in 1987, not since then.


And even if he didn't single handedly picked Stevies granny sweater for the SYW tour, he had a great influence on her toning it down.

And you think this why? Because Stevie said it? Not everyone believes everything that Stevie says. Stevie wore her SYW clothes offstage (including the time she introduced Tom Petty) when neither FM or Lindsey was around. I have to assume she wore the granny sweater because SHE liked it. Maybe she did tone it down because Lindsey commented on it. But I don't assume she did because SHE says it and someone commenting on your attire does not make them a control freak who wants to dress you.

Stevie just said that she thought Prince wanted a romance with her. She has said it before, but she said it again recently and all of the news wires carried the story. But Stevie's opinion about Prince's feelings for her don't make them true.

Your comment that she never badmouths anyone unless they deserve it presumes that Lindsey deserved it all of the 1000s of times she badmouthed him and I just don't buy that. There are two sides to every story. You have every right to choose to believe Stevie's but not everyone has to.

I consider myself to be realistic towards musicians I love.

Everyone considers themselves to be realistic. You don't have a commodity on that.

Michele

[GoldDustBoy]

Can we PLEASE let this one thread, just this ONE thread, not be about Stevie Nicks? This is about Christine McVie returning to Fleetwood Mac after nearly 17 years of absence. This is HUGE. We never thought it would happen. And it looks like it just might now. Can we keep it to that? Christine's return deserves better respect than this thread is giving her.

We should be talking about where Chris goes from here. Where would the band record a new album? LA? England Hawaii? Does this mean Chris might return to the US in some capacity? Would the band record an album or tour with her first? Was there a watershed event that could have happened in Chris life to precipitate her wanting to rejoin the band? What do we think Chris would have to say about an outside producer for a new album? Would she write songs from scratch for a new album, or would she simply modify the ones she's been recording for her solo album we've heard about? There are so, so many questions I have... and none of them have anything to do with Stevie freaking Nicks. :sorry:

Bravo!!! The whole FM section is starting to look like a bunch of teenage girls fighting over which member of their favorite boy band is the best. Our beautiful girl is back. I remember buying ITM as soon as it was realised, and playing it to death. The production was lame, but her ability to craft a perfect pop-rock song is unbeatable. It had the sound component that Fleetood Mac lacks since she left. I pee of happiness a little every time I remember what greatnes might come out when those five combine again. Fleetwood Mac are one of the rare bands in wich all band members compliment each other musicaly to such a high degree.

[michelej1]

Was there a watershed event that could have happened in Chris life to precipitate her wanting to rejoin the band?

We don't know and we'll never know. For my part, I guess just based on unsubstantiated rumors, I have always thought that Christine survived a health risk and that is what made her need to get away and find a new life, with the family she felt she'd neglected while being a rock star. That plus the divorce from Eddy.

So, I don't know why it took her 15 years rather than 5 to change her mind, but maybe she had something going on in her life that isn't going on any more and that's when she got lonely.

Michele

[MoonSister75]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he against Christine performing more then one song during the London shows? All of us would be ecstatic if she was allowed just a couple more songs, and closed the two shows with Songbird? What should be more important to them, a lousy review in a paper focusing on Christines performance, or thrilling thousands of fans with a rare treat, who by the way pay for their extravagant lifestyles and give them so much love?

It was very interesting that one of the biggest British newspapers only gave them 3/5 stars for the first night in London (most reviews on the tour up to this point were 4/5 at least that I remember), with something about "Where was Christine?" in the headlines. The reviewer echoed a feeling of many people at the show - yes this is pretty good, but where is the other band member that really makes this a 5 star group. So keeping Christine of the stage that night didn't really work. Although I think it was the Financial times that gave them 4 or 5 stars, saying the night belonged to Lindsey and his eloquent guitar. (sorry if I've got any details wrong, please feel free to correct me)

[MoonSister75]

I know maybe people shouldn't have been expecting Christine to play, as they has bought tickets for a 4 member Fleetwood mac group. But it was hard not to have expectations, when there was so much publicity prior to them playing in London, about Christine making an appearance.

[MoonSister75]

Anyway, all this drama over Christine's performances has resulted in something good....hopefully she's coming back to do much more than play on one song :thumbsup:

[MoonSister75]

I just want to make it clear before I set of another load of angry comments, that I don't blame Lindsey for Chris not playing that first London show. It did sound like Chris was willing to play, but it was a group decision that she didn't. I just don't think that playing 1 song at 2 shows, was the best decision for the fans, or the reviews.

I'm sorry if this has gone off topic a bit but I just thought I'd better clear that up.

Ok that's all I have to say on the matter :angel:

[GoldDustBoy]

Until these last few months, Stevie had not been in touch with Christine either. They are not close friends. Since 1987 right after he left the band, Christine has never suggested that she has anything against Lindsey. And once the frustration over his leaving was over, she began talking about how much she missed him and wished they could work together again. She said she got goose bumps hearing his voice with hers and Stevie's again. They reunited in 1997 and since then she hasn't said anything negative or distancing about Lindsey. I get the feeling they argued in 2003 when SYW was being produced. That's why I think she made some cracks about guitar solos when she was promoting Meantime that were directed at him and she also said that Tusk was a weird album and I think that was kind of targeted at him but until Stevie and Christine recently got together, there was nothing to suggest that, from Christine's perspective, she was any closer to Stevie than Lindsey or any more estranged from Lindsey than Stevie.

Now, HIS comments might suggest otherwise, but Christine has never said anything of the sort, except right after he quit the band in 1987, not since then.




And you think this why? Because Stevie said it? Not everyone believes everything that Stevie says. Stevie wore her SYW clothes offstage (including the time she introduced Tom Petty) when neither FM or Lindsey was around. I have to assume she wore the granny sweater because SHE liked it. Maybe she did tone it down because Lindsey commented on it. But I don't assume she did because SHE says it and someone commenting on your attire does not make them a control freak who wants to dress you.

Stevie just said that she thought Prince wanted a romance with her. She has said it before, but she said it again recently and all of the news wires carried the story. But Stevie's opinion about Prince's feelings for her don't make them true.

Your comment that she never badmouths anyone unless they deserve it presumes that Lindsey deserved it all of the 1000s of times she badmouthed him and I just don't buy that. There are two sides to every story. You have every right to choose to believe Stevie's but not everyone has to.



Everyone considers themselves to be realistic. You don't have a commodity on that.

Michele


Listen, I really think louielouie2000 has a point that this thread is going in a totaly wrong direcion. Is there any point in turning every damn thread into a SN vs. LB deathmahch? Lady, I love Lindsey as I already said. I am a fan, undersand? If he was the subject of a bashing with no base in reality, I would most certanly defend him too. I am really sick of typing long poinltess posts about this subject. You seem to ignore the main point of my posts and act as if I was attacking Lindsey. I AM NOT! In case you missed it the first 3-4 times, I am going to type it once more in bold letters. I think Chris is joining the band for at least an album, and everibody is happy with that, and they are up for a project as soon as John gets better, and possibly after the four piece lineup do the Australian leg of the tour. But in case an unindentified band member has something against it hypoteticaly, the least possible people to do so are Stevie and Mick based on fifteen years of statements in the media about her leaving. Therefore, I dont undersand how come this whole discussion developed into Stevie being against it. Does presening her as a two faced egomaniac based on pure speculation make any other band member a better person or a better artist? And yeah, I do thik I am pretty realistic, at least to the point I dont believe my musical heroes fart rainbows, which even you must have noticed is not always the case with some people.

[Phil]

It will come as no surprise to anyone that I am not a major fan of Christine's and yet I am thrilled beyond belief that she may be returning to the fold. My hope is that all five of them get down to business as soon as possible and commence work on an album (as a unit). I am not fussed about whether they tour or not and would actually be mightily pissed off if they went out on the road as a quintet before the recording of an album was undertaken.
Christine's recent compositions, whether written with a solo project in mind or not, will no doubt be re-fashioned by Lindsey and will be all the better for it. I was never fond of the In The Meantime album and believe the reason for this was the lacklustre production. Only recently have I discovered that some of those songs were half decent, but perhaps could have been transformed into something wonderful with a more inventive approach, the right rhythm section and those oh so unique vocal harmonies... Of course, many would say that the Say You Will album suffered in part due to the exclusion of Christine's presence. I must say I didn't miss her at the time of it's release, but upon reflection, believe certain songs could have benefited from her contributions (Illume comes to mind - a promising track just crying out for Chris's piano hooks and backing vocals).
The former stumbling block regarding a new album, Miss Nicks, will have to carefully consider her next move. If she has been writing for a solo album, will she hand over some of these, write specifically or dredge up some ancient demos? This is the perfect opportunity for the likes of The Dealer, China Doll, Mistaken Love and She Loves Him Still, amongst many others, to make their debut on record. Pull your finger out Madam!
As for Lindsey, well he must be torn because he wants this elusive album to come to fruition and yet perhaps does not wish to relinquish creative control as he no doubt will if Christine is on board. I imagine part of him relishes the chance to collaborate with her again after all this time, but it will come at a cost. As unfortunate as it may be, John's illness may just be the catalyst for all egos and differences to be put aside, once and for all. Trotters crossed...
PS How about "Fireflies" as a working title? Stevie's original composition could also make it's studio debut - now that would be something!

[michelej1]

Listen, I really think louielouie2000 has a point that this thread is going in a totaly wrong direcion. Is there any point in turning every damn thread into a SN vs. LB deathmahch? Lady, I love Lindsey as I already said. I am a fan, undersand? If he was the subject of a bashing with no base in reality, I would most certanly defend him too. I am really sick of typing long poinltess posts about this subject. You seem to ignore the main point of my posts and act as if I was attacking Lindsey. I AM NOT! In case you missed it the first 3-4 times, I am going to type it once more in bold letters. I think Chris is joining the band for at least an album, and everibody is happy with that, and they are up for a project as soon as John gets better, and possibly after the four piece lineup do the Australian leg of the tour. But in case an unindentified band member has something against it hypoteticaly, the least possible people to do so are Stevie and Mick based on fifteen years of statements in the media about her leaving. Therefore, I dont undersand how come this whole discussion developed into Stevie being against it. Does presening her as a two faced egomaniac based on pure speculation make any other band member a better person or a better artist? And yeah, I do thik I am pretty realistic, at least to the point I dont believe my musical heroes fart rainbows, which even you must have noticed is not always the case with some people.

Actually, the whole discussion didn't develop or devolve into Stevie being against Christine rejoining the band. That's just the way you perceived it. The discussion was actually about whether the band member split changes for five members vs. four members was going to be workable. A comment about whether or not Stevie could deal with the split resulted in you claiming that Lindsey was a control freak who dresses Stevie on stage. Presenting Stevie as a two-faced egomaniac achieves no more and no less than presenting Lindsey as a demonic control freak does.

Michele

[Phil]

Another thing - Christine attended the UK premiere of the In Your Dreams documentary with Stevie and Dave Stewart a couple of months ago. I wonder if this was the first time Christine and Dave had met and also whether Stevie had an ulterior motive for having them both accompany her? Never underestimate Madam when it comes to getting what she wants... Devious little minx!

[PenguinHead]

How about "Fireflies" as a working title? Stevie's original composition could also make it's studio debut - now that would be something!

I think that is a very inspired idea.

[michelej1]

As for Lindsey, well he must be torn because he wants this elusive album to come to fruition and yet perhaps does not wish to relinquish creative control as he no doubt will if Christine is on board.

I don't think he'd have any less control of the new album with Christine on board than he did on Tango. He'd just have fewer songs of his own. I don't think anyone is going to allow him another double album or 18-song album. So, there would probably just be 12 tracks and he would have 4, which might feel stifling for him. I think the space is more limiting for him with Christine than the creative control is, at least not on his and Christine's songs.

That brings us back to the question of whether or not they would still need an outside producer if Christine was there.

I have no doubt that Christine and Lindsey could work on their songs together, without a third party, but what about Stevie? The problem she had with Lindsey's production of her songs, probably would not be cured with Christine's return.

Would it be possible for someone of Stevie's choosing (not Mitchell Froom, certainly) to work on her songs or at least some of them, for an FM album? That's what Lindsey has to accept, I think. Let her do 3 songs under Dave's production and maybe just do one song with Lindsey (their Soldier's Angel for this album). I think that it would be hard for him to turn over those reins, but it may be a necessity to make this thing work happily for everyone.

Gotta say that I thought so much of Calumny and Northern Star that I hope that if Dan has written another nugget as good as those 2 were that Christine might hand it over for an FM recording.

Michele

[Phil]

Yep I'm in agreement concerning those two ITM songs; both lovely and restrained.
I also agree that Lindsey would have to sacrifice the number of tracks he has on the next Mac album, but I believe Christine contributes majorly to arrangement and production ideas. Whilst Lindsey may be appreciative of these contributions on one level, it will also intrude upon his vision and overall creative control (even if he enjoys the process and outcome).
It's possible Stevie might relax her attitude toward Lindsey producing her songs with Christine being present during the recording proceedings. Remember her recent inane comment about 'girl power' and all that nonsense.

[MoonSister75]

Remember her recent inane comment about 'girl power' and all that nonsense.

hey, there ain't nothing wrong with a bit of girl power :rolleyes::D

[missundercover]

I really hope this is true.

I want an album first and the another tour. I have seen 4 concerts so far, but all without Christine, so this would be a real treat for me. :cool:

[michelej1]

Yep I'm in agreement concerning those two ITM songs; both lovely and restrained.
I also agree that Lindsey would have to sacrifice the number of tracks he has on the next Mac album, but I believe Christine contributes majorly to arrangement and production ideas. Whilst Lindsey may be appreciative of these contributions on one level, it will also intrude upon his vision and overall creative control (even if he enjoys the process and outcome).


But except for SYW, it's not as if Lindsey has had any experience working without Christine in the studio within Fleetwood Mac and I don't even think SYW was a 100% exception. I have to believe that SYHA and BTLH were served to us yet again on SYW because of Christine's contributions and not just her voice on the chorus, because we can only hear her faintly there, but because those songs were kind of structured with her keyboard in mind, even for Lindsey's solo album and that's how they got on SYW, because of Christine. To me, because of Warner Bros. or whomever, he's always had to work with Christine, sometimes even when she wasn't there.

Now if he envisioned something closer to BN for the next go round, then yes I can see what you mean that his plans will have to change, because I don't think that will be happening with Christine's return. But who knows if it was ever going to happen anyway.

As for Christine's songs, when she says she's getting back to her seventies sound, I don't even know what that means. Does she mean that her new songs are somehow different than her Meantime songs were? Because aren't Friend and You Are trying for that same sound? In the audio clip it almost sounded as if she was saying she's returning to a form she had abandoned, but I don't know what distinction she was trying to make. Except for Time, since the seventies, when did her sound change to an extent that she thinks she has to revert?

Maybe that comment was code for: "My new songs have a place for harmonies, from voices other than my own. Good harmonies not whatever it was my nephew did to Bad Journey."

Michele

[wetcamelfood]

can you give a bit more details, i've never heard/read that and would love to? was that in 1993 or 1997? i would be surprised if he said in 1997, but i thought he was saying the opposite in 1993?

I don't have the tape, it was a friend that showed it to me so I can't watch it but I can say it was the '93 time frame.

John

[elle]

Can we PLEASE let this one thread, just this ONE thread, not be about Stevie Nicks?

:xoxo:

not about SN??? how do you mean?? don't you know you are on TL? ;)

[elle]

Would she write songs from scratch for a new album, or would she simply modify the ones she's been recording for her solo album we've heard about?

those songs ARE the ones that were planned for an FM album, i don''t have much doubt about that.

[SteveMacD]

I wonder if she sold her house in Kent?

[elle]

I just want to make it clear before I set of another load of angry comments, that I don't blame Lindsey for Chris not playing that first London show. It did sound like Chris was willing to play, but it was a group decision that she didn't. I just don't think that playing 1 song at 2 shows, was the best decision for the fans, or the reviews.


she should have played 2 Dublin shows too. and maybe some of the other ones where she was in town with them, if she wanted to (she may have been with them the whole European leg?). but we have no way of knowing what she wanted, how many shows, songs, etc.

many people who didn't get to see the shows with Christine would always feel like they should have gotten the opportunity too. Mick and SN said it will be 2nd and 3rd London shows, and people flew in from the US specifically for those 2 shows. so it's not like it was a surprise, which shows. we were hoping for more, but it didn't happen. i'm secretly hoping she'll join them in Vegas on 30th, but that doesn't mean it will happen.

someone asked how did she like being in their entourage, this tour. well, judging by her saying she would like to rejoin, is there really much doubt? :nod:

[MikeInNV]

:xoxo:

not about SN??? how do you mean?? don't you know you are on TL? ;)

Well.....you engaged in the SN discussion too. :nod:

[shackin'up]

I'd love it if they made a 5 piece FM- album and toured it. As long as she promises NEVER to play Little Lies, EVER, I'll be happy. I'm certain that it will increase te vocal blend live and in the studio. And I'm convinced that Lindsey really looks forward to record with her again, and hold back a little on stage. He already did this last tour.

[elle]

Maybe that comment was code for: "My new songs have a place for harmonies, from voices other than my own. Good harmonies not whatever it was my nephew did to Bad Journey."

it was a code for "these songs are fleetwood mac-y" :nod: :thumbsup:

[elle]

I don't have the tape, it was a friend that showed it to me so I can't watch it but I can say it was the '93 time frame.

John

thanks! wow, so Lindsey said in 1993 that he sees no reasons NOT to return to FM?? what does that mean? i mean he toured solo and FM did another album without him after or in that timeframe? does it mean he said he'd come back after Clinton thing and FM said no?

(sorry louie, to pursue this about LFB, but i've always heard exactly the opposite, so this is a revelation to me.)

[elle]

I wonder if she sold her house in Kent?

nah... i wouldn't if i was her. but she can maybe rent or buy something in LA or HI if this all goes well...

[elle]

Where would the band record a new album? LA? England Hawaii? Does this mean Chris might return to the US in some capacity?
i think for the parts they can't do long distance / phone /skype / whatever, they will probably record in Lindsey's studio in LA, same as what they did with the 9 songs they recorded so far, last year.

Would the band record an album or tour with her first?
i think they may do both. i think if John is doing fine, they probably already said yes to Glasto. so i think they'll have some tour dates towards the summer.

now re AUS/NZ, they seem to like going there when it's summer, so if they can't make it by March (and they probably won't be able to), they will not either do that leg in 2014, or they will again schedule it towards the end of the year.

What do we think Chris would have to say about an outside producer for a new album? Would she write songs from scratch for a new album, or would she simply modify the ones she's been recording for her solo album we've heard about?
i'm thinking she might be pretty easy-going towards outside producer or not. Lindsey has been adamant about outside producer, so to me it's a no-brainer there will be one for most songs. now if some of the songs are produced by Froom, while others are produced by someone else (like SN-LB produced WY), there will be non-cohesiveness in the album that everybody will complain about. so i'm curious to see how that will go.

[michelej1]

thanks! wow, so Lindsey said in 1993 that he sees no reasons NOT to return to FM?? what does that mean? i mean he toured solo and FM did another album without him after or in that timeframe? does it mean he said he'd come back after Clinton thing and FM said no?

(sorry louie, to pursue this about LFB, but i've always heard exactly the opposite, so this is a revelation to me.)

No, until 1997 he did say the opposite.

Michele

[michelej1]

it was a code for "these songs are fleetwood mac-y" :nod: :thumbsup:

But I think Meantime songs were Fleetwood Mac-y. And I think she did too because she did interviews and the questioner said that to her and one time she laughed and said, that was because she wrote all the FM hits. And then she said that it was because she'd learned a lot from Lindsey.

I was thinking about it and Time did not sound as hooky from her and maybe Tusk too, except for Think About Me. But most of her other music since the seventies has been of a pattern from which I hadn't noticed her deviate. But if she sees a distinction in the phases of her music, I'd like to hear her talk about that at greater length.

I'm not a Paul McCartney fan, but I've heard him discuss Early Days and say it's about hearing things about the Beatles that aren't true and thinking that those people weren't there, but he was and you can never take that away from him and some of his comments made me think about FM and I hope that Christine returning will be the occasion for them to do great interviews for posterity.

They don't all 5 have to sit down together. In fact, it's best if they AREN'T together and are alone and can talk more freely. But I'd like some whole group interviews. I hope Playboy asks them for one where they ask them all the same questions individually. Because of their age, I think we need a big comprehensive interview -- that's not about Rumours.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

it was a code for "these songs are fleetwood mac-y" :nod: :thumbsup:

That's what I got out of it too!

[michelej1]

Well.....you engaged in the SN discussion too. :nod:

Yes, Elle. Even started it.

Michele

[michelej1]

I wonder if she sold her house in Kent?

That would be burning her bridges all over again.

Well, I guess even if she did, she would still keep the London place.

Michele

[michelej1]

i'm thinking she might be pretty easy-going towards outside producer or not. Lindsey has been adamant about outside producer, so to me it's a no-brainer there will be one for most songs. now if some of the songs are produced by Froom, while others are produced by someone else (like SN-LB produced WY), there will be non-cohesiveness in the album that everybody will complain about. so i'm curious to see how that will go.

I don't think Lindsey actually wanted an outside producer to free him up, so he wouldn't have to worry about all of that. I think he knew he would have to have one for Stevie and that's why he said that.

Michele

[elle]

I don't think Lindsey actually wanted an outside producer to free him up, so he wouldn't have to worry about all of that. I think he knew he would have to have one for Stevie and that's why he said that.

Michele

i think there are 2 parts of why imo he may be very open to outside producer:

1) he said he didn't want to put himself in the situation he was in with SYW again, when he dd tons of work only to be piled on for it afterwards.

and

2) pattern of his most recent work and collaborations, from Jon Brion, through Reznor, and Mitchell Froom to me says he's been actually enjoying working with people who have something to add to his approach, even when not with FM.

so i think he is very much open to an outside producer, and i don't see him taking producing of the whole album on himself again.

[elle]

That's what I got out of it too!

and when you have a christine fan and a lindsey fan coming to the same conclusion, you know we must be right! :cool:

[jmn3]

Hell, I want to talk about songs that could be added to the set-list, but I know that's way too early.

Haha, I've been waiting for the set list wishes to show up actually!! I'd love for Chris to think outside of the box with what she would bring to a hypothetical future FM set, but my guess is the likely return of Say You Love Me, You Make Loving Fun, Songbird, Everywhere...maybe Oh Daddy too. Personally, if Chris were to return, I'd like to see her resurrect a few pre-1975 songs into the mix.

[elle]

Haha, I've been waiting for the set list wishes to show up actually!! I'd love for Chris to think outside of the box with what she would bring to a hypothetical future FM set, but my guess is the likely return of Say You Love Me, You Make Loving Fun, Songbird, Everywhere...maybe Oh Daddy too. Personally, if Chris were to return, I'd like to see her resurrect a few pre-1975 songs into the mix.

hold me and think about me. (any songs with lots of lindsey on it, actually... ;) :angel: yeah yeah yeah one track mind, i know!)

[mylittledemon]

Well if this story is true, I'm just gonna be happier than a pig in slop. I never never never never ever thought I'd see this happen in a million years. Fingers crossed for a new album (5 songs from Linds, 4 from Stevie, and 4 from Chris make a perfectly rounded record!)... but I'll be satisfied with seeing them on tour as the Five Fireflies! :thumbsup:

[michelej1]

2) pattern of his most recent work and collaborations, from Jon Brion, through Reznor, and Mitchell Froom to me says he's been actually enjoying working with people who have something to add to his approach, even when not with FM.



And I really don't see him as collaborating with anyone that much, not as much as he did in the seventies and eighties. To me, he's more isolated than he's ever been, rather than reversing that pattern.

I actually think it would benefit him to have some outside production or at least a third ear, on his solo endeavors. If he was doing that more, I'd be inclined to agree with you that he'd be open to doing it with the Mac.

As far as them doing it piecemeal goes and having different producers on different tracks, I think we already have a problem with cohesion as things now stand. If they put the EP songs on the album with the songs Lindsey already recorded with Mick and John and don't have Froom working on the new Stevie and Christine songs too.

I hope that the EP songs won't be on the album as well. I want 12 new songs. They can use the songs that Lindsey had already if he really likes them, but don't use what's already been recorded. Record again.

Also, if the songs Lindsey already recorded were not edgy, I think he should do new ones and be a little quirky and let Christine bring the more traditional ones to the table.

Michele

[michelej1]

Haha, I've been waiting for the set list wishes to show up actually!! I'd love for Chris to think outside of the box with what she would bring to a hypothetical future FM set, but my guess is the likely return of Say You Love Me, You Make Loving Fun, Songbird, Everywhere...maybe Oh Daddy too. Personally, if Chris were to return, I'd like to see her resurrect a few pre-1975 songs into the mix.

I have always wanted to hear FM work with Got a Hold on Me. I'd be so thrilled and surprised to see that on a setlist.

Michele

[jmn3]

I have always wanted to hear FM work with Got a Hold on Me. I'd be so thrilled and surprised to see that on a setlist.

Michele

That would be a nice surprise for sure. I always felt Chris should have included it in the 1987-88 Mac shows. The song has basically faded into obscurity by now but I sure wouldn't mind hearing the band play it.

[elle]

If they put the EP songs on the album with the songs Lindsey already recorded with Mick and John and don't have Froom working on the new Stevie and Christine songs too.

I hope that the EP songs won't be on the album as well. I want 12 new songs. They can use the songs that Lindsey had already if he really likes them, but don't use what's already been recorded. Record again.

Also, if the songs Lindsey already recorded were not edgy, I think he should do new ones and be a little quirky and let Christine bring the more traditional ones to the table.

i fully expect those songs are not edgy. they are, after all, fleetwood mac-y. ;)

i agree with you re EP, that's exactly what i was referring to. what they put out on EP was not cohesive because of different producers. so imo, Froom should produce the rest of the album, too.

i don't see SN being completely set on Dave Stewart and closed off to a vast world of opportunity out there, i'd give her more credit than that. i believe she'd be open to giving someone else a chance and see what happens. plus if Dave is brought in, he seems like a person who can easily work with others, and i don't think he'd have much problem with Froom having the reigns.

maybe i'm too idealistic?

i mean why wouldn't SN want to try Froom? do we know that she dislikes his style? or would it be because Lindsey brought him in? in that case, wouldn't that be extremely childish? i would like to think these people have grown up at least some and can be more professional than that.

[michelej1]

That would be a nice surprise for sure. I always felt Chris should have included it in the 1987-88 Mac shows. The song has basically faded into obscurity by now but I sure wouldn't mind hearing the band play it.

I do wonder how many people in the audience would remember it once the chorus started. Something they hadn't thought about in almost 30 years.

I mentioned Calumny and Northern Star before and I just love them so much. I would like to know if Lindsey has heard Christine's album. I want him to hear those. If Stars Are Crazy and Shut Us Down inspired him and made him want to use them (or Blue Letter too, if you want to go old school), then I would hope Calumny and Northern Star might speak to him, especially given her amazing vocals on them, and make him wonder about the FM possibilities. What could the group bring to those gems that deserve wider exposure.

Michele

[michelej1]

i fully expect those songs are not edgy. they are, after all, fleetwood mac-y. ;)



Fleetwood Mac has been edgy.

I don't know how Stevie feels about Froom. Certainly he's worked with a vast array of people, including her friend Sheryl Crow. But I'm not anxious to get any more from Froom myself, whatever her feelings may be.

Michele

[elle]

forgot to mention something else - even if they are not edgy, i would still like to hear those other 5 songs LB recorded with John and Mick. i don't want them disappearing into oblivion.

if Lindsey has more song ideas, he should put them out solo.

but he should use those already recorded 5 songs and work with Christine on hers for the FM album, and get that all out asap.

[elle]

Fleetwood Mac has been edgy.

i agree they have been. periods i'd consider "edgy" though don't seem to be well liked FM periods among the majority of their fans (sweeping generalization, i know). i'm mostly talking about a lot of Tusk and some of Lindsey's SYW songs, btw, as "edgy".

what would you count as their edgy songs / periods?

[michelej1]

forgot to mention something else - even if they are not edgy, i would still like to hear those other 5 songs LB recorded with John and Mick. i don't want them disappearing into oblivion.



How did we get GOS in the first place?

Hey you, person who leaked GOS for us, if Lindsey has any more songs with John and Mick on them that are harbored and not officially released soon, please leak those other songs to us. Thanks.

Michele

[elle]

How did we get GOS in the first place?

Hey you, person who leaked GOS for us, if Lindsey has any more songs with John and Mick on them that are harbored and not officially released soon, please leak those other songs to us. Thanks.

Michele

or Mick, John, and Lindsey can just put them out for download on itunes / amazon, one by one.

[vivfox]

Haha, I've been waiting for the set list wishes to show up actually!! I'd love for Chris to think outside of the box with what she would bring to a hypothetical future FM set, but my guess is the likely return of Say You Love Me, You Make Loving Fun, Songbird, Everywhere...maybe Oh Daddy too.

I was wondering what her choices would have been to be performed during the Tusk portion of the set. While I'd love to hear Brown Eyes, I was lucky enough to hear that live on the Mirage Tour. I'd love to hear Honey Hi with Stevie's beautiful harmonies or Never Forget or even Think About Me. But if she chose Never Make Me Cry then that would surely be my bathroom break song.

[michelej1]

I was wondering what her choices would have been to be performed during the Tusk portion of the set. While I'd love to hear Brown Eyes, I was lucky enough to hear that live on the Mirage Tour. I'd love to hear Honey Hi with Stevie's beautiful harmonies or Never Forget or even Think About Me. But if she chose Never Make Me Cry then that would surely be my bathroom break song.

I would never go to the rest room, but if her choices were not Think About Me, Never Forget or Honey Hi, I might need to be electrocuted to stay awake. I can't have Oh Daddy and Brown Eyes in the same setlist.

Michele

[michelej1]

or Mick, John, and Lindsey can just put them out for download on itunes / amazon, one by one.

Reminds me that we'd have something like 12 tracks on the LP and then bonus tracks. Two minimum, maybe more because they do those crazy deals where Wal*Mart or Amazon have exclusive bonus tracks of their own.

I loved the Best Buy cd from 1997. I'd like to have another one of those with songs and also interviews.

And you people just know in advance that I will be complaining, and probably Skip will as well, if we don't have hard copies of this junk.

One time Elle, I will have something hard and you will want it really bad and I won't share it with you. I'll tell you to look on your computer;)

Michele

[elle]

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One time Elle, I will have something hard and you will want it really bad and I won't share it with you. I'll tell you to look on your computer;)

Michele

hey - you wanted a bootleg!!

and, where's that crying icon? you wouldn't share it with me? boo-hoo :distress:

that aside, i usually lose hard copies of everything so i don't even bother with too many of them. i guess i moved around too much.

[michelej1]

hey - you wanted a bootleg!!



Well, no I would never prefer a bootleg. I was just asking for one because I'd rather have it leaked than not released at all. If I never had Wear You Down or Given Thing or Deep Dense, I'd be very sad (and wouldn't even know why).

I wouldn't share it with you because I remember you and Louie balking at us for not wanting things released as only digital files like we were really old and still liked gramophones or something.

Michele

[Johnny Stew]

I think they'll record together before touring. Just seems like there've been a lot of signs that they'd lean in that direction. I also think, considering John's health, recording an album would afford him more time to fully recuperate after chemo & all of its side-effects (which my brother is experiencing right now).

Probably the least time-consuming and economical choice, would be to "open up" the mixes on Lindsey's remaining five songs, so that Christine can add keyboards and she & Stevie can add backing vocals (much as they did with the original 'Gift of Screws' songs that were folded into 'Say You Will'), as opposed to starting completely from scratch.

From there, they can focus on recording Chris & Stevie's tracks -- which might not take too terribly long, depending on how fully realized the demos are.

If it all comes to fruition, there's certainly a lot to be excited about.

[Johnny Stew]

And you people just know in advance that I will be complaining, and probably Skip will as well, if we don't have hard copies of this junk.

I'll happily join you in signing a "We demand hard copies" petition. ;) Digital's great, but I need to own something tangible when it comes to Fleetwood Mac.

[elle]

Well, no I would never prefer a bootleg. I was just asking for one because I'd rather have it leaked than not released at all. If I never had Wear You Down or Given Thing or Deep Dense, I'd be very sad (and wouldn't even know why).

I wouldn't share it with you because I remember you and Louie balking at us for not wanting things released as only digital files like we were really old and still liked gramophones or something.

Michele

we are mean like that. :lol:

although i'm pretty sure i'm older than you ;). and my little 10 yo loved finding the gramophone and all the old records in one of the boxes, when we were moving stuff around. now my kids are fighting in whose room that stuff will be, treating it like some hidden long lost treasure.

[Johnny Stew]

I apologize for a third message in a row, but in my excitement at all of these prospects, I have to add that I hope 'Mirage' and 'Tango' finally get the expanded & remastered treatment. That would certainly be something to whet our appetites, in the lead up to a new release.

[elle]

Probably the least time-consuming and economical choice, would be to "open up" the mixes on Lindsey's remaining five songs, so that Christine can add keyboards and she & Stevie can add backing vocals (much as they did with the original 'Gift of Screws' songs that were folded into 'Say You Will'), as opposed to starting completely from scratch.


agree with you. except, Lindsey's GOS tracks were meant to be solo, while his tracks recorded last year were meant to have SN's vocals on it from the start. so i don't think they have to "open up" anything, i think these were never "closed" or completed in the first place. Christine's contributions to these tracks should add richness they would never have without her.

[AnthonyMI]

Imagine It Takes Time with Chris playing piano, on a REAL piano, and not a synth piano. With light Chris harmonies over the chorus!

[michelej1]

I think they'll record together before touring. Just seems like there've been a lot of signs that they'd lean in that direction. I also think, considering John's health, recording an album would afford him more time to fully recuperate after chemo & all of its side-effects (which my brother is experiencing right now).



Yes, I was wondering about his sessions with respect to Vegas. I guess he could do it and still be in treatment. I can't remember exactly what my mother's schedule was, but she had colon cancer in 2002 and after her surgery she, I think, had as much as a 2 week interval of time between chemo. It of course varies from person to person and cancer to cancer, but it wasn't at all the grueling experience where she was sick for 3 days straight and then when she started to feel better, it was time to go under again. She actually remained very active throughout, BUT she caught an infection and that derailed her.

Michele

[Johnny Stew]

agree with you. except, Lindsey's GOS tracks were meant to be solo, while his tracks recorded last year were meant to have SN's vocals on it from the start. so i don't think they have to "open up" anything, i think these were never "closed" or completed in the first place. Christine's contributions to these tracks should add richness they would never have without her.

Oh, you're definitely right about that. My comment about Chris & Stevie adding backing vocals was more secondary to the thought of Christine adding keyboards. Unless my ears are deceiving me, "Miss Fantasy" and "Sad Angel" don't have any keyboards. Yet they feel fully realized, instrumentally. So if the remaining five tracks sound similar, then some part of their current instrumentation would probably have to be stripped away for Christine to contribute.

[jbrownsjr]

I want to see LB and CM write You And I Part 3!

[Johnny Stew]

Yes, I was wondering about his sessions with respect to Vegas. I guess he could do it and still be in treatment. I can't remember exactly what my mother's schedule was, but she had colon cancer in 2002 and after her surgery she, I think, had as much as a 2 week interval of time between chemo. It of course varies from person to person and cancer to cancer, but it wasn't at all the grueling experience where she was sick for 3 days straight and then when she started to feel better, it was time to go under again. She actually remained very active throughout, BUT she caught an infection and that derailed her.

My brother has his treatments every other week. His started in September and will run through the second week of February. It's usually not until Wednesday or Thursday of the week following treatment, that he starts to feel better. But, yeah, it's so hard to say in consideration to John, because we don't know what kind of cancer he has, what stage it was in when he was diagnosed, or the extent of his treatments.

[Johnny Stew]

I want to see LB and CM write You And I Part 3!

Lol! Well, if song trilogies follow the fate of movie trilogies, then "You and I, Part III" should be pretty great. The first in a movie series is always stellar and gets things off to a great start. The middle movie is entertaining but leaves something to be desired. Then the third wraps it all up so wonderfully, that it makes you want to buy the Complete Trilogy boxed-set in every configuration possible. ;)

[michelej1]

I apologize for a third message in a row, but in my excitement at all of these prospects, I have to add that I hope 'Mirage' and 'Tango' finally get the expanded & remastered treatment. That would certainly be something to whet our appetites, in the lead up to a new release.


I had just posted a short review of the 1969-1972 box set earlier, when I thought of Mirage and Tango and how maybe they could be put in a collection together. Well, to be fair BTM and Time could go in there as well.



although i'm pretty sure i'm older than you ;). and my little 10 yo loved finding the gramophone and all the old records in one of the boxes, when we were moving stuff around. now my kids are fighting in whose room that stuff will be, treating it like some hidden long lost treasure.

Right now I feel especially crazy because cbsnew.com has been doing four days of live streaming coverage of JFK news, as it actually happened in real time. I would love to have it on DVD, but it's just streaming online.

Now, with Fleetwood Mac, I save some of the Youtube clips using keepvid, but there's about 50 hours of JFK coverage and it would be hard to "download," to say the least.

I listen to two guys who love Mike Nesmith and they were saying that Nesmith just did a tour this year and he has put together a live recording with four different versions for sale. You can buy one with just the songs and not Nesmith's introductions and one with the introductions included (that reminded me of Lindsey's speeches:)) and I just thought, "How come everyone else's fans have everything and we have so little?"

Michele

[Villavic]

I find it hard to believe that Lindsey wouldn't want Christine to rejoin the band, especially if it means recording a new album and touring.

With the complete lineup (hope John will get better) they would sell far more albums and tickets. Lindsey would want her.

[Lee]

Well for me personally, I'm all for Christine coming back in. :thumbsup: I've never seen them all together live in person, so I think it's great. I'd even sit in the nosebleed section of the Wells Fargo Center in Philly if need be. I just want to set them ALL together again. :nod: And it would be even better still if they all would put out a new FM CD.

Lee :)

[elle]

I listen to two guys who love Mike Nesmith and they were saying that Nesmith just did a tour this year and he has put together a live recording with four different versions for sale. You can buy one with just the songs and not Nesmith's introductions and one with the introductions included (that reminded me of Lindsey's speeches:)) and I just thought, "How come everyone else's fans have everything and we have so little?"

Michele

my feelings exactly!

i've been to tons of very different concerts this year, and met tons of fans following specific bands i saw at the time. and after seeing those concerts, learning of setlist changes from show to show, and how many of them are making available for download specific show you just saw, i kept thinking over and over: "we are following the WRONG band." :distress: if you are following the band on the road, like some of us did, you get so much more with so many of the other bands. FM really are a band you should see maybe just once, or twice the most, per tour.

one thing though that i can say for our guy (talking about LB, not FM), his m&gs were by far the cheapest and the warmest and he seems much more open to his fans, than most.

[vivfox]

I just thought, "How come everyone else's fans have everything and we have so little?"



my feelings exactly!


We can't help that we love these people so much. I've been frustrated my whole adult life by how little these people contribute to us fans.

[WildHearted]

Oh, you're definitely right about that. My comment about Chris & Stevie adding backing vocals was more secondary to the thought of Christine adding keyboards. Unless my ears are deceiving me, "Miss Fantasy" and "Sad Angel" don't have any keyboards. Yet they feel fully realized, instrumentally. So if the remaining five tracks sound similar, then some part of their current instrumentation would probably have to be stripped away for Christine to contribute.

Miss Fantasy has a rather prominent (but not that great) piano part during the bridge and the outro.

[Johnny Stew]

Miss Fantasy has a rather prominent (but not that great) piano part during the bridge and the outro.

Oh wow, that's right! How did I forget about that? :o

[elle]

Miss Fantasy has a rather prominent (but not that great) piano part during the bridge and the outro.

yup. didn't someone say that was Froom? isn't he also keyboardist, in addition to producing?

[Johnny Stew]

yup. didn't someone say that was Froom? isn't he also keyboardist, in addition to producing?

He has played keyboards in a couple of bands, so it could be him.

Steve Thoma played keyboards on Dave Mason's 'Time' songs and one of Bekka's, but would they do the same thing now and leave Mitchell Froom's parts intact if Christine returned (assuming, of course, that he added keyboards to any of the other five unheard tracks)?

[I'msoAfraid95]

or Mick, John, and Lindsey can just put them out for download on itunes / amazon, one by one.

I hope that they'll do a cd copy. Some of us don't download.(ie: me)

[jmn3]

I was wondering what her choices would have been to be performed during the Tusk portion of the set. While I'd love to hear Brown Eyes, I was lucky enough to hear that live on the Mirage Tour. I'd love to hear Honey Hi with Stevie's beautiful harmonies or Never Forget or even Think About Me. But if she chose Never Make Me Cry then that would surely be my bathroom break song.

I love Brown Eyes...also Over and Over and Think About Me. I'm not real hot on the rest of Christine's Tusk output.

[SteveMacD]

Can we fire all of the mini-Mac now?

Okay, keep Brett, because he can play guitar and keys (good for acoustic guitar and string sounds), but get rid of everybody else. Just the five. Show 'em why they're legends.

[jbrownsjr]

Can we fire all of the mini-Mac now?

Okay, keep Brett, because he can play guitar and keys (good for acoustic guitar and string sounds), but get rid of everybody else. Just the five. Show 'em why they're legends.

God, I couldn't agree more..

[jbrownsjr]

Lol! Well, if song trilogies follow the fate of movie trilogies, then "You and I, Part III" should be pretty great. The first in a movie series is always stellar and gets things off to a great start. The middle movie is entertaining but leaves something to be desired. Then the third wraps it all up so wonderfully, that it makes you want to buy the Complete Trilogy boxed-set in every configuration possible. ;)

I think these two writers could still right some blockbuster stuff!! Let's hope your theory is correct. .

[HomerMcvie]

God, I couldn't agree more..

Me too. Remember when they were a real BAND, actually making all the sound themselves?

It's ridiculous what has become of most live bands now, either playing along to tracks, or having umpteen backing musicians.

[jbrownsjr]

and when you have a christine fan and a lindsey fan coming to the same conclusion, you know we must be right! :cool:

Buckingham/McVie is always a great collaboration. It keeps the World Turning! :)

[I'msoAfraid95]

Me too. Remember when they were a real BAND, actually making all the sound themselves?

It's ridiculous what has become of most live bands now, either playing along to tracks, or having umpteen backing musicians.


One or 2 backing musicians are understandable if a band is a 3 piece(to get a fuller sound) or a band that uses more musical instruments than they have people. (Though those musicians would be called touring musicians)

As for FM, they're better without backing musicians than most bands are with.
They don't need any back up singers/guitarists/drummers.

[elle]

Can we fire all of the mini-Mac now?

Okay, keep Brett, because he can play guitar and keys (good for acoustic guitar and string sounds), but get rid of everybody else. Just the five. Show 'em why they're legends.

keep Neale too. if nothing else, just because i like the guy. :)

[SteveMacD]

keep Neale too. if nothing else, just because i like the guy. :)
Nope. He can still be in Lindsey's band, but I don't want a mini-Mac.

[elle]

Nope. He can still be in Lindsey's band, but I don't want a mini-Mac.

nope. i don't want anybody but Lindsey when he's solo.

[I'msoAfraid95]

nope. i don't want anybody but Lindsey when he's solo.

I wonder how good Lindsey would be at the one man band thing.:lol: I love when it's just him and his guitar(s), but some of his songs require more than just a guitar.

[elle]

I wonder how good Lindsey would be at the one man band thing.:lol: I love when it's just him and his guitar(s), but some of his songs require more than just a guitar.

how do you mean you wonder? :confused:

he uses a backing track, or just reworks them. i want him to rework tons more of them. therefore, want more of his one man band tour.

[michelej1]

Buckingham/McVie is always a great collaboration. It keeps the World Turning! :)

True. Although I don't like that particular song.

Michele