Christine wants to rejoin the band according to The Guardian [Archive] - Page 3

louielouie2000

12-03-2013, 04:27 PM

I think they want a big announcement, though. So, I doubt Stevie could confirm officially. I would think they'd play it close to the vest.

Michele

^^^ That's a good point. They may be waiting for a press conf.

I agree. I am guessing the band's managers are busy behind the scenes orchestrating this whole thing. First, they need to get any currently booked performances/appearances from the present incarnation of Fleetwood Mac out of the way. So that puts any sort of official announcement from the band into mid January at the very earliest (remember, they have a January 8 corporate gig). If the band decides to rebook it's Australia/New Zealand dates, this could get pushed back even further, though.

I'm not so sure Fleetwood Mac could go straight back into the markets they've just toured in, and get good ticket sales, though. Even with Christine's return, it's probably just too soon. So I'm guessing touring with Christine in 2014 is not a likely scenario. Hopefully Fleetwood Mac will spend 2014 working on an album... but I have my doubts. We'll see.

James Kirk

12-03-2013, 05:42 PM

Well this news, if it comes to pass, is thrilling I must say! Though I have not posted here regularly for over 10 years…wow, maybe 13 years, I sure remember all the excitement before the Dance was released with the prospects of them getting all back together.

Back when the Ledge was just one board and we all sat listening to the live broadcast of what became the Dance DVD :)

That being said, I actually completely understand Mr. Buckingham’s position. I don’t think it was meant as a slight to Ms. McVie but just want they said it was, they didn't want it over shadowing all the work they have done. Simple as that.

But it is amazing how much vitriol can be sprayed for Mr. Buckingham stance. I truly believe he thinks he is doing what is best for the band as a whole
As a fan of all members of this band I really look forward to this if it happens, and if not I will continue to enjoy them in their own separate projects and anything they do in the future together.

It is rather nice to still see some familiar users posting on this board and I look forward to reconnecting with some old friends. :)

michelej1

12-03-2013, 06:42 PM

James Kirk

12-03-2013, 06:50 PM

Hi Michele,
Oh we couldn't watch it, if memory serves it was a radio broadcast cast from the night the show was filmed but I could be mistaken on when it was broadcast.
But yes, it was very exciting, something I hope we all get to experience again. :)

jbrownsjr

12-03-2013, 07:05 PM

Now that must have been exciting to watch such a momentous event, posting with other fans at the same time.

Michele

If I remember correctly it was a tv simulcast. I remember posting during that time. I think I first discovered the ledge in 1995. So there was buildup to the events. In fact, people were going crazy!! :)

James Kirk

12-03-2013, 07:07 PM

Jbrownsjr, I remember those days :) good times, so much fun.

If I remember correctly it was a tv simulcast. I remember posting during that time. I think I first discovered the ledge in 1995. So there was buildup to the events. In fact, people were going crazy!! :)

jbrownsjr

12-03-2013, 07:31 PM

Jbrownsjr, I remember those days :) good times, so much fun.

Me too!!:thumbsup:

I'msoAfraid95

12-03-2013, 07:49 PM

I want a Mick Fleetwood interview done soon, since he can't keep a secret. :p.

(P.S. sorry I haven't posted in close to a week. I've been tied up with stuff and I'm on the verge of getting bronchitis, if I haven't already.)

The Catdancer

12-03-2013, 08:29 PM

Hope you'll feel better :wavey:

SteveMacD

12-03-2013, 09:05 PM

I want a Mick Fleetwood interview done soon, since he can't keep a secret. :p.

I'm sure he's tied up with duct over his mouth somewhere in Irving Azoff's compound.

SteveMacD

12-03-2013, 09:21 PM

If the band decides to rebook it's Australia/New Zealand dates, this could get pushed back even further, though.
If tickets were refunded, I see no reason why they couldn't go on as a quintet.

I'm not so sure Fleetwood Mac could go straight back into the markets they've just toured in, and get good ticket sales, though. Even with Christine's return, it's probably just too soon.
I think it all depends on how the announcement is handled. I think if they did something like Saturday Night Live, Austin City Limits, and some of the late night shows, people could actually see she was back.

So I'm guessing touring with Christine in 2014 is not a likely scenario. Hopefully Fleetwood Mac will spend 2014 working on an album... but I have my doubts. We'll see.
The ideal would be for them to spend three months (more than enough time) in the studio recording Stevie and Christine's songs and adding the girls to the songs the boys did last year, hit the road in the summer, and have the album come out while they're on the road.

louielouie2000

12-03-2013, 09:56 PM

If tickets were refunded, I see no reason why they couldn't go on as a quintet.

You don't think the market is saturated with Fleetwood Mac just touring last year?

I think it all depends on how the announcement is handled. I think if they did something like Saturday Night Live, Austin City Limits, and some of the late night shows, people could actually see she was back.

Fleetwood Mac performing on Austin City Limits is one of my biggest dreams! I do wonder if that would ever happen, though. None of Fleetwood Mac's peers have ever appeared on the show (Eagles, Aerosmith, Rolling Stones, Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd, Tom Petty, etc). So it makes me wonder if they don't book those kind of big acts. The show seems to focus more on emerging and lesser known bands... or solo artists who are showcasing side projects apart from their famous bands.

The ideal would be for them to spend three months (more than enough time) in the studio recording Stevie and Christine's songs and adding the girls to the songs the boys did last year, hit the road in the summer, and have the album come out while they're on the road.

I am a harsh critic of the amount of time Fleetwood Mac takes to record an album, but there's another side to that coin. The EP was recorded quickly, and sounds like a thrown together mess. These 5 haven't recorded a studio album together in nearly 27 years. If they need to take their time to get their groove back and make it right, I'm all for that. I want the last Mac album to be a masterpiece, not something sloppily excreted like the EP.

nicole21290

12-03-2013, 10:12 PM

Stevie talks a little about the Chris situation in the interview earlier tonight:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/uq7roz9ds1law36/KLOS%202013%20SN.mp3

jkmaletic

12-03-2013, 10:17 PM

We just need someone at the Stevie BN signing to ask her the question about Christine!!!! :lol:

I just heard (like 20 minutes ago), a live interview with Stevie on KLOS 95.5. She was promoting the IYD DVD signing tomorrow. The DJ asked her about Christine and Stevie said something along the lines of that she thought it was funny that supposedly Christine had to ask US to be back - it's HER BAND!! (LOL) She said, it'd be like, can I come in my own house? She did mention that her and Lindsey told her that if she wanted to come back to keep in mind although it is fun, it's still grueling. So to keep that in mind when/if she decides.

She also said that any future plans regarding Fleetwood Mac (including touring and/or new music) is kind of up in the air until January because of John's situation. She said they expect John to make a full recovery, but he does have to have surgery. She mentioned they are still doing the Vegas shows (1 public and 2 private).

(Just saw someone posted a link to the interview on the Stevie boards)
Jamie

michelej1

12-03-2013, 10:21 PM

If I remember correctly it was a tv simulcast. I remember posting during that time. I think I first discovered the ledge in 1995. So there was buildup to the events. In fact, people were going crazy!! :)

I was slow. I had the internet in the nineties and I was on newgroups, but I only talked about tv shows. I didn't use it for music information and I missed out on so much FM stuff. Michele

michelej1

12-03-2013, 10:22 PM

I just heard (like 20 minutes ago), a live interview with Stevie on KLOS 95.5. She was promoting the IYD DVD signing tomorrow. The DJ asked her about Christine and Stevie said something along the lines of that she thought it was funny that supposedly Christine had to ask US to be back - it's HER BAND!! (LOL) She said, it'd be like, can I come in my own house? She did mention that her and Lindsey told her that if she wanted to come back to keep in mind although it is fun, it's still grueling. So to keep that in mind when/if she decides.

So far, so good. Thanks for updating us. Michele

SteveMacD

12-03-2013, 10:25 PM

You don't think the market is saturated with Fleetwood Mac just touring last year?
Well, I was talking about them doing an Aussie/New Zealand tour as a quintet, however, I also think they could do another U.S. tour. A year is a long time, and lots of bands do summer tours every year. If it's properly promoted (and, with Irvin Azoff as their manager, it WILL be properly promoted...wag-the-dog), it could be one of the hottest tickets over the summer.

Fleetwood Mac performing on Austin City Limits is one of my biggest dreams! I do wonder if that would ever happen, though. None of Fleetwood Mac's peers have ever appeared on the show
Pearl Jam and Neil Young have done it, and they're at least on par with Fleetwood Mac. Also, Steve Winwood, Warren Zevon, and the Allman Bros. have done it. I think it would be a great way to show that the classic version of the band is back.

I am a harsh critic of the amount of time Fleetwood Mac takes to record an album, but there's another side to that coin. The EP was recorded quickly, and sounds like a thrown together mess. These 5 haven't recorded a studio album together in nearly 27 years. If they need to take their time to get their groove back and make it right, I'm all for that. I want the last Mac album to be a masterpiece, not something sloppily excreted like the EP.
I think it would be possible if they keep Froom. They're more mature, sober, and have (except for Christine) developed tighter chops from the tour, and technology has advanced to the point where it would be possible.

BTW, I'm not going to ever claim that this would be "the last Mac album." With Christine back and with an outside producer, I think they have several more albums left in them.

sodascouts

12-03-2013, 10:30 PM

Just heard the Stevie interview. Very encouraging! I wasn't around during the Dance days, and I never dreamed I would get to see a Mac with Christine... Could it be? Could it really, really be?

michelej1

12-03-2013, 10:33 PM

Stevie talks a little about the Chris situation in the interview earlier tonight:

Great, I'll go download. Thanks. Michele

SteveMacD

12-03-2013, 10:33 PM

The DJ asked her about Christine and Stevie said something along the lines of that she thought it was funny that supposedly Christine had to ask US to be back - it's HER BAND!! (LOL) She said, it'd be like, can I come in my own house?
Didn't that happen to Bob Welch?

PenguinHead

12-03-2013, 10:46 PM

You don't think the market is saturated with Fleetwood Mac just touring last year?

Fleetwood Mac performing on Austin City Limits is one of my biggest dreams! I do wonder if that would ever happen, though. None of Fleetwood Mac's peers have ever appeared on the show (Eagles, Aerosmith, Rolling Stones, Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd, Tom Petty, etc). So it makes me wonder if they don't book those kind of big acts. The show seems to focus more on emerging and lesser known bands... or solo artists who are showcasing side projects apart from their famous bands.

I am a harsh critic of the amount of time Fleetwood Mac takes to record an album, but there's another side to that coin. The EP was recorded quickly, and sounds like a thrown together mess. These 5 haven't recorded a studio album together in nearly 27 years. If they need to take their time to get their groove back and make it right, I'm all for that. I want the last Mac album to be a masterpiece, not something sloppily excreted like the EP.

I, as a huge long-time obsessive fan, feel I have also earned the right to be a harsh critic too. You share my feelings about the EP. A strange, half-ass anomaly in their history.

Fleetwood Mac is a strange animal, even among their peers. Even considering all their off-shoot solos albums, their body of released work is shockingly slim (discounting the compilations and live albums). Once was a time ago when bands had to produce at least one album a year, just to stay in the game.

I recall in 1982, when Mirage was released, the press hailed it as a reunion, since they hadn't recorded a new album since 1979...a long three years ago! Since then, that streak of productivity went out the window.

Compared to other bands of longevity and continued activity, their output is stingy. I guess we can ration it as quality over quantity (the concession being the solo work).

Phil

12-03-2013, 10:50 PM

I'm afraid Louie that if Mitchell Froom is brought in to produce an entire album, you'll get an extension of the Extended Play EP. Froom has produced many fine albums for other artists in the past, but his approach is a bit prosaic for the Mac. If Lindsey doesn't produce the sessions, they need to engage the services of someone who properly understands the layered wall of sound that encapsulates the band at it's best (circa Tusk). I don't know if Dave Stewart is up to the task or not, but someone like Daniel Lanois might be a good fit. They can't afford to **** this one up.

louielouie2000

12-03-2013, 11:13 PM

Just heard the Stevie interview. Very encouraging! I wasn't around during the Dance days, and I never dreamed I would get to see a Mac with Christine... Could it be? Could it really, really be?

I was around during the Dance era (lurking but not posting on the Ledge). This feels pretty similar... the small crumbs of information being dropped at a steady pace. Soon we'll have a full-on media onslaught of what's going down. But like Stevie said in her interview, it all hinges on John's health, and what Chris wants to do (record, tour, etc). I'm guessing the framework for everything has actually already been laid, the band just has to remain mum until they get their current contractual obligations out of the way (the 3 concerts).

Didn't that happen to Bob Welch?

I was unaware Bob asked to return to the band after he left? :confused:

jbrownsjr

12-03-2013, 11:29 PM

I'm really lovin' Stevie Nicks lately. She nailed it on the head. "Can I come back to my house." :lol:

SteveMacD

12-03-2013, 11:35 PM

I was unaware Bob asked to return to the band after he left? :confused:
He didn't (unless you count that time he offered to temporarily come back after Lindsey quit), but Bob DID have to ask if he could come in his own house at one point when he lived in L.A. way back when.

Phil

12-03-2013, 11:52 PM

Wow, I never knew that about Bob offering his services after Lindsey's departure (unless, of course, you're pulling my leg!). Now that would have been something...

SteveMacD

12-03-2013, 11:59 PM

I'm afraid Louie that if Mitchell Froom is brought in to produce an entire album, you'll get an extension of the Extended Play EP. Froom has produced many fine albums for other artists in the past, but his approach is a bit prosaic for the Mac.
I like the simpler approach. The Brian Wilson/Phil Spector/wall-of-sound thing is great on one level, except I don't like all of the extra musicians that come with it in concert, and it's been done. I just want to hear and see the five. (Okay, Brett can come along as an auxiliary player, but THAT'S IT).

Froom's work with Richard Thompson (especially "Dangerous Adventures," "Rumor and Sigh," and "Mirror Blue") was great because it was minimalist, yet tasteful. Not over the top, but not lacking, and it highlighted Thompson's talents as a writer and guitarist. At THIS stage in their career, this is exactly what Fleetwood Mac needs, IMO. They're the elder statesmen, not the kids trying to make a name for themselves.

If Lindsey doesn't produce the sessions, they need to engage the services of someone who properly understands the layered wall of sound that encapsulates the band at it's best (circa Tusk).
Sadly, that person is Richard Dashut, and they burned that bridge a long time ago.

I don't know if Dave Stewart is up to the task or not, but someone like Daniel Lanois might be a good fit. They can't afford to **** this one up.

Dave might be a good choice. However, I'm not sure if he's up to the strong wills within the band.

jbrownsjr

12-04-2013, 12:06 AM

They should bring Richard and Ken Caillat. That would be amazing..

SteveMacD

12-04-2013, 12:06 AM

Wow, I never knew that about Bob offering his services after Lindsey's departure (unless, of course, you're pulling my leg!). Now that would have been something...
http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/penguin/qa/bobwelch_qa1.htm

"I actually offered to fill in for Lindsey temporarily when he quit in '90 [sic], but it didn't happen. There's no "Paris" stuff on CD as far as I know. Cheers !"

jbrownsjr

12-04-2013, 09:17 AM

http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/penguin/qa/bobwelch_qa1.htm

"I actually offered to fill in for Lindsey temporarily when he quit in '90 [sic], but it didn't happen. There's no "Paris" stuff on CD as far as I know. Cheers !"

I wonder how that would have worked. Would he be able to sing LB tunes?

louielouie2000

12-04-2013, 09:27 AM

They should bring Richard and Ken Caillat. That would be amazing..

At one point I probably would have disagreed with you... that's going backwards, not forwards. But having heard the albums Ken has produced for his daughter Colbie, the man still has the magic touch; probably more so than ever. Colbie's albums sound more like classic Fleetwood Mac than anything the band has recorded in decades. There's an equal amount of layering & space... a magical formula Fleetwood Mac hasn't been able to replicate since their heyday.

That being said, the band has most certainly burned their bridges with Richard, and I suspect they may have with Ken, too. I can't see Fleetwood Mac courting Ken and/or Richard, but stranger things have happened when it comes to this band, that's for sure.

jbrownsjr

12-04-2013, 09:54 AM

At one point I probably would have disagreed with you... that's going backwards, not forwards. But having heard the albums Ken has produced for his daughter Colbie, the man still has the magic touch; probably more so than ever. Colbie's albums sound more like classic Fleetwood Mac than anything the band has recorded in decades. There's an equal amount of layering & space... a magical formula Fleetwood Mac hasn't been able to replicate since their heyday.

That being said, the band has most certainly burned their bridges with Richard, and I suspect they may have with Ken, too. I can't see Fleetwood Mac courting Ken and/or Richard, but stranger things have happened when it comes to this band, that's for sure.

Why have they burned their bridges? I know Ken would love to work with them again. But what happened with Richard?

louielouie2000

12-04-2013, 11:01 AM

Why have they burned their bridges? I know Ken would love to work with them again. But what happened with Richard?

According to Ken's book, they have both been frozen out of contact with the band for many years. Richard became disgusted with this some years ago, threw away all of his Fleetwood Mac memorabilia, and refuses to speak about his time with them anymore. It seems there was more involved than that; I need to reread Ken's book.

SteveMacD

12-04-2013, 11:14 AM

Why have they burned their bridges? I know Ken would love to work with them again. But what happened with Richard?

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?p=1045529

"Richard said that they’ve pretty much abandoned him. He would work for Lindsey three years straight without getting a check. He just took advantage of him. So, Richard, being a pretty sensitive guy, just sold and gave away every piece of Fleetwood Mac memorabilia he had."

jbrownsjr

12-04-2013, 11:42 AM

Thanks to both of you. I remember reading this actually. I wonder if anything has changed.

michelej1

12-04-2013, 12:23 PM

I know Richard was at two of Lindsey's solo concerts I saw in Vegas (Steve was with Richard). I wouldn't be surprised if he could be cajoled back to produce, but I don't think the band would be interested.

Thinking of Richard, I was just reading an article where Mick was talking about some condition (hypoglycemia?) he got which made him sick during a press conference and Christine rubbed his shoulders to try to give him release. Anyway, he said this illness gave him visions which came true. One of the visions he saw was a policeman with Richard and sure enough when he called Richard, Richard said that a policeman friend of his had visited the studio, while Mick was away.

Michele

jbrownsjr

12-04-2013, 02:53 PM

HomerMcvie

12-04-2013, 06:30 PM

Thinking of Richard, I was just reading an article where Mick was talking about some condition (hypoglycemia?) he got which made him sick during a press conference and Christine rubbed his shoulders to try to give him release.

Michele

And of course that's from Mick's book. I was wondering if they confused the story with Chris massaging Mick's shoulders during the press conference...

elle

12-04-2013, 08:52 PM

Thanks to both of you. I remember reading this actually. I wonder if anything has changed.

i remember reading that statement from Ken too, besides the ones that current FM band members don't answer his phone calls, and thinking how statements about Richard seem weird, considering:

a) Richard lived with Lindsey at the time he was according to Ken not getting paid ;
b) Richard and Steve were at Lindsey's show in Vegas i believe on UTS tour and Lindsey said they were his partners in crime or something like that - that they are to blame he was up there on that stage;
and last but not least:
c) that in 2012 Richard said he was very open to working with Lindsey.

aleuzzi

12-04-2013, 10:47 PM

At one point I probably would have disagreed with you... that's going backwards, not forwards. But having heard the albums Ken has produced for his daughter Colbie, the man still has the magic touch; probably more so than ever. Colbie's albums sound more like classic Fleetwood Mac than anything the band has recorded in decades. There's an equal amount of layering & space... a magical formula Fleetwood Mac hasn't been able to replicate since their heyday.

That being said, the band has most certainly burned their bridges with Richard, and I suspect they may have with Ken, too. I can't see Fleetwood Mac courting Ken and/or Richard, but stranger things have happened when it comes to this band, that's for sure.

The one exception to this is Patrick Leonard, whose production on "Love Shines" and "Heart of Stone" is exceptional. Eons better than Greg Ladanyi's production of "Behind the Mask" and even more creative than Dashut's production of songs on "Time."

sodascouts

12-04-2013, 10:51 PM

i remember reading that statement from Ken too, besides the ones that current FM band members don't answer his phone calls, and thinking how statements about Richard seem weird, considering:

a) Richard lived with Lindsey at the time he was according to Ken not getting paid ;
b) Richard and Steve were at Lindsey's show in Vegas i believe on UTS tour and Lindsey said they were his partners in crime or something like that - that they are to blame he was up there on that stage;
and last but not least:
c) that in 2012 Richard said he was very open to working with Lindsey.

agreed, elle; something doesn't quite add up....

aleuzzi

12-04-2013, 10:53 PM

I wonder how that would have worked. Would he be able to sing LB tunes?

Bob wold not have worked well in that vein. At the time, the band wanted someone who could fill in the vacancy left by Lindsey, someone who could also sing his songs. Bob was so creative and original but not at all compatible with those expectations. I also think that after Lindsey left, the band's big concern was commercial viability. Bob had ceased to be commercially viable years earlier.

This isn't to say his rejoining couldn't have produced a fascinating mix and change to the sound. I would have loved to have heard his talk/sing alongside Nicks. The band could have really pushed the mystical. Instead, they went straight up generic.

michelej1

12-04-2013, 11:11 PM

And of course that's from Mick's book. I was wondering if they confused the story with Chris massaging Mick's shoulders during the press conference...

Oh, my post may have read the wrong way. Mick was talking about being sick himself -- not that Richard was sick. He was just saying he had a vision of Richard while he was ill.

Michele

michelej1

12-04-2013, 11:12 PM

Which year?

Probably 2006.

Michele

michelej1

12-04-2013, 11:33 PM

On this station, "The Trash" they played clips of Stevie and were making fun of Stevie telling Christine it's a grueling 2 hour and 40 minute show and she can't just come and go by saying, yeah Fleetwood Mac is known for their stage diving and flying into the crowd and if Christine doesn't want to do that at 70 years old, she should just get out. And they said of the 26 songs that FM sings, Christine would have to do seven of them.

In other words, they didn't seem to think that the show FM puts on is that grueling. It was pretty funny, but kind of unfair, because I do think that the show FM puts on can take the energy out of you.

So, then they also commented on Stevie saying that if she had any ounce of psychic power in her body, she knew that John would be fine. They start playing Stevie about 1 minute into the clip.

Michele

http://kism.com/brad-and-john/the-trash-124/

jbrownsjr

12-05-2013, 12:08 AM

michelej1

12-05-2013, 12:31 AM

Hahaha!!!!!

And they also forgot to figure in the fact that although Chris would only be singing on 7 songs, she would be playing an instrument on about 25 of them, so it's not a walk in the park.

Michele

jbrownsjr

12-05-2013, 03:42 AM

And they also forgot to figure in the fact that although Chris would only be singing on 7 songs, she would be playing an instrument on about 25 of them, so it's not a walk in the park.

Michele

Not to mention she sings backup on just about every song.

Stevie is also funny.. like Christine can't understand at this point in her career that once she commits she can't just up and leave again. I'm gonna guess Christine is aware how hard touring is by now.

jbrownsjr

12-05-2013, 09:53 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_a6nJ9DWu8

Macfanforever

12-05-2013, 10:20 AM

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I almost fell off my chair LOL watching this video.

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I'msoAfraid95

12-05-2013, 02:52 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_a6nJ9DWu8

OMG!! :lol: ROTFL

I'msoAfraid95

12-05-2013, 02:55 PM

I think that Christine has probably already thought about how much hard grueling work and sacrifice she'll have to make. This isn't a lighthearted decision.

jbrownsjr

12-05-2013, 06:11 PM

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I almost fell off my chair LOL watching this video.

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Bandon

12-05-2013, 08:58 PM

Regarding the Access Hollywood interview, I think Stevie approaches Christine coming back into the group in a very realistic, sensible manner. Like Stevie says, "IT IS HER BAND...MCVIE...MAC..IT'S HERS" "We'll have see how the cards fall." Stevie wants to make sure Christine really knows what she's getting herself into. Spoken like a true friend. Stevie is even giving Lindsey a lot of credit in the interview. :nod:

michelej1

12-05-2013, 09:48 PM

So, Fleetwood Mac has changed, based on what Stevie said to Access. It's no longer like signing up to join the army. Instead, it's like signing on to do a movie. That's dangerously close to Lindsey's statement about painting and movie making, which I've been trying to escape.

Ok, I let Stevie slide when she said their stage show was 2 hours and 40 minutes long, but now she says it's almost 3 hours long.

I wouldn't say that FM rocks that hard. They don't do anything that they weren't doing when Christine was there anyway. First of all they like to put 3 flaming songs together -- but they did that with Chris. I'd actually like to see I Know I'm Not Wrong return. But Tusk, Stand Back and GYOW were all there with Christine. And so was Gold Dust Woman. GDW manages to sound a little different each go round and I look forward to hearing it with Christine back.

Rhiannon actually rocks LESS than it did when Christine was there. I hope it gets a little fire back.

Then, ISA does rock, but they've always done at least one song with a long guitar solo with Christine there as well. They never did Come while she was there, but heaven help Lindsey if he tries to put that thing back into an FM setlist.

Michele

SteveMacD

12-05-2013, 10:15 PM

They never did Come while she was there, but heaven help Lindsey if he tries to put that thing back into an FM setlist.
I think she'd think that song was hilarious. Really, it's no worse than "Rattlesnake Shake" and she did that one in Maui.

michelej1

12-05-2013, 10:17 PM

I think she'd think that song was hilarious. Really, it's no worse than "Rattlesnake Shake" and she did that one in Maui.

I didn't mean it that way. I don't think Christine would have anything morally against Come. She's not really the type to raise such concerns. I just think Lindsey will definitely not be able to have Come and ISA in the same FM setlist again, with 3 of them.

Michele

elle

12-05-2013, 10:19 PM

elle

12-05-2013, 10:20 PM

I didn't mean it that way. I don't think Christine would have anything morally against Come. She's not really the type to raise such concerns. I just think Lindsey will definitely not be able to have Come and ISA in the same FM setlist again, with 3 of them.

Michele

he won't. and that's fine. Come completely solo was spectacular and got standing Os every. single. time. he can continue doing it solo.

michelej1

12-05-2013, 10:28 PM

he won't. and that's fine. Come completely solo was spectacular and got standing Os every. single. time. he can continue doing it solo.

Unfortunately, the fact that Lindsey does a song with Fleetwood Mac does not deter him from doing it solo and, the fact that he does it solo does not stop him from doing it with Fleetwood Mac. I wish that were not the case.

I have nothing against Come solo. Indeed, Come sounded excellent during the OMS, which is more than I can say for other songs.

Michele

elle

12-05-2013, 10:57 PM

Unfortunately, the fact that Lindsey does a song with Fleetwood Mac does not deter him from doing it solo and, the fact that he does it solo does not stop him from doing it with Fleetwood Mac. I wish that were not the case.

I have nothing against Come solo. Indeed, Come sounded excellent during the OMS, which is more than I can say for other songs.

Michele

i know, i'm talking about how it would affect me. :lol: it wouldn't much.

the fact that he's not doing In Our Own Time with the Mac when other band members are doing solo songs just so they can have something rocking in the set is what does affect me. because i want to hear IOOT with the band. and i know that will never ever happen. :distress:

if he would do Walk a Thin Line solo, i would not care much whether he does it with the Mac. the fact that Christine will be back and that Mick says WATL is one of his favorite songs ever makes me want to hear it with the Mac (plus the fact that every time i went to m&g i kept telling Mick they need to do WATL... well other than that one time when i questioned why are they not doing Oh Well :p).

michelej1

12-05-2013, 11:01 PM

the fact that he's not doing In Our Own Time with the Mac when other band members are doing solo songs just so they can have something rocking in the set is what does affect me. because i want to hear IOOT with the band. and i know that will never ever happen. :distress:

Like you can have our band on solo songs:mad:

No, if you want IOOT, then you have to have Neale, Brett and Wally back on the road. You have to choose.

Michele

elle

12-05-2013, 11:08 PM

Like you can have our band on solo songs:mad:

No, if you want IOOT, then you have to have Neale, Brett and Wally back on the road. You have to choose.

Michele

i have them on Stand Back don't i?? lindsey is rallying the audience like crazy on that one.

that's why i want IOOT with the mac. because for solo my choice is clear - OMS! :thumbsup: :lol:

SteveMacD

12-05-2013, 11:13 PM

i have them on Stand Back don't i?? lindsey is rallying the audience like crazy on that one.

that's why i want IOOT with the mac. because for solo my choice is clear - OMS! :thumbsup: :lol:
Okay, then can we also get "Got A Hold On Me" in the set?

elle

12-05-2013, 11:16 PM

Okay, then can we also get "Got A Hold On Me" in the set?

sure. only fair.

michelej1

12-05-2013, 11:30 PM

i have them on Stand Back don't i??

You can have Sardonic World on the FM stage. You've never heard that live. So, that's your treat.:p

Michele

BlueDenimLamp

12-05-2013, 11:30 PM

I think that Christine has probably already thought about how much hard grueling work and sacrifice she'll have to make. This isn't a lighthearted decision.

lol. yeah, it's not like she hasn't been doing it for decades. and not like there's anything new in their setlist. or that there will be. ;)

This got me curious as to when the last time Christine toured the way FM has been touring recently...Going back through the tour schedules the last time she played 60+ shows was...Any guesses??? The Tusk tour...So to say she's been doing this for decades is an understatement...Stevie and Lindsey have both made it clear 60 to 80 2-1/2 hour shows is a lot of hard work... Your either in for 60 + shows or your not...

michelej1

12-05-2013, 11:38 PM

Your either in for 60 + shows or your not...

Well, I can't believe she would ever take it on if she wasn't going to follow through.

With The Dance, they weren't contracted for more than 30. It was only after the tickets flew out the window like doves that they had the opportunity to expand the tour and she declined. It's not like she changed her mind on them or anything. She did what she promised.

Michele

BlueDenimLamp

12-05-2013, 11:39 PM

Okay, then can we also get "Got A Hold On Me" in the set?

If we're going there lets see if the "Men Of Mac" can still rock...Let's put "Fall From Grace" or "Ghosts Are Gone" in the set...I would like to see what LB would do with them...

SteveMacD

12-05-2013, 11:40 PM

This got me curious as to when the last time Christine toured the way FM has been touring recently...Going back through the tour schedules the last time she played 60+ shows was...Any guesses??? The Tusk tour
"Behind The Mask" tour.

So to say she's been doing this for decades is an understatement...

She did it pretty consistently from 1967 through 1990.

Stevie and Lindsey have both made it clear 60 to 80 2-1/2 hour shows is a lot of hard work... Your either in for 60 + shows or your not...
Not really. The shows are more of a formality in the grand scheme of touring. Getting up on stage is really the reward. If anything, the interviews and all of that crap is a lot harder than performing. Given the scale of their tours, even the hard parts of touring really do not effect them much. They're not traveling in vans and loading their gear in and out. So, yes, there is work, but it's not the hardest job in the world by far.

elle

12-05-2013, 11:40 PM

This got me curious as to when the last time Christine toured the way FM has been touring recently...Going back through the tour schedules the last time she played 60+ shows was...Any guesses??? The Tusk tour...So to say she's been doing this for decades is an understatement...Stevie and Lindsey have both made it clear 60 to 80 2-1/2 hour shows is a lot of hard work... Your either in for 60 + shows or your not...

yeah. poor little millionaire rock stars.

actually i don't remember Lindsey ever saying touring is such hard work. he said it's hard because of the band politics, but not actual concerts. he usually says how hard he works in the studio compared to other band members. he and Mick do look like they work harder on the stage than other band members, but i don't remember them complaining about it being hard work.

now if i was SN, hard work would mostly be standing / walking around in those high heels... so i would ditch them and have fun instead of constantly having to watch when i might fall and break something.

I'msoAfraid95

12-05-2013, 11:47 PM

lol. yeah, it's not like she hasn't been doing it for decades. and not like there's anything new in their setlist. or that there will be. ;)
It's the same ole same ole. She'll just need more rest and less alcohol. :p

elle

12-05-2013, 11:48 PM

You can have Sardonic World on the FM stage. You've never heard that live. So, that's your treat.:p

Michele

i'm good with skipping that one thankyouverymuch. :lol:

together with Go Insane however much i love each and every version of that song. i can hear that solo.

michelej1

12-05-2013, 11:49 PM

actually i don't remember Lindsey ever saying touring is such hard work. he said it's hard because of the band politics, but not actual concerts. he usually says how hard he works in the studio compared to other band members. he and Mick do look like they work harder on the stage than other band members, but i don't remember them complaining about it being hard work.

Yeah, I don't think he's said it's hard at all, not the stage work, only the behind the scenes antics. Also, the boredom when they are not on stage that makes good people do bad things ;) .

Michele

elle

12-05-2013, 11:50 PM

It's the same ole same ole. She'll just need more rest and less alcohol. :p

and she rested for 15 years. and performed at the dance tour with no alcohol.

michelej1

12-05-2013, 11:50 PM

It's the same ole same ole. She'll just need more rest and less alcohol. :p

Now, there might lie a problem! She did it with (lots of) alcohol in the past. How will it be without liquor?

Michele

elle

12-05-2013, 11:52 PM

Yeah, I don't think he's said it's hard at all, not the stage work, only the behind the scenes antics. Also, the boredom when they are not on stage that makes good people do bad things ;) .

Michele

lol yeah. also, during OMS tour he said when someone asked him whether that's harder on him because he's up there alone the whole time, he said that tour was REALLY easy on him because the set was so short. (hello! lindsey? longer OMS set next time please, make it at least a bit hard on yourself!!)

michelej1

12-05-2013, 11:52 PM

i'm good with skipping that one thankyouverymuch. :lol:

This time, he could do it for Christine, because the world was calling her away.

Also, he could throw in a couple of lines about bridges. I learned they have not burned.

Michele

I'msoAfraid95

12-05-2013, 11:53 PM

Now, there might lie a problem! She did it with (lots of) alcohol in the past. How will it be without liquor?

Michele
I have no idea. Probably a little less interesting, if that's possible. :lol:

elle

12-05-2013, 11:54 PM

Now, there might lie a problem! She did it with (lots of) alcohol in the past. How will it be without liquor?

Michele

she was still drinking during the dance? i thought she wasn't anymore?

I'msoAfraid95

12-05-2013, 11:54 PM

and she rested for 15 years. and performed at the dance tour with no alcohol.

Well maybe it won't be as hard for her as I thought.

elle

12-05-2013, 11:55 PM

This time, he could do it for Christine, because the world was calling her away.

Also, he could throw in a couple of lines about bridges. I learned they have not burned.

Michele

she already heard it during the dance tour, no?

lol yeah definitely needs to explain to everybody what happened with those burned bridges.

michelej1

12-05-2013, 11:57 PM

she was still drinking during the dance? i thought she wasn't anymore?

No, you're right. She wasn't and someone said she was afraid she might start again.

Michele

SteveMacD

12-05-2013, 11:58 PM

This time, he could do it for Christine, because the world was calling her away.

Also, he could throw in a couple of lines about bridges. I learned they have not burned.
"I've learned that a burned bridge can still be rebuilt."

michelej1

12-05-2013, 11:58 PM

she already heard it during the dance tour, no?

She wasn't onstage for it. But yeah, she probably got the gist.

Michele

michelej1

12-05-2013, 11:59 PM

"I've learned that a burned bridge can still be rebuilt."

The bridge that separated them was a temporary one.

Michele

SteveMacD

12-06-2013, 12:02 AM

Can't they just 86 the pscyobabble altogether??? If I knew how to edit various YouTube clips together, I bet I could come up with a ten minute Lindsey Buckingham on stage therapy session. That does NOT rock.

MikeInNV

12-06-2013, 12:17 AM

she was still drinking during the dance? i thought she wasn't anymore?

Sharon Celani told me she didn't want to go on stage with them during London's Unleashed show because she thought she would need a drink, which she didn't want to do after going to rehab to stop. I got the impression that it was much more recent than The Dance. :shrug:

SteveMacD

12-06-2013, 12:25 AM

Sharon Celani told me she didn't want to go on stage with them during London's Unleashed show because she thought she would need a drink, which she didn't want to do after going to rehab to stop. I got the impression that it was much more recent than The Dance. :shrug:
Well, whatever the case, she's clearly past that stage.

jbrownsjr

12-06-2013, 01:17 PM

I would love to hear FM do, "You Are".

Hellolovely

12-06-2013, 09:20 PM

I didn't realize Chris had gone to rehab?

jbrownsjr

12-06-2013, 10:21 PM

I didn't realize Chris had gone to rehab?

I hadn't realized that either.

MikeInNV

12-06-2013, 11:47 PM

I didn't realize Chris had gone to rehab?

I didn't either until Sharon mentioned it. But now that I think about it, I met Sharon during a break from the Unleashed tour, and I think she was talking about why Christine didn't make an appearance on the SYW tour, so the rehab probably was quite a while back.

michelej1

12-07-2013, 05:13 PM

Stevie said that Christine will be going on a Safari in January. Interesting.

Send us pictures of you with the wild animals, Christine.

Stevie also speculated that Misty Day could have been raped by wolves. Mostly abandoned babies are RAISED by wolves, not raped by them, Stevenator.

Michele

michelej1

12-08-2013, 02:57 AM

Last week or so, when I was talking about Christine being in love, that was from 2001. I just found the interview. It was Stevie talking to a Massachusetts radio station in August 2001.

Valerie: You’re listening to Spotlight on Stevie Nicks, as we hear Fleetwood Mac, and Stevie’s female counterpart, Christine McVie. Stevie told me what Chistine’s up to these days, and joining another reunion of Fleetwood Mac is, apparently, not on her agenda.

Stevie: Well, she has a castle, you know, an incredible English castle , and she’s an incredible chef, and she’s an incredible gardener and she has lots of dogs and animals, and, she’s probably got horses by now and I think she’s going out with somebody. I think she’s in love. She’s not leaving.

SteveMacD

12-08-2013, 03:15 AM

Stevie: Well, she has a castle, you know, an incredible English castle , and she’s an incredible chef, and she’s an incredible gardener and she has lots of dogs and animals, and, she’s probably got horses by now and I think she’s going out with somebody. I think she’s in love. She’s not leaving.
Fast forward to 2013: Relationship over, dogs/animals dead, boring to cook for one, castles are lonely when all alone. F**k it, let's get the band back together. 60-80 shows? That ain't nothin'.

michelej1

12-08-2013, 03:29 AM

Fast forward to 2013: Relationship over, dogs/animals dead, boring to cook for one, castles are lonely when all alone.

But she can still garden.

Michele

SteveMacD

12-08-2013, 04:30 AM

But she can still garden.
Sure, why not?

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Ulpian

12-08-2013, 06:46 AM

louielouie2000

12-08-2013, 11:15 AM

Interesting on that Billboard interview which Stevie just gave that she doesn't really know if she believes that Christine wants to rejoin. The interview seemed far more riddled with doubt than some of the others I've read.

I honestly think that she's just playing coy. It seems pretty much like the stage is set for Christine to return. John needs to wind down his treatments, and then Fleetwood Mac has to fulfill it's 3 (non Christine) show obligations. The band won't announce anything official until those are taken care of. After that, all their managers, etc will probably gather & hammer out the details. I just don't think any of them can say anything terribly official until some of these things have come to pass.

vivfox

12-08-2013, 11:40 AM

I just don't think any of them can say anything terribly official until some of these things have come to pass.

Maybe they will let Sheryl Crow make the announcement.:lol:

jbrownsjr

12-08-2013, 02:39 PM

Maybe they will let Sheryl Crow make the announcement.:lol:

Let's not give Lindsey a heart attack. lol

Macfanforever

12-08-2013, 04:26 PM

Maybe they will let Sheryl Crow make the announcement.:lol:

I love Sheryl Crow.Maybe she can give FM some country twang.

Macfanforever

12-08-2013, 04:28 PM

Sure, why not?

http://0.tqn.com/d/inventors/1/0/U/9/ramchia.jpg

I just saw the Chia Duck Dynasty on TV last night.

I love to see the Chia FM LOL...

Macfanforever

12-08-2013, 04:32 PM

This is a classic .I love this video.Thanks to jbrownsjr for finding it.

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/R_a6nJ9DWu8?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Also get a load of this video .

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Z264I9ybUuA?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Hahahahahahaaa.LOL..

jbrownsjr

12-08-2013, 07:27 PM

^^^ good lord!!

SteveMacD

12-08-2013, 07:32 PM

I just saw the Chia Duck Dynasty on TV last night.

I love to see the Chia FM LOL...
It would just be Lindsey. Mick and John are too bald. :laugh:

Macfanforever

12-09-2013, 01:31 AM

It would just be Lindsey. Mick and John are too bald. :laugh:

Not really .Chia-pet just have to date it back to the 1970's Rumours era also with Stevie and Christine.LOL with green hair.....

Ch,Ch Ch Chia....

I'msoAfraid95

12-09-2013, 11:19 AM

It would just be Lindsey. Mick and John are too bald. :laugh:

Are there any semi recent pictures of John without a hat on?

michelej1

12-09-2013, 02:27 PM

Are there any semi recent pictures of John without a hat on?

I can't remember any. That reminds me of the Tusk photo shoot when the photographer was trying to get John to take off his hat. I think John actually heard him, but was pretending not to.

Michele

elle

12-09-2013, 02:48 PM

It would just be Lindsey. Mick and John are too bald. :laugh:

with Lindsey following close behind (although less and less every day, i guess he started whatever hair regrowth treatment he's been doing in time). ;)

I'msoAfraid95

12-09-2013, 03:01 PM

Mick started going bald before he turned 30! :lol:

michelej1

12-09-2013, 03:06 PM

Frankly, I don't think the perennial caps help. In fact, I think they may accelerate hair loss.

My piece of medical advice for today.

Michele

jbrownsjr

12-09-2013, 04:07 PM

chiliD

12-09-2013, 06:38 PM

Frankly, I don't think the perennial caps help. In fact, I think they may accelerate hair loss.

My piece of medical advice for today.

Michele

Constant cap is not a good look.. my fashion advice for today..

Well, if baseball players are any reference, most of them are bald, balding or have a definite "friar's patch" on the back of their head, depending on how long they've played the game.

Same is true for cowboys & country singers who wear hats constantly.

Main reason why I RARELY wear a hat. EVER. (I don't even use the hood of my hoodies, either)

I'msoAfraid95

12-09-2013, 07:32 PM

My dad wore caps just about everyday of his adult life. He still had thick black/gray hair the day he died at age 49.
I think it's genetics more than the hats.

HomerMcvie

12-09-2013, 07:39 PM

Well, if baseball players are any reference, most of them are bald, balding or have a definite "friar's patch" on the back of their head, depending on how long they've played the game.

Same is true for cowboys & country singers who wear hats constantly.

Main reason why I RARELY wear a hat. EVER. (I don't even use the hood of my hoodies, either)

It's not true, boys. I never wore a hat, until the damage was done!:lol: So quit blamin' the hat!

michelej1

12-09-2013, 11:16 PM

My dad wore caps just about everyday of his adult life. He still had thick black/gray hair the day he died at age 49.
I think it's genetics more than the hats.

I agree that it's mainly genetics. I just think the friction of having a cap rub against your scalp on an almost daily basis might accelerate the hair loss, if you are prone to suffer it in the first place.

Now, what about gray hair? I think I have seen both John and Lindsey's get suspiciously darker in the past, but I haven't caught Mick coloring his hair. Maybe I just didn't notice.

Michele

Macfanforever

12-10-2013, 01:27 AM

Lindsey looks great with his hair.It could be alot of different things that cause hair loss.Stress,medication,eating habits and other including what was mentioned here.

Stevie loves to wear hats.I dont know about Christine.

My dad always wear hats and he was thinning and never turn grey even at 79 when I lost him .

He always wear baseball cap to cover his thinning spot on back of his head and keep the sun out of his eyes. He was buried with his favorite cap which he always had on and it said US Army 101 Airborne veteran on it.

Back on track.I'm not familiar with The Guardian but I'm tired of these papers with their bull crap reporting about people.Today at the check out the Globe I think it was is already predicting which celebs will die soon.Thats terrible .

Ulpian

12-10-2013, 08:35 AM

Back on track.I'm not familiar with The Guardian but I'm tired of these papers with their bull crap reporting about people.Today at the check out the Globe I think it was is already predicting which celebs will die soon.Thats terrible .

The Guardian is a reputable broadsheet newspaper here. The only thing it can be properly accused of is a heavy liberal bias in its social and political commentary, for which it is - rightly, in my view - totally unapologetic.

MoonSister75

12-10-2013, 11:01 AM

The Guardian is a reputable broadsheet newspaper here. The only thing it can be properly accused of is a heavy liberal bias in its social and political commentary, for which it is - rightly, in my view - totally unapologetic.

Yes that's a good description. I like the Guardian, not that I read it very often.

Back on track.I'm not familiar with The Guardian but I'm tired of these papers with their bull crap reporting about people.Today at the check out the Globe I think it was is already predicting which celebs will die soon.Thats terrible .

We have plenty of those papers and magazines too! Full of crappy celebrity gossip :shrug:

jbrownsjr

12-10-2013, 11:37 AM

Macfanforever

12-10-2013, 12:25 PM

The Guardian is a reputable broadsheet newspaper here. The only thing it can be properly accused of is a heavy liberal bias in its social and political commentary, for which it is - rightly, in my view - totally unapologetic.

Yes that's a good description. I like the Guardian, not that I read it very often.

We have plenty of those papers and magazines too! Full of crappy celebrity gossip :shrug:

I tend to like the Guardian.

Thanks guys.I wasn't sure about the Guardian.

I remember years back one of the papers here in the states mentioned that FM was going to hit the road before it surfaced anywhere else.To come to think about it I think it was the National Enquirer would you believe.

They were actually right and true for once.

teedeerocks

12-10-2013, 11:55 PM

;)With regard to Stevie's perceived ego, I never considered it to be out of control in the past, but these days it seems to be off the Richter scale. This realisation has been difficult for me to accept because previously, I idolised the woman. I still retain a profound regard for her body of work up until 1990 and various output since, but the sense of self-importance that has become so evident during interviews in recent years has left me cold. I'm not sure if this inflation of ego has been in response to what she considers the mistreatment and disrespect afforded to her in the past by band members, producers and critics, but whatever it might be, she is no longer a person I would care to know.

I couldn't have said it better myself.She was just plain sarcastic when she said Chris "doesn't have to be invited back because she is the Mac-y'know-MAC-vie".First of all she isn't the MAC-John is.Chris only got the MAC through marriage.Her personality totally changed-maybe she's hanging with Lindsey too much.Or,as far fetched as this sounds,maybe her mom kept her in check and told her to wise up when her attitude needed adjusting.But now that her mom is gone,maybe she needs someone to mentally kick her butt.Let me at her......;)

SteveMacD

12-11-2013, 12:34 AM

secondhandchain

12-11-2013, 12:41 AM

Lindsey should dye his hair...just sayin

SteveMacD

12-11-2013, 12:58 AM

Lindsey should dye his hair...just sayin

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HomerMcvie

12-11-2013, 02:01 AM

Even though he's still skinny and athletic looking, Linds is aging pretty hard. Hairline is running away in the front, and the wrinkles are catching him in the race.:mad::shrug:

bombaysaffires

12-11-2013, 02:15 AM

Even though he's still skinny and athletic looking, Linds is aging pretty hard. Hairline is running away in the front, and the wrinkles are catching him in the race.:mad::shrug:

Well geez, the guy qualifies for social security, I mean come on..... :lol:

HomerMcvie

12-11-2013, 03:11 AM

Well geez, the guy qualifies for social security, I mean come on..... :lol:

I KNOW!:mad: And it sucks!:lol: How can my "heroes" be approaching "hard to find" statuses, with cemetery addresses?:shrug:

~As I listen to a Bank of America commercial(while typing this), with Never Going Back Again, playing.~

louielouie2000

12-11-2013, 10:40 AM

;)

I couldn't have said it better myself.She was just plain sarcastic when she said Chris "doesn't have to be invited back because she is the Mac-y'know-MAC-vie".First of all she isn't the MAC-John is.Chris only got the MAC through marriage.Her personality totally changed-maybe she's hanging with Lindsey too much.Or,as far fetched as this sounds,maybe her mom kept her in check and told her to wise up when her attitude needed adjusting.But now that her mom is gone,maybe she needs someone to mentally kick her butt.Let me at her......;)

I don't think she was being hateful towards Christine one iota. I think Stevie was just expressing that (the Rumours incarnation of) Fleetwood Mac is like a family. Even if you spend time away from your family, you never have to ask permission to come back to the dinner table. It's just understood that you're always welcome.

Even though he's still skinny and athletic looking, Linds is aging pretty hard. Hairline is running away in the front, and the wrinkles are catching him in the race.:mad::shrug:

The way he brushes his hair back and plasters it to the top of this head definitely does him no favors. I would never, ever consider him athletic looking, either. But I think Linds has gotten to the point in his life where he just doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks about him, and that's a beautiful thing. :nod:

vivfox

12-11-2013, 11:44 AM

I KNOW!:mad: And it sucks!:lol: How can my "heroes" be approaching "hard to find" statuses, with cemetery addresses?:shrug:

Well I know Stevie is not one of your heroes and that you really don't care for her at all, but my goodness, she's actually a senior citizen. Surely you must have some respect for the old lady.:lol:

MoonSister75

12-11-2013, 11:57 AM

They are around the same age as my parents, who look at me in shock, horror and disbelief, when I talk about the number of dates that FM do on their tours. I think they are all doing amazingly well for their age!

HomerMcvie

12-11-2013, 12:07 PM

The way he brushes his hair back and plasters it to the top of this head definitely does him no favors. I would never, ever consider him athletic looking, either. But I think Linds has gotten to the point in his life where he just doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks about him, and that's a beautiful thing. :nod:

I agree on all counts. Eraserhead is his signature look, but he'd look like he has more, if he'd do something else with it!

And I agree that now that he's married with kids, and he is old, that he's accepted it all. And that is beautiful.:eek:

HomerMcvie

12-11-2013, 12:16 PM

Well I know Stevie is not one of your heroes and that you really don't care for her at all, but my goodness, she's actually a senior citizen. Surely you must have some respect for the old lady.:lol:

I used to love her, but(and I've said this many times) the insanity of her fanbase drove me away from her, and into the arms of the others!

MikeInNV

12-11-2013, 09:38 PM

I used to love her, but(and I've said this many times) the insanity of her fanbase drove me away from her, and into the arms of the others!

But why should her fans affect the way you feel about her?

And btw, I'm a chiff and I'm really cool. ;)

SteveMacD

12-11-2013, 09:56 PM

But why should her fans affect the way you feel about her?

And btw, I'm a chiff and I'm really cool. ;)
Well, speaking for myself, it's the "We love you Stevie" screams when Christine is doing an intro for "Oh Daddy," the chiffon at a Peter Green/Splinter Group at Wilbur's in Cleveland, and the chiffon at a Mick Fleetwood's Zoo show when Bekka Bramlett was in the band (though that makes MUCH more sense than at the Peter Green show).

Mostly, though, it's that notion that Stevie Nicks is the only reason Fleetwood Mac is a popular band, that anything prior to 1975 the band was just playing blues and was unsuccessful, and that how dare the band go on with a "hussy"/"Stevie wannabe" like Bekka Bramlett. They refuse to acknowledge that the band already had a legitimate greatest hits album in Europe prior to 1975, that in twelve albums the band had never been dropped, that Christine McVie had more hit singles with the band, and that Stevie (like everyone else in the band) is NOT as big on her own as she is as a member of Fleetwood Mac.

I know not all chiffon-heads are like that, but it adds up.

Also, I think Stevie has been hit-or-miss, with more misses, since 1983. She uses a lot of the same vocal runs throughout an album, EVERY album, anymore.

aleuzzi

12-11-2013, 10:08 PM

Well, speaking for myself, it's the "We love you Stevie" screams when Christine is doing an intro for "Oh Daddy," the chiffon at a Peter Green/Splinter Group at Wilbur's in Cleveland, and the chiffon at a Mick Fleetwood's Zoo show when Bekka Bramlett was in the band (though that makes MUCH more sense than at the Peter Green show).

Mostly, though, it's that notion that Stevie Nicks is the only reason Fleetwood Mac is a popular band, that anything prior to 1975 the band was just playing blues and was unsuccessful, and that how dare the band go on with a "hussy"/"Stevie wannabe" like Bekka Bramlett. They refuse to acknowledge that the band already had a legitimate greatest hits album in Europe prior to 1975, that in twelve albums the band had never been dropped, that Christine McVie had more hit singles with the band, and that Stevie (like everyone else in the band) is NOT as big on her own as she is as a member of Fleetwood Mac.

I know not all chiffon-heads are like that, but it adds up.

Also, I think Stevie has been hit-or-miss, with more misses, since 1983. She uses a lot of the same vocal runs throughout an album, EVERY album, anymore.

All of this is unfortunately true. It was Stevie who lured me in when I was 11 (1982). We had Rumours at home and I had heard every inch of that album by the time I was 10. But when "Gypsy" came out I was hooked. Thing is, the minute I bought Mirage and returned to Rumours, Stevie wasn't enough. I found myself really taken with Christine. For me, the turning point was when that same year I heard "Say You Love Me" and this sound made me shiver with excitement. I had NEVER heard a lead voice carry a song like this. By 1983, I had most of the pre-1975 albums and realized this was a band with MANY heroes.

I think Stevie's new solo work is excellent, and I like the way she has grown into her vocals and is making the most of a diminished range. But I get sooooooooooo annoyed, for instance, when I'm watching a YouTube clip of a Christine performance or some pre-BN song and there's all manner of Stevie madness in the comments. Yes, she is great, but when she isn't out front or present, try to enjoy what is in front of you, or don't say anything at all.

michelej1

12-11-2013, 10:12 PM

I don't think she was being hateful towards Christine one iota. I think Stevie was just expressing that (the Rumours incarnation of) Fleetwood Mac is like a family. Even if you spend time away from your family, you never have to ask permission to come back to the dinner table. It's just understood that you're always welcome.

Yes, I don't think she was being sarcastic. I mean, she was saying that she thinks Christine is being a little disingenous suggesting she is waiting to be asked. So, her response to Christine saying that was a little arch. On the other hand, Christine was being a little precious when she said it, so touche. But Stevie was also saying that FM is Christine's home, no matter how long she's been gone. She's still part of the band and can return any time she wants.

The way he brushes his hair back and plasters it to the top of this head definitely does him no favors. I would never, ever consider him athletic looking, either.

No, I wouldn't say athletic when I see that soft tummy of his. Now, to me he is more shaving some of his hair behind the receding hairline and then after the shave point, he was fluffing the rest straight up in the air. He seems to be kind of making a straight edge or something. I don't know what you mean about plastering.

Michele

BlueDenimLamp

12-11-2013, 10:41 PM

http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r663/Nicksiannation/hair_zps04b3b298.png (http://s1361.photobucket.com/user/Nicksiannation/media/hair_zps04b3b298.png.html)

I think the "Art Garfunkel Look" is working well for Bucky :lol:

Macfanforever

12-11-2013, 11:18 PM

elle

12-11-2013, 11:41 PM

i'm looking through these posts and then checking the date on my calendar... yup, 2013!

eraser look? high forehead? are you all stuck in 2011??

haven't you seen Lindsey in 2012 or 2013? :confused: the man is gorgeous and aging like a fine wine (albeit with the slight help of hair club for men or similar :D).

elle

12-11-2013, 11:57 PM

But why should her fans affect the way you feel about her?

read the tirade in one of the comments here:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=664049366949974&set=a.182250205129895.37766.173358559352393&type=1&theater

you learn to mostly ignore stuff like this, but doesn't mean it's not annoying.

MikeInNV

12-12-2013, 12:12 AM

BlueDenimLamp

12-12-2013, 01:31 AM

Mostly, though, it's that notion that Stevie Nicks is the only reason Fleetwood Mac is a popular band, that anything prior to 1975 the band was just playing blues and was unsuccessful, and that how dare the band go on with a "hussy"/"Stevie wannabe" like Bekka Bramlett. They refuse to acknowledge that the band already had a legitimate greatest hits album in Europe prior to 1975, that in twelve albums the band had never been dropped, that Christine McVie had more hit singles with the band, and that Stevie (like everyone else in the band) is NOT as big on her own as she is as a member of Fleetwood Mac.

I know not all chiffon-heads are like that, but it adds up.

Also, I think Stevie has been hit-or-miss, with more misses, since 1983. She uses a lot of the same vocal runs throughout an album, EVERY album, anymore.

It's not the fans that refuse to acknowledge FM's success during the years Stevie / Lindsey weren't in the band it's the band and WB that tries to sweep the non SN/LB years under the carpet...I think it would be great if they didn't just focus on the Rumours thing...

As far as Stevie goes you can't have it both ways...You enjoy the success and visibility she brings FM but you don't like all the attention she gets...Christine may have had more hits but Stevie's FM songs have probably made more money...Yes FM is bigger than Stevie solo but Stevie solo is most likely bigger than LB,CM,MF and JM solo put together profit wise...As Stevie said a long time ago the other band members can have big solo careers if they want them all they need to do is go after it...

elle

12-12-2013, 09:34 AM

It's not the fans that refuse to acknowledge FM's success during the years Stevie / Lindsey weren't in the band it's the band and WB that tries to sweep the non SN/LB years under the carpet...I think it would be great if they didn't just focus on the Rumours thing...
agree with you there. probably most people on these boards do.

As far as Stevie goes you can't have it both ways...You enjoy the success and visibility she brings FM but you don't like all the attention she gets...
wait, wait... speaking for myself - no i do not. i'd rather LB tours solo, and has nothing to do with FM. he seems to enjoy the area adulation and visibility, not necessarily his fans.

As Stevie said a long time ago the other band members can have big solo careers if they want them all they need to do is go after it...
you must see how strange this logic is. so are you saying all the great and talented bands that are not hugely successful just don't want it enough?? or by extension all the people who can't find good jobs in their respective fields just don't want them enough? people go after stuff, success is a strange combination of luck, serendipity, talent, hard work, etc, etc.

if it's SN that says stuff like what you stated, you are partly answering your own question of why people's annoyance with her fans translates to her - seems that many things her fans keep repeating originate from her statements which some people seem to take as gospel.

vivfox

12-12-2013, 09:56 AM

read the tirade in one of the comments here:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=664049366949974&set=a.182250205129895.37766.173358559352393&type=1&theater

you learn to mostly ignore stuff like this, but doesn't mean it's not annoying.
If you only knew how us Stevie fans wish she was the one hopping around on the Fleetwood Mac stage. We find it very frustrating that she tends to stand still most of the show. I think what Lindsey brings to the live setting is terrific. He always brings endless youthful energy and I really enjoy watching him. Sometimes his guitar solos feel endless but that is what he does. He plays guitar. He's entitled to have extended solos.

Dex

12-12-2013, 10:56 AM

if it's SN that says stuff like what you stated, you are partly answering your own question of why people's annoyance with her fans translates to her - seems that many things her fans keep repeating originate from her statements which some people seem to take as gospel.

Yes. I think fans to have a tendency to take every off-the-cuff remark out of Stevie's mouth far more seriously than she would ever imagine. And they are often resistant to the notion that people can change their minds or rethink things very quickly. I know many fans are hungry for all they can get their hands on when it comes to Stevie, but it just gets silly. If people picked apart everything I said and held me to every off-the-cuff comment I've ever made, I have no idea what they'd think of me, but I've no doubt it would be pretty distorted.

michelej1

12-12-2013, 02:32 PM

If you only knew how us Stevie fans wish she was the one hopping around on the Fleetwood Mac stage. \

And she WOULD be hopping around the stage if she still could. She used to do that. Leaping and jumping and twirling and running, sometimes as part of a song and sometimes just as a result of natural exuberance. The only thing she chooses is her footwear. Different (less attractive) shoes might accommodate her physical limitations more and give her more endurance and I would welcome those, ugly reeboks or not. But in the end, arthritis or osteoporosis has impacted her a bit.

For one-off appearances she's more her old self, she moves and sings differently, when she knows she won't have to sustain that for dozens of shows. But when she knows it's a long tour, she's got to reserve her resources and not take risks.

She can't be a whirlwind physically. It's not like what she does is a choice and not as if what Lindsey is doing is different from what he's always done in FM. I can find 35 year old reviews talking about his crazy energy, just like they talk about it today. He can do what he used to do for 2-3 hours (and I guess goes comatose after) and Stevie can't do what she used to do. He didn't just decide to do it to steal her thunder. He's always been doing it. She used to do it.

Michele

SteveMacD

12-12-2013, 02:45 PM

As far as Stevie goes you can't have it both ways...You enjoy the success and visibility she brings FM but you don't like all the attention she gets...
Huh? I DON'T enjoy the success and visibility she brings Fleetwood Mac. I'd much rather see Mick, John, Christine, and Lindsey do theater tours than see the five piece play arenas any day of the week.

mylittledemon

12-12-2013, 05:54 PM

As far as Stevie goes you can't have it both ways...You enjoy the success and visibility she brings FM but you don't like all the attention she gets...Christine may have had more hits but Stevie's FM songs have probably made more money...Yes FM is bigger than Stevie solo but Stevie solo is most likely bigger than LB,CM,MF and JM solo put together profit wise...As Stevie said a long time ago the other band members can have big solo careers if they want them all they need to do is go after it...

I daresay that statement actually lends us to getting back on topic. If Christine wrote more "hits"... then doesn't that stand to reason that her songs are capable of being (if not flat out) responsible for more sales? Tango In The Night for example was the band's biggest seller (other than Rumours) and it had tons of "Chris hits." Now then, go look at the current line up and Say You Will... the album sales weren't a runaway, though the tour was a giant. I'd say without Christine, the band as a whole has suffered, and Stevie still being in the band hasn't kept the group elevated the enough to maintain the "success" you keep referring to. It's all of them equally. Not just Stevie.

HomerMcvie

12-12-2013, 08:08 PM

Johnny Stew

12-12-2013, 11:53 PM

There are many times I roll my eyes at the bone-headed utterances from some of Stevie's fans. Responses in the comments section of articles or YouTube videos, or things they say on The Ledge. I'm a die-hard Stevie fan, and I know there have been times when I've been accused of defending her every move (an unfair criticism, but, hey, it comes with the territory), but some folks truly do take it to nauseating levels. They make you embarrassed to admit that you have anything in common with them.

However, I've encountered plenty of Lindsey and (to a much lesser extent) Christine fans who are equally over-the-top. There may be less of them (that's not a dig), so that's why their behavior may seem less oppressive... but they're out there (and in here).

I can relate when people like David (HomerMcVie) say that Stevie's fans have soured them on her, because some of Lindsey's fans have definitely soured him for me at times. And he was always my second favorite Maccer... so that's saying a lot.

I try not to let other fans effect my enjoyment though... it tends to feel somewhat irrational. Lindsey is no more responsible for his fans than Stevie is for her fans. But I think it's only human to sometimes think of their fans when thinking of them.

elle

12-13-2013, 12:08 AM

However, I've encountered plenty of Lindsey and (to a much lesser extent) Christine fans who are equally over-the-top. There may be less of them (that's not a dig), so that's why their behavior may seem less oppressive... but they're out there (and in here).

just curious since we gave some [milder] examples of what annoys some Christine or Lindsey fans - as a Stevie fan, give us some examples of over the top behavior you are referring to?

as a lindseyfan, i'm obviously biased, but you don't usually hear of most buck fan behavior being nearly as over-the-top as chiff fan behavior. :shrug:

elle

12-13-2013, 12:14 AM

I daresay that statement actually lends us to getting back on topic. If Christine wrote more "hits"... then doesn't that stand to reason that her songs are capable of being (if not flat out) responsible for more sales? Tango In The Night for example was the band's biggest seller (other than Rumours) and it had tons of "Chris hits." Now then, go look at the current line up and Say You Will... the album sales weren't a runaway, though the tour was a giant. I'd say without Christine, the band as a whole has suffered, and Stevie still being in the band hasn't kept the group elevated the enough to maintain the "success" you keep referring to. It's all of them equally. Not just Stevie.

not sure how true, but this theory sounds as good as any, and actually more plausible. i guess if they would somehow have extremely successful album with Christine next (although frankly i don't expect they'll ever have extremely successful album saleswise anymore, and they really don't need that), that would land some more credence to it.

applebucked

12-13-2013, 01:08 AM

iamnotafraid

12-13-2013, 03:18 AM

Who here believes that St. Nicks would be so welcoming
if not for the fact she confidently knows who the star of
band is?

Without Stevie there is no financially successful Fleetwood Mac.
That's just the facts.

At this point I consider myself more of a Buckingham fan than
Nicks. Mostly because she hasn't put out a good album in over
twenty years, and Lindsey has.

$tevie = money.

mylittledemon

12-13-2013, 03:43 AM

Without Stevie there is no financially successful Fleetwood Mac.
That's just the facts.

Debatable.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpost.php?p=1113916&postcount=651

;)

MoonSister75

12-13-2013, 04:36 AM

I'm a Stevie fan because her lyrics speak to me most. But I believe that all FM members are equal when it comes to generating the money these days. Its seems like its been Lindsey, Mick and John (?) pushing for the tours - and these are the big money spinners. I get the feeling that a vast majority of those buying concert tickets are FM (rather than just Stevie) fans.

SteveMacD

12-13-2013, 08:49 AM

Without Stevie there is no financially successful Fleetwood Mac.
That's just the facts.
They did pretty well with Peter Green...

Anyway, I'm sure Mick, John, Chris, and Lindsey going out as Fleetwood Mac could be as viable as solo Stevie. It's never been done, and Stevie won't let that happen, but I think they would still be successful and unmistakably Fleetwood Mac.

applebucked

12-13-2013, 09:20 AM

elle

12-13-2013, 10:05 AM

They did pretty well with Peter Green...

Anyway, I'm sure Mick, John, Chris, and Lindsey going out as Fleetwood Mac could be as viable as solo Stevie. It's never been done, and Stevie won't let that happen, but I think they would still be successful and unmistakably Fleetwood Mac.

Honestly speaking, I would've preferred that.

me too, without a doubt. plus, that would test mylittledemon's theory below.

Debatable.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpost.php?p=1113916&postcount=651
;)

so far we had runours-era FM without Lindsey but with Stevie and Christine (didn't do too well, right?), without Christine but with Stevie and Lindsey (SYW), but we never had rumours-era FM without Stevie and with just Lindsey and Christine.

SteveMacD

12-13-2013, 10:14 AM

so far we had runours-era FM without Lindsey but with Stevie and Christine (didn't do too well, right?)
While I don't think there was a significant difference in sales, I think BTM did slightly better than SYW.

MikeInNV

12-13-2013, 01:31 PM

as a lindseyfan, i'm obviously biased, but you don't usually hear of most buck fan behavior being nearly as over-the-top as chiff fan behavior. :shrug:

You have that in common with the chiffs that get under your skin so much. ;)

iamnotafraid

12-13-2013, 03:06 PM

Debatable.

;)

Not talking about the past, present day my brother.

iamnotafraid

12-13-2013, 03:12 PM

They did pretty well with Peter Green..

Again, not talking about the past.
Present day brother.

Without Stevie it's a different ball
game.

mylittledemon

12-13-2013, 03:17 PM

SteveMacD

12-13-2013, 03:55 PM

^Mmm... still debatable though. I think it would be a financial blow to the band if Stevie left, but then someone might argue that since SYW, the band hasn't been money-bags successful (aside from touring) anyway. In Your Dreams didn't exactly light up the charts... and I don't think if the band did another round of the current "foursome" lineup in the studio that afterwards they'd have much success in sales. Clearly they need the magic of all 5 back. Stevie is a part of that, like they all are... Imagine if Lindsey left the band (God forbid) again and Chris came back. I can't imagine anyone would care so much about a Chris, Stevie, John, Mick lineup and you'd have a financial blow yet again.
But, what if Stevie left and Chris came back? I'm not sure how much of a financial blow that would really be.

It's academic, since Stevie's not going anywhere if Christine comes back.

MikeInNV

12-13-2013, 04:01 PM

^Mmm... still debatable though. I think it would be a financial blow to the band if Stevie left, but then someone might argue that since SYW, the band hasn't been money-bags successful (aside from touring) anyway. In Your Dreams didn't exactly light up the charts... and I don't think if the band did another round of the current "foursome" lineup in the studio that afterwards they'd have much success in sales. Clearly they need the magic of all 5 back. Stevie is a part of that, like they all are... Imagine if Lindsey left the band (God forbid) again and Chris came back. I can't imagine anyone would care so much about a Chris, Stevie, John, Mick lineup and you'd have a financial blow yet again.

That may be overestimating the effect that Christine's return would have on album sales. IYD did about as well as I could have expected, and better than many of the latest releases by Stevie's peers. I think a new studio album from Fleetwood Mac would fare similarly, even with all five members. The 70s and 80s are history. In order to "light up" the charts, they would have to sell to a lot of people young enough to be their grandchildren.

SteveMacD

12-13-2013, 04:13 PM

That may be overestimating the effect that Christine's return would have on album sales. IYD did about as well as I could have expected, and better than many of the latest releases by Stevie's peers. I think a new studio album from Fleetwood Mac would fare similarly, even with all five members. The 70s and 80s are history. In order to "light up" the charts, they would have to sell to a lot of people young enough to be their grandchildren.
I think it all depends on the type of marketing campaign. I don't see it lighting up the charts, but I think they could still do well.

Newzchspy

12-13-2013, 04:14 PM

Not talking about the past, present day my brother.

Again, not talking about the past.
Present day brother.

Without Stevie it's a different ball
game.

Well, that ^ ^ ^ may be the case, BUT you ALL have to remember that music is first and foremost a business and NOT necessarily a band of 5 getting together just because they LOVE to do what they love to do!!

The fact is, FM became a very wealthy act after Rumors, to a degree that none of them expected. Problem is, everyone had their hand in that "Tour till" and it ultimately (and subsequent tours as well) made lil or no money. Mick, with his "wildly spendy ways" wound up BK and sleeping on a couch in someone's basement in the 80s as a member of one of the largest acts in the world. So, are we equating success and who makes the $$ in the band with how well their tour did or what they actually KEPT after everyone was paid??? $$ Advantage: Stevie

Fast Forward to modern day and FM is still a business. Sure, a large percentage of ticket buyers go to see Stevie and she is surely "THE DRAW" on ALL nights, BUT FM in and of itself is still a largely successful touring tour de force. Would they come if Stevie weren't in the line-up? I 'd reckon that many would NOT, stating the same familiar refrain that its JUST NOT the same. Does Stevie care?? I am not sure that she does from a business standpoint since she has so many singer/songwriter royalties that the checks can't be cashed fast enough. This leaves the band in the unenviable position of "dealing" with the fact that the true star of the show is Stevie for BOTH personal and economic reasons. Lets face it, without her, LB, MF, JM and CM could never pull in collectively or individually what she does. So, like it or not, chiffonhead fan of her or NOT, La Stevie Nicks IS the band.

A post above asked what is it about chiffonheads that disagree with some?? Easy answer, the pure unadulterated adulation of Stevie and the fact that she can DO no wrong, say NO wrong and never be wrong. Maybe its those who dress like her at concerts (although Ive seen guys at LB concerts sporting jeans and leather jackets too)? Who knows and perhaps, its NOT definable, BUT there are those chiffonheads that truly get on ones nerves. Maybe some of us are JUST not as diehard as others or we realize that a singer is NOT what she is, IT is just what she does.

SteveMacD

12-13-2013, 04:21 PM

Lets face it, without her, LB, MF, JM and CM could never pull in collectively or individually what she does. So, like it or not, chiffonhead fan of her or NOT, La Stevie Nicks IS the band.
Then why can't she draw on her own what she draws with Fleetwood Mac?

It's never been tested what the others could do without her collectively. I'm sure they could EASILY draw what she does as a solo artist.

Newzchspy

12-13-2013, 04:36 PM

Then why can't she draw on her own what she draws with Fleetwood Mac?

It's never been tested what the others could do without her collectively. I'm sure they could EASILY draw what she does as a solo artist.

She doesnt??? The last time she came to Chicago at Allstate, she nearly sold OUT and IIRC, her #s were as strong as FM in attendance. BUT, put it conversely, I'd love to see (as you speculate) how FM would do at the same arena without Stevie??? Neither Lindsey (solo) nor Mick has ever drawn what Stevie did individually. Last time LB was at the St Charles Theatre Arcada (O Shows) , he didn't even sell out a 900 seat forum. Stevie sold OUT the Rosemont Theatre which is 20 times the size.

Fact is, all of their set-list is geared toward Stevie being at the mic and 90% of them are there to see her do GDW and Rhiannon etc etc. Not a single one would miss So Afraid.

MikeInNV

12-13-2013, 05:04 PM

I think it all depends on the type of marketing campaign. I don't see it lighting up the charts, but I think they could still do well.

Oh, I think it would do well too, but my definition of "well" for FM in 2014 is very different from FM in 1977 or Taylor Swift in 2012. I see a new album opening in the Top 10, probably staying there for a couple of weeks and then dropping off quickly. A big radio hit is a long-shot. SN and LB have written radio-worthy tunes in the last decade, but the band is just too old for that. Radio plays the new hits by young artists and the classic hits by the older ones.

The thing is, Fleetwood Mac is one of those iconic bands that everybody knows and a lot of people like or love because of a deep catalog of well-known songs. But I don't think the average concert-goer really knows who is in the band, besides maybe Stevie. The Eagles, arguably the only band bigger than FM in the 70s, are the same way. Most people wouldn't be able to tell you their convoluted personnel history; they just know that they will hear a bunch of big hits if they go to their show. That's why I don't think Christine's return can really transform the Mac much from what they are now. Sure we will all love to see her, but I just don't see that the attendance and ticket prices can go much higher.

Newzchspy

12-13-2013, 05:18 PM

Oh, I think it would do well too, but my definition of "well" for FM in 2014 is very different from FM in 1977 or Taylor Swift in 2012. I see a new album opening in the Top 10, probably staying there for a couple of weeks and then dropping off quickly. A big radio hit is a long-shot. SN and LB have written radio-worthy tunes in the last decade, but the band is just too old for that. Radio plays the new hits by young artists and the classic hits by the older ones.

The thing is, Fleetwood Mac is one of those iconic bands that everybody knows and a lot of people like or love because of a deep catalog of well-known songs. But I don't think the average concert-goer really knows who is in the band, besides maybe Stevie. The Eagles, arguably the only band bigger than FM in the 70s, are the same way. Most people wouldn't be able to tell you their convoluted personnel history; they just know that they will hear a bunch of big hits if they go to their show. That's why I don't think Christine's return can really transform the Mac much from what they are now. Sure we will all love to see her, but I just don't see that the attendance and ticket prices can go much higher.

BUT they will sure advertise HER return and you can bet that some will go just because CP is back in the Band!!!

FWIW, I went to see Journey this past summer with their really good karaoke singer, BUT it was NOT the same without SP, it just wasn't!! Would any of us go see FM without Stevie? I know that I wouldnt!!

BTW, Phil Collins is thinking about a summer 2014 Tour. Would you go to see him solo without Genesis??

SteveMacD

12-13-2013, 05:33 PM

She doesnt??? The last time she came to Chicago at Allstate, she nearly sold OUT and IIRC, her #s were as strong as FM in attendance.
You just made my point. Stevie NEARLY sold out an arena (Allstate) that seats 18,500, while Fleetwood Mac DID sell out an arena (United Center) that seats 23,500. In other words, Stevie on her own could NOT sell out 18,500, but DID sell out an arena that seats 5,000 more people with Fleetwood Mac. The band IS bigger than Stevie.

To put it another way, you'll never see the modern Fleetwood Mac open for Rod Stewart.

BUT, put it conversely, I'd love to see (as you speculate) how FM would do at the same arena without Stevie???
Assuming Christine was back, I think it would be easy. Everybody in the band would have been part of the classic line-up, including the writer with the most Fleetwood Mac hit singles. There's something to market.

Neither Lindsey (solo) nor Mick has ever drawn what Stevie did individually.
Lindsey and Mick aren't trying to play to mainstream crowds with their extracurricular activities.

Fact is, all of their set-list is geared toward Stevie being at the mic and 90% of them are there to see her do GDW and Rhiannon etc etc. Not a single one would miss So Afraid.
They'd change the set-list. Yes, those songs would be missed, but SYLM, YMLF, Songbird, Everywhere, etc. are missed, too. There are plenty of songs between Lindsey and Christine to make for a good Fleetwood Mac set.

That's why I don't think Christine's return can really transform the Mac much from what they are now. Sure we will all love to see her, but I just don't see that the attendance and ticket prices can go much higher.
I think it all depends on how they handle her return. If there's a media blitz, it could be huge. Look at one small interview did. Within a couple of days the story was one of the most trended on the web. There IS an interest.

elle

12-13-2013, 05:37 PM

I'd love to see (as you speculate) how FM would do at the same arena without Stevie??? Neither Lindsey (solo) nor Mick has ever drawn what Stevie did individually.
everyone knows the name Fleetwood Mac. many know the name Stevie Nicks. nobody knows the name Lindsey Buckingham. many know the name Brian Wilson. everybody knows the name Beach Boys. Beach Boys (Brian Wilson-less) play the arenas at the same time Brian Wilson plays little theaters. it's in the name and the legendary band status recognition.

Fact is, all of their set-list is geared toward Stevie being at the mic and 90% of them are there to see her do GDW and Rhiannon etc etc. Not a single one would miss So Afraid.
there are a number of tracks the set is geared towards. read the reviews. every single one of them says how they open with the bang, with the couple of their huge tracks that everyone knows - Second Hand News and The Chain. the foursome can easily do those without Stevie and it would be hardly noticed. ;)

SteveMacD

12-13-2013, 05:42 PM

FWIW, I went to see Journey this past summer with their really good karaoke singer, BUT it was NOT the same without SP, it just wasn't!! Would any of us go see FM without Stevie? I know that I wouldnt!!
What a terrible comparison. Steve Perry was THE vocalist for Journey; Fleetwood Mac had THREE vocalists, all of whom had hit singles with the band. And, yes, a lot of people would go see Fleetwood Mac if it were only fronted by TWO of the THREE vocalists.

BTW, Phil Collins is thinking about a summer 2014 Tour. Would you go to see him solo without Genesis??
I don't see the point, here. Phil Collins has been THE vocalist for Genesis since Peter Gabriel quit (save for that short time in the '90s). And, since Genesis ditched their prog roots and became a fluff pop band, the difference between Phil's solo career and Genesis is minimal.

ETA: However, the Genesis example shows how the band was able to continue and go further commercially once Gabriel was out of the band. In other words, the band was still bigger than it's former vocalist/songwriter.

Johnny Stew

12-13-2013, 06:16 PM

just curious since we gave some [milder] examples of what annoys some Christine or Lindsey fans - as a Stevie fan, give us some examples of over the top behavior you are referring to?

as a lindseyfan, i'm obviously biased, but you don't usually hear of most buck fan behavior being nearly as over-the-top as chiff fan behavior. :shrug:

as a CM fan, I would also be interested in this too

Regarding Christine fans... most of the behavior I was thinking of, was several years ago. It really isn't anything that I'm seeing now. But I have seen it, so I felt it worth mentioning. Of Fleetwood Mac's "Holy Trinity" (Chris, Stevie & Lindsey), Christine's fans tend to be the most level-headed in general.

As far as the actions of Lindsey fans... well, I've already pointed some of that out before. However, it usually gets excused or rationalized away -- so no sense in re-hashing it. Nevertheless, examples abound.

(* I'm sure it doesn't need to be pointed out, but I'm talking about a select group of fans. Not lumping them all together.)

jbrownsjr

12-13-2013, 06:35 PM

Regarding Christine fans... most of the behavior I was thinking of, was several years ago. It really isn't anything that I'm seeing now. But I have seen it, so I felt it worth mentioning. Of Fleetwood Mac's "Holy Trinity" (Chris, Stevie & Lindsey), Christine's fans tend to be the most level-headed in general.

As far as the actions of Lindsey fans... well, I've already pointed some of that out before. However, it usually gets excused or rationalized away -- so no sense in re-hashing it. Nevertheless, examples abound.

(* I'm sure it doesn't need to be pointed out, but I'm talking about a select group of fans. Not lumping them all together.)

That's right! Me and the other 10 CM fans are the smartest!! :lol:

Johnny Stew

12-13-2013, 06:42 PM

That's right! Me and the other 10 CM fans are the smartest!! :lol:

Lol... you are indeed a wise bunch. ;)

Christine has often been referred to as the "eye of the storm" in Fleetwood Mac. She's the calm center to the crazy and dramatic antics of Lindsey and Stevie. Funny thing is, her fans tend to have the same presence here on The Ledge.

Nicks fans: "TASTES GREAT!"
Buckingham fans: "LESS FILLING!"
McVie fans: "Right -- I'll just be over here having a spot of tea."

MikeInNV

12-13-2013, 06:48 PM

What a terrible comparison. Steve Perry was THE vocalist for Journey; Fleetwood Mac had THREE vocalists, all of whom had hit singles with the band. And, yes, a lot of people would go see Fleetwood Mac if it were only fronted by TWO of the THREE vocalists.

That's exactly why I think Steve Perry re-joining Journey would create a lot more hoopla than Christine re-joining Fleetwood Mac.

michelej1

12-13-2013, 06:58 PM

That's right! Me and the other 10 CM fans are the smartest!! :lol:

Lisa Adelson was a Christine fan and they even credited the Chris (and John) bio work Lisa did in the Blue Horizons set liner notes.

Michele

SteveMacD

12-13-2013, 07:07 PM

That's exactly why I think Steve Perry re-joining Journey would create a lot more hoopla than Christine re-joining Fleetwood Mac.
That might be bigger for that reason, but Fleetwood Mac was always a lot bigger than Journey. Fleetwood Mac was like the Beatles of the late '70s/early '80s. Journey was Gerry & The Pacemakers at best.

michelej1

12-13-2013, 07:16 PM

So, Amazon just started in 1995, long after the Eagles hey day and the Eagles greatest hit album was #2 on the list of all time Amazon best sellers.

Rumours was #10.

I agree with the poster who said if you go to see the Eagles, mostly you go for the songs, not the individual performers. Obviously, they all have their own focused fans, but the vast majority of casual listeners just don't know them, one from the other. I expect Heartache Tonight, whether Glenn, Don or whatever other stray might be in the band.

Michele

elle

12-13-2013, 07:35 PM

I agree with the poster who said if you go to see the Eagles, mostly you go for the songs, not the individual performers. Obviously, they all have their own focused fans, but the vast majority of casual listeners just don't know them, one from the other. I expect Heartache Tonight, whether Glenn, Don or whatever other stray might be in the band.

yes, but i think that's the same with FM or Beach Boys or Lynyrd Skynyrd or other older bands' "fans" (really, crowds that go see them). they go see the band and the hits, songs that they know from hearing them 1000 times. Beach Boys probably play their hits, Brian Wilson doesn't. FM is missing a good number of hits now, with Christine not touring.

it was actually interesting in Glasgow. after the show, bunch of people would go to the bar at the hotel right next to the venue. that bar always plays the hits from whoever is playing Hydro that night. the first night we were there, Rod Stewart played Hydro, so they played his songs for hours (have to say - RS has really old fan demographic, even older that the mac!). the night FM played Hydro, the bar played FM songs... and more than half of the songs they played were Christine McVie songs.

chiliD

12-13-2013, 07:36 PM

Obviously, they all have their own focused fans, but the vast majority of casual listeners just don't know them, one from the other.

A point WELL lost on Don Henley & Glenn Frey themselves. :lol:

SteveMacD

12-13-2013, 07:37 PM

Lol... you are indeed a wise bunch. ;)

Christine has often been referred to as the "eye of the storm" in Fleetwood Mac. She's the calm center to the crazy and dramatic antics of Lindsey and Stevie. Funny thing is, her fans tend to have the same presence here on The Ledge.
To me, a Christine McVie fan is basically synonymous with a Fleetwood Mac fan, given that she's been on everything but two studio albums and an EP.

HomerMcvie

12-13-2013, 07:42 PM

Lets face it, without her, LB, MF, JM and CM could never pull in collectively or individually what she does. So, like it or not, chiffonhead fan of her or NOT, La Stevie Nicks IS the band.

While I have absolutely nothing personal against you, THIS is why I can't STAND most Stevie fans. They're not FM fans, they're Stevie fans.

Collectively go wrap some Chiffon around a body part....REAL tight now....tighter.....:mad:

:lol::lol::lol:

elle

12-13-2013, 08:00 PM

While I have absolutely nothing personal against you, THIS is why I can't STAND most Stevie fans. They're not FM fans, they're Stevie fans.

Collectively go wrap some Chiffon around a body part....REAL tight now....tighter.....:mad:

:lol::lol::lol:

lol i was thinking the same when i saw that "La Stevie Nicks IS the band" but i felt bad pointing out yet another blatant example. :lol:

it's interesting that when asked what annoys them about chiffs so much that it sours them towards SN, Christine and Lindsey fans don't have to even think, they just have to open any FM-related social media outlet and examples just jump at you.

when asked about examples of what CM or LB fans do to annoy SN fans and sour them towards their music, you don't get any, just that everybody must know them. but i really don't. :angel:

Ulpian

12-13-2013, 08:13 PM

Lol... you are indeed a wise bunch. ;)

Christine has often been referred to as the "eye of the storm" in Fleetwood Mac. She's the calm center to the crazy and dramatic antics of Lindsey and Stevie. Funny thing is, her fans tend to have the same presence here on The Ledge.

Nicks fans: "TASTES GREAT!"
Buckingham fans: "LESS FILLING!"
McVie fans: "Right -- I'll just be over here having a spot of tea."

Thank you for making me smile. :nod:

As a diplomatic CM fan, I of course would not be so vulgar as to say whether or not I agree with your analysis of the other fans. ;)

MikeInNV

12-13-2013, 08:19 PM

lol i was thinking the same when i saw that "La Stevie Nicks IS the band" but i felt bad pointing out yet another blatant example. :lol:

it's interesting that when asked what annoys them about chiffs so much that it sours them towards SN, Christine and Lindsey fans don't have to even think, they just have to open any FM-related social media outlet and examples just jump at you.

when asked about examples of what CM or LB fans do to annoy SN fans and sour them towards their music, you don't get any, just that everybody must know them. but i really don't. :angel:

Well if pressed for an example (which I'm reluctant to provide because it just adds to the back-and-forth infighting which the Ledge already has too much of), I was a bit put off by Post #86. It was purely speculative, rooted in an admitted personal bias, and didn't seem to serve much purpose other than to prod the over-the-top chiffs to start screaming, which is what so many people here seem to hate. Why fan the flames?

Johnny Stew

12-13-2013, 08:23 PM

While I have absolutely nothing personal against you, THIS is why I can't STAND most Stevie fans. They're not FM fans, they're Stevie fans.

How many Lindsey fans have been expressing the desire that he focus only on his solo career and not "waste his time" with Fleetwood Mac?

As someone who owns and loves every Fleetwood Mac album ever released, I can certainly see where you're coming from, David -- but, like I said earlier, Stevie isn't the only member who has people who are her fans first and foremost, apart from Fleetwood Mac.

And for every fan who says that Stevie IS Fleetwood Mac, there are 20 more of us who don't see it that way.

it's interesting that when asked what annoys them about chiffs so much that it sours them towards SN, Christine and Lindsey fans don't have to even think, they just have to open any FM-related social media outlet and examples just jump at you.

when asked about examples of what CM or LB fans do to annoy SN fans and sour them towards their music, you don't get any, just that everybody must know them. but i really don't. :angel:

Obviously that was directed at me. I've pointed out examples in the past. I've even pointed out examples to you in the past. There's no need repeating it.

elle

12-13-2013, 08:25 PM

post #86: :lol: never gonna happen. woman's gotta whole slew of hangers-on to feed and trudge around the world. plus she's the diva in that band. i don't see her ever accepting to be equal to others anymore, regardless of the amount of weight she's pulling. and frankly, others know it so i don't see them even trying to suggest that kind of split. plus she can always go open for Rod Stewart again, and make the same kind of money for less effort albeit much less worship from the audience.

Well if pressed for an example (which I'm reluctant to provide because it just adds to the back-and-forth infighting which the Ledge already has too much of), I was a bit put off by Post #86. It was purely speculative, rooted in an admitted personal bias, and didn't seem to serve much purpose other than to prod the over-the-top chiffs to start screaming, which is what so many people here seem to hate. Why fan the flames?

:lol::lol: i love you! and that's what makes you not like LB?? if that's a kind of post that presses your buttons, you would be constantly annoyed with chiffs if you were LB fan.

edit: plus, i didn't think it was that speculative, nor rooted in bias, and it had a purpose to clear some misunderstandings.

HomerMcvie

12-13-2013, 08:26 PM

lol i was thinking the same when i saw that "La Stevie Nicks IS the band" but i felt bad pointing out yet another blatant example. :lol:

it's interesting that when asked what annoys them about chiffs so much that it sours them towards SN, Christine and Lindsey fans don't have to even think, they just have to open any FM-related social media outlet and examples just jump at you.

when asked about examples of what CM or LB fans do to annoy SN fans and sour them towards their music, you don't get any, just that everybody must know them. but i really don't. :angel:
And see, I USED to be a fan of hers. But the above attitude left me cold, and made me not even want to listen to her anymore. They worship blindly.

$%^& $%^&*(!!!:lol:

elle

12-13-2013, 08:32 PM

How many Lindsey fans have been expressing the desire that he focus only on his solo career and not "waste his time" with Fleetwood Mac?
but how does that lessen your enjoyment of Lindsey and FM? :confused:

when someone plants themselves in front of LB during FM show, watches only SN and constantly yells "i love you Stevie" during Lindsey's songs, that does lessen my enjoyment of the show, a lot.

Johnny Stew

12-13-2013, 08:38 PM

:lol::lol: i love you! and that's what makes you not like LB?? if that's a kind of post that presses your buttons, you would be constantly annoyed with chiffs if you were LB fan.

edit: plus, i didn't think it was that speculative, nor rooted in bias, and it had a purpose to clear some misunderstandings.

Well, it was pretty passive/aggressive, no? And not even the "diva" part (which is hardly an insult). But the implication that the "weight she's pulling" in the band isn't in proportion to the weight others (*cough* Lindsey *cough*) are pulling, and the notion that, in spite of this apparent lack of weight-pulling, she would never accept being equal to anyone else in Fleetwood Mac, even Christine.

That's a pretty mild example, for sure, but -- since you were asking about examples -- there's one.

jbrownsjr

12-13-2013, 08:40 PM

Stevie: "I told Christine that this is really hard to do now and that this is a rock and roll monster band!! We've done an album and an EP in 15 years, we've really built this band into a machine!! "

Johnny Stew

12-13-2013, 08:42 PM

but how does that lessen your enjoyment of Lindsey and FM? :confused:

when someone plants themselves in front of LB during FM show, watches only SN and constantly yells "i love you Stevie" during Lindsey's songs, that does lessen my enjoyment of the show, a lot.

And how do you feel about the young chickies that get planted in front of Lindsey, who make googly eyes at him all night, and chat with him & yell things to him while Stevie's introducing a song or singing?

I haven't heard you complain about it.

(Meanwhile, my response to David was merely to point out that Stevie isn't the only band member who has fans who could care less about Fleetwood Mac as a whole.)

SteveMacD

12-13-2013, 08:47 PM

elle

12-13-2013, 08:52 PM

Well, it was pretty passive/aggressive, no? And not even the "diva" part (which is hardly an insult). But the implication that the "weight she's pulling" in the band isn't in proportion to the weight others (*cough* Lindsey *cough*) are pulling, and the notion that, in spite of this apparent lack of weight-pulling, she would never accept being equal to anyone else in Fleetwood Mac, even Christine.

That's a pretty mild example, for sure, but -- since you were asking about examples -- there's one.

it wasn't meant to be passive-aggressive. it's been reported that split within a band is not equal and that SN gets the biggest cut. as i mentioned in that post - she has the leverage (she can go out with people like RS and make FM kind of money). that's how it works, no? you have the leverage, you can get what you want.

re weight pulling, i don't think that SN would say she's doing more for the overall show or album preparation than LB, or that she's doing more work on the stage than him (therefore Mick's intro of him never leaving the stage) so i wouldn't even try to hide that's what i meant.

re diva, chiffs constantly put out as a "fact" that Lindsey is a diva. and every time i see it it feels like it's put out there to either elicit reactions or just create a bad vibe about the guy - but maybe chiffs don't even notice that they are doing it.

elle

12-13-2013, 08:59 PM

And how do you feel about the young chickies that get planted in front of Lindsey, who make googly eyes at him all night, and chat with him & yell things to him while Stevie's introducing a song or singing?

I haven't heard you complain about it.

i started a whole thread about it. not because of Stevie, but because of fans who stand in GA line all day to be first in the venue at the stage, only to come in and find bunch of people already planted at the stage and they can't get to it. it's unfair towards those people. it happened numerous times, and examples i know were Dublin and Amsterdam, where that happened to my friends.

additionally, if people make a conversation with LB during Stevie's intros, at least they are in front of him, not her. i haven't seen or heard of people who stand in front of SN and ignore her while she talks, just to yell stuff to LB.

elle

12-13-2013, 09:09 PM

Stevie: "I told Christine that this is really hard to do now and that this is a rock and roll monster band!! We've done an album and an EP in 15 years, we've really built this band into a machine!! "

:lol:

Hell, I work for a band that can record an album and an EP in less than two weeks.

sorry guys, for going on a tangent, yet again. :lol:

i was just reading bunch of complaints about Kanye West claiming how his job is as hard as if he was in the military, and thinking how it's lucky for FM ladies that they are much further from the spotlight, considering their "like being in the Army" statements.

SteveMacD

12-13-2013, 09:29 PM

sorry guys, for going on a tangent, yet again. :lol:

i was just reading bunch of complaints about Kanye West claiming how his job is as hard as if he was in the military, and thinking how it's lucky for FM ladies that they are much further from the spotlight, considering their "like being in the Army" statements.
Well, it's a bit different coming from women in their '60s and '70s than from a 36 year old man in good health. The ladies can put their statements into context.

Kanye is just an @$$hole.

michelej1

12-13-2013, 09:55 PM

Well, it's a bit different coming from women in their '60s and '70s than from a 36 year old man in good health. The ladies can put their statements into context.

Kanye is just an @$$hole.

But Stevie was saying that when she was 36 -- or thereabouts. Michele

SteveMacD

12-13-2013, 10:16 PM

But Stevie was saying that when she was 36 -- or thereabouts.
I doubt even at 36 Stevie would have been allowed in the military.

Still, saying something is "like being in the Army" is a very different statement from saying the job is as hard as being in the military.

I could see how somebody would consider tours of that size like being in the Army, with the air tight schedules, heavy orchestration, constant movement, very little sleep, not being able to call in sick, being away from home for extended periods, etc. There are a lot of logistics going on there. So saying there are similarities doesn't seem all that questionable.

But saying it's harder than being in the military is bull*****. If Kanye believes that, then he should get off of his spoiled pampered ass and give it a try.

michelej1

12-13-2013, 10:29 PM

Still, saying something is "like being in the Army" is a very different statement from saying the job is as hard as being in the military.

Definitely saying something is like the army or boot camp or mortal combat is different from actually believing your job is harder than a service man's.

Michele

michelej1

12-13-2013, 10:47 PM

jbrownsjr

12-13-2013, 11:51 PM

:lol:

Hell, I work for a band that can record an album and an EP in less than two weeks.

We had to think about how we were going to carry on for 4 years, then we did an album!!!

I cracked up so hard... :lol:

MikeInNV

12-14-2013, 02:25 AM

:lol::lol: i love you! and that's what makes you not like LB??

Who said I didn't like LB? I like him just fine, but I happen to be a huge Stevie fan. I thought you wanted an example of an avid LB fan annoying a Stevie fan, since there are apparently so many examples of the reverse.

if that's a kind of post that presses your buttons, you would be constantly annoyed with chiffs if you were LB fan

Well that's kind of my point....it works both ways. There are fans of both SN and LB who are so overzealous that they alienate, even disrespect, the other side, even though this is a fan forum for both. The only thing that really pushes my buttons is when people complain about certain behavior when they are equally guilty of it.

MikeInNV

12-14-2013, 02:33 AM

re diva, chiffs constantly put out as a "fact" that Lindsey is a diva. and every time i see it it feels like it's put out there to either elicit reactions or just create a bad vibe about the guy - but maybe chiffs don't even notice that they are doing it.

And why should it feel any differently when you say it about Stevie?

Macfanforever

12-14-2013, 09:02 AM

Some one needs to update Christine's Wikipedia page.Also it need her picture posted there too.

MoonSister75

12-14-2013, 09:50 AM

Some one needs to update Christine's Wikipedia page.Also it need her picture posted there too.

yes very good thinking!! :nod:

elle

12-14-2013, 11:09 AM

Who said I didn't like LB? I like him just fine, but I happen to be a huge Stevie fan. .

see, i think your example is great because you labeled as biased speculation meant to inflame the post where i really just stated things that were reported before, in a regular press or stated by the band - that money split between the band is not equal, or that LB does more work in the band. are these things are not true? i didn't say that there's something wrong with that, and frankly given their positions, i don't think it is.

i had to re-read my post a few times before i could believe that was really the post you are referring to, at first i thought you were just pulling my chain. and that is why i asked for examples - we all apparently say stuff that highly annoy other fans on this board, and we are not even aware of it.

elle

12-14-2013, 11:26 AM

Well that's kind of my point....it works both ways. There are fans of both SN and LB who are so overzealous that they alienate, even disrespect, the other side, even though this is a fan forum for both. The only thing that really pushes my buttons is when people complain about certain behavior when they are equally guilty of it.

i agree that it works both ways. but i'm trying to understand whether it's equally done from all sides.

example that Johnny Stew and i were discussing points it out:

people stand in front of Lindsey, ignore him, and yell things to Stevie.
people stand in front of Lindsey, ignore Stevie, and talk to Lindsey.

MikeInNV

12-14-2013, 12:05 PM

see, i think your example is great because you labeled as biased speculation meant to inflame the post where i really just stated things that were reported before, in a regular press or stated by the band - that money split between the band is not equal, or that LB does more work in the band. are these things are not true? i didn't say that there's something wrong with that, and frankly given their positions, i don't think it is.

i had to re-read my post a few times before i could believe that was really the post you are referring to, at first i thought you were just pulling my chain. and that is why i asked for examples - we all apparently say stuff that highly annoy other fans on this board, and we are not even aware of it.

The part that I thought was speculative and inflammatory was that Stevie is too big a diva to accept a 25/25/25 split if Christine comes back. We have no idea how the managers will hammer out the finances if that happens, and you don't know what Stevie is willing to accept to have Chris back. Stevie's off-the-cuff remark about paying Chris $5M, while probably not literal, would indicate she is willing to part with some dough to accommodate Chris's return. I think the current split is fair for the foursome, and the 25/25/25 split would be fair with Christine in the mix. It's not as crazy as you made it sound.

I'm not saying Stevie has never shown diva-like behavior, but who hasn't? Of course she is aware, just as we all are, that she's the biggest star outside the band. But within the context of the band, she has often referred to herself as the little sister, and Mick has publicly stated that she has a much easier time being a member of a group than Lindsey does.

MikeInNV

12-14-2013, 12:31 PM

i agree that it works both ways. but i'm trying to understand whether it's equally done from all sides.

It may not be equal from both sides because (and again this is not a dig at LB), Stevie has a larger fanbase and thus more "defenders." The point is, that sort of behavior just begets more of the same, so I can't see how anyone can engage in it for one "team" and then complain when they see it coming from the other.

Johnny Stew

12-14-2013, 12:38 PM

i agree that it works both ways. but i'm trying to understand whether it's equally done from all sides.

Does it really matter if it's "equal?" I've seen extremely disrespectful actions from both "sides," and bogging ourselves down with a "who does it the most/does it worse" debate isn't going to move anything forward.

Look, I'm not excusing the boorish behavior of some Nicks fans. I see it and it bothers me too. Perhaps it even bothers me more, because I am a Nicks fan and I know for a fact that we don't all think Fleetwood Mac lives and dies by her involvement (even if we happen to prefer when she's a part of the lineup).

My original point was, and remains, that it seems short-sighted and unfair to hold the actions of their respective fan-bases against Stevie and Lindsey.

example that Johnny Stew and i were discussing points it out:

people stand in front of Lindsey, ignore him, and yell things to Stevie.
people stand in front of Lindsey, ignore Stevie, and talk to Lindsey.

Knowing human behavior, I have a hard time imagining that Lindsey fans never stand in front of Stevie, ignore her, and yell things to him. You may not have witnessed it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. (And if you're not standing in front of Stevie during shows, would you even notice it happening?)

Johnny Stew

12-14-2013, 12:41 PM

It may not be equal from both sides because (and again this is not a dig at LB), Stevie has a larger fanbase and thus more "defenders." The point is, that sort of behavior just begets more of the same, so I can't see how anyone can engage in it for one "team" and then complain when they see it coming from the other.

You said in two sentences, what it always takes me tiresomely long paragraphs to say. A tip of the hat to you, good sir.

elle

12-14-2013, 02:22 PM

The part that I thought was speculative and inflammatory was that Stevie is too big a diva to accept a 25/25/25 split if Christine comes back. We have no idea how the managers will hammer out the finances if that happens, and you don't know what Stevie is willing to accept to have Chris back. Stevie's off-the-cuff remark about paying Chris $5M, while probably not literal, would indicate she is willing to part with some dough to accommodate Chris's return. I think the current split is fair for the foursome, and the 25/25/25 split would be fair with Christine in the mix. It's not as crazy as you made it sound.

I'm not saying Stevie has never shown diva-like behavior, but who hasn't? Of course she is aware, just as we all are, that she's the biggest star outside the band. But within the context of the band, she has often referred to herself as the little sister, and Mick has publicly stated that she has a much easier time being a member of a group than Lindsey does.

nicely said, agree with most of your post, other than the inflammatory part. but yeah any future split is definitively speculative, and that was what we were discussing at the time. i don't see the 3 singers getting 25 % each and the other 25% being split between Mick and John as realistic, others have other opinions - and it's fair everyone states what they think, on the discussion board.

hey, so you are in Vegas? you wanna get together for a drink or something?

It may not be equal from both sides because (and again this is not a dig at LB), Stevie has a larger fanbase and thus more "defenders."
yup, and those poor minority LB defenders react to about every 50th post that annoys them, but since there are so many more SN defenders here, get jumped on every single time. ;) :D :xoxo:

"equal?"[/B] I've seen extremely disrespectful actions from both "sides," and bogging ourselves down with a "who does it the most/does it worse" debate isn't going to move anything forward.
agree - you brought up equal, so i questioned it.

My original point was, and remains, that it seems short-sighted and unfair to hold the actions of their respective fan-bases against Stevie and Lindsey.
maybe, but i can't fault Homer or whoever brought that up if they feel that way... like you said, it's a human reaction, and they have a right to express it.

MrStevie

12-14-2013, 02:45 PM

Is anyone else annoyed when all fans accept bias comments as facts?:shrug:

I've seen no facts to support the repeated and accepted notion that Stevie gets a bigger cut of the band $$$, be it guarantee or net proceeds.

Its not just Nicks fans. Somehow everyone just accepts this as a fact so they can quickly move on to arguing about it. :confused:

P.S.
If I've overlooked an earlier post where this has been documented by a verifiable source, please excuse the misunderstanding. :sorry:

Johnny Stew

12-14-2013, 03:02 PM

agree - you brought up equal, so i questioned it.

What I said was that fans of the Holy Trinity can be "equally over-the-top." I wasn't claiming there's an equal amount of fans behaving in the same way, or that there's an equal amount of incidents of said behavior.

maybe, but i can't fault Homer or whoever brought that up if they feel that way... like you said, it's a human reaction, and they have a right to express it.

I don't fault David either. Which is why I pointed out that I've had times when my enjoyment of Lindsey's music has been diminished by the actions of some of his biggest die-hards. I try not to let that happen, because it isn't Lindsey's fault -- but it has.

michelej1

12-14-2013, 03:16 PM

Some one needs to update Christine's Wikipedia page.Also it need her picture posted there too.

Also, why did they let her website expire? The domain name is $2,295. If she can't afford that, no wonder she is returning to the band. We better hire her now before she starts milking cows for a living.

Anyway, buy back the domain name and update the website. Just put some filler content there until she has an announcement to make. But at least get fans in the habit of going there to check it out occasionally.

Michele

michelej1

12-14-2013, 03:23 PM

Is anyone else annoyed when all fans accept bias comments as facts?:shrug:

Yes. It bothers me greatly.

Actually, I think the split information was posted many years ago by someone other posters trusted. I don't know where the original post is or who made it, but it was probably 10 years ago and it's come up in discussions several times since then.

Michele

SteveMacD

12-14-2013, 03:52 PM

Also, why did they let her website expire? The domain name is $2,295.
I'm guessing that it was created solely to promote ITM. Since, until recently, Christine was officially retired, renewing it probably seemed like a waste of time and effort.

If she can't afford that, no wonder she is returning to the band. We better hire her now before she starts milking cows for a living.
Please, if all she needs is £££, there's always Ringo & The All Stars.

michelej1

12-14-2013, 03:59 PM

I'm guessing that it was created solely to promote ITM. Since, until recently, Christine was officially retired, renewing it probably seemed like a waste of time and effort.

As a celebrity, I think she should want to own the "com" url for her name even if she had NOTHING to put up on it, just to keep other critters from getting it. And if they didn't want to update it, just throw some basic information up and leave it there, rather than just letting the domain name expire. It's kind of silly to me, but this is from a group of people who have the worst marketing team in the entire world.

Michele

michelej1

12-14-2013, 04:03 PM

[these comments from Mick are old, not since The Guardian, but I don't think they were posted before from a video of his. Click for video]

http://somethingelsereviews.com/2013/12/14/we-let-go-of-that-a-long-time-ago-fleetwood-mac-welcomes-unexpected-talk-of-christine-mcvie-reunion/

‘We let go of that a long time ago’: Fleetwood Mac welcomes unexpected talk of Christine McVie reunion

by Something Else!, December 14, 2013

When Christine McVie started ruminating about a reunion with Fleetwood Mac, after making a rare appearance with her former band in London, fans weren’t the only ones shocked. So was Mick Fleetwood.

Fleetwood, of course, co-founded Fleetwood Mac in in 1967. McVie, then going by her maiden name of Perfect, officially joined three years later — helping form the foundation of a lineup, along with ex-husband John McVie, that would reach superstar status with the release of 1977′s mega-selling Rumours.

By 1998, however, McVie had left. Fleetwood Mac has continued forward as a four piece, with Lindsey Buckingham, Fleetwood, McVie and Stevie Nicks.

That said, McVie has permission to resume her place at any time, Fleetwood says.

“The thought of some picture that may or may not happen is still a lovely thought,” Fleetwood tells RCN TV. “We miss her. She’s magic. … We let go of that a long time ago, when she decided to hang it up, so to speak. But if she ever decides not to hang it up, she’d always be welcome.”

McVie’s surprise stop in London evolved out of a personal visit to Fleetwood’s home. “Chris is like my sister,” Fleetwood says. “She came to Hawaii, where I live, and we had the greatest time. It seems very normal for her to come and say hello. Anything else is all rumors, I’m afraid.”

No pun intended, right?

“People are going to say what they are going to say, and there’s really nothing we can do about it,” he says. “But it’s certainly not an awful thing to imagine — that she would be with us at some point in the future.”

WildHearted

12-14-2013, 04:05 PM

It's kind of silly to me, but this is from a group of people who have the worst marketing team in the entire world.

Michele

They really, truly do. It's highly unfortunate.

chiliD

12-14-2013, 04:06 PM

Please, if all she needs is £££, there's always Ringo & The All Stars.

Oh, now how cool would THAT be?!?!?

Since everybody sings in Ringo's All-Starr Band, that would leave Mick & John out, but having Christine there would be interesting!

Ringo- drums & vocals
Sheila E. -drums & vocals
Greg Lake-bass & vocals
Peter Frampton-guitar & vocals
Joe Walsh-guitar & vocals
Christine McVie-keyboards & vocals
Burton Cummings-keyboards & vocals
Mark Rivera-saxophone

And, Sheila E would have somebody to room with on the road!

SteveMacD

12-14-2013, 04:16 PM

Oh, now how cool would THAT be?!?!?

Since everybody sings in Ringo's All-Starr Band, that would leave Mick & John out, but having Christine there would be interesting!

Ringo- drums & vocals
Sheila E. -drums & vocals
Greg Lake-bass & vocals
Peter Frampton-guitar & vocals
Joe Walsh-guitar & vocals
Christine McVie-keyboards & vocals
Burton Cummings-keyboards & vocals
Mark Rivera-saxophone

And, Sheila E would have somebody to room with on the road!
I get this feeling that Christine and Burton would get into a fistfight on stage at some point.

iamnotafraid

12-15-2013, 02:54 AM

yup, and those poor minority LB defenders react to about every 50th post that annoys them...

Elle,
I believe you're getting picked on.
Ya'll take it easy on this Buckamaniac.

______________________________

I have it on good authority that Lindsey
doesn't care for Christine. I'll be able to
share the reason why with you in April
2014.

nicepace

12-15-2013, 12:02 PM

Also, why did they let her website expire? The domain name is $2,295. If she can't afford that, no wonder she is returning to the band. We better hire her now before she starts milking cows for a living.

Anyway, buy back the domain name and update the website. Just put some filler content there until she has an announcement to make. But at least get fans in the habit of going there to check it out occasionally.

That big pricetag is a result of something called "cybersquatting," when an entrepreneur buys a domain name that they think will be of interest to someone, and then try to resell it to the someone at a huge markup. A normal domain registration costs in the range of ten dollars a year.

Christine's team ought to just forget about the dot-com website name and get her a website called christinemcvie.info or christinemcvie.net or whatever. There are plenty of domain name extensions and the dot-com name doesn't have any special meaning, other than being the most commonly used. The website we're currently on, for example, is fleetwoodmac.net (not dot-com).

SteveMacD

12-15-2013, 12:15 PM

Christine's team ought to just forget about the dot-com website name and get her a website called christinemcvie.info or christinemcvie.net or whatever.
.co.uk seems appropriate.

SpyNote

12-15-2013, 12:39 PM

MoonSister75

12-15-2013, 12:55 PM

That damn Christine burning her bridges again! :lol: If she wants the domain back, she can get it fairly easily. There are many legal means now to crush domain squatters (people who use celebrity domains in bad faith or for commercial purposes), if need be.

I think she is trying to re-build those bridges. I just listened to some of the Radio 2 interview, she mentioned more than once how handsome she thought Lindsey was when they first met him and Stevie. I think she might be trying to get into his good books :nod:

vivfox

12-15-2013, 12:58 PM

I think Christine is trying to re-build those bridges. I think she might be trying to get into his good books :nod:

Oh? Has Lindsey written a new novel lately?

MoonSister75

12-15-2013, 01:23 PM

Oh? Has Lindsey written a new novel lately?

Not that I am aware of, but its not a bad idea.

those nails :confused:

macfan 57

12-15-2013, 01:37 PM

I think she is trying to re-build those bridges. I just listened to some of the Radio 2 interview, she mentioned more than once how handsome she thought Lindsey was when they first met him and Stevie. I think she might be trying to get into his good books :nod:

I thought the same thing. I just listened to that little 4 minute clip from Christine's interview. She certainly wasn't complaining about guitar solos like she did in that ITM clip from her website 9 years ago.;)

I wish there was some way to save that clip to my hard drive.

applebucked

12-15-2013, 01:38 PM

I thought the same thing. I just listened to that little 4 minute clip from Christine's interview. She certainly wasn't complaining about guitar solos like she did in that ITM clip from her website 9 years ago.;)

I wish there was some way to save that clip to my hard drive.

I'm saving the entire segment from iPlayer. it's gonna take a while, but yes I'm doing it.

elle

12-15-2013, 02:56 PM

I'm saving the entire segment from iPlayer. it's gonna take a while, but yes I'm doing it.
thanks, curious to hear Lindsey's segment, and also Mick's.

I thought the same thing. I just listened to that little 4 minute clip from Christine's interview. She certainly wasn't complaining about guitar solos like she did in that ITM clip from her website 9 years ago.;)

I wish there was some way to save that clip to my hard drive.

just listened to Christine's interview - really nice and warm. and yeah definitely rebuilding those Lindsey-bridges, gushing all over him - his good looks, how he has a whole library of guitar, arranging, and producing skills to make any of their songs better, and how when they first met Stevie and Lindsey, she figured she liked Stevie's sense of humor, plus if nothing else Lindsey was incredibly cute so she could find the way to compensate. ;) :cool:

Ulpian

12-15-2013, 03:01 PM

thanks, curious to hear Lindsey's segment, and also Mick's.

just listened to Christine's interview - really nice and warm. and yeah definitely rebuilding those Lindsey-bridges, gushing all over him - his good looks, how he has a whole library of guitar, arranging, and producing skills to make any of their songs better, and how when they first met Stevie and Lindsey, she figured she liked Stevie's sense of humor, plus if nothing else Lindsey was incredibly cute so she could find the way to compensate. ;) :cool:

I laughed at her frankness about Lindsey!

Christine sounds so relaxed, it's wonderful to hear and I can't wait for the full programme on 1st Jan.

michelej1

12-15-2013, 03:20 PM

That big pricetag is a result of something called "cybersquatting," when an entrepreneur buys a domain name that they think will be of interest to someone, and then try to resell it to the someone at a huge markup. A normal domain registration costs in the range of ten dollars a year.

Christine's team ought to just forget about the dot-com website name and get her a website called christinemcvie.info or christinemcvie.net or whatever. There are plenty of domain name extensions and the dot-com name doesn't have any special meaning, other than being the most commonly used. The website we're currently on, for example, is fleetwoodmac.net (not dot-com).

Right and I think the official band would be expected to have www.fleetwoodmac.com. If that name were available, it would be taken for THIS site, but it's the official site, which is the norm. John McVie is not using johnmcvie.com, but I think his people own it.

That's why Christine should have www.christinemcvie.com, because most people will assume that it's the official site and if the wrong person buys the name, they will try to capitalize on the mistake. I think that celebrities and professionals should always try to buy the com name if they can get it.

News of Christine's return to Fleetwood Mac will make the domain cost go even higher.

Michele

michelej1

12-15-2013, 03:28 PM

.co.uk seems appropriate.

Yes she would have no trouble getting another website domain if she wanted one. But it's important to keep others away from com. Twitter has really started going crazy about that too. In the beginning, it was easy to swoop in and get a famous name before people realized how big twitter was going to be and Twitter made a point of saying that it allowed parody and fan accounts, so if you made it clear that you were not the actual celebrity, they would let you keep the account.

Now, I see they have gone around finding reasons to take back as many celebrity name accounts as they can, from those who are not really those people. In fact, it's not only people that they are doing it to. Twitter took the "Barbie" parody account away from the person who had it and gave it to Mattel. There is getting to be as much value in the Twitter user handle as in www domain names.

Remember when Clayton Morris gave Stevie that twitter account? That was funny.

Michele

BlueDenimLamp

12-15-2013, 03:52 PM

Yes she would have no trouble getting another website domain if she wanted one. But it's important to keep others away from com. Twitter has really started going crazy about that too. In the beginning, it was easy to swoop in and get a famous name before people realized how big twitter was going to be and Twitter made a point of saying that it allowed parody and fan accounts, so if you made it clear that you were not the actual celebrity, they would let you keep the account.

Now, I see they have gone around finding reasons to take back as many celebrity name accounts as they can, from those who are not really those people. In fact, it's not only people that they are doing it to. Twitter took the "Barbie" parody account away from the person who had it and gave it to Mattel. There is getting to be as much value in the Twitter user handle as in www domain names.

Remember when Clayton Morris gave Stevie that twitter account? That was funny.

Michele

That Clayton Morris/Realstevienicks twitter needs to be shut down also the fake ChristineMcvie twitter as well...It would be interesting to find out how Stevie got the @stevienicks twitter somebody must have already taken the name did twitter just let her have it? Or did she have to buy it?

michelej1

12-15-2013, 04:58 PM

So, they had their second meeting at Mick's house in Topanga Canyon. I know Christine has always been the one that mentioned a meeting at Mick's house and this was clarification for me that it was the second meeting after the Mexican restaurant. The others don't tend to talk about the next meeting.

Loved hearing her talking about Los Angeles this year, how she and Stevie met 30 minutes earlier then Lindsey walked in and then Mick and John and she felt the old chemistry, the completeness of five.

Michele

Ulpian

12-15-2013, 05:18 PM

michelej1

12-15-2013, 05:31 PM

Just put the Billboard 2013 figures in the "Pollstar" thread. It said FM sold out 13 out of 45 shows. I thought it was more than 13 shows that were sold out just based on the newspaper reports in different cities.

So, they made almost $62 million. Wonder how much of that the band netted when all was said and done. Of course, if they had been able to complete the tour, they would have been higher on the top 20 list.

Michele

applebucked

12-15-2013, 06:29 PM

She also said something about "a natural thing...organic thing." whoa, Bucky's rubbing off on her. :lol:

elle

12-15-2013, 06:39 PM

She also said something about "a natural thing...organic thing." whoa, Bucky's rubbing off on her. :lol:

i :lol:ed when i heard the 5 fit together organically or whatever she said.

MikeInNV

12-15-2013, 07:01 PM