Casey Anthony found not guilty - Page 3

Jondalar · #31 07-06-2011, 03:32 PM

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I'm not saying I believe her; I'm saying that I wouldn't be surprised if there actually was sexual abuse in that family. I have nothing to back that up, so that's why I don't state it as a fact. The whole family is whacked, plain and simple.

How is the whole family whacked? You have a hard working mother and father who loved their grand daughter. The only thing I see that made that family dysfunctional was Casey. The world revolved around her. She lied and lied and literally put her family through hell.

SuzeQuze · #32 07-06-2011, 03:54 PM

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He had to have been a genius to do this! I did not follow this case the way I have followed others in the past (please don't get me started on JonBenet Ramsey), but I have caught coverage here and there and have found Casey Anthony to be completely UNlikeable, UNbelievable, etc etc. I just can't believe she got nothing. Nothing!

I know and I thought Baez was an idiot, but he seems to have pulled it off.

I think judges should be stricter about what they allow. Obfuscation does not equal a fair trial. Somehow this jury saw George as a villain. They denied the opening statement affected them but stated that they didn't believe his testimony. So it obviously did color their opinion. I'm generalizing based on the one statement of the alternate juror which was in the link from my previous post. Listen to it, it's so shocking. I can't wait to hear from other jurors. I would be very surprised if not one comes forward.

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I don't find it hard to accept that her father may have molested her. But you're 100% right in that it doesn't give her an "excuse" to cover up her child's death (or cause it- whatever actually did happen)! And actually, the "one out of four" statistic covers reported sexual abuse. Think about all of the unreported abuse going on in this world. We'd all be baby killers.

Me neither but I'm leaning toward it never happened. It's staggering to think how many actual cases are out there.

The defense team celebrated with champagne near the courthouse after the trial was over. I think that was in such poor taste. Later, Cheney Mason gave one of the reporters the finger caught in this lovely picture. http://abcnews.go.com/US/slideshow/c...rdict-14003550

It's disgusting. Everyone is outraged and it is not about the defense at all. It is about being outraged at the injustice for Caylee's murder. The gesture was extremely disrespectful to her memory, and I am being kind here. Mason somehow thinks this is about him. Get over it, it's a high profile case and the media is covering it, if you don't like it, GO HOME!

Jondalar · #33 07-06-2011, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I know and I thought Baez was an idiot, but he seems to have pulled it off.

I think judges should be stricter about what they allow. Obfuscation does not equal a fair trial. Somehow this jury saw George as a villain. They denied the opening statement affected them but stated that they didn't believe his testimony. So it obviously did color their opinion. I'm generalizing based on the one statement of the alternate juror which was in the link from my previous post. Listen to it, it's so shocking. I can't wait to hear from other jurors. I would be very surprised if not one comes forward.

Me neither but I'm leaning toward it never happened. It's staggering to think how many actual cases are out there.

The defense team celebrated with champagne near the courthouse after the trial was over. I think that was in such poor taste. Later, Cheney Mason gave one of the reporters the finger caught in this lovely picture. http://abcnews.go.com/US/slideshow/c...rdict-14003550

It's disgusting. Everyone is outraged and it is not about the defense at all. It is about being outraged at the injustice for Caylee's murder. The gesture was extremely disrespectful to her memory, and I am being kind here. Mason somehow thinks this is about him. Get over it, it's a high profile case and the media is covering it, if you don't like it, GO HOME!

I don't think defense team actually put on a good defense. I think the jury wanted more from the prosecution like more DNA evidence.

I also think the jury was a little bit whacked. I heard the alternate jurors interview and he took the defense side all the way, including the part about Casey Anthony being a good mother. Casey's mom even said she was not a good mother. I mean I'm sure Casey probably tried to seem like a good mother in front of her friends, but her mom would know the truth. He also acted like Casey's father testimony was discredited. Based on what? The statements of a proven liar. A woman who had the gull to kill her own child would be capable of telling huge lies about her own family to save her ass.

I think the prosecution did a great job trying the case. The body was soooo decomposed that they never had enough dna evidence. However, I think Casey's actions such as not reporting her daughter missing after a month and all her lies actually were more than circumstantial evidence. The only reason Caley missing even got reported was because of her mother.

I really believe that the reason why she got away with it was because she was a woman.

BTFLCHLD · #34 07-06-2011, 07:22 PM

id be curious how they are able to resolve 30+ year old murders with dna evidence that may include exhumation of bones yet her body was too decomposed.

did they mention the cadaver dog that went balistic outside the vehicle? there was a time when that was good enough evidence.

if i found that someone is looking up 'household weapons' 'neck breaking' etc id pretty much know without a doubt they are considering killing somebody and then if that somebody went missing and later was found dead...well.

are they planning on doing anything about dirtbag that tampered with the evidence?

jannieC · #35 07-06-2011, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar

How is the whole family whacked? You have a hard working mother and father who loved their grand daughter. The only thing I see that made that family dysfunctional was Casey. The world revolved around her. She lied and lied and literally put her family through hell.

This is a very interesting article examining the Anthony family dynamics. "Whacked" isn't a nice word- I shouldn't have used it.

Macfanforever · #36 07-06-2011, 10:06 PM

Will I got jury duty in early August.I hope its not a murder case.I dont know how she got away with the charges.

SuzeQuze · #37 07-07-2011, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar

I don't think defense team actually put on a good defense. I think the jury wanted more from the prosecution like more DNA evidence.

I also think the jury was a little bit whacked. I heard the alternate jurors interview and he took the defense side all the way, including the part about Casey Anthony being a good mother. Casey's mom even said she was not a good mother. I mean I'm sure Casey probably tried to seem like a good mother in front of her friends, but her mom would know the truth. He also acted like Casey's father testimony was discredited. Based on what? The statements of a proven liar. A woman who had the gull to kill her own child would be capable of telling huge lies about her own family to save her ass.

I think the prosecution did a great job trying the case. The body was soooo decomposed that they never had enough dna evidence. However, I think Casey's actions such as not reporting her daughter missing after a month and all her lies actually were more than circumstantial evidence. The only reason Caley missing even got reported was because of her mother.

I really believe that the reason why she got away with it was because she was a woman.

I agree the defense didn't put on a good defense but it was effective. It worked to discredit anything the family said in the eyes of the jury. They found none of them credible despite the fact that there was no evidence of molestation.

The prosecution did do a great job, I agree. I also agree that Casey wouldn't have gotten off if she were a man. I think the jury was more sympathetic to her because she was a young mother. They bought into the defense's blaming the family for her behavior. They then decided, clouded with that bias they may not have even been aware of, that there wasn't enough evidence. Did they really need a smoking gun to convict? I wouldn't have and would still be in that room holding out for a guilty verdict.

SuzeQuze · #38 07-07-2011, 08:42 AM

First, it's a crappy tattoo. Second, in Spanish the adjective follows the noun so the tattoo should read Vita Bella. Third, the Spanish word for life is vida, so it actually should read Vida Bella. Translations made via http://babelfish.yahoo.com/.

Also, vita translates to bollard which means "a post of metal or wood on a wharf around which to fasten mooring lines" according to http://www.merriam-webster.com/.

So Casey's tattoo translates to Life Bollard. As a post stuck in the sea, that's a good life for her indeed.

Spanish speakers please chime in and correct me where I may be wrong.

SuzeQuze · #39 07-07-2011, 09:22 AM

Oh yeah! Casey's ex fiance is on Dr Drew tonight! Finally some inside info on the family. Granted we have to remember he's got his own agenda but still I can't wait for the scoop! I think an ex friend is also going to appear.

KarmaContestant · #40 07-07-2011, 09:50 AM

I think she's guilty. Very, very guilty.

People keep saying the justice system is broken or that it doesn't work, but I have to disagree. The whole point of a jury trial is to be judged by a group of peers, and that's exactly what happened. The prosecution had the burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and they just couldn't do it.

Jondalar · #41 07-07-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jannieC

This is a very interesting article examining the Anthony family dynamics. "Whacked" isn't a nice word- I shouldn't have used it.

I guess my view is that ever family is dysfunctional in some way. Does anyone read Anne Rule true crime novels? Try reading Small Sacrifices or Everything She Always Wanted. I hope she writes one about this case.

SuzeQuze · #42 07-07-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar

I guess my view is that ever family is dysfunctional in some way...

This is true but as a matter of degree there is great variance. How dysfunctional is this family? 50%? 80%? We are too far away to really know. Based on what we've seen we could speculate that there is severe dysfunction in this family. Most families probably have mild to moderate dysfunction. A smaller number of families have severe dysfunction. This is the kind of dysfunction that requires professional help to get better. But with narcissists and/or sex offenders the method is cover-up and not healing. I wonder which parent might be the narcissist, maybe both? I'm dying to see Casey's ex appear on Dr Drew tonight.

Thanks for posting that article, Jannie. What an eye opener.

skcin · #43 07-08-2011, 09:21 AM

[QUOTE=KarmaContestant;998784]I think she's guilty. Very, very guilty.

People keep saying the justice system is broken or that it doesn't work, but I have to disagree. The whole point of a jury trial is to be judged by a group of peers, and that's exactly what happened. The prosecution had the burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and they just couldn't do it.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you.

My theory is that if she really IS not guilty, she'll run away & hide & change her identity & get on with her life. If she's a guilty sociopath, she'll do interviews & TV & magazines & porn & whatnot, and revel in all that attention.

Time will tell...

SuzeQuze · #44 07-08-2011, 09:36 AM

[QUOTE=skcin;999016]

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Originally Posted by KarmaContestant

I think she's guilty. Very, very guilty.

People keep saying the justice system is broken or that it doesn't work, but I have to disagree. The whole point of a jury trial is to be judged by a group of peers, and that's exactly what happened. The prosecution had the burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and they just couldn't do it.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you.

My theory is that if she really IS not guilty, she'll run away & hide & change her identity & get on with her life. If she's a guilty sociopath, she'll do interviews & TV & magazines & porn & whatnot, and revel in all that attention.

Time will tell...

Casey's ex-fiance was sympathetic to her as he remembers her but said he doesn't recognize the person she is today. It seems she snapped at some point. He had some harsh words to say about Cindy, that she was cruel to Casey. He cited an example where Cindy said to him, with Casey right there, "I don't know why you would even date her. She's a loser with no high school education and no future for herself." That is not an exact quote but the gist of it. He responded by telling Cindy to never speak about Casey that way to him again. He seems grounded, smart, and nice. His words seem to back up the theory that Cindy is a narcissist. He said the whole family is effed and it was very uncomfortable to spend any time in that house.

skcin · #45 07-08-2011, 12:38 PM

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He cited an example where Cindy said to him, with Casey right there, "I don't know why you would even date her. She's a loser with no high school education and no future for herself." That is not an exact quote but the gist of it.

Well.....

Maybe Cindy was a proponent of tough love. Truth hurts, but hey.