Stevie songs that connect?

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by mikebise

Broader themes ~ like Life And Love In Rock And Roll And How It Kills A Relationship ~ Or Enter Competition ~

"After The Glitter Fades"
"What Has Rock And Roll Ever Done For You?"
"Greta"
"All The King's Horses"
"The Highwayman"
"Nothing Ever Changes"
"Gold And Braid"
"Paper Doll"
"One More Big Time Rock And Roll Star"
"Thrown Down"
"Garbo"
"My Heart"

You probably could add "Sweet Girl" to this list. To me, it's pretty much lyrically anyway, a "part 2" of "Gold & Braid".

[WildHearted]

Originally Posted by Heartboy

*LMAO*

Stevie likes to give simple meanings behind her songs but theres more to them than she lets on. Like 'Edge of 17', there has to be more than her cousin & John Lennon to that song. Was her cousin almost 17 at the time?

Actually, I think that was her uncle. Stevie and her cousin were the only ones there when her uncle died... I think that was the basic situation?

Well, personally, I've always associated "He was no more... than a baby then /Well he... seemed broken hearted... / Something within him / But the moment... that I first laid... / Eyes... on... him... all alone... /On the edge of... seventeen" with Stevie first meeting Lindsey. That's just what it sounds like to me :/

But really this song is kind of cryptic in my opinion. You can attribute the 'And I see you doing what I try to do for me / With the words of a poet... (etc)" to John Lennon, I think, as well as the 'Well I went searching for an answer, up the stairs and down the hall... (etc)" (that whole sphiel) to when her uncle died.

"The clouds never expect it, when it rains.. (etc)" is again, just a broader statement regarding changes, life, death, etc inspired by John and her uncle.

Then the end, "Well, I hear you in the morning, and I hear you in the night fall"... could be interpreted many ways, but personally I think it is a continuation of the first verse (especially the 'I'm a few years older than you, my love), bringing it all full circle.

EDIT: Also, seems a lot of people think that this is really about losing her virginity, or some variation of that theme. I can totally totally see that, and to be honest, if you're just looking at the song it makes a lot more logical sense. However, above, I'm trying to take what Stevie says into account at least somewhat, but I definitely don't think that's all there is to the song. Like I said, to say the song is COMPLETELY about John Lennon/her uncle is kind of ludicrous, if not a bit creepy.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

Actually, I think that was her uncle. Stevie and her cousin were the only ones there when her uncle died... I think that was the basic situation?

Well, personally, I've always associated "He was no more... than a baby then /Well he... seemed broken hearted... / Something within him / But the moment... that I first laid... / Eyes... on... him... all alone... /On the edge of... seventeen" with Stevie first meeting Lindsey. That's just what it sounds like to me :/ ...

Then the end, "Well, I hear you in the morning, and I hear you in the night fall"... could be interpreted many ways, but personally I think it is a continuation of the first verse (especially the 'I'm a few years older than you, my love), bringing it all full circle.

EDIT: Also, seems a lot of people think that this is really about losing her virginity, or some variation of that theme. I can totally totally see that, and to be honest, if you're just looking at the song it makes a lot more logical sense. However, in my above attempted analysis, I try to take what Stevie takes into account somewhat, but I definitely don't think that's all there is to the song. Like I said, to say the song is COMPLETELY about John Lennon/her uncle is kind of ludicrous, if not a bit creepy.

EXACTLY. It's obviously about Lindsey, it fits totally into their story. I agree with the virginity and/or variation on the theme - if not her then him! I think there's more going on in the song too, but I think whatever that is, it is only about something going on in their relationship and that the John Lennon/Uncle Bill connection she makes is strictly about the timing of the recording/release - and that none of the lyrics have one iota to do with them.

[WildHearted]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

EXACTLY. It's obviously about Lindsey, it fits totally into their story. I agree with the virginity and/or variation on the theme - if not her then him! I think there's more to the song but I think the John Lennon/Uncle Bill connection is strictly about the timing of the recording/release, not that any of the lyrics have one iota to do with them.

Yeah. I mean, of course it's all speculation, but pretty much all of the lyrics DO fit Lindsey, if you just ignore the Lennon/Uncle notion.

"And I see you doing what I try to do for me
With the words of a poet
And the voice of a choir
And a melody, and nothing else mattered"

---> Lindsey 'taking her songs and making them great,' as Stevie puts it. Or, could even continuing with the first verse - she sees him in the middle of the room playing guitar and singing, like she tries to do, and she just walks up and joins him like nothing else matters. (As I mentioned in my above post, this could just as easily be about Lennon and her admiring his music and what not. just for the sake of discussion!)


Also, I can't even believe that even having heard the virginity theory, I never related it to this line of the song: "Ooh, baby ooh, said ooh."

[mikebise]

Originally Posted by chiliD

You probably could add "Sweet Girl" to this list. To me, it's pretty much lyrically anyway, a "part 2" of "Gold & Braid".

Absolutely! Great call!

There are so many about the rock and roll woman while her heart breaks...

"I want to fly through the world in a golden ball!"

[APerfectLie]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

Actually, I think that was her uncle. Stevie and her cousin were the only ones there when her uncle died... I think that was the basic situation?

Well, personally, I've always associated "He was no more... than a baby then /Well he... seemed broken hearted... / Something within him / But the moment... that I first laid... / Eyes... on... him... all alone... /On the edge of... seventeen" with Stevie first meeting Lindsey. That's just what it sounds like to me :/

But really this song is kind of cryptic in my opinion. You can attribute the 'And I see you doing what I try to do for me / With the words of a poet... (etc)" to John Lennon, I think, as well as the 'Well I went searching for an answer, up the stairs and down the hall... (etc)" (that whole sphiel) to when her uncle died.

"The clouds never expect it, when it rains.. (etc)" is again, just a broader statement regarding changes, life, death, etc inspired by John and her uncle.

Then the end, "Well, I hear you in the morning, and I hear you in the night fall"... could be interpreted many ways, but personally I think it is a continuation of the first verse (especially the 'I'm a few years older than you, my love), bringing it all full circle.

EDIT: Also, seems a lot of people think that this is really about losing her virginity, or some variation of that theme. I can totally totally see that, and to be honest, if you're just looking at the song it makes a lot more logical sense. However, above, I'm trying to take what Stevie says into account at least somewhat, but I definitely don't think that's all there is to the song. Like I said, to say the song is COMPLETELY about John Lennon/her uncle is kind of ludicrous, if not a bit creepy.

Not to mention she got the idea from Tom Petty's wife.

[UndoingTheLaces]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

EDIT: Also, seems a lot of people think that this is really about losing her virginity, or some variation of that theme. I can totally totally see that, and to be honest, if you're just looking at the song it makes a lot more logical sense. However, above, I'm trying to take what Stevie says into account at least somewhat, but I definitely don't think that's all there is to the song. Like I said, to say the song is COMPLETELY about John Lennon/her uncle is kind of ludicrous, if not a bit creepy.

Do you all remember CD long boxes? They were roughly the size of half an LP and were sort of created to ease the transition from album to CD, mostly with the record stores who all had to get new shelving. Anyway, I could swear the long box for Belladonna had something on the back about Edge being about Stevie losing her virginity. And for years I took that as gospel because it was printed right there on the CD box. Even when Timespace came out and Stevie said it was about her uncle, I thought she was backpedaling and trying to cover up revealing the true meaning of a song that might have been too personal. I know better now. Looking back I think they sometimes stuck blurbs taken from magazines of record reviews on the boxes just to fill space, or had some hack write a review to get you to buy the CD. Does anyone still have this? I threw mine away years ago.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Ok, I know years ago she equated "Gypsy" with Robin, but it is not technically a Robin song. She wrote it before Robin died or became ill, but it was the single at the time of Robin's death. Stevie finally gave the story behind "Gypsy" on the last FM tour, explaining it was a song recapturing 1969 when she and Lindsey lived in a house in Los Gatos and had no furniture, therefore sleeping on the mattress on the floor.

I thought she once said it was about returning home from the Tusk tour and staying in a small room in someone's house...and she decorated it with "paper lace and flowers"....thus going back to the "gypsy that I was" prior to fame and fortune.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

Yeah. I mean, of course it's all speculation, but pretty much all of the lyrics DO fit Lindsey, if you just ignore the Lennon/Uncle notion.

"And I see you doing what I try to do for me
With the words of a poet
And the voice of a choir
And a melody, and nothing else mattered"

---> Lindsey 'taking her songs and making them great,' as Stevie puts it. Or, could even continuing with the first verse - she sees him in the middle of the room playing guitar and singing, like she tries to do, and she just walks up and joins him like nothing else matters. (As I mentioned in my above post, this could just as easily be about Lennon and her admiring his music and what not. just for the sake of discussion!)


Also, I can't even believe that even having heard the virginity theory, I never related it to this line of the song: "Ooh, baby ooh, said ooh."

LOL! Right! And, the wail after she says she went forward with an age old desire to please...

Originally Posted by APerfectLie

Not to mention she got the idea from Tom Petty's wife.

Ha! I dare Lindsey one time to say he met Stevie when he was on the "edge of 17"...

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

I thought she once said it was about returning home from the Tusk tour and staying in a small room in someone's house...and she decorated it with "paper lace and flowers"....thus going back to the "gypsy that I was" prior to fame and fortune.

Never heard anything about the Tusk tour, but wasn't that around the time it was written? I remember her saying when she wrote it she was going through the whole struggle with fame thing and put her mattresses on the floor to remember what it was like before that happened...so yeah that would make sense too.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Ha! I dare Lindsey one time to say he met Stevie when he was on the "edge of 17"...

She misunderstood again. When she first met Tom's wife, she asked when they met. Stevie thought she said at the "edge of seventeen", but she actually said, "at the age of seventeen."

[Heartboy]

So was the 'Nightbird' (Lindsey) in the song telling Stevie to "Cum Away..Cum Away"

[APerfectLie]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Interestingly, Stevie said in Atlanta last week that "Sorcerer" was written before she and Lindsey moved to LA (or around the same time), so it actually predates "Rhiannon", which she says she wrote in Aspen in 1973...it also screws up her prior explanation in which she stated it was written and about being dropped by the label after BN bombed...



Ok, I know years ago she equated "Gypsy" with Robin, but it is not technically a Robin song. She wrote it before Robin died or became ill, but it was the single at the time of Robin's death. Stevie finally gave the story behind "Gypsy" on the last FM tour, explaining it was a song recapturing 1969 when she and Lindsey lived in a house in Los Gatos and had no furniture, therefore sleeping on the mattress on the floor.

"The song Gypsy isn't a real happy story. Gypsy is a lot about returning to San Francisco. And Gypsy was written when my best friend [Robin] died of Leukemia and uh ...about the fact that she wasn't going to see the rest of this: I still see your bright eyes, it was like she wasn't ...going to make it. And uh, I was like the lone gypsy ~ this was my best friend from when I was 15 and so I was a solo gypsy all of a sudden and it was very sad for me and that's sometimes when I write my very best songs.

Robin had been on the road with Fleetwood Mac for five years. As my speech therapist and also management, an incredibly efficient helper. I still miss your bright eyes ~ that's why we don't do it on stage ~ it's because it's really too hard for me to sing. Lightening strikes maybe once, maybe twice... that means one time in your life you find a very good friend, and maybe if you're incredibly lucky, you might find a second. It all comes down to you, means but you have to look very hard."

She wrote most of the song before Robin became ill, but she definitely added parts about Robin and in essence changed the meaning.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by APerfectLie

"The song Gypsy isn't a real happy story. Gypsy is a lot about returning to San Francisco. And Gypsy was written when my best friend [Robin] died of Leukemia and uh ...about the fact that she wasn't going to see the rest of this: I still see your bright eyes, it was like she wasn't ...going to make it. And uh, I was like the lone gypsy ~ this was my best friend from when I was 15 and so I was a solo gypsy all of a sudden and it was very sad for me and that's sometimes when I write my very best songs.

Robin had been on the road with Fleetwood Mac for five years. As my speech therapist and also management, an incredibly efficient helper. I still miss your bright eyes ~ that's why we don't do it on stage ~ it's because it's really too hard for me to sing. Lightening strikes maybe once, maybe twice... that means one time in your life you find a very good friend, and maybe if you're incredibly lucky, you might find a second. It all comes down to you, means but you have to look very hard."

She wrote most of the song before Robin became ill, but she definitely added parts about Robin and in essence changed the meaning.

Right, I am familiar with the quote. But, the song itself is not about Robin's illness or Stevie's grief over her death. She wrote the song in 1979, 3 years before Robin died or was sick and they were singing it onstage during the Mirage tour as their current single when Robin actually passed away....

Apparently, the meaning for her changed again during the Unleashed Tour. Happens.

[michelej1]

How Still My Love and Edge of Seventeen.
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