Tiny little problem in Stevie's schpiel this tour

[Christopher]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

I didn't hear what she said about Love Is at the concert the other night, but conflation is her absolute stock-in-trade. Honestly, I don't think she has any idea that she does it, and that if she was called on it she'd be amazed at how much her recollection of many, many things departs from empirical evidence.

It's not unique to her, either. I have two sisters and although we all grew up in the same house, you'd never know it to listen to us.

There is some merit to this statement. True, and very succinct.

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

conflation is her absolute stock-in-trade.

Very true. I remember a year or so ago I was really angered by something she said about the Unleashed tour. Something along the lines of the band's tour schedule was so intense it was about to kill them. I got SEVERELY p!ssed because working for 3 hours every 3 days is hardly an intense job. Most of the time Stevie's staggeringly out of touch views are endearing... sometimes, they're borderline infuriating.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by TrueFaith77

Right and she said that the album kinda disappeared because of 9/11, so "Love Is" disappeared with it.

And I tend to agree with that statement. Not to mention she came dangerously close to canceling that whole tour.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Ghost_Tracker

Uhm - Has she HEARD of the Internet?

I don't think she'd be performing the piano demo version of Love Is if she didn't. There's a lot of love for this version on YouTube and other places and I do believe someone might have mentioned it to her. Think about it. When was the last time you ever heard her do a piano demo version of one of her produced songs? Someone's keeping track.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

Very true. I remember a year or so ago I was really angered by something she said about the Unleashed tour. Something along the lines of the band's tour schedule was so intense it was about to kill them. I got SEVERELY p!ssed because working for 3 hours every 3 days is hardly an intense job. Most of the time Stevie's staggeringly out of touch views are endearing... sometimes, they're borderline infuriating.

I know it sounds insane. But the traveling and the waiting and the time changes and the boredom can really take its toll on someone in their 60's. It's not as easy as it appears to be.

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I don't think she'd be performing the piano demo version of Love Is if she didn't. There's a lot of love for this version on YouTube and other places and I do believe someone might have mentioned it to her. Think about it. When was the last time you ever heard her do a piano demo version of one of her produced songs? Someone's keeping track.

Yeah, she's talked about how Karen found Secret Love on Youtube and brought the song to Stevie when she was looking for new songs for In Your Dreams. Apparently the youtube copy ended up being even better quality than the cassette copy Stevie had in her collection.

[tabruns]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I know it sounds insane. But the traveling and the waiting and the time changes and the boredom can really take its toll on someone in their 60's. It's not as easy as it appears to be.

I'd be surprised if its actually "3 hours of work" too. There's likely lots of backstage things going on too.

[tabruns]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

If I'm not mistaken, TISL had pretty much fallen off of the charts by 9/11. Again, I'm not saying that Stevie does not have a right to feel horrified and scarred by the whole experience. I'm just saying that she is conflating 9/11 with her performing the song "Love Is," which just doesn't make sense to me. It was never in the setlist then, so what does 9/11 have to do with it? She killed off the song herself.

I think her points is likely that Trouble In Shangri-La disappeared after the 9/11 shock and because it did she basically forgot about this song and has recently come back to it.

[Christopher]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

Apparently the youtube copy ended up being even better quality than the cassette copy Stevie had in her collection.

She didn't even come close to implying that. She said they (Lori) couldn't find the tape in Phoenix, so the YouTube version that Karen stumbled upon, was a pretty good copy to go off of, instead of just the fragments that she had of the song from memory.

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by Christopher

She didn't even come close to implying that.

And in turn, what she said probably wasn't even close to the 100% truth . Like you said earlier in the thread, we can rarely take anything she says completely literally.

The whole point being, youtube saved the day for Stevie.

[Ghost_Tracker]

Originally Posted by tabruns

I think her points is likely that Trouble In Shangri-La disappeared after the 9/11 shock and because it did she basically forgot about this song and has recently come back to it.

I was just reading everyone's posts and this seems very possible to me.
If one were to take her actual words, they would mean - even though she
might not realize it - "The song 'Love is' was taken off of the album because
of 9/11" (or something along those lines, equally untrue and not possible -
I don't recall her exact words). But if someone drew it to her attention she'd
probably say "OH well that's of course not what I meant!"
I really do think she has a "minor mental glitch" or personality trait which
causes her to be extremely imprecise in the way she phrases things - she
somehow seems to have difficulty expressing herself with (spoken) verbal
speech sometimes - seriously, maybe that's a part of why she does it so well
with song, instead!

P.S. - In my honest opinion, the other side of the problem is that there's no one in her camp
who has the guts to call her on these things. Early-on, someone could have said, "Uhm . . . . STEE-vie! . . . . "
But I think we've all realized by now that people in her "circle" tend to steer way clear of contradicting her.
It reminds me of the Jane Austin novel "Emma" - The one who Emma ended up *actually* respecting was
the one who called her on her bullsh*t!
(There's an awesome movie based on it starring Gwyneth Paltrow.)

[Christopher]

Originally Posted by Ghost_Tracker

I really do think she has a "minor mental glitch" or personality trait which
causes her to be extremely imprecise in the way she phrases things - she
somehow seems to have difficulty expressing herself with (spoken) verbal
speech sometimes - seriously, maybe that's a part of why she does it so well
with song, instead!

Thats f*cking hillarious!

Stevie didn't always have difficulty expressing herself. Some of my favorite radio interviews are from the Tusk, Bella Donna, Wild Heart & OSOTM eras. But her RAL interview with "whats his name" - memories escaping me now LOL, were very EXPRESSIVE in a very good way!

I think all the weed has re-wired her synapses. All that rockin' a little has caught up with her, along with the normal brain related/memory problems most of us have to look forward too later in life:

[AliceLover]

I disagree...

I think the album DID disappear after 9/11. First of all, she ended the tour and went right into recording with the Mac. Second of all, when Stevie did an interview with Jim Ladd before the 2005 Vegas shows, they discussed Fall From Grace and the album at great length. Stevie said at the time that it was her first time listening to Fall From Grace since 2001.

I believe her.

[Ghost_Tracker]

Originally Posted by AliceLover

I disagree...

I think the album DID disappear after 9/11. First of all, she ended the tour and went right into recording with the Mac. Second of all, when Stevie did an interview with Jim Ladd before the 2005 Vegas shows, they discussed Fall From Grace and the album at great length. Stevie said at the time that it was her first time listening to Fall From Grace since 2001.

I believe her.

I don't have a feeling of not believing her - I think most of us who caught this
have more of a feeling, at the most, of "Well NO that's not technically true and
it probably would be better if she phrased it a little more accurately - she seems
to not really realize the literal meaning of her words, there."

[APerfectLie]

Notice she always has a problem with every album she's ever done?