Childfree

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Sleepless-Child

, i agree, but i have to work on the "who cares what they think"-part. Cause i already know i'm right :P.
That's a great philosophy, really. I don't think i'll ever be able to deal with those control issues, because i've always been a bit touchy, but i do hope i'll learn to enjoy debating without getting angry, and to laugh about all of this like you do.

I really learned a little lesson here . Thank you, and goodnight!

You too!

[vivfox]

I forgot to mention another thing that drives me crazy is the crying baby who always is in the seat behind me on the airplane or in the restaurant.

[McTrouble]

Originally Posted by Fleetwoodmark

Just looking over this thread makes me depressed - I've never seen such a collection of selfishness and self centered out pourings -

You don't want kids because you don't want to deviate any of your money away from yourself ?

That's probably the most distasteful thing I've heard in a long time !

It may be selfish and self-centred but what's wrong with that? Surely it would be worse to bring unwanted children into the world just because it conforms to the "norm"?

Any why have kids when you haven't a maternal or paternal bone in your body? I, personally, am not made of stone - I am a great lover of animals and can go really mushy over dogs and cats, and animal cruelty breaks my heart the same as child cruelty breaks other people's hearts (mind you, I don't tolerate child cruelty either).

Different strokes for different folks, is all.

[McTrouble]

Originally Posted by vivfox

I'm 49 now. When I was 15 I said I was never going to get married and never going to have kids. My family was convinced I was gonna be the one to have the most kids.

I never got married and I never had kids. For a few minutes in my late 30's I wished I had kids but that was because I was lonely and thought they would fill that void.

With pride I can state that I have never changed a diaper in my life. Kids annoy me. Keep them away from me. Please don't toss your kid on the phone when I've called to talk to YOU. Nothing annoys me more than to have to talk baby talk to a toddler.

A good friend recently had a baby and keeps badgering me to come over and see it. I don't give a fu&k about newborns. It only means I have to spend money on a gift. Plus she lives on the 4th floor of an apt. building with no elevator and Viv does not want to climb those stairs!

Like others have mentioned, I too am selfish with my time and money. I love my nieces and nephews but was always happy to send them back to their parents when they annoyed me.

I used to babysit my young cousins back in the early 1980's and these two girls always pissed me off. They recently reminded me that in order to chase them out of the room I would loudly sing songs by Stevie Nicks and they would repulsively run upstairs to avoid my horrible singing.

I have a policy that no one is aloud to bring their kids into my home if they are 3 years old or younger. They touch things and break things. Not cool.

And lastly(I really don't mean to offend any Ledgie) I don't like feeling obligated to say, "congratulations, you are having a baby!" But I have said this in the past and unfortunately will have to say this in the future again and again.

Rant over.

Good God - are we twins?

You're a Viv, I'm a Viv.

You're 49, I'm 49.

Kids annoy you, kids annoy me.

I love my nieces and nephews but am happy to give them back.

I don't allow kids in my house (I can just about tolerate them on their own territory).

And I can rant for England about the little s***heads over the garden fence - I f***ing detest them!

[McTrouble]

Originally Posted by bluefox4000

Wow the sensitivity. It's a thread for people who don't want kids. We're not saying boil children

just....wow

Mick

Mmmm, well.........

[McTrouble]

Originally Posted by vivfox

I forgot to mention another thing that drives me crazy is the crying baby who always is in the seat behind me on the airplane or in the restaurant.

Or the kid who's about 6 or 7 who KICKS the back of your seat on the plane for 12 whole hours and the parents think you're the one being unreasonable!!!

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by McTrouble

Or the kid who's about 6 or 7 who KICKS the back of your seat on the plane for 12 whole hours and the parents think you're the one being unreasonable!!!

Yes! Yes! My fine twin, yes!!

[michelle2677]

Originally Posted by Fleetwoodmark

Just looking over this thread makes me depressed - I've never seen such a collection of selfishness and self centered out pourings - You don't want kids because you don't want to deviate any of your money away from yourself ?

That's probably the most distasteful thing I've heard in a long time !

i don't understand what is so wrong and distasteful. when i was younger i didn't want kids just because i didn't want to have to lose any sleep everyone has different priorities, and i really don't think someone not having children is going to greatly interfere with your life so what difference does it make?

Originally Posted by Sleepless-Child

Thank you. . Some humanity here.



I have nothing against the fact that you, for example, don't want children. But tell me the only reason isn't that "you don't like kids". Just tell me that and i'll calm down .

why? why should someone who doesn't like kids...have kids? that sounds kind of stupid to me. i don't like kids because i don't like drool, vomit, backtalking, poopy diapers, chocolatey fingers on walls, constant breakage of expensive items, childproofing.... i could go on and on, but i have 12 other quotes to tend to. i'm sure things will be different when i have my own. i have a dog and i gladly take care of those things (even the backtalking) and think nothing of it. when he's up in the middle of the night throwing up, i'm up cleaing it and making sure he's ok. i would be that way with my child, too, at least i hope "aw hell, kid, clean your **** up, i'm going back to sleep"

Originally Posted by jannieC

I'm not sure what difference why someone doesn't want kids makes. Some people really are repelled by kids; everyone has their own reasons. What difference does it make?
Also want to add that I never bring my toddler into other people's homes. Nor do I bring her to most restaurants. I am trying to work on her "out in public" skills and don't want to ruin anyone else's dinner with her toddler-ness.

My director had a cook out last summer and I mistakenly brought Laney. Most people were inside because it was unbearably hot; I spent the entire evening stooped over, chasing after the child. My director has traveled the world and her house was filled with priceless artifacts. I thought I would DIE.

THANK YOU!

oh, and one thing that burns my a$$ is when people bring their demon hood rats on wheels to my highly breakable house and complain because it's not "baby proof". i always say "uh no ****, sherlock...i don't have kids. remember?"

Originally Posted by KarmaContestant

Life is a journey; a lesson if you will, where each person has the wonderful opportunity to experience the various things our world has to offer. For some people, children enhance that experience. For others, children interfere with that experience (although one can always make the argument that people without kids don't know what they are missing - but that works both ways as well).

I'd agree it's odd when someone says "I don't like children." but I think this statement is spoken out of context. I'd venture that most people who say they don't like kids really mean to say that they don't have the desire to raise children of their own. It's a mistake I've made, too. A true dislike for kids is, in the end, kind of creepy.

the top part. yes. thank you. perfect. the second part-no, i really don't like kids. other people's that is. i can't say how i'll feel about my own because i don't have any. but i do love the hell out of my dog. does that count?

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by michelle2677

but i do love the hell out of my dog. does that count?

Parents always used to get so mad at me, because I'd compare Cash(my now deceased dog, to you newbies) to their child.
(thinking) "Oh I'm sorry, my dog is much better, than your brat!"
I'd take a good dog, over a brat kid, any day of the week!

[louielouie2000]

What I don't get is why people feel they have a right to get upset with other people regarding their life decisions... such as if they do or do not want to have children. Or whether to get married or not. Or to be a part of organized religion or not. All of these things are intensely personal, private matters. Why do other people (oftentimes strangers) feel they have a right to judge someone else's personal, private decisions? If you want kids, great. If you don't want kids, great. If you want to get married to your significant other, fantastic. If you want to live in "sin" then pull up a chair! Bottom line... who CARES?

[markolas]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

What I don't get is why people feel they have a right to get upset with other people regarding their life decisions...

Because they need to be validated by other people's choices. A lot of times, people feel like they're being judged simply because you've made a different choice (the choice to have/not have kids, to start or quit smoking, to start or stop being religious, etc.).

I used to be a tee-totaler. I had a friend who was absolutely driven up the wall by this. I didn't make a big deal about it, I just...didn't drink. He would harass me about it every chance he got: "Why don't you drink?" "It's weird that you don't drink." "You should have a drink." He felt like I was judging him by my not drinking, and he needed for me to validate his choice to drink by drinking myself.

Same thing with the kids thing. Having kids is something "everybody does" in most people's estimation. By not following the "life script" people think you're making a value judgment against them for following it.

[McTrouble]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Parents always used to get so mad at me, because I'd compare Cash(my now deceased dog, to you newbies) to their child.
(thinking) "Oh I'm sorry, my dog is much better, than your brat!"
I'd take a good dog, over a brat kid, any day of the week!

Me too - you get all that love and affection without the backchat and the stress and the sh***y nappies (diapers).

OK, you have to take care of the doggydoos but that's a doddle compared to a baby's poopies - how does something so small produce the substance from Hell?

[McTrouble]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

BINGO!!!!
People, stop being so fukcing sensitive. We're only saying how we feel. If you don't like it, don't read this thread.

Maybe we should start two new threads. One for religion, and one for abortion....
Now THOSE would be fun!!!
Because I get the feeling, that 85% of us, are probably agnostic/atheist, and pro-abortion.
So the other 15%, can just freak the fukc out, over our opinions!
Fun, fun, fun!

Threads for abortion and religion - are you trying to start Ledge War One? Why not go the whole hog and do politics as well?

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by McTrouble

Threads for abortion and religion - are you trying to start Ledge War One? Why not go the whole hog and do politics as well?

Because I avoid politics, at ALL costs!
I don't care, about religion or abortion! Non issues, for me!

[ButterCookie]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Parents always used to get so mad at me, because I'd compare Cash(my now deceased dog, to you newbies) to their child.
(thinking) "Oh I'm sorry, my dog is much better, than your brat!"
I'd take a good dog, over a brat kid, any day of the week!

I compare Max to babies. A good friend has acquaintances who are having kids left right and centre (LITERALLY) and she's forever showing me photos from photoshoots that she's done with them or even worse, pregnant mothers. I have a legit phobia of pregnancy and birth. It's horrible. Anyway, said friend is constantly showing me these photos and telling me what she'd call her baby and I'm the one going "but you have Hendrix! and Pippa and George! Surely a dog and two cats is enough to care for?" because I know I'll be expected to go see hers if and when she has one and probably go to the christening/baby shower/first poop everything.

I'd probably take a bad dog (oh wait, I have one... cheers for that his previous owners!) over a good child. I'm good at taking care of things like fish, house plants, dogs, cats, rabbits etc I just don't have the right amount of patience to keep a child happy and feeling fully cared for, Max goes to sleep when we've been for a walk down to the record shop. That suits me fine. He smells sweet when he sleeps and more importantly, he's not waking up every hour to have his butt wiped Like Michelle said, I've been up with him just because he's upset or if he's being sick and I let him sleep IN my bed when he's not well. I'm not made of stone, I just feel happier around animals as opposed to people (of any age).