**New Single** - Secret Love

[TrueFaith77]

Originally Posted by SuiteShangriLa

the lines:

Come on it’s time to go outside
i cant go be in that world alone

and:

I am not asking salvation from you
I’m just asking to be safe for a while

are not in the original demo. they were probably added/changed recently, when the song was recorded.

Thank you.

And this is not a question of grammar, this is a question of theology.

Stevie Nicks is a cliffdweller from the old school.

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by blinker12

I am still not a fan of the production. I think it's very "2000-late," and will sound even more dated in a few years.

I will totally give you this. The production will date fairly quickly. But you can say that about all of Stevie's albums. They're all highly produced, and implement the most ripe style of production at the time they were recorded. Outside of Fleetwood Mac, Stevie doesn't seem interested in pared down, simple, or straightforward production styles though. I think she actually likes playing with what's hot in the world of sound at the moment, because Lindsey always has his own motives of what he thinks FM should sound like.

It took me a long time to come to this assumption, but I think Rock A Little is one of Stevie's best albums... and it's EASILY her most dated and overproduced work. TISL dated pretty quickly, but I'd argue it's still a very good album as well. I think it's pretty cool Stevie's in her 60s, and has no qualms going for this very youthful production style we hear on Secret Love. Good for her!

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

I will totally give you this. The production will date fairly quickly. But you can say that about all of Stevie's albums. They're all highly produced, and implement the most ripe style of production at the time they were recorded. Outside of Fleetwood Mac, Stevie doesn't seem interested in pared down, simple, or straightforward production styles though. I think she actually likes playing with what's hot in the world of sound at the moment, because Lindsey always has his own motives of what he thinks FM should sound like.

It took me a long time to come to this assumption, but I think Rock A Little is one of Stevie's best albums... and it's EASILY her most dated and overproduced work. TISL dated pretty quickly, but I'd argue it's still a very good album as well. I think it's pretty cool Stevie's in her 60s, and has no qualms going for this very youthful production style we hear on Secret Love. Good for her!

I disagree with you. I love the Wild Heart but it's her most dated work to me. The song sounds a lot like 10CC "I'm not in love", especially the ending and that song did not date fairly quickly. I think it was produced this way because of her voice. Anyway, I'm happy.

[TrueFaith77]

The production is boring. The orchestration is dull. It sounds like an Idol contestant's first single. But: The lyrics are wise. And her voice exudes experience.

[HejiraNYC]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

I will totally give you this. The production will date fairly quickly. But you can say that about all of Stevie's albums. They're all highly produced, and implement the most ripe style of production at the time they were recorded. Outside of Fleetwood Mac, Stevie doesn't seem interested in pared down, simple, or straightforward production styles though. I think she actually likes playing with what's hot in the world of sound at the moment, because Lindsey always has his own motives of what he thinks FM should sound like.

It took me a long time to come to this assumption, but I think Rock A Little is one of Stevie's best albums... and it's EASILY her most dated and overproduced work. TISL dated pretty quickly, but I'd argue it's still a very good album as well. I think it's pretty cool Stevie's in her 60s, and has no qualms going for this very youthful production style we hear on Secret Love. Good for her!

I don't know why you keep saying this. To me there is nothing about TISL that screams "this is so 2001 ." I think TISL is timeless and is perhaps the most progressive album she has ever produced. I really can't think of one song on it that sounds like it couldn't have been released today.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

I don't know why you keep saying this. To me there is nothing about TISL that screams "this is so 2001 ." I think TISL is timeless and is perhaps the most progressive album she has ever produced. I really can't think of one song on it that sounds like it couldn't have been released today.

Well, I agree with you. It could be released today. I don't really like the album, but the production is defintely not dated. The Wild Heart is definitely dated.

[Christopher]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

I don't know why you keep saying this. To me there is nothing about TISL that screams "this is so 2001 ." I think TISL is timeless and is perhaps the most progressive album she has ever produced. I really can't think of one song on it that sounds like it couldn't have been released today.

Agreed. To my ears the production on TISL sounds just as contemporary today as it did when it was released. I feel sometimes people may confuse their opinion that TISL was a bit over-produced with it sounding dated as mutually exclusive. However If you compare TISL with most songs/albums on top 40 today, It sounds like a stripped down acoustic outing

[Tango]

I love the Trouble In Shangri-La album, and don't think the production is dated at all. What's wrong with me??????

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

Well, I agree with you. It could be released today. I don't really like the album, but the production is defintely not dated. The Wild Heart is definitely dated.

And "Rock A Little" is the MOST dated of all. I think TISL sounds great. It would've sounded better and more cohesive with only one producer, but all in all it's a great album, one of her best I would say.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

And "Rock A Little" is the MOST dated of all. I think TISL sounds great. It would've sounded better and more cohesive with only one producer, but all in all it's a great album, one of her best I would say.

I love the Wild Heart, but it was dated 3 years after it's release. I think it's the most dated. Unfortunately, it's one of her besst albums though.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by SuiteShangriLa

the lines:

Come on it’s time to go outside
i cant go be in that world alone

and:

I am not asking salvation from you
I’m just asking to be safe for a while

are not in the original demo. they were probably added/changed recently, when the song was recorded.

True - but we don't know how long this original poem/song was even if it wasn't in the original demo. Dave's influence may have been to tell her to add something or to look at what she had written before and say use that or she could have told him she couldn't figure out where to place it. I'm sure he did advise with structuring, etc.

The thing that bothers me most about the song is this:

But you need some rest
My darling, it's best
"But we've already passed it," I cried
Ooh, wee, listen to me
My secret love secretly dies

******
Passed what? A test? Well, it seems obvious that word is missing throughout the whole song. Also, would it have made more sense to say something like:

But, you say "This test
My darling is best"
"But, we've already passed it. I've tried."
"Ooh wee listen to me", my secret love secretly cried

Eh. It's Stevie, I'll get over it. I still think it sounds great.

[sorcerer999]

I actually really like the production of this song. The end (right before the drop out on the "single" version) reminds me a bit of early U2.

And little things make me smile, like the last half of the 2nd verse when she starts with "I am not asking salvation..." and in the background you hear an acoustic guitar strumming one chord over and over again, kind of helps build up the song a bit and makes it hopeful (I don't know anyway else to describe it, but that's just what I feel when I hear it).

Also the electric piano part during "..still we're already paying the price..." that hearkens back to the original demo.

It's definitely not boring to me.

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

The thing that bothers me most about the song is this:

But you need some rest
My darling, it's best
"But we've already passed it," I cried
Ooh, wee, listen to me
My secret love secretly dies

******
Passed what? A test?

As in the moment has passed? I dunno... that's what I got out of it

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

I don't know why you keep saying this. To me there is nothing about TISL that screams "this is so 2001 ." I think TISL is timeless and is perhaps the most progressive album she has ever produced. I really can't think of one song on it that sounds like it couldn't have been released today.

Guys... dated does not have to mean BAD. It just means it's a moment in time... a snapshot, if you will. And I'm sorry, you can't have an album that's progressive that doesn't date itself. By the virtue of something being progressive, that means it's different than what came before it. Progressive in 2001 is not going to sound progressive in 2011. Regarding not being able to think of one song that sounds like it couldn't have been released today: Love Changes. Trust, I love TISL. At the time, I thought it was the best album she'd recorded since Bella Donna. I still think it's great, and not nearly as dated sounding as the Dance, for instance. My biggest beef with the album is the production, and especially the mixing, is soupy. But I truly adore the album. And for the billionth time, I adore Stevie too.

[mylittledemon]

Mmm... soup.