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Yep! Here's betting Spring means June 2011.
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Bearing in mind that from everything we've read the album has not even been completely recorded yet, this release date moakes perfect sense. There was no way it was ever going to be in June this year! Of course it may get delayed though.
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Didn't SN say in the printed interview that the album was done? 14 songs completed, but I doubt all 14 will be on the cd, she didn't say they all would be, or would not be.
I believe it was her 2nd interview before starting 'Not A Tour', a Ledgie posted it and it was also on the NicksLive Blogspot. "Just about finished" in respect to the entire album is what I think she said, which I take to mean the lead vocals are completed. As for all this talk about touring exactly or right about as the album drops- Stevie may have done it that way, but others, one specifically -I'll get slammed if I mention who- released an album in October, and her tour began in May of the next year. OK, it was Cher and 'Believe' with a US release in the autumn of 1998. The 1999 tour benefitted by the cd having been released in the fall, it had legs, she planned the tour and did 6 or so songs from the cd and it kept the cd selling, performing the songs live. Four Grammy nominations, and one Grammy win. Granted, it was 11 years ago. The business changes greatly in far shorter a period of time than 11 years. But it was smart, smart marketing, and had the cd just dropped when the tour started, people wouldn't have wanted to hear the new songs (The Power, Strong Enough, BellAmore, All or Nothing, the title cut and one or two others all got received well, along with the former hits.) People had a few months to have heard the new material before the tour started, and no-one was bugged by 'new material' and off for the t-shirt stands. Stevie toured right as or not long after 'Shangri La' dropped, as did Mac with 'Say You Will', and it didn't help either cd regain their 'bullet' and rise again in Billboard Both cds continued to drop on the charts as they toured to good crowds, but the people hadn't had any time to 'want' to hear the new songs. The 'Believe' album, in the US, built and built, and by the time her tour started, the cd still climbed (to #4 I think in the US) with freakish sales of 12 million+ worldwide for the cd single, internationally. Stevie releasing the cd in the spring, and then touring in the spring, gives the general public no time to feel they have 'rediscovered' her- Look at Cyndi Lauper- a month or so ago, she had a blues cd with good to great reviews, it debuted in the Top 30 (nice) but then it completely fell off the Billboard charts after only 3 weeks, and people weren't thrilled with the blues numbers live. So, the cd and tour seem a failure. There was no advance planning for the tour to support the album. And I think Stevie with TISL and Mac with SYW had similar problems, their sales were far better than Lauper. But both Stevie and Mac peaked first week on the charts and dropped, by touring right when the cd was brand new. I think if Stevie's cd drops in October (as I am pretty sure it will)- it will have a chance at a song clicking before holiday season, and then it will sell well through the holidays and into the new year, and that's how you get a hit tour, with a hit album. I mean a really big tour. In contrast, if I can- when Cher's next cd dropped 3 or so year later, Living Proof, she toured right after or as the cd shipped. The cd came in at #9 the first week, then dropped quickly and she did very little songs from the new cd on the tour and dropped 2 of the 3 new songs- they didn't take off, and the cd dropped quickly each week on the charts (as did 'Say You Will' and TISL). 'The (um) 'Farewell Tour' did continued huge business- Warners quickly put out a ' Very Best Of Cher ' cd which went top 10 and stayed on the charts for many, many months as the Farewell Tour extended and extended. It was a smart damage control, because after Believe, Living Proof was comparatively a flop.' Very Best of Cher' sold millions. Yet, we can't have yet another Stevie hits cd so soon, to fall back on, so they need to get the cd out months ahead of the tour starting. In mah opinion. So, for those wishing Stevie success and wanting a new and varied set list, hope that the cd is released months before the tour begins, or Stevie may have anxiety about doing the new songs. I'm sure some may find "flaws in this reasoning'' but the truth is, 'TISL' and 'SYW' sales were not impressive, at all, by touring just as the cds were released. So, get the new Stevie cd out in October, and figure on a spring tour. To Stevie's reasoning, it could give some time for fans to connect with songs they hope to hear live after playing the cd for a couple/few months and help her have confidence that people have heard the cd and picked favorites they hope to hear. Then, for the first time in decades, she might have a cd that can rise back up on the charts, once the tour begins, rather than seeing it dip every week and never climbing higher than it had in the first week of release. That's her pattern and it needs to be broken. Last edited by Nikolaj; 08-14-2010 at 01:37 PM.. |
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Spring? In Stevie time, that translates to summer 2012. Ready for the End of The World Tour? :P
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Another reason why the album won't be out in October is for it to come out then there would have to be a huge promotional campaign going for it, far as I know there isn't even a title for it yet. Take for example Heart's upcoming "Red Velvet Car" the CD comes out on the 31st, they have been promoting this for months, they are currently doing five songs from it on their tour, they are being interviewed in magazines and are generally out there promoting it. Watch to see how well that does on the charts to see what Stevie will be facing. When Stevie's album does come out, it was sell well during it's first week and like most other "classic rock" artists it will drop off quickly afterwards. |
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[QUOTE=skuncles;905831]If this were 1982 the above statement would be true, but since it's 2010 it won't happen. Regardless of when Stevie's album comes out it will get maybe a month of chart action and then fall off. The reason being the songs won't get played on Top 40 radio. As such the album won't have legs. A tour for an album that came out six months previous is not going to help sell it. Six months on the Billboard charts today is a lifetime. (In contrast Fleetwood Mac's "Fleetwood Mac" was on the Billboard chart for almost a full year before it found it's way to #1, today if an album doesn't crack the top 5 in it's first week, it's a flop).
Another reason why the album won't be out in October is for it to come out then there would have to be a huge promotional campaign going for it, far as I know there isn't even a title for it yet. Take for example Heart's upcoming "Red Velvet Car" the CD comes out on the 31st, they have been promoting this for months, they are currently doing five songs from it on their tour, they are being interviewed in magazines and are generally out there promoting it. Watch to see how well that does on the charts to see what Stevie will be facing. When Stevie's album does come out, it was sell well during it's first week and like most other "classic rock" artists it will drop off quickly afterwards.[/QUOTE] EDIT EDIT EDIT. I was too unpleasant in what I wrote below. I've apologized to skuncles. Don't know if he'll see it in time, so I'm doing it here, too. Ugh. Again, with your vast command of the obvious, I see your points, but again, your reference of "1982" was patronizing and distorted. Dude, seriously. I was trying to present what might work to prevent the first week highest chart position, never to recover, and it is possible in 2010 and 2011. 1999 was not 28 years ago. Eleven years is damned ancient-enough history, but it showed how someone with no chance, initially, in The States, overcame the odds. A cd called 'Stevie Nicks' or 'Italian Summer' or whatever does not need months of advance notice to inform the public, who could forget after months both the title and the new cd. Even if in September there was a press release that Stevie's first all-new cd in nearly a decade was being released on October 12, titled _______ -that would be plenty of time. Even now. Ad space would be available without 'several' months notice, also. Stevie does not have to accept that she'll peak first week with the cd, then see her chart position dip each week after, never to rise again. I wasn't using '1982' standards in what I wrote, I used '1999' which is far long ago enough. I don't know how 1982 is the same thing as 1999, which I felt bad enough referencing, but it was to compare what worked commercially for a singer similarly-aged as SN in late '98 into '99 to the less successful 2001 release of Stevie's TISL, and the 'Say You Will' release in 2003. I was saying there's a way for an album to 'build' and yes, it is tricky. Most new cds by 'older' acts peak first week. True. I hope the new Heart cd sells well. They deserve it. But if Stevie follows the same pattern of 'spring release, spring tour' it will be like TISL and SYW, again, and I'd like more for her, and don't accept that it's impossible. I seriously wish you'd block me or just ignore me as some choose to; I can and have accepted opposing views with grace, have had my mind changed, -or not. Your way of twisting something I wrote has now happened more than once or twice. I don't deserve that. Don't agree, fine. But don't twist. You twist. I see you have points. But you distort original content to present your points.. I don't know how Heart singing new five songs for months before the cd was available had or has anything to do with Stevie waiting a few months for her new music to sink in with the public and then doing her tour and having people want to hear the new songs and keep the cd alive. Stevie can have vast crowds next year if the new cd has been out a couple/few months before the tour begins and there's excitement over the new music. Were the new cd to succeed with the public, then via media recognition and television exposure, she could let it be known how glad she is the album is so well-liked and how she can't wait to tour in the spring to sing more of the new songs. Ca-ching for the coming tour. Doing the tv circuit with a knockout song (not an 'Every Day' -as with TISL on several talk shows*) could launch the cd this autumn and winter, and she'd get the holiday season sales. All of this would promote the cd and the coming tour. It won't be "no-one knows these songs" when she performs them, they will be looked forward to, and the tour could actually help the cd keep selling and re-bullet, when she knocks out a second killer new song, the album could rally as the tour and 2nd great song tell the gp 'wow, she hasn't had such good music out in ages' . That can still happen in 2010 and 2011. Easily? No. I'm aware of the long odds, but if the music is as good as the advance word, SN can have a cd that reaches its potential and be a hotter ticker than usual for her next tour, in this age of Justin Bieber. *Quite some time before Stevie hit Rosie and Letterman to sell TISL by performing 'Every Day', she had the smarts to debut 'Fall From Grace' before the cd was out. Later, she followed some bad advice, and should've trusted her own judgement- her FFG on the Blockbuster Awards was very good and an exciting preview of the coming cd. A month or so later, she looked miserably unhappy singing 'Every Day' on Letterman, especially. Pretty video, but the wrong song and it showed on her face that she knew it. Last edited by Nikolaj; 08-14-2010 at 08:12 PM.. |
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I was just re-reading your first post, and was all set to defend you and your reasoning and points (wich i still agree with most of) ANDS THEN you started to attack "Everyday" I lOVE that song. and most people i play it for do to. it has nice sentiment. a bit contrived maybe, but people want that sometimes. And along with singing new songs in concert always seemed relitivly well recieved in concert. I love hearing boots, where when she pauses for "it cures the silence" and the crowd collectivley cheers.
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Hey, Phoenix. I didn't mean to attack 'Every Day'-- I don't dislike it, and the video is very pretty. I just felt it wasn't a song that said 'rush out and buy the new cd' in a way that other material on the album was.
So, I backslide a little, and give in (See, I can!)-- 'Every Day' is a pretty song. The strongest on the cd? Well, opinions are an entitlement, if you think so, that's well and fine. Thanks for the nice reply. |
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Stevie, on the other hand, refuses to be anybody other than Stevie. She hasn't penned a hit song in 20 years. Dave Stewart hasn't penned a hit song in 20 years either. She is not a musical chameleon, and she does not appear on stage in a sheer body stocking with strategically placed rhinestones along with sinewy half-naked dancers. She is not tabloid fodder and most people under the age of 30 think "Stevie Nicks" must be a dude. Admittedly Stevie has done a **** job in terms of managing her brand and image- her website is a joke, she has almost no interaction with her fans and she keeps herself out of the magazines. Yes, it helps to keep up the mystery and allure for some fans, but to the world at large, if a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it... Quote:
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Excellent, informed points, Hejira. It was fun to read. And Cher is no Stevie, artistically, of course. The only 2 comments I can make is that the '99 tour did make her a ton of $, as you said, but it also sold the 'Believe' cd, I wasn't referring to the single, which had been #1 in about 15 countries before it (slowly) climbed in the US. Vh-1 wouldn't even air the video for the first 2 months, they instead were airing a Joe Peschi (!) novelty single in quite heavy rotation, and wouldn't play Cher, until...they came around. It took a lot of work.
That cd was up and down and back up, then seemingly,had peaked at around #10 was dropping again, then rebounded to #4 as the tour went on. It sure made Warner Brothers happy. I bet it made more $ for Cher, too, than any musical project, ever. I meant that the tour sold the album, not the single. And I believe it's correct. The album was her biggest ever in the US. Her tabloid image I think worked against her musical career for a long time, which made the success of the cd and tour all the more shocking, really. She was a 'celebrity' for celebrity's sake, whether she had a recent hit or not. To come back at 52 and 53 and have the Number One selling single in the history of the label was crazy stuff. Also the top selling song of the year. At age 53. There was one other point, but I forget now. I enjoyed what you wrote, not that you would or should care. But I did, anyway. Edit: Your Lauper comments were insightful, she's worked hard but just can't seem to revitalize her recording career. Hejira wrote : I do expect Stevie to debut in the Top 10, but I also expect her album to disappear from the charts within two months, barring some kind of extraordinary incident, e.g., scandal, health issue, movie tie-in, etc Okay, see, that is what always happens, with the plethora of artists you mentioned. But there's a way around it, and it's hard, but navigatable, as Cher's handlers found. Like when 'Living Proof' US version by Cher died so quickly, WB put out a redundant but new 'Very Best of Cher' package because the tour was huge and that 'Very Best Of' package sold way more than the Living Proof cd and thus became the hit album to go along with the hit tour- and 'Very Best' charted for many months with weeks in the Top 10 in Billboard and selling beyond platinum (1.4 million US units, quickly). Damage control at it's best, and 2 top 10 cds for her in one year. I just think Stevie could have a killer song they have to lead off with, to sell the album, and it will find an audience and give her the hit she hasn't had in 20 years, I just think she has it in her, and if the song is that strong, I believe it will give the cd legs. Hopeful? Maybe. Unrealistic? Maybe. Possible? Yes. Even more hopeful : Then, a 2nd can't miss song, Hejira, I just think she has it in her. If that happens, the cd bullets again, with the tour going strong riding a 'comeback craze' like we haven't seen for a long time. What can I say... I've bought the advance hype of Dave Wild, Stevie and Dave S. Or you and all the others can be right. I just think it can be done, because Stevie has more musical artistic respect than Cher, and I don't think that Stevie's had a major 'comeback' since 'The Dance' and I really think it's her turn. I think she should be able to go platinum. And yes, it'll be something of a miracle if I'm correct. Last edited by Nikolaj; 08-14-2010 at 07:52 PM.. |
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. . . . I totally agree. I think it's actually predictable, after all, an album is really just a "product"; along with that product, as always, are complex legal matters that need to be worked through. It also needs to be literally manufactured, physically; and details such as distribution and marketing need to be worked out. And who's going to do the cover art, and how much money does THAT person want, and how much time do they need to make it? More negotiations. Who's going to do the Post-Production Engineering? Chris Lord-Alge? How much does THAT person want? Is that person currently available? We can't put the "blame" on Stevie for things 100% beyond her control; especially since we've seen this many times before. Be patient, folks, these things take time. ![]()
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I think I was too unpleasant to you, Sir, in my reply to what you took the time writing to reply to me.
Of course, you can write whatever you want to, and I didn't have to get all ballistic over it. This is a fan community, not a battlefield. I won't do it again, I apologize. Write more, Scunkles! |
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