Lindsey leaving - Page 2

aleuzzi · #16 01-01-2009, 12:49 PM

All accounts say Lindsey flipped his lid at that meeting and "went for her" as if he were mad. But context is everything. Here's a guy who wrote half of the new album, produced and arranged it, fit three of Stevie's songs in at the last minute, and then is being told, by Stevie that he's welching on his commitment to the band, that he cares for no one but himself: I can see why he might have snapped.

Under much less intense circumstances, Bob Welch left the band feeling similarly drained and frustrated, as if his commitment to FM was keeping him from creating the music he really wanted to make. Peter Green left too, because he was beginning to feel trapped (the drugs couldn't have helped)...

Lindsey' meltdown at Christine's house has to be understood in this context. I'm sure he's no picnic to work with, but he also gave A LOT to a band of people who, to him, must have seemed, at the end of his first tenure, grasping, greedy, and mercenary.

Street_Dreamer · #17 01-01-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi

All accounts say Lindsey flipped his lid at that meeting and "went for her" as if he were mad. But context is everything. Here's a guy who wrote half of the new album, produced and arranged it, fit three of Stevie's songs in at the last minute, and then is being told, by Stevie that he's welching on his commitment to the band, that he cares for no one but himself: I can see why he might have snapped.

Under much less intense circumstances, Bob Welch left the band feeling similarly drained and frustrated, as if his commitment to FM was keeping him from creating the music he really wanted to make. Peter Green left too, because he was beginning to feel trapped (the drugs couldn't have helped)...

Lindsey' meltdown at Christine's house has to be understood in this context. I'm sure he's no picnic to work with, but he also gave A LOT to a band of people who, to him, must have seemed, at the end of his first tenure, grasping, greedy, and mercenary.

Besides that, Stevie ADMITS to attacking Lindsey with the intent to "kill" him. Certainly I doubt that she would have actually been able to physically kill him or even do any serious harm, but I know if someone came after me and attacked me, male or female, I would fight back.

Matt

CADreaming · #18 01-01-2009, 01:55 PM

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BTW, what were all the British people doing when all this is going down? Sipping tea?

Exactly...they were staying out of it. I still say there was more to that fight than Lindsey leaving the band...

michelej1 · #19 01-01-2009, 02:00 PM

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Oh to have been walking down the street on that day!

Can you imagine seeing Stevie running down the street cursing while Lindsey is chasing her ready to kill her? haha. I love this band!

BTW, what were all the British people doing when all this is going down? Sipping tea?

I assume they weren't doing anything, because Stevie said their managers pulled them apart. It sounds like Mick, Christine and John just sat back and watched.

Michele

michelej1 · #20 01-01-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Street_Dreamer

Besides that, Stevie ADMITS to attacking Lindsey with the intent to "kill" him. Certainly I doubt that she would have actually been able to physically kill him or even do any serious harm, but I know if someone came after me and attacked me, male or female, I would fight back.

Matt

Indeed, when John makes the strangling motion, it's not clear to me whether he meant Lindsey strangling Stevie or Stevie strangling Lindsey, because she describes grabbing Lindsey first.

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Exactly...they were staying out of it. I still say there was more to that fight than Lindsey leaving the band...

Well, the quotes Mick attributes to Stevie are interesting. One has her saying to Lindsey, "You're breaking my _______ heart" and the other is "You'll never love anybody but yourself." Whatever triggered the argument, it ended up not being about the band really. But Stevie said that herself. She said that that was the day they really broke up and everything they had never said to each other before -- everything they had held back, because they might reunite -- they didn't hold back anymore.

Michele

marinnette · #21 01-01-2009, 02:24 PM

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Well, the quotes Mick attributes to Stevie are interesting. One has her saying to Lindsey, "You're breaking my _______ heart" and the other is "You'll never love anybody but yourself."

Where does Mick quote this? In his book?

jld92 · #22 01-01-2009, 02:33 PM

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I assume they weren't doing anything, because Stevie said their managers pulled them apart. It sounds like Mick, Christine and John just sat back and watched.

Michele

Oh to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting....

David · #23 01-01-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi

All accounts say Lindsey flipped his lid at that meeting and "went for her" as if he were mad. But context is everything. Here's a guy who wrote half of the new album, produced and arranged it, fit three of Stevie's songs in at the last minute, and then is being told, by Stevie that he's welching on his commitment to the band, that he cares for no one but himself: I can see why he might have snapped.

In that context, I'd have killed her myself.

michelej1 · #24 01-01-2009, 02:54 PM

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Where does Mick quote this? In his book?

Yeah, in his book.

Oh, since we are talking about books in this forum, I just wanted to point out to new fans that Mick has two books. One is My Life and Adventures in Fleetwood Mac which has extreme problems, but probably should be read for reading's sake.

The other book of his is essentially a coffee table book (albeit a small one), with some narrative, but his words largely serve as captions. The book is most valuable for its many beautiful pictures of the group. I find it a historical treasure. That book is My Twenty-Five Years in Fleetwood Mac.

Michele

Zombie · #25 01-01-2009, 04:02 PM

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Yeah, in his book.

Oh, since we are talking about books in this forum, I just wanted to point out to new fans that Mick has two books. One is My Life and Adventures in Fleetwood Mac which has extreme problems, but probably should be read for reading's sake.

The other book of his is essentially a coffee table book (albeit a small one), with some narrative, but his words largely serve as captions. The book is most valuable for its many beautiful pictures of the group. I find it a historical treasure. That book is My Twenty-Five Years in Fleetwood Mac.

Michele

I already have My Twenty-Five Years and love all the photos, even if I think its laid out kind of strangely - but I finally got around to ordering a copy of My Life and Adventures. I have heard it's got problems, but I am not sure what they are yet. I guess it's not very accurate, or...?

michelej1 · #26 01-01-2009, 05:44 PM

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I already have My Twenty-Five Years and love all the photos, even if I think its laid out kind of strangely - but I finally got around to ordering a copy of My Life and Adventures. I have heard it's got problems, but I am not sure what they are yet. I guess it's not very accurate, or...?

Well, flagrant plagiarism too. Michele

aleuzzi · #27 01-01-2009, 09:23 PM

^^^^^

To date, there is no one excellent history of the band. The best one, by Samuel Graham, was written in 1977 or 1978.

Although parts of Mick's My Life and Adventures in Fleetwood Mac are valuable--especially when he's allowing band members past and present to speak for themselves--it's not a reliable, objective account. The whole bogus band section is a tad too mysterious, and one senses Mick's leaving out some incriminating information that might make Davis look a little better than he ought to. What's more, anyone who thinks "Oh Daddy" was written for him is capable of all sorts of little delusions. But when compared to Bob Brunning's book, Mick's tome is a masterpiece.