Proposition 8 passes in California

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Your defense of this whole matter is completely skewed, my friend. You're using religion as your reason to fight against the definition of marriage, when all you're doing is swinging at air.

What is that non-religious argument again

But and again, I am using the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment, which you have yet to refute.

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Gays have just as equal rights as they did today and yesterday. They are not being denied any basic freedoms. What you are failing to mention is that gay, and lesbian couples (civil unions) have EXACTLY the same protections under the law as married couples.

Utter BS --

What's the Difference?

The most significant difference between marriage and civil unions (or domestic partnerships) is that only marriage offers federal benefits and protections.

According to the federal government's General Accounting Office (GAO), more than 1,100 rights and protections are conferred to U.S. citizens upon marriage. Areas affected include Social Security benefits, veterans' benefits, health insurance, Medicaid, hospital visitation, estate taxes, retirement savings, pensions, family leave, and immigration law.

Because same-sex marriages in Massachusetts and California, civil unions, and domestic partnerships are not federally recognized, any benefits available at the state or local level are subject to federal taxation. For example, a woman whose health insurance covers her female partner must pay federal taxes on the total employer cost for that insurance.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922609.html

If you have facts to the contrary, let's see them

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Again, you can't change the definition of something (marriage) because you simply don't like it, or it doesn't fit in with your lifestyle. Let's take Christ out of "Christmas" because you don't believe in Jesus' birth. That's the logic you're using.

Again, I don't care what you call it as long as equal rights are given to all Americans.

As for Christ in Christmas, I agree. I think people should say Merry Christmas all they want. Some people say Happy Holidays to be inclusive of other religions as Christmas is not the only holiday at that time of year. Are you actually arguing that is a bad thing? Obviously you do not want to be inclusive.

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Now you're bringing up matt sheppard? That was a hate crime, and had nothing to do with homosexual marriage or the topic in general.

You said my analogy to the civil rights progress of blacks was comparing apples to oranges. This shows it is not.

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

At the end of the day, the people of California (who are generally labeled the "libs" and more than likely would've been against this proposition) have now voted TWICE on this matter now; both times with the same effect. Get the people on board, and you might make a change. Otherwise, deal with it. Like I said, life ain't fair my friend. It just ain't.

Again, I hope when someone takes a shiitte all over you in the name of God, you have the same attitude