Stevie Nicks Says Issues With Lindsey Buckingham Threaten Her Involvement With FM

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by David

Which of course was completely at variance from her attitude in 1987, 1988, 1989, &c., when she spoke of how nice it was to be in a band again where everybody was friendly & bandmates were real mates & had dinner at one another's homes & blah blah.

I think the two are not mutually exclusive. She said she enjoyed the company of Rick and Billy, the newness of it, and that she worked well and harmoniously with them (which she considered a welcome change) - all while hoping that someday LB might return in a better mood. I do not see how giving it your best effort in that regard is "completely at variance" with missing LB and wanting him back a changed man. I think it was more like "this is the situation and I am dealing with it and having a good time doing so but I love LB and wish he had not left, but he did so what are you going to do?"

[David]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I think the two are not mutually exclusive. She said she enjoyed the company of Rick and Billy, the newness of it, and that she worked well and harmoniously with them (which she considered a welcome change) - all while hoping that someday LB might return in a better mood.

Didn't sound like that to me.

Stevie told Timothy White that "the creative ties are behind us."

""Mark my words, tomorrow, in this very room, is the final reckoning, & if Lindsey Buckingham dares to insist his own projects are more important than the future of Fleetwood Mac--that's it! New beginnings have always been the best part of this band. I swear to you now: If there needs to be a new Fleetwood Mac, we'll start all over again!"

"If that man tries to hand us up, he is not gonna have the last laugh!"

Stevie figured Lindsey was gone for good -- as did Lindsey himself.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by David

Stevie figured Lindsey was gone for good -- as did Lindsey himself.

And when she wanted him back, it wasn't as a changed man. Since he wouldn't even answer her phone calls when she contacted him, she knew that he hadn't changed. She'd just changed her mind.



Michele

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by michelej1

And when she wanted him back, it wasn't as a changed man. Since he wouldn't even answer her phone calls when she contacted him, she knew that he hadn't changed. She'd just changed her mind.



Michele

Well, he worked on Twisted with her and that was relatively uneventful - at least I do not remember either of them talking about it that way. So, there was some change. Then, after he was stalling about rejoining, she called him about whether he was going to do The Dance. If not, she was off to another solo record. Presumably he took that call because she got an answer. then, he said working with John, CM, and Mick on GOS was went well. So, there was that change. So, it seemingly was less dramatic than in the early 90's when they were angrier. I guess time has a way of healing all wounds. But, even in The Dance interviews she often remarks about how they are older and wiser and sober - so it was easier not to let the little things set them off and take them to a bad place. They were all careful not to do that. I often wonder is all that treading lightly was mostly only directed toward LB by eveyone or if it meant the whole band with each other.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by David

"if Lindsey Buckingham dares to insist his own projects are more important than the future of Fleetwood Mac--that's it!

I think the use of "if" in that sentence could be interpreted to mean that if LB does not do the conditional in the phrase, he is welcome back In the end, I think they were all just too angry with each other prior to 1995 to have worked together no matter how much any of them would have liked it.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by michelej1

The only time I think Lindsey mentioned his accountants was when he talked about how hard it was to get funding for the OOTC tour. So, he paid for a lot of it himself and said his accountants wouldn't let him do that again. I don't think he needs the FM money at all to live, but I think he does use it to keep fueling his non-profitable solo work, which is why he could go on that extensive UTS tour, flying around on private jets. SYW gave him the ability to tour so long on UTS.

Michele

You're right... I remember that era when he talked about the accountants during OTTC I saw him at a tiny little club called Peabody's in Cleveland..

... I also remember him talking about the record company execs and how they were strongly urging him to roll GOS to a FM record. GOS was gonna be released how many years before SYW actually was.. He admitted in those interviews that it was strictly business. Sound familiar? He talks about working on his solo album that he delayed in 1997 that was just about finished.... He then did the Dance after citing in 1987 that he was leaving FM so he could explore his own music... Funny how only one LB solo album was released from 1987 to 1997 after re-joining. That's hardly exploring in my book. Also, Funny how he changed his mind.. again...

And then again I don't blame him... He doesn't sell despite doing good work... He needs FM and he realized it (over and over)... and when he is forced to admit it he lashes out.... angry bitter... it's all good, he's pissed... I get it clear as day....

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by David

I do, I agree with you, brown.

well blow my nose!!! (said with a southern accent)

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

^^

I agree with you that LB and CM had a solid relationship, though I think he perhaps lived a little in fear of her

I disagree though that her departure after the 40 Dance dates caused an long lasting riff. I do not think that LB and CM ever really had any kind of relationship outside of FM - like say, going to the mall or lunch and hanging out. But, who knows, maybe they did things like that. So, once the inital shock and perhaps bitterness of her decision faded, they just went into nothing. But, others have theories about the band being bitter about CM during SYW. I never really took any of LB's comments as snipy. I think most of them were him trying to describe the new dynamic of the band, which inherently had to acknowledge her departure. But, others saw them as that, so maybe they were.

Interestingly, I do not think I can recall that La Nicks ever slammed Chris. She has pretty much always spoke lovingly of her, like a kid sister.

Oh they were snippy... He was pissed because with the fab 5 marketing, he gets millions more from less shows... You bet he was pissed at her... I'd be pissed at someone that cost me that kind of scratch too!!

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by David

In 1982, Stevie say to one rag that Christie not play organ well, that she play like baby with fat fingers on keys.

Chrstie get quite mad & throw drink in Stevie's face ... CRRRrrrrraaaaack! (No just kidding about that last part)

hahahahaha

her fingers are quite long however!!

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Thus, my point that he does go back to FM for the wave of fame, which includes money. This fuels his solo stuff. I am not saying this is the only reason he goes back, but it is one of them IMO - and IMO it is not a bad thing. As for TITN and leaving on the eve of the tour, I think he just got fed up with FM and IMO he realized he could no longer control the apparently sober La Nicks. I think their relationship was what drove him out and it ad less to do with his relationship with the others. Just speculation though as I was not in the room

If LB could survive on his own the way SN has... FM would not even be on his radar... Not many agree with me on that either David...

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Oh they were snippy... He was pissed because with the fab 5 marketing, he gets millions more from less shows... You bet he was pissed at her... I'd be pissed at someone that cost me that kind of scratch too!!

I don't think they would have gotten more money per show with Christine on board. I think he would have ended up with less money, because he would have had to split it 5 ways, rather than 4 ways. Seeing as how they were one of the top tours in 2003 -- even though SYW was not popular like The Dance was, I don't see how they could have done any better with Chris on board. I think he wanted Chris on the tour though, when she wouldn't tour, I think he took it personally. I think they all did.

I also think that he had SYHA and BTLH on the album because of Chris, not just because they were more commerical (like the song "Say You Will" was, as well) but because they had harmonies that he wanted. Stevie said she had to ask him was that Chris on the album or was that just him sounding like Chris. I think he tried to inject Chris in.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I don't think they would have gotten more money per show with Christine on board. I think he would have ended up with less money, because he would have had to split it 5 ways, rather than 4 ways. Seeing as how they were one of the top tours in 2003 -- even though SYW was not popular like The Dance was, I don't see how they could have done any better with Chris on board. I think he wanted Chris on the tour though, when she wouldn't tour, I think he took it personally. I think they all did.

I also think that he had SYHA and BTLH on the album because of Chris, not just because they were more commerical (like the song "Say You Will" was, as well) but because they had harmonies that he wanted. Stevie said she had to ask him was that Chris on the album or was that just him sounding like Chris. I think he tried to inject Chris in.

Michele

I disagree... Every single news bit I read mentioned that they were short McVie. I'm not saying it hurt them fan wise... I'm saying it hurt them marketing wise... I also would add that Christine actually became more popular and appreciated after she left.

FM had to extend the tour to satisfy their sponsors and were very tired and not wanting to extend it. They won't tell you that obviously. I also believe that execs were a little more aprehensive from a marketing stand point that the fab 5 were no longer on the new album. As in the Dance, WB were throwing money at FM. The marketing was way more 1st rate. I also think that LB saw himself doing even more work with CM gone.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

If LB could survive on his own the way SN has... FM would not even be on his radar... Not many agree with me on that either David...

I think after Tusk you are correct though the allure of Nicks IMO factored heavily into it.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I don't think he needs the FM money at all to live, but I think he does use it to keep fueling his non-profitable solo work.

Lindsey Buckingham is a not-for-profit.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I disagree... Every single news bit I read mentioned that they were short McVie.

Marketing wise, they could have done one of those, "for the first time together in 6 years" thing, which . . . I'm not sure not doing it hurt them in venues or made it more difficult to promote the tour.

I think Christine's absence hurt more internally than it did with promotion or concert revenue.

I would agree with you that Lindsey had to work harder with Christine gone. Also, I don't know whether he realizes this or not, but he actually has more leverage over Stevie with Chris there than he does when she's not. So, it would have been better for him.

Michele