Oh Wise and Worldy Ledgies

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

That will never happen. In the very LEAST, it wont happen because we cant be bothered to go stand in line at the courthouse for hours only to be told to go to the back of the line again because you forgot to fill a certain form out. Havent you been to a courthouse lately? HAHA! Really...that was grand.

lol wait, so you're saying that you wouldn't support a system like this because of laziness? "you can't be bothered" to participate in a fair system? what a great attitude.

and no, i don't have cause to spend a lot of time at courthouses. why do you?

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by Sarah

is waste of beer

My friend Lisa, from Brighton (or Brixton?), bought me an American flag to drape myself in at a rugby game in Wellington NZ. I had never owned an American flag before, even after 9-11...but i wasnt ashamed to wear it like a Superman cape!

I love the Brits! Great folk. Besides, they gave us League of Gentlemen.

[Sarah]

you have to go get a marriage license anyway. why, instead of it being a license, can it just not be the legally binding document? then, you can go have your ceremony wherever you want, however you want, with or without a justice of the peace officiating.

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by carrie721

lol wait, so you're saying that you wouldn't support a system like this because of laziness? "you can't be bothered" to participate in a fair system? what a great attitude.

and no, i don't have cause to spend a lot of time at courthouses. why do you?

No I dont support it because officiants are given power by the law to perform marriages. If you chose not to get married in a church, you could still get married some place else. March yourself down to the courthouse if you want. The last time I was there was in regards to getting my birth certificate re-issued. To quote Jerry Seinfeld...it was like a leper colony down there. I wouldnt wish that on anyone.

I also wouldnt deny anyone the chance to get married in a church if they want, or outside at a nice country club...or on the banks of a river...or in their backyard. Who am I to do that? And I dont think the majority of this country would support that either. I think you're in the minority on that one.

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

No I dont support it because officiants are given power by the law to perform marriages. If you chose not to get married in a church, you could still get married some place else. March yourself down to the courthouse if you want. The last time I was there was in regards to getting my birth certificate re-issued. To quote Jerry Seinfeld...it was like a leper colony down there. I wouldnt wish that on anyone.

I also wouldnt deny anyone the chance to get married in a church if they want, or outside at a nice country club...or on the banks of a river...or in their backyard. Who am I to do that? And I dont think the majority of this country would support that either. I think you're in the minority on that one.

you're not listening to what i'm saying. people can hold those ceremonies all they want, i don't want to stop them. but the official legal documents need to be taken care of at a courthouse, by a lawyer, whatever. by someone not connected to a religious organization.

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

No I dont support it because officiants are given power by the law to perform marriages. If you chose not to get married in a church, you could still get married some place else. March yourself down to the courthouse if you want. The last time I was there was in regards to getting my birth certificate re-issued. To quote Jerry Seinfeld...it was like a leper colony down there. I wouldnt wish that on anyone.

O_O we can't march down to the courthouse if its illegal.

I also wouldnt deny anyone the chance to get married in a church if they want, or outside at a nice country club...or on the banks of a river...or in their backyard. Who am I to do that? And I dont think the majority of this country would support that either. I think you're in the minority on that one.

That's kind of what I was saying in a way. It's not about where. It's about not giving people the piece of paper that matters.

[bretonbanquet]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Well I've been to the UK and met a great bunch of Irishfolk and Brits alike. My friend Chris, who's from Manchester is the first to tell you America is #1, followed by the UK. He lived here in the US for 2 years.

WHether you agree with the US being the greatest country in the world or not, its still true. You may like other places better. I liked New Zealand better than the US. Pity I couldnt stay there. But, the whole "greatest country on earth" thing was kinda tongue in cheek too. All my UK friends would request I say that, then nearly spit their pints out.

I know Manchester pretty well, and I'd say Cambodia was a better place to live. He's no judge! I'm kidding btw

And well.. it's not true! It's your opinion. There's a big difference. And we are prone to spitting beer mainly when assailed with the notion that Britain may not be the finest nation on Earth. God was British, fyi

Seriously, there is a lot wrong with Britain. A lot. But hey.. it's home.

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by Sarah

O_O we can't march down to the courthouse if its illegal.

well, we can march down there ... as long as exercise is all we want to get out of it

That's kind of what I was saying in a way. It's not about where. It's about not giving people the piece of paper that matters.

exactly. i'm not arguing against that.

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by carrie721

you're not listening to what i'm saying. people can hold those ceremonies all they want, i don't want to stop them. but the official legal documents need to be taken care of at a courthouse, by a lawyer, whatever. by someone not connected to a religious organization.

Yeah I am listening. Religious organization? Ummm...Some officiants are ministers. Some are not. Some arent even religious/and or Christians at all. WHERE they take care of the documents is irrelevant. Officiants still hold the same authority in a courthouse, a church, or a grocery store. Again, I'd say the majority of the nation would disagree with your stance on that.

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by mld

But, the whole "greatest country on earth" thing was kinda tongue in cheek too.

it wasn't tongue-in-cheek when you were defending that statement earlier

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Yeah I am listening. Religious organization? Ummm...Some officiants are ministers. Some are not. Some arent even religious/and or Christians at all. WHERE they take care of the documents is irrelevant. Officiants still hold the same authority in a courthouse, a church, or a grocery store. Again, I'd say the majority of the nation would disagree with your stance on that.

that doesn't mean it's not fair or right. if the officiant is a religious figure, that is in direct violation of separation of church and state. therefore, any ceremony they perform should not be considered legally binding.

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Yeah I am listening. Religious organization? Ummm...Some officiants are ministers. Some are not. Some arent even religious/and or Christians at all. WHERE they take care of the documents is irrelevant. Officiants still hold the same authority in a courthouse, a church, or a grocery store. Again, I'd say the majority of the nation would disagree with your stance on that.

You're picking at a technicality and missing the bigger point.

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

I know Manchester pretty well, and I'd say Cambodia was a better place to live. He's no judge! I'm kidding btw

And well.. it's not true! It's your opinion. There's a big difference. And we are prone to spitting beer mainly when assailed with the notion that Britain may not be the finest nation on Earth. God was British, fyi

Seriously, there is a lot wrong with Britain. A lot. But hey.. it's home.

HA! I love the northerners. I'm told I have Welsh heritage. I loved telling my buds that one. That always got the heartiest laugh. Then they'd say "dont go around broadcastin that one, mate!"

Hmm. Indeed. I do imagine God sounds like Peter O'Toole.

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by carrie721

that doesn't mean it's not fair or right. if the officiant is a religious figure, that is in direct violation of separation of church and state. therefore, any ceremony they perform should not be considered legally binding.

So you want to do away with all the ordained officiants, and just have "non religous" ones that can still marry people anywhere they want to?

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by Sarah

You're picking at a technicality and missing the bigger point.

So then, by all means, so are some of you.