Let's grade the CV tour

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

but you can't compare Andre's slapping some **** in a basket (no offense Andre) to someone with Stevie's intense creative skills, wealth of material, powerful presence and image and vocal abilities. at least, not to me. I agree with what you're trying to say, I'm just saying you can't compare someone that does something a monkey could do (again, no offense to monkeys) to something only 1% of the population can do and someone that has such a lavish lifestyle based on consistent support of a fanbase. gift basets that sell 10,000 per month most likely go to different folks each month. Stevie's fans, however, are the same group of people forking out money each time for the same gift basket over and over and over. as much as I love dark chocolate, you can bet your ass I'd switch to savory treats after a couple months.

did any of that make sense?

It did and I agree to a point. But, her concerts are still selling fairly well (some very well) - which I think is why the shows are half or so hits and the other songs never really seem to change for decades despite my wanting it to. In other words, playing the sheds appeals to many people and they are not all the same concert goers you assert, at least in the larger markets.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

Easily, because she is an artist and, at this point, shouldn't be so concerned with raking in the dough.

Edit: oh, I see Jaz has already basically made this point.

But, is that the sole motivation for her. Yes, she makes money, but she also likes touring. When she was with Petty, she was free and it showed. So, I think she likes taking her music to the people and she knows that to keep doing that, she must play at least half hits in her set. Again, it is working and working well as her shows sell despite her lack of commercial single viability.

On edit - I think she puts in her artistic stuff about once every year or so a la R&R and the Petty and Henley tours.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

But, is that the sole motivation for her. Yes, she makes money, but she also likes touring. When she was with Petty, she was free and it showed. So, I think she likes taking her music to the people and she knows that to keep doing that, she must play at least half hits in her set. Again, it is working and working well as her shows sell despite her lack of commercial single viability.

On edit - I think she puts in her artistic stuff about once every year or so a la R&R and the Petty and Henley tours.

I agree with most of this. I think she tours for money and also to stay busy and because she loves being out on the road and performing. And, as I've said before, I understand that she needs to do the hits. It's the endless rehashing of non-hits and covers that I don't understand and that demonstrate a total lack of creativity and artistry.

I have to disagree that R&R is anything artistic. A straight forward remake of another song that doesn't include any kind of unique Stevie stamp to it except the dumb hat?

[BlackWidow]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

but you can't compare Andre's slapping some **** in a basket (no offense Andre) to someone with Stevie's intense creative skills, wealth of material, powerful presence and image and vocal abilities. at least, not to me. and Stevie is a brand every bit as much as an artist. she's built a fanbase, albeit, cultish at times, based off certain things. when those things fade, the fans look for other reasons to stay interested. I agree with what you're trying to say, I'm just saying you can't compare someone that does something a monkey could do (again, no offense to monkeys) to something only 1% of the population can do and someone that has such a lavish lifestyle based on consistent support of a fanbase. gift baskets that sell 10,000 per month most likely go to different folks each month. Stevie's fans, however, are the same group of people forking out money each time for the same gift basket over and over and over. as much as I love dark chocolate, you can bet your ass I'd switch to savory treats after a couple months.

did any of that make sense?

ETA: sorry, I didn't respond to the other part of your post. yeah, you're right, the average fan may not really care to come listen to Storms or Julia or whatever, but you can damn well be sure that her hardcore fanbase would bust their asses supporting her and her music. if the average fan doesn't care about her artistry and her integrity then screw 'em. she's got her money. it's time to do what she and her hardcore fans want. I'm not going to continue to support an artist nearly as hard if I feel that they're just going through the motions and I don't see any creative spark at all. I used to not feel that way really, but I guess I've changed. I'm running out of ways to convince people that Stevie is still the queen of rock and roll. that's basically my point.

I know you loves you some dark chocolate and your savory treats...
You were correct on all accounts. If you ever need a job....lemme know.

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

But, is that the sole motivation for her. Yes, she makes money, but she also likes touring. When she was with Petty, she was free and it showed. So, I think she likes taking her music to the people and she knows that to keep doing that, she must play at least half hits in her set. Again, it is working and working well as her shows sell despite her lack of commercial single viability.

On edit - I think she puts in her artistic stuff about once every year or so a la R&R and the Petty and Henley tours.

I just edited my post, btw, to cover another part of your post I forgot.

with respect to her sole motivation, I really hope that Stevie realizes how special she is to her fans. her real fans, not average fans and how it's that bond that has carried her to the point she is now, that supported her through the worst times so that she is able to now cater to the average fan.

see the problem with that statement? yeah. exactly.

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

I agree with most of this. I think she tours for money and also to stay busy and because she loves being out on the road and performing. And, as I've said before, I understand that she needs to do the hits. It's the endless rehashing of non-hits and covers that I don't understand and that demonstrate a total lack of creativity and artistry.

I have to disagree that R&R is anything artistic. A straight forward remake of another song that doesn't include any kind of unique Stevie stamp to it except the dumb hat?

or hell, she can have the whole tour of rehashes, etc. as long as there is something for the hardcore fan to live for in the Stevie world. I think, collectively, we've had 10 or so different ideas of how Stevie could accomplish maintaining herself artisticly and creatively, while still going on these tours to make whatever amount of money it is she's looking to make.

oh and I love the hat buster!

[BlackWidow]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

I just edited my post, btw, to cover another part of your post I forgot.

with respect to her sole motivation, I really hope that Stevie realizes how special she is to her fans. her real fans, not average fans and how it's that bond that has carried her to the point she is now, that supported her through the worst times so that she is able to now cater to the average fan.

see the problem with that statement? yeah. exactly.

I don't think she divides the two. A fan is a fan is a fan to her.
I really don't think she classifies the difference. Otherwise - her sets would be different. She is trying to keep everyone happy - and it never works.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by BlackWidow

I don't think she divides the two. A fan is a fan is a fan to her.

Agreed!

She is trying to keep everyone happy - and it never works.

I'm forever curious whom she is trying to keep happy with songs like Enchanted, I Need To Know, and Rock and Roll. This is where I stop thinking she's trying to please everyone and I start thinking she is either fearful, lazy, unimaginative, clueless, or some other adjective I hate applying to her.

The casual fans certainly don't come hoping to hear these songs and I'd wager that the majority of us hardcores don't either.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

o I think, collectively, we've had 10 or so different ideas of how Stevie could accomplish maintaining herself artisticly and creatively, while still going on these tours to make whatever amount of money it is she's looking to make.

Let's type up those ideas and send to "Ask Stevie".

[foxyluva]

Originally Posted by BlackWidow

be careful little girl....

Be careful of what? And why are you laughing?

[mirror69]

Setlist: not better I give a Z (for me it's terrible)

Vocals B

Energy B

Choice to venue H so short and tour in Europe yet!!!

in total F

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

I just edited my post, btw, to cover another part of your post I forgot.

with respect to her sole motivation, I really hope that Stevie realizes how special she is to her fans. her real fans, not average fans and how it's that bond that has carried her to the point she is now, that supported her through the worst times so that she is able to now cater to the average fan.

see the problem with that statement? yeah. exactly.

I see what you are saying, but evenin the bad times, her average fans attended the concerts and in droves - the OSOTM and SA concerts sold okay. I think she realizes this and then winks to the hard core fans with things like BC, insider, etc.

I do agree with you though that she could change out FFS, Sorcerer, etc. and out in never heard before stuff. But, she'll likely not do it, which to me is sad.

[mirror69]

Setlist: not better I give a Z (for me it's terrible)

Vocals B

Energy B

Choice to venue H so short and tour in Europe yet!!!

in total F I prefer much more the Whole lotta trouble tour 1991 !!!!!

paolo

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I think she realizes this and then winks to the hard core fans with things like BC, insider, etc.

I think Petty is the reason we got Insider in 2006. I question whether Stevie even knew or cared if many of her hardcore fans went to those shows, and if she did, I don't think she thought of us when working out what to sing with Tom. In fact, I would wager that her initial answer to Insider was either "no" or strong hesitation.

Ultimately, though, the Petty tour was a huge gift to her fans --the best I've received in over 20 years, so it all worked out nicely. She gets an A+ for that effort from me.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

I think Petty is the reason we got Insider in 2006. I question whether Stevie even knew or cared if many of her hardcore fans went to those shows, and if she did, I don't think she thought of us when working out what to sing with Tom. In fact, I would wager that her initial answer to Insider was either "no" or strong hesitation.

Ultimately, though, the Petty tour was a huge gift to her fans --the best I've received in over 20 years, so it all worked out nicely. She gets an A+ for that effort from me.

I think she wanted to do it and I heard rumors to that effect, but nothing out of any horse's mouth. Interestingly, if we are going by not changing set lists, they should have not done the already done Insider and done something else (Apartment Song, Battle of the Dragon, IRTY) instead

I think that tour and the Enchanted tour were total gifts. I mean Sleeping Angel in the original key