Let's grade the CV tour

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by BlackWidow

Oh SNAP!!!

Interestingly, if you configured a gift basket that sold 10,000 units a month, would you ever change it until it stopped selling that many? I do not think you would no matter how fed up you were with it.

So, why fault La Nicks for doing essentially the same, though she has added new songs on every tour except for this one, just like you would add other stuff than those highly successful and unbroken 10,000 unit a month gift baskets

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

Yeah, but that is a bunch of bull!

I think a lot of this goes back to Stevie being ill-advised. and I'm not disagreeing with pretty much anything you're saying, just sayin'. and I also understand the argument that Stevie's not stupid or can do her own thing or shouldn't hide behind that excuse yada yada yada...I get that. I just think she's been so sheltered and out of touch with reality her entire life that she still operates the way she did in the 70s and early 80s. she thinks it still works and it still does on some level, but not nearly enough to satisfy the rest of us.

[BlackWidow]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Interestingly, if you configured a gift basket that sold 10,000 units a month, would you ever change it until it stopped selling that many? I do not think you would no matter how fed up you were with it.

So, why fault La Nicks for doing essentially the same, though she has added new songs on every tour except for this one, just like you would add other stuff than those highly successful and unbroken 10,000 unit a month gift baskets

You should pose that question to Penguinhead.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by BlackWidow

You should pose that question to Penguinhead.

And not his peanut gallery

But, I herein submit it to PH as well.

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Interestingly, if you configured a gift basket that sold 10,000 units a month, would you ever change it until it stopped selling that many? I do not think you would no matter how fed up you were with it.

So, why fault La Nicks for doing essentially the same, though she has added new songs on every tour except for this one, just like you would add other stuff than those highly successful and unbroken 10,000 unit a month gift baskets

apples and oranges.

oh look, a pun.

[BlackWidow]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

I think a lot of this goes back to Stevie being ill-advised. and I'm not disagreeing with pretty much anything you're saying, just sayin'. and I also understand the argument that Stevie's not stupid or can do her own thing or shouldn't hide behind that excuse yada yada yada...I get that. I just think she's been so sheltered and out of touch with reality her entire life that she still operates the way she did in the 70s and early 80s. she thinks it still works and it still does on some level, but not nearly enough to satisfy the rest of us.

I would agree with that.

[BlackWidow]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

And not his peanut gallery

But, I herein submit it to PH as well.

you.funny.honey.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

I think a lot of this goes back to Stevie being ill-advised. and I'm not disagreeing with pretty much anything you're saying, just sayin'. and I also understand the argument that Stevie's not stupid or can do her own thing or shouldn't hide behind that excuse yada yada yada...I get that. I just think she's been so sheltered and out of touch with reality her entire life that she still operates the way she did in the 70s and early 80s. she thinks it still works and it still does on some level, but not nearly enough to satisfy the rest of us.

But, the fact remains that her shows sell and sell well for an almost 60 year old artist who has not had a hit in a decade, despite several media blitzs and critical acclaim. I mean of her peers, she stands the tallest and her star shines the brightest - save for The Eagles and The Stones - and those are groups. I think La Nicks concert sales are better than Heart and all the others. So, her formula is working and people are pleased with her shows, which are about 8/14 commercial hits:

Outside The Rain (never a single)
Dreams (hit)
Rhiannon (hit)
Sorcerer (minor hit)
HSML (never a single)
Stand Back (hit)
If Anyone Falls (hit)
Stop Draggin (hit)
Gold Dust Woman (never a single)
Fall From Grace (never a single)
Landslide (hit)
Edge Of 17 (hit)
R&R (cover and not a hit - though she missed her chance to release it)
B&B (never a single)

In the end, I certainly wish she would change it up a bit and at least replace the non-hits with other non-hits -- but calling her out of touch or unpleasing to the fans is unsupported by the success of her solo shows. I think it is important to remember that the average fan (and there are way more of those than of us) wants to hear hits. So, I think her marketing is directly relevant to her audience.

Again, I think she whould change the set list dramatically, but I get why she does not. I think I would be scared to lose my audience as well, especially an audience that at my age is, at best, fickle.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

She gets a B for effort. She still soldiers on, albeit, sometimes on autopilot.

She gets an A for appearance. Hello, boots, anyone?

She gets an F for the setlist.

She gets a B for singing. She sounded great live, but sounded terrible on her TV appearances.

The band gets an A-. I missed Taku, but Lenny is pretty great in his own right, and I'm so, so, so glad that she finally ditched that hack Brett Tuggle. Waddy rocks harder than ever!

FINAL GRADE: B

I agree with U compleetly. The boots, Lori bieng back, and her preformances of "How still My love" sealed it for me. and yeah, whos the new guy on the keyboards? he really does help to fill out the sound nicely. But yeah: B

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

apples and oranges . . . .

Not really when you consider she wants to reach, for whatever reason, the largest audience possible with her live show. if she played all non hits, the attendence might go down and certainly the next time she came in town, the average fan might think twice about seeing her. So, she keeps selling that basket as unchanged as she can make it. But, she does still change it.

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

But...

deary, I was just trying to explain why I think she doesn't change her setlist or do much more than tour her ass off. why I don't get really flipped out over the tired setlists, etc.

so, you see, ITAWYC.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

deary, I was just trying to explain why I think she doesn't change her setlist or do much more than tour her ass off. why I don't get really flipped out over the tired setlists, etc.

so, you see, ITAWYC.

Oops - never mind

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Not really when you consider she wants to reach, for whatever reason, the largest audience possible with her live show. if she played all non hits, the attendence might go down and certainly the next time she came in town, the average fan might think twice about seeing her. So, she keeps selling that basket as unchanged as she can make it. But, she does still change it.

but you can't compare Andre's slapping some **** in a basket (no offense Andre) to someone with Stevie's intense creative skills, wealth of material, powerful presence and image and vocal abilities. at least, not to me. and Stevie is a brand every bit as much as an artist. she's built a fanbase, albeit, cultish at times, based off certain things. when those things fade, the fans look for other reasons to stay interested. I agree with what you're trying to say, I'm just saying you can't compare someone that does something a monkey could do (again, no offense to monkeys) to something only 1% of the population can do and someone that has such a lavish lifestyle based on consistent support of a fanbase. gift baskets that sell 10,000 per month most likely go to different folks each month. Stevie's fans, however, are the same group of people forking out money each time for the same gift basket over and over and over. as much as I love dark chocolate, you can bet your ass I'd switch to savory treats after a couple months.

did any of that make sense?

ETA: sorry, I didn't respond to the other part of your post. yeah, you're right, the average fan may not really care to come listen to Storms or Julia or whatever, but you can damn well be sure that her hardcore fanbase would bust their asses supporting her and her music. if the average fan doesn't care about her artistry and her integrity then screw 'em. she's got her money. it's time to do what she and her hardcore fans want. I'm not going to continue to support an artist nearly as hard if I feel that they're just going through the motions and I don't see any creative spark at all. I used to not feel that way really, but I guess I've changed. I'm running out of ways to convince people that Stevie is still the queen of rock and roll. that's basically my point.

[Enchanted_Stevi]

I give it a high B so a B+...I liked the choice of venues even though she could have done more shows in the east and mid states...She was mostly in California and Vegas...Her merchandise was pretty good..I really like the shirts and stuff..BUT dont you think she could have taken some new pictures?!?! As much as I love the old ones I want new ones...Her setlist was pretty good..even though he got rid of FFG..which I LOVE

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

So, why fault La Nicks for doing essentially the same

Easily, because she is an artist and, at this point, shouldn't be so concerned with raking in the dough.

Edit: oh, I see Jaz has already basically made this point.