barnes & noble exclusive track

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I didn't say I loved "Red Rover" originally. I said I liked it.
Then within the context of 'Say You Will' it stuck out like a sore-thumb and I was turned off by it. I think that's a fair opinion.

All opinion is fair. But you like a song or you don't. That can change, especially with such weird songs, but what happened to you and Red Rover is hard to follow. I just still don't dig your logic, but then again I never will.

Once I started listening to it OUT of context... in other words, on its own and not while listening to the rest of 'SYW'... I was more receptive to it again and fell in love with it.

As for my feelings for "Say Goodbye" live vs. the album version, there's a big difference between disliking a SONG and disliking a TRACK. I dislike "Say Goodbye" as a track (the production, the mixing, etc.), not as a song.
Easy enough to understand, I thought.

No. You needed the liveversion to hear the SONG in the track. (what the heck am I saying here.) Because you don't open up for the way lindsey writes these kind of songs. Now you hear the greatness of the song too in the original, but you stick to your judgement by blaming it on production.No prob, but admit it. By the way Lindsey's songwriting IS production. Do I need to explain things with an interesting metaphor about paint and canvas?

I've never smoked a joint in my life and don't plan on starting now, so I guess I'll just have to keep listening to it the old fashioned way... you know, without my mind being chemically altered.

Which, come to think of it, could explain why you think it's the best thing he's ever recorded!

You obviously know nothing about the 100% unchemic, natural herbs I'm referring to. I smoke about 4 joints a year so believe me, I appreciate music without it. ( yes, I saw you were joking, but I'm Dutch, so the image is already there).

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by chiliD

the comparison to *shudder* the New Year's Eve abomination that I will never again udder.

hahaha...this never ceases to make me smile

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by Sarah

no, me neither. but it can't hurt.

(well, it can't hurt anything other than my lungs. those have been toast since jr. high anyway. )

but seriously.. like you said, the vocals match with the guitar work so well. if you think about it, if he sang it any other way, it'd just be too much. he had to make some room for the guitar work but let the words have some attention too. i think he pulled it off without a hitch, even if it does take some people a minute to warm up to. and that being said, i have to understand that some may never warm up to it, as unfortunate as that is imo.

like some people never warmed up to red rover.. i just don't get that at all, but to each their own, i guess.

well, sarah, the other side is that I'm selfish enough to like it that I'm with a happy few. He's ours. And I want to keep it that way, how hard I preach his name, it's enough when every now and then someone picks him up.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

All opinion is fair. But you like a song or you don't. That can change, especially with such weird songs, but what happened to you and Red Rover is hard to follow. I just still don't dig your logic, but then again I never will.

Maybe it's the language barrier... I don't know. I didn't think it was too hard to follow: I didn't say that I suddenly went from liking the song to hating it -- I said that when listening to "Red Rover" within the context of 'Say You Will' (INITIALLY) I was turned off by it.

But in listening to it on its own, I developed such a love for it that I now enjoy the song within the context of 'Say You Will.'

Ever get sick of a song that you initially liked, Gerald, but then you developed a new appreciation of it later? Well, that's what happened here.

Originally Posted by shackin'up

No. You needed the liveversion to hear the SONG in the track. (what the heck am I saying here.) Because you don't open up for the way lindsey writes these kind of songs. Now you hear the greatness of the song too in the original, but you stick to your judgement by blaming it on production.No prob, but admit it. By the way Lindsey's songwriting IS production.

Yes, but in this case... to my ears... the production did the song a disservice. There was something much better hidden within that fussy production, and once he approached it differently on stage -- and the song was allowed to breathe -- it took on a new life.

It didn't require a big change, mind you, but it made all the difference in the world.

(By the way, I was having so much fun debating all of this earlier that I was almost late for work!)

[FMtastic]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I've never smoked a joint in my life and don't plan on starting now, so I guess I'll just have to keep listening to it the old fashioned way... you know, without my mind being chemically altered.

I don't know what kind of chemicals they are putting in the herb over there in the US, but in Amsterdam and other fine places, it's all natural, baby!

[FMtastic]

Originally Posted by Little Nicki

Actually it's a rather odd blending of two different 3/6's, depending on how where you perceive the beat.

As soon as I said 4/4, I knew someone was going to correct me. I thought about going to listen to the song to make sure, but I was too lazy

[estranged4life]

sake, the bonus track is the live version of "Say Goodbye" from the "Soundstage" episode.

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

sake, the bonus track is the live version of "Say Goodbye" from the "Soundstage" episode.

thanks for the info.

i think i'll go for the standard issue instead in that case.