barnes & noble exclusive track - Page 4

Sarah · #46 09-20-2006, 01:29 PM

wow. i'm having a hard time trying to figure out which posts here i actually want to read.

the point of this thread was not to bitch. i wanted to know if SG was gonna be some recycled track i've already heard.. in which case, i'll buy the non-BN-exclusive version. pretty simple question, blown totally out of proportion because you people seem to enjoy the drama.

Johnny Stew · #47 09-20-2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarah

the point of this thread was not to bitch. i wanted to know if SG was gonna be some recycled track i've already heard.. in which case, i'll buy the non-BN-exclusive version. pretty simple question, blown totally out of proportion because you people seem to enjoy the drama.

In all fairness, these two comments sounded a little, uhm, "bitchy"....

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simply throwing stevie's name on it because oh my god lindsey couldn't possibly do something on his own?

i'm not trying to hate, but none of my other lindsey cds have the stevie nicks stamp on them and that's just fine by me.

Sarah · #48 09-20-2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

Come on, the whole musical concept he talks about fits perfectly on Say Goodbye, esp live. This album is NOT provided with that track, only on the B&N version. Don't buy the thing and do it with the original 11-track.

i disagree. had SG not been done by fm already, yes, it might have fit perfectly. but lindsey gave it away. any number of his tango songs might have fit perfectly albeit stylized differently on ootc, but that didn't happen, and thank god for it because it was an album full of new tracks.

that was the point of my question. i don't want the exclusive if it's not a new version of the song. the soundstage version doesn't count as new to me, either. if lindsey and stevie got together and worked up a nice bit for this album, then hey, that's wonderful. but if it's just been tacked on there so barnes & noble could have their own set in some sort of sponsorship agreement.. then i'm not interested. i want it the way lindsey made it originally.

shackin'up · #49 09-20-2006, 01:41 PM

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I'm a huge fan of "Red Rover" now.
I actually liked it amongst the 'Gift of Screws' tracks but then disliked it within the running order of 'Say You Will.'
Now I'm head over heels for it and I've cited it as an example of Lindsey's "new style" that actually works.

I'd love to have a discussion with you, but I totally can't follow you here. Since that is often the case, it's atricky path to go. This logic is impossible for me to follow: I love it in a context, I hate it in another and now you Love it again? The context hasn't changed! The same with say goodbye. I understand that you hate the studioversion, plinkaplink and so (very intelligent description by the way), I understand that you like the live version, it's VERY different from the original you dislike, but now you love the song again.

Sorry dude, but to me it sounds like total crap.

Put the doors open for Shut Us Down. The music and the vocallines meet eachother in a heartbreaking beautiful way. The tension is there in the fact that those two melodies derange and flow away from eachother, that makes the point where they meet again so friggin beautiful. Shut down judgement for five minutes and let it flow into you. Smoke a joint if you can't do it by yourself. That song is the best thing he ever recorded and I'm sure that there will be a bigger following a month (maybe two) from now.

Sarah · #50 09-20-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

In all fairness, these two comments sounded a little, uhm, "bitchy"....

well maybe that's just me.

i'm sorry if people take things the wrong way, but i'm not sorry for what i've said because i know my intent.

GardenStateGirlie · #51 09-20-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

Put the doors open for Shut Us Down. The music and the vocallines meet eachother in a heartbreaking beautiful way. The tension is there in the fact that those two melodies derange and flow away from eachother, that makes the point where they meet again so friggin beautiful. Shut down judgement for five minutes and let it flow into you. Smoke a joint if you can't do it by yourself. That song is the best thing he ever recorded and I'm sure that there will be a bigger following a month (maybe two) from now.

agreed. agreed. agreed. the hushed vocals add a lot to the music he's written. it's one of his most beautiful songs -- if not the most beautiful, imo.

Johnny Stew · #52 09-20-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

I'd love to have a discussion with you, but I totally can't follow you here. Since that is often the case, it's atricky path to go. This logic is impossible for me to follow: I love it in a context, I hate it in another and now you Love it again? The context hasn't changed! The same with say goodbye. I understand that you hate the studioversion, plinkaplink and so (very intelligent description by the way), I understand that you like the live version, it's VERY different from the original you dislike, but now you love the song again.

Sorry dude, but to me it sounds like total crap.

I didn't say I loved "Red Rover" originally. I said I liked it.
Then within the context of 'Say You Will' it stuck out like a sore-thumb and I was turned off by it. I think that's a fair opinion.

Once I started listening to it OUT of context... in other words, on its own and not while listening to the rest of 'SYW'... I was more receptive to it again and fell in love with it.

As for my feelings for "Say Goodbye" live vs. the album version, there's a big difference between disliking a SONG and disliking a TRACK. I dislike "Say Goodbye" as a track (the production, the mixing, etc.), not as a song.
Easy enough to understand, I thought.

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

Put the doors open for Shut Us Down.
Shut down judgement for five minutes and let it flow into you. Smoke a joint if you can't do it by yourself. That song is the best thing he ever recorded and I'm sure that there will be a bigger following a month (maybe two) from now.

I've never smoked a joint in my life and don't plan on starting now, so I guess I'll just have to keep listening to it the old fashioned way... you know, without my mind being chemically altered.

Which, come to think of it, could explain why you think it's the best thing he's ever recorded!

Little Nicki · #53 09-20-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FMtastic

I think Shut Us Down is a 4/4 beat, so nothing really that unusual from the pointview of time signatures.

Actually it's a rather odd blending of two different 3/6's, depending on how where you perceive the beat. And the vocal rhythms on top of it are either pretty much random, or very intricately placed at unexpected places, and knowing Lindsey, I think we know which one it is! Unless I'm thinking too much about it and missing some greater, regular, 4/4 picture, it's one of his most rhythmically confusing songs.

Sarah · #54 09-20-2006, 02:03 PM

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Which, come to think of it, could explain why you think it's the best thing he's ever recorded!

i gotta admit, stew, when i first heard shut us down, i was like.. okay, this guitar work is amazing, but what's up with the raspy whisper? it took me a few listens - which isn't normal for me and lindsey, i might add - but then it clicked.

i love it, love it, love it and it makes perfect sense with the subject of the song. he sounds a little desperate but then suddenly strong, with conviction.

i'm proud of lindsey for doing it the way he did, which is kind of standing up for the belief that music doesn't have to be pretty. even from the heart. (cuz god knows the heart isn't always pretty.)

trackaghost · #55 09-20-2006, 02:16 PM

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i'm proud of lindsey for doing it the way he did, which is kind of standing up for the belief that music doesn't have to be pretty. even from the heart. (cuz god knows the heart isn't always pretty.)

Well put. I totally agree. I actually hope there's a couple more songs like Shut Us Down on Under The Skin.

shackin'up · #56 09-20-2006, 03:17 PM

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i gotta admit, stew, when i first heard shut us down, i was like.. okay, this guitar work is amazing, but what's up with the raspy whisper? it took me a few listens - which isn't normal for me and lindsey, i might add - but then it clicked.

i love it, love it, love it and it makes perfect sense with the subject of the song. he sounds a little desperate but then suddenly strong, with conviction.

i'm proud of lindsey for doing it the way he did, which is kind of standing up for the belief that music doesn't have to be pretty. even from the heart. (cuz god knows the heart isn't always pretty.)

I rest my case (for 5 minutes

). Cool Sarah.

shackin'up · #57 09-20-2006, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Little Nicki

Actually it's a rather odd blending of two different 3/6's, depending on how where you perceive the beat. And the vocal rhythms on top of it are either pretty much random, or very intricately placed at unexpected places, and knowing Lindsey, I think we know which one it is! Unless I'm thinking too much about it and missing some greater, regular, 4/4 picture, it's one of his most rhythmically confusing songs.

Well, whatever it is rhythmically, a fact is that after the "solo" everything comes together because then he plays that incredible line during I wont shut us down and the whole thing sticks together. Once you've clicked with that you can feel how the vocal dances with the instrumentation throughout the song.

Sarah · #58 09-20-2006, 03:23 PM

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I rest my case (for 5 minutes

). Cool Sarah.

so that means you won't be needing that joint, huh? (hand it over.)

shackin'up · #59 09-20-2006, 03:32 PM

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so that means you won't be needing that joint, huh? (hand it over.)

(Hands over )...I never needed the joint to appreciate this overwhelming gem.

Sarah · #60 09-20-2006, 03:47 PM

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(Hands over )...I never needed the joint to appreciate this overwhelming gem.

no, me neither. but it can't hurt.

(well, it can't hurt anything other than my lungs. those have been toast since jr. high anyway.

)

but seriously.. like you said, the vocals match with the guitar work so well. if you think about it, if he sang it any other way, it'd just be too much. he had to make some room for the guitar work but let the words have some attention too. i think he pulled it off without a hitch, even if it does take some people a minute to warm up to. and that being said, i have to understand that some may never warm up to it, as unfortunate as that is imo.

like some people never warmed up to red rover.. i just don't get that at all, but to each their own, i guess.