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^OK, if you have more info, maybe you can send me the links? I'd like to see more details, I know there's not enough room on here.

And questioning info doesn't automatically mean I'm refuting it. I never said any of the info was wrong, incorrect, or anything like that. My responses pretty much just say I need more information than you gave to make a sound judgement IMO.

I'm curious if you read anything I posted? I'm interested to hear your comments on that research.
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Even some of the things you guys are posting above I know are wrong. Hahahaha. I guess I should stop looking, or trying. Milk is a terrible, non absorbing way to get calcium and vitamin D, totally counterproductive.

We never said milk was a great way to get calcium - that's what I just pointed out to Dee, it's the reason why they want the campaign stopped.

Milk is not the best way to get calcium. I tried to find other articles supporting your articles that theorize it's actually harmful as far as blocking calcium absorption, but I couldn't. If you have more, please send me links.
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We never said milk was a great way to get calcium - that's what I just pointed out to Dee, it's the reason why they want the campaign stopped.

Milk is not the best way to get calcium. I tried to find other articles supporting your articles that theorize it's actually harmful as far as blocking calcium absorption, but I couldn't. If you have more, please send me links.
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This is one of the best girlfights I have seen in ages.

And no, I don't drink milk. I put rice milk on my meusli and fruit and in my tea. Real milk began to wreak havoc on my intestines years ago, as did Soy milk after a few years. But I do have a bit of cheese now and then, and the odd bit of yogurt.
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This is one of the best girlfights I have seen in ages.

And no, I don't drink milk. I put rice milk on my meusli and fruit and in my tea. Real milk began to wreak havoc on my intestines years ago, as did Soy milk after a few years. But I do have a bit of cheese now and then, and the odd bit of yogurt.

OMG! I forgot about milk in tea - that seals it - I will NEVER give up milk. Tea is no good without milk in it...mmm...I'd love some tea and scones right about now.

Interestingly my great-grandmother drank loads of milk and was a cheese hound til the day she died - at 101 years old w/ no health problems. My poor moron of a great grandma
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*Theresa - you force fed Dean 20 servings of milk every day, didn't you?!?!*
To be honest with you, this is the first time I have ever heard of any possible link between milk and diabetes Keep in mind, I tried not to read to much about the disease as I become overwhelmed and depressed. I've been going to the diabetes clinic every 3 months for 3 years now and I have never heard of this. I don't know what to believe Studies contradict each other all the time. They don't know what causes diabetes, so I think doctors and researchers hang on to any little glimmer of hope of finding a cause and a cure. What I do know is that I breast fed Dean for 4 months then switched to cow's milk based formula and then to cow's whole milk at about 12 months. There's no diabetes in either of my husband's family or mine but I was "borerline" diabetic when pregnant with Dean, meaning, I had to see a nutritionist and change my diet for the remainder of my pregnancy and then I was fine after his birth. Oh, ya, Dean is skinny, and there are no obese people in either of our families so who knows. You can't believe every study you read. They say the air we breath is bad for us but are we going to stop going outside? I don't think so.
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Nice passive agressive jab. Thanks.

And I'm apt to believe Yale professors and the like before you - Milk definitely has health benefits....it's withstood the test of oh...thousands of years - so...anyone who says milk is healthy is NOT a moron. But thanks.


I'm not looking for an argument - because basically it's fruitless - I'll stick with mega educated people who have dedicated their lives to studying this stuff. That's all.

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This is one of the best girlfights I have seen in ages.

And no, I don't drink milk. I put rice milk on my meusli and fruit and in my tea. Real milk began to wreak havoc on my intestines years ago, as did Soy milk after a few years. But I do have a bit of cheese now and then, and the odd bit of yogurt.
I'm sooo going to punch you when you drive up here. In your big ol' muscly arm. Then Paula will kick your shin.


I found it easy to give up milk back in the day. My will easily won over my taste buds. But I only really had milk in coffee, anyway. I'm not a picky eater, and the pull of good health was much more important to me than a little milk and sugar in my coffee (I gave up refined sugar, too.). I find that it is much more easy to get used to dietary changes than people think it is, you just have to actually try.
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Here is an article from WebMD, where the collective credentials Im sure are more valid than say PETA activists......among others........
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Is It True That Drinking Milk Is Bad for You? By Elizabeth Somer, MA,RD
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July 2, 2001 -- The hullabaloo over milk is more smoke than fire. Except for infants or those who are intolerant to even small dollops of yogurt, most people would improve their diets by consuming more, not less, milk. Until people are willing to triple their current intakes of green leafy vegetables or drink three glasses daily of calcium- and vitamin D-fortified soymilk, their best bet is to drink milk -- but make it low- or nonfat.


Besides, most of the claims your friend has heard about milk being unhealthy are unfounded. Check out the evidence:


Heart Disease: Opponents of milk claim it causes heart disease. However, the only harm to your heart is with milk fat. A cup of whole milk supplies 8 grams of fat, the equivalent of almost 2 teaspoons of grease; 1 teaspoon of that is the type of saturated fat that makes a beeline for your arteries. But with an abundance of nonfat milk, yogurt products, and cheeses on the market, there is no reason for anyone over 2 years old to drink whole milk.
Diabetes: The outcry that milk causes diabetes is a case where a little information was taken too far. A few preliminary studies found a link between a series of amino acids in cow's milk, called ABBOS, and type 1diabetes in young children with a genetic predisposition to the disease. However, the only real proof is that breastfeeding is protective against the development of diabetes, not that cow's milk or formulas made with cows' milk are necessarily harmful. It's not earth-shaking news to hear babies shouldn't drink milk; since 1976, the American Academy of Pediatrics has warned against feeding cow's milk to infants. There is no solid evidence yet that anyone other than the under-1 set, even children and adults genetically at risk for diabetes, is harmed by drinking milk -- that is, unless they are milk intolerant.
Intolerance: Lactose intolerance, caused by insufficient amounts of the digestive enzyme lactase, is relatively common; the incidence ranges from as low as 10% of people of northern European decent to as high as 90% of African Americans, Asians, Jews, Native Americans, and Arabs. Even then, many who are lactose intolerant can drink small amounts of milk at meals with no problems. For those who can't, there are lactose-free milk products, such as Lactaid.
Allergies: While milk allergy receives a lot of attention, in reality few people are truly allergic to milk. The 1% to 2% of young children who develop allergic symptoms -- bronchitis, eczema, and asthma -- usually outgrow the problem by the time they are 2 years old; milk allergy is rarely diagnosed in adults.
Cancer: The FDA recently approved the use of a hormone called bovine somatotropin (BST), a laboratory-produced hormone that, when injected into cows, increases milk production by up to 25%. Opponents of the drug say it might also increase the consumer's risk for cancer and other health concerns. But the FDA contends that milk from treated cows is safe. At this point, there appears to be no difference in milk from treated and untreated cows.

Granted, no one needs to drink milk, but people in Western countries are hard pressed to meet their nutrient needs without it. For example, milk supplies up to 75% of an adult's calcium intake. Of course, you can take several calcium pills each day instead of drinking milk, but this goes against all dietary recommendations to turn first to food and only to supplements as a last resort. Milk also contains other factors that enhance calcium absorption and help prevent osteoporosis, such as vitamin D.


Most people fall short of optimal when it comes to calcium and would benefit from two to three servings of fat-free milk products every day. So don't give up your milk, and for those who are lactose intolerant, make sure you get the calcium-equivalent of three glasses of milk every day.


Elizabeth Somer is a registered dietitian and author of several books, including Food & Mood and The Essential Guide to Vitamins and Minerals. She frequently writes for national health magazines and makes regular appearances on The Today Show and other national shows.



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Old 08-25-2006, 05:20 PM
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Cow milk (whole)
Nutritional value per 100 g
Energy 60 kcal 250 kJ
Carbohydrates 5.2 g
- Sugars 5.2 g
- Lactose 5.2 g
Fat 3.25 g
- saturated 1.9 g
- monounsaturated 0.8 g
- polyunsaturated 0.2 g
Protein 3.2 g
Water 88 g
Vitamin A 28 μg 3%
Thiamin (Vit. B1) 0.04 mg 3%
Riboflavin (Vit. B2) 0.18 mg 12%
Vitamin B12 0.44 μg 18%
Vitamin D 40 IU 20%
Calcium 113 mg 11%
Magnesium 10 mg 3%
Potassium 143 mg 3%

100 g corresponds to 103 ml.
Percentages are relative to US RDI
values for adults.
Source: USDA Nutrient database
Milk began containing differing amounts of fat during the 1950's. A serving (1 cup or 250 ml) of 2%-fat milk contains 285 mg of calcium, which represents 22% to 29% of the daily recommended intake (DRI) of calcium for an adult. Depending on the age, 8 grams of protein, and a number of other nutrients (either naturally or through fortification):

Vitamins D and K are essential for bone health.
Iodine is a mineral essential for thyroid function.
Vitamin B12 and riboflavin are necessary for cardiovascular health and energy production.
Biotin and pantothenic acid are B vitamins important for energy production.
Vitamin A is critical for immune function.
Potassium and magnesium are for cardiovascular health.
Selenium is a cancer-preventive trace mineral.
Thiamine is a B-vitamin important for cognitive function, especially memory
Conjugated linoleic acid is a beneficial fatty acid that inhibits several types of cancer in mice, it has been shown to kill human skin cancer, colorectal cancer and breast cancer cells in vitro studies, and may help lower cholesterol and prevent atherosclerosis; only available in milk from grass-fed cows.
Studies show possible links between low-fat milk consumption and reduced risk of arterial hypertension, coronary heart disease, and obesity. Overweight individuals who drink milk may benefit from decreased risk of insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes. [8]
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OK, I've thoroughly read all the info Amber provided. Definitely interesting, and something to think about when making dietary choices. Is this article from a Vegan website? Just wondering, I didn't see the source. I am not going to ignore the things I've just read, and I will be sure to not eat too much dairy after reading all of these theories. Considering my usual intake is a splash of 1% milk 4-5 days a week & some cheese/yogurt every day, I rarely eat even the recommended 2-3 servings anyway, so I'm not really that worried.

I think it's great that people are doing research to find out exactly what's good for us & what's not, and question older outdated info. I personally take it with a grain of salt. So may studies say the opposite of other studies - hard to decide for sure which study is the best or most accurate. Apparently, the only thing we can honestly eat without fear are completely organic raw fresh veggies. Too much of anything else can be unhealthy, and this obviously includes dairy. Point taken.

I'd like to comment on a few things. Not trying to dispute any of the info presented, just some thoughts:



Humans are the only species to do a bunch of things. Eating cooked food comes to mind, but I'm not going to stop doing that.

And yes, the majority of the world's pop. is at least mildly lactose intolerant. That's not because it's bad necessarily, it's because it may not be available to them, therefore their bodies can't process it properly. The people that I know who are medically diagnosed as lactose intolerant simply don't eat dairy, or they eat only what they can tolerate. Of course if something makes you sick to your stomach, then don't eat it - seems like common sense to me. Only about 15% of the Caucasian pop. is lactose intolerant, btw.



Aren't diets in Finland higher in fat in general? High fat dairy, cheeses, meats, etc. How about the availability of fresh veggies? And perhaps people are less physically active than in other parts of the world? I'm not in any way saying that the intake of high fat dairy has nothing to do with the increased rates, I just think there may be other factors involved as well. And I noticed that although this article explains that low fat/skim products aren't that low in fat, they stop short of saying they've been shown to cause heart disease, etc.



I would like to know who the hell is recommending cow's milk for infants?!?! Certainly not pediatricians, at least not for the past 15-20 years. They can't tolerate it, and breast milk is much better. Formula fortified with iron is the second choice. In my professional & personal experience I've never heard anyone tell a mother to give her baby cow's milk.

The allergy link in kids is concerning, although this article isn't very clear to me. I know from my research that there are several possible reasons for the increased incidence of allergies (esp. to foods) but nobody has determined any one cause. Obviously, milk is a possible contributing factor & I hope this is investigated further.



I do agree that too much focus has been put on "milk builds strong bones" over the years. Evidence shows that it is beneficial in children as far as preventing osteoporosis later in life, but when you're older it doesn't really do squat. Many people aren't aware of this & think that if they suddenly start chugging milk when they're 40, they'll be fine. Uh-uh.

But just because the body can only absorb so much doesn't mean they should cut out all dairy, IMO. And did the study look at the fact that we drink much more soda & eat much more fast food here in North America? Studies also show that soda can severely deplete calcium stores as well as decrease bone density and more fast food seems to = obesity which seems to = decreased activity/exercise, all of which contribute to the development of osteoporosis.

Again, I'm not disputing or trying to minimize the information, just pointing out that there may be more to it than just drinking milk alone. In other words, woman shouldn't completely cut dairy out of their diet because they heard it might not be great for their bones, but continue to lead a sedentary lifestyle & chug pop. They need to look at their life & their diet as a whole - there's no quick fix.



I understand some people may think that frozen yogurt is good for them just because it says "yogurt." I am not one of them. Read labels, people. I'm surprised to see that this article isn't really that hard on yogurt, since someone once told me I may as well eat a bunch of sugar instead. It is important to eat ygurt that contains active cultures (esp. acidophyllus.) Also - ladies - if you're put on antibiotics for any infection, eating a cup of yogurt every day while you're taking them usually prevents yeast infections from developing.



Again with the infants. Doctors do not recommend cow's milk for infants. Neither does the cow/dairy industry or the USDA or any other agency in the U.S.



I'm trying to find the portion of the Nurse's Health Study that shows this, but I'm having a hard time finding it. As far as the study in Sweden, I'm curious to know if other factors were looked at (other dietary factors, esp. fat, smoking, hormone levels, never having kids vs. having several, etc.) Very interesting, though, I hadn't heard that before. The incidence of ovarian Ca is pretty low in relation to other cancers, but obviously if you have other risk factors you may want to limit dairy.



I'd like to try & find more info on the specifics of the study. I notice it says "were associated with" not "causes." By "animal product" does that mean only dairy, or meat as well? If it includes meat, then theoretically the diet would be higher in fat than non-meat eaters, and they may be overweight because of that, which has long been thought to increase the risk for development of IDDM (Insulin Dependent Diabetes, used to be called Juvenile Diabetes.) If the correlation between dairy and IDDM is strong enough, this is HUGE. It could help in the diagnosis or even prevention of diabetes.

*Theresa - you force fed Dean 20 servings of milk every day, didn't you?!?!*



I'd like to know this 1 GYN's sources. Is this just her opinion? I'll be posting a study shortly that seems to dispute some of her claims.



Please see the article I'll post shortly on the "organic" and "free range" controversy.
I for one appreciate your level-headed treatment of this whole discussion. Ive only actually read the first 5 or 6 pages (up to your post I quoted) but it appears to me that articles posted by Amber are either OPINIONS or without citation. Of course, there are two sides to every issue and everyone is going to lean one way or another for various reasons. Apparently Amber has bought into the whole "Milk is BAD!" propaganda. Whatever. What is chuckle-worthy however is her position that only HER sources and HER research are valid. PUH-LEEZ. Obviously, as has been mentioned, whole milk is unnecessary beyond the age of 5 for several reasons, chiefly a need to control cholesterols and fats. Some milks contain the Bovine Growth Hormone but many do NOT.

I question studies that make conclusions such as "men who drink 5+ glasses of Vitamin D milk are more likely to get prostate Cancer than men who only drink 2 glasses" I'd have to see the actual methodology and whether this was a double blind test and what other dietary/lifestyle choice factors could also be impacting the results. Ive never heard anywhere other than Amber's article that Vitamin D inhibits calcium absorbtion. I know about the Vitamin C and IRON connection but Vitamin D and Calcium?

At any rate, just because people disagree with Amber, doesnt make them morons or deliberately uninformed. It only means they disagree with her. And, these studies contradict themselves every decade or so. One year coffee is a bad thing, the next year its the new miracle food/drink, and on and on. You're free to practice whatever dietary guidelines you want but no one has the right to think that their way is the only way, or that their information (out of all the information available) is infallible.
Thats just plain FOOLISH and ILLOGICAL.

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No, it's OK. I can peruse them next month while I'm in your tub taking a milk bath & you're in the kitchen frying up my bacon.
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No, it's OK. I can peruse them next month while I'm in your tub taking a milk bath & you're in the kitchen frying up my bacon.
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ok, here is an article by the HARVARD school of Public Health:

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What's Best For Your Bones?

Those advertisements pushing milk as the answer to strong bones are almost inescapable. But does "got milk" really translate into "got strong bones?"

The pro-milk faction believes that increased calcium intake - particularly in the form of the currently recommended three glasses of milk per day - will help prevent osteoporosis, the weakening of bones. Each year, osteoporosis leads to more than 1.5 million fractures, including 300,000 broken hips.

On the other side are those who believe that consuming a lot of milk and other dairy products will have little effect on the rate of fractures but may contribute to problems such as heart disease or prostate cancer.

Which view is right? The final answers aren't in. But here is a summary of what's currently known about calcium and its effects on the body.

What is calcium?

Calcium is a mineral that the body needs for numerous functions, including building and maintaining bones and teeth, blood clotting, the transmission of nerve impulses, and the regulation of the heart's rhythm. Ninety-nine percent of the calcium in the human body is stored in the bones and teeth. The remaining 1 percent is found in the blood and other tissues.

Where do we get calcium?

The body gets the calcium it needs in two ways. One is by eating foods that contain calcium. good sources include dairy products, which have the highest concentration per serving of highly absorbable calcium, and dark leafy greens or dried beans, which have varying amounts of absorbable calcium.

The other way the body gets calcium is by pulling it from bones. This happens when blood levels of calcium drop too low, usually when it's been a while since having eaten a meal containing calcium. Ideally, the calcium that is "borrowed" from the bones will be replaced at a later point. But, this doesn't always happen. Most important, this payback can't be accomplished simply by eating more calcium.

Growing healthy bones

Bone is living tissue that is always in flux. Throughout the lifespan, bones are constantly being broken down and built up in a process known as remodeling. Bone cells called osteoblasts build bone, while other bone cells called osteoclasts break down bone.

In healthy individuals who get enough calcium and physical activity, bone production exceeds bone destruction up to about age 30. After that, destruction typically exceeds production.

What is osteoporosis?

Osteoporosis, or "porous bones," is the weakening of bones caused by an imbalance between bone building and bone destruction. People typically lose bone as they age, despite consuming the recommended intake of calcium necessary to maintain optimal bone health. An estimated 10 million Americans - 8 million women and 2 million men - have osteoporosis. Another 34 million have low bone mass, placing them at increased risk for osteoporosis.(1)

Achieving adequate calcium intake and maximizing bone stores during the time when bone is rapidly deposited (up to age 30) provides an important foundation for the future. But it will not prevent bone loss later in life. The loss of bone with aging is due to several reasons, including genetic factors, physical inactivity, and lower levels of circulating hormones (estrogen in women and testosterone in men).

Postmenopausal women account for 80 percent of all cases of osteoporosis because estrogen production declines rapidly at menopause. Of course, men are also at risk of developing osteoporosis, but they tend to do so 5-10 years later than women, since testosterone levels do not fall abruptly the way estrogen does in women. It is estimated that osteoporosis will cause half of all women over age 50 to suffer a fracture of the hip, wrist, or vertebra.

How can osteoporosis be slowed down?

Preventing osteoporosis depends on two things: making the strongest, densest bones possible during the first 30 years of life and limiting the amount of bone loss in adulthood.

There are a number of lifestyle factors that can help with the latter:

* Getting regular exercise, especially weight-bearing and muscle strengthening exercise.
* Getting adequate vitamin D, whether through diet, exposure to sunshine, or supplements.
* Consuming enough calcium to reduce the amount the body has to borrow from bone.
* Consuming adequate vitamin K, found in green-leafy vegetables.
* Not getting too much preformed vitamin A.

Preventing bone loss in adulthood

Several complementary strategies can help prevent or minimize bone loss during adulthood and old age. These include:

Getting regular exercise

Physical activity that puts some strain or stress on bones causes the bones to retain and possibly even gain density throughout life. Cells within the bone sense this stress and respond by making the bone stronger and denser. Such "weight-bearing" exercises include walking, dancing, jogging, weightlifting, stair-climbing, racquet sports, and hiking.

Swimming is a useful form of exercise for the heart and cardiovascular system. But because water supports the bones, rather than putting stress on them, it's not considered a good "weight-bearing" exercise for bone strength. In addition, physical activity doesn't strengthen all bones, just those that are stressed, so you need a variety of exercises or activities to keep all your bones healthy.

Another function of physical activity, probably at least as important as its direct effect on bone mass, is its role in increasing muscle strength and coordination. With greater muscle strength, one can often avoid falls and situations that cause fractures. Making physical activity a habit can help maintain balance and avoid falls.

Getting enough calcium

Despite the debates surrounding milk and calcium, one thing is clear: adequate calcium - both for bone development and for non-bone functions - is key to reducing the risk of osteoporosis. However, the healthiest or safest amount of dietary calcium hasn't yet been established. Different scientific approaches have yielded different estimates, so it's important to consider all the evidence.

Balance studies - which examine the point at which the amount of calcium consumed equals the amount of calcium excreted - suggest that an adequate intake is 550 mg/day. To ensure that 95 percent of the population gets this much calcium, the National Academy of Sciences established the following recommended intake levels:

* 1,000 mg/day for those age 19-50
* 1,200 mg/day for those age 50 or over
* 1,000 mg/day for pregnant or lactating adult women

But most balance studies are short-term and therefore have important limitations. To detect how the body adapts to different calcium intakes over a long period of time - and to get the big picture of overall bone strength - requires studies of longer duration.

The results from such long-term studies may be surprising to some. While they do not question the importance of calcium in maximizing bone strength, they cast doubt on the value of consuming the large amounts currently recommended for adults.

In particular, these studies suggest that high calcium intake doesn't actually appear to lower a person's risk for osteoporosis. For example, in the large Harvard studies of male health professionals and female nurses, individuals who drank one glass of milk (or less) per week were at no greater risk of breaking a hip or forearm than were those who drank two or more glasses per week.(2, 3) Other studies have found similar results.

Additional evidence also supports the idea that American adults may not need as much calcium as is currently recommended. For example, in countries such as India, Japan, and Peru where average daily calcium intake is as low as 300 mg/day (less than a third of the US recommendation for adults, ages 19-50), the incidence of bone fractures is quite low. Of course, these countries differ in other important bone-health factors as well - such as level of physical activity and amount of sunlight - which could account for their low fracture rates.

Ideally, these issues might be resolved by randomizing a large group of adults to get different amounts of calcium and following them to see how many would eventually break a bone. In fact, a few such studies have been conducted, but they have not provided clear results because they were small or of short duration, or they provided calcium in combination with vitamins, which could obscure the true effects of calcium.

To illustrate the different conclusions drawn from examining the same body of data, a British committee that is comparable to the U.S. group that established calcium requirements here concluded that 700 mg/day was enough for individuals aged 19 and older.

Getting enough vitamin D

Vitamin D plays a critical role in maintaining bone health. When blood levels of calcium begin to drop, the body responds in several ways. It promotes the conversion of vitamin D into its active form, which then travels to the intestines (to encourage greater calcium absorption (THUS REFUTING AMBYSS' oh so accurate and massive information...) into the blood) and to the kidneys (to minimize calcium loss in the urine).

For bone health, an adequate intake of vitamin D is no less important than calcium. Vitamin D is found in milk and vitamin supplements, and it can be made by the skin when it is exposed to sunlight in the summertime. But not all sunlight is created equal. Above 40 degrees latitude (north of San Francisco, Denver, Indianapolis, and Philadelphia), the winter sunlight isn't strong enough to promote vitamin D formation. Sunscreens also prevent the formation of vitamin D, although they are still recommended to reduce risk of sun-induced skin cancer and skin damage.

An examination of clinical trials of vitamin D for the prevention of osteoporosis found that the vitamin decreases vertebral fractures and may decrease nonvertebral fractures.(4) A similar analysis of the effect of vitamin D on falls indicated that supplementation with vitamin D reduces the risk of falls among ambulatory or institutionalized older individuals with stable health by more than 20%.(5)

Getting enough vitamin K

Vitamin K, which is found mainly in green, leafy vegetables, likely plays one or more important roles in calcium regulation and bone formation.(6) Low intake of the vitamin has been associated with low bone mineral density in women, but not men.(7) Getting one or more servings per day of broccoli, Brussels spouts, dark green lettuce, collard greens, or kale should be enough to meet the daily recommended target of 120 micrograms/day for men and 90 micrograms/day for women.

Some other factors may also help lower the risk of osteoporosis:

* Take care with caffeine. Although the votes aren't all in, there is some evidence that drinking a lot of coffee - about four or more cups per day - can increase the risk of fracture. Caffeine tends to promote calcium excretion in urine.
* Avoid too much protein. Getting too much protein can leach calcium from your bones. As your body digests protein, it releases acids into the bloodstream, which the body neutralizes by drawing calcium from the bones. Animal protein seems to cause more of this calcium leaching than vegetable protein does.(3) Just how important protein is as a risk factor for osteoporosis is still up in the air.
* Get enough vitamin A, but not too much. Long-associated with good vision, vitamin A has also been found to direct the process of borrowing and redepositing calcium in bone. However, too much preformed vitamin A can promote fractures. Avoid vitamin supplements that have a full RDA (5,000 IU) of vitamin A as preformed vitamin A, unless prescribed by your doctor. Vitamin A in the form of beta-carotene does not increase one's fracture risk.

Postmenopausal women may also want to talk to a health care provider about taking a medication that can strengthen bones. The estrogen in postmenopausal hormones can compensate for the drop in estrogen levels after menopause, helping to prevent - and perhaps even partially reverse - bone loss. However, hormone replacement therapy has fallen from grace as the mainstay for preventing osteoporosis after results from several studies showed that it increased the risk of heart disease, stroke, and blood clots.(8) Other medications such as alendronate (Fosamax), risedronate (Actonel), calcitonin (Miacalcin), raloxifene (Evista), and parathyroid hormone (Fortéo) have been approved for the prevention or treatment of osteoporosis.

Should you get calcium from milk?

When most people in the United States think of calcium, they immediately think of milk. But should this be so? Milk is actually only one of many sources of calcium, and there are some important reasons why milk may not be the best source for everyone. These include:

* Lactose intolerance
Many people have some degree of lactose intolerance. For them, eating or drinking dairy products causes problems like cramping, bloating, gas, and diarrhea. These symptoms can range from mild to severe. Certain groups are much more likely to have lactose intolerance. For example, 90 percent of Asians, 70 percent of blacks and Native Americans, and 50 percent of Hispanics are lactose-intolerant, compared to only about 15 percent of people of Northern European descent.

One alternative for those who are lactose intolerant but who still enjoy consuming dairy products is to take a pill containing enzymes that digest milk sugar along with the dairy product, or to consume milk that has the lactase enzyme added to it.
* High saturated fat content
Many dairy products are high in saturated fats, and a high saturated fat intake is a risk factor for heart disease. And while it's true that most dairy products are now available in fat-reduced or nonfat options, the saturated fat that's removed from dairy products is inevitably consumed by someone, often in the form of premium ice cream, butter, or baked goods.

Strangely, it's often the same people who purchase these higher-fat products who also purchase the low-fat dairy products, so it's not clear that they're making great strides in cutting back on their saturated fat consumption. For more information on dietary fats, click here.
* Possible increased risk of ovarian cancer
High levels of galactose, a sugar released by the digestion of lactose in milk, have been studied as possibly damaging to the ovaries and leading to ovarian cancer. Although such associations have not been reported in all studies, there may be potential harm in consuming high amounts of dairy products.(9, 10)

* Possible increased risk of prostate cancer
A diet high in calcium has been implicated as a potential risk factor for prostate cancer. In a Harvard study of male health professionals, men who drank two or more glasses of milk a day were almost twice as likely to develop advanced prostate cancer as those who didn't drink milk at all.(11) Moreover, the association appears to be with calcium itself, rather than with dairy products in general.
Clearly, more research is needed.

The bottom line-recommendations for calcium intake and bone health

Adequate, lifelong dietary calcium intake is necessary to reduce the risk of osteoporosis. Consuming adequate calcium and vitamin D and performing regular, weight-bearing exercise are also important to build maximum bone density and strength. After age 30, these factors help slow bone loss, although they cannot completely prevent bone loss due to aging.

Milk and dairy products are a convenient source of calcium for many people. They are also a good source of protein and are fortified with vitamins D and A. At this time, however, the optimal intake of calcium as well as the optimal sources of calcium, are not clear. As noted earlier, the National Academy of Sciences currently recommends that people ages 19-50 consume 1,000 mg of calcium per day, and that those age 50 or over get 1,200 mg per day. Reaching 1200 mg per day would usually require drinking two to three glasses of milk per day over and above an overall healthy diet.

However, these recommendations are based on very short-term studies, and are likely to be higher than what people really need. Currently, there's no good evidence that consuming more than one serving of milk per day in addition to a reasonable diet (which typically provides about 300 milligrams of calcium per day from nondairy sources) will reduce fracture risk. Because of unresolved concerns about the risk of ovarian and prostate cancer, it may be prudent to avoid higher intakes of dairy products.

At moderate levels, though, consumption of calcium and dairy products has benefits beyond bone health, including possibly lowering the risk of high blood pressure and colon cancer.(12-14) While the blood pressure benefits appear fairly small, the protection against colon cancer seems somewhat larger, and most of the latter benefit comes from having just one glass of milk per day. Getting more than this doesn't seem to lower risk any further.

For individuals who are unable to digest - or who dislike - dairy products and for those who simply prefer not to consume large amounts of such foods, other options are available. Calcium can also be found in dark green leafy vegetables, such as kale and collard greens, and in dried beans and legumes.

Calcium is also found in spinach and chard, but these vegetables contain oxalic acid, which combines with the calcium to form calcium oxalate, a chemical salt that makes the calcium less available to the body. A variety of calcium-fortified foods, such as orange juice, are now on the market.

Calcium (and vitamin D) can also be ingested as a supplement. Antacids contain calcium as well. However, men may want to avoid calcium supplements for men because of questions about possible risks of prostate cancer.

An extensive list of the calcium content of foods is available online from the U.S. Department of Agriculture. These foods are good sources of calcium:
Food Amount Calcium
Yogurt, plain, low fat 8 oz
415
Collards, frozen, boiled 1 cup
357
Skim milk 1 cup
306
Spinach, frozen, boiled 1 cup
291
Yogurt, plain, whole milk 8 oz
275
Cheese food, pasteurized American 1 oz
162
Cottage cheese, 1% milk fat 1 cup
138
Baked beans, canned 1 cup
154
Iceberg lettuce 1 head
97
Canned salmon 3 oz
181
Oranges 1 cup
72
Trail mix (nuts, seeds, chocolate chips) 1 cup
159
Almonds 1 oz (24 nuts)
70
Blackeye peas, boiled 1 cup
211
Green peas, boiled 1 cup
94





References

1. Osteoporosis facts. National Osteoporosis Foundation.
2. Owusu W, Willett WC, Feskanich D, Ascherio A, Spiegelman D, Colditz GA. Calcium intake and the incidence of forearm and hip fractures among men. J Nutr 1997; 127:1782-7.
3. Feskanich D, Willett WC, Stampfer MJ, Colditz GA. Milk, dietary calcium, and bone fractures in women: a 12-year prospective study. Am J Public Health 1997; 87:992-7.
4. Papadimitropoulos E, Wells G, Shea B, et al. Meta-analyses of therapies for postmenopausal osteoporosis. VIII: Meta-analysis of the efficacy of vitamin D treatment in preventing osteoporosis in postmenopausal women. Endocr Rev 2002; 23:560-9.
5. Bischoff-Ferrari HA, Dawson-Hughes B, Willett WC, et al. Effect of Vitamin D on falls: a meta-analysis. JAMA 2004; 291:1999-2006.
6. Weber P. Vitamin K and bone health. Nutrition 2001; 17:880-7.
7. Booth SL, Broe KE, Gagnon DR, et al. Vitamin K intake and bone mineral density in women and men. Am J Clin Nutr 2003; 77:512-6.
8. Manson JE, Hsia J, Johnson KC, et al. Estrogen plus progestin and the risk of coronary heart disease. N Engl J Med 2003; 349:523-34.
9. Cramer DW. Lactase persistence and milk consumption as determinants of ovarian cancer risk. Am J Epidemiol 1989; 130:904-10.
10. Cramer DW, Harlow BL, Willett WC, et al. Galactose consumption and metabolism in relation to the risk of ovarian cancer. Lancet 1989; 2:66-71.
11. Giovannucci E, Rimm EB, Wolk A, et al. Calcium and fructose intake in relation to risk of prostate cancer. Cancer Res 1998; 58:442-447.
12. Martinez ME, Willett WC. Calcium, vitamin D, and colorectal cancer: a review of the epidemiologic evidence. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 1998; 7:163-8.
13. Hyman J, Baron JA, Dain BJ, et al. Dietary and supplemental calcium and the recurrence of colorectal adenomas. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 1998; 7:291-5.
14. Cappuccio FP, Elliott P, Allender PS, Pryer J, Follman DA, Cutler JA. Epidemiologic association between dietary calcium intake and blood pressure: a meta-analysis of published data. Am J Epidemiol 1995; 142:935-45.


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^^ what's the pub. date on this?

since people are ****ting themselves over research from brand-name institutions like harvard and yale, here is what i found in eat, drink, and be healthy: the harvard medical school guide to healthy eating, by walter c. willett, m.d., CHAIRMAN OF THE DEPARTMENT OF NUTRITION AT THE HARVARD SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH (is that clear enough? sometimes i worry that people can't read what i'm writing unless i TYPE ALL SALIENT POINTS IN CAPS). the original pub. date is 2001, and it was just revised following the USDA's "revamping" of the food pyramid.

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how much calcium or milk is safe?

nutrition experts have long assumed that calcium is a lot like vitamin c - your body merely excretes what it can't use. but its' beginning to look as though too much calcium might be a bad thing. for men, a high calcium intake seems to increase the odds of developing fatal prostate cancer. for women, drinking a lot of milk has been linked with higher rates of ovarian cancer. in both cases the evidence isn't conclusive, but it is enough to sound a warning about the possible negative effects of getting too much calcium and drinking too much milk.

is milk, or are dairy products in general, the best source of calcium?

milk is clearly a highly efficient way to get calcium from food, since it delivers almost 300 mg. per eight-ounce glass. but milk delivers more than just calcium, and some of its other components - like extra calories, saturated fat, and the sugar known as galactose - aren't necessarily good for you. what's more, as many as fifty million adults in the united states can't completely digest the milk sugar known as lactose. nor can most of the world's population.

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dairy products shoudn't occupy a prominent place in our diet, nor should they be the centerpiece of the national strategy to prevent osteoporosis. instead, the evidence shows that dietary calcium should come from a variety of sources and, if more calcium is really needed, from cheap, no-calorie, easy-to-take supplements. then you can look at dairy products as an optional part of a healthy diet and take them in moderation, if at all.
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