Sources: Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey case

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

was used, and there's a match then they have their person...But according to what I just saw on my local news (From a reporter from Boulder) is that the officials are now starting to question if this admitance of guilt may be a sick hoax, this guy cannot be placed in Boulder at the time of her death and he skits the questions about his involvement, if at all, with the Ramsey family.

He said he drugged her, then raped her, but according to the autopsy reports she had no traces of any drugs in her system and the autopsy was inconclusive if a rape did happen.

Interesting stuff...

I know. There are a lot of questions. I'd like to know what the probable cause is for the arrest warrant. Hopefully it's not just his confession.

[gldstwmn]

http://www.powerwurks.com/

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

http://www.powerwurks.com/

is a full blown "whack-a-loon". I checked out the info provided on the above link and that is all the proof I need.

Btw, Am I the only one who thinks he looks somewhat like Lee Harvey Oswald?

[Rickypt]

No question he's a nut and a pedophile. Question is did he really kill JB. So much doesn't make sense. He says it was all an accident, he was just having sex with her and she died. I thought she was strangled by something from some kind of hobby kit of her mom's.

I think the guy might be so crazy he has convinced himself he killed her.

It's certainly keeping the cable news shows busy, it's pretty much 24 hours of JB mania lately.

[irishgrl]

that poor family....

[goldustsongbird]

I'm not saying he did it, but where is the brother in all of this? Has he ever spoken about it? If they were both sleeping in the basement that night (which is weird to me, considering they had this big, beautiful house; they had to have more than two bedrooms!), how is it that he wasn't awakened by whomever murdered her? I know he was only 9 at the time, but he's 19 now... and in everything I have ever seen re: this case, I've never seen him issue any kind of statement or anything. It's almost as if he doesn't exist!

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by goldustsongbird

I'm not saying he did it, but where is the brother in all of this? Has he ever spoken about it? If they were both sleeping in the basement that night (which is weird to me, considering they had this big, beautiful house; they had to have more than two bedrooms!), how is it that he wasn't awakened by whomever murdered her? I know he was only 9 at the time, but he's 19 now... and in everything I have ever seen re: this case, I've never seen him issue any kind of statement or anything. It's almost as if he doesn't exist!

as I recall, the brother DID hear stuff and was apparently talking about it but soon afterward, he sorta disappeared offa the radar screen. As for the kids sleeping in the basement, thats news to me, I thought JonBenet was taken to the basement?

[goldustsongbird]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

As for the kids sleeping in the basement, thats news to me, I thought JonBenet was taken to the basement?

I just found that out today; I saw a thing about it this afternoon on A&E. Apparently, when they returned home from that party, Jonbenet and her brother were taken downstairs to go to sleep. ???? If that is true, it makes no sense to me why their bedrooms would be down there, considering they're clearly not wanting for extra rooms (it was a 15 rm house, I believe).

[Karlie]

Originally Posted by goldustsongbird

I just found that out today; I saw a thing about it this afternoon on A&E. Apparently, when they returned home from that party, Jonbenet and her brother were taken downstairs to go to sleep. ???? If that is true, it makes no sense to me why their bedrooms would be down there, considering they're clearly not wanting for extra rooms (it was a 15 rm house, I believe).

Yeah, I think the kids' bedrooms were downstairs.

[irishgrl]

Im posting a link to the timeline of the murder, to refresh the memories of the curious:
Ramsey Timeline
an excerpt:

June 26, 1998: An investigator at the district attorney's office questions Burke Ramsey for some six hours.

here is a transcription of an Enquirer article (yeah, I know I know, but they were RIGHT about OJ!!!) that talks about Burke's involvement...

RAMSEYS CHANGE THEIR STORY ABOUT MURDER NIGHT

By David Wright & Don Gentile

John and Patsy Ramsey have changed the story they told cops about their daughter JonBenet's murder -- they now admit their son Burke was awake during that Christmas 1996 nightmare!

In an exclusive ENQUIRER interview, the nation's most infamous murder suspects say Burke was jolted awake by screams in their Boulder, Colo. home.

"Burke knew something horrible had happened. He heard us screaming. He heard Patsy...a woman in terror," John confessed. "We thought he was asleep but he wasn't. Burke was awake.

"Burke was frightened. He had tears in his eyes. He knew something very, very wrong was going on."

Until being questioned by The ENQUIRER, the Ramseys had always insisted that Burke was still sleeping when police arrived at their home after Patsy's 911 call.

But now John has admitted to The ENQUIRER that Burke woke up before the 911 call was placed at 5:52 a.m. to summon police.

In the Ramsey's face-to-face, in-depth interview with The ENQUIRER:

* The Ramseys - who still staunchly proclaim their innocence - broke their silence about what Burke knows of the murder and revealed fears their son will explode emotionally from keeping "a lot inside."

* Even though it's almost inconceivable that John and Patsy wouldn't talk to Burke about the murder, they say they didn't find out Burke was awake the morning of the tragedy until he testified before a grand jury nearly two and a half years later!

* In chilling detail, the couple described the haunting nightmares and dreams they have about their murdered daughter.

* Patsy recently asked her dying mother to come back after her death and reveal JonBenet's murderer.

* John admits he saw the movie "Speed," which contains a key line found in the ransom note -- but claims he saw it on an airplane and didn't wear the headphones!

When the Ramseys arrived for the interview in Atlanta, oddly enough, Patsy gave an ENQUIRER reporter a hug -- then served up a dish of shamrock shaped St. Patrick's Day cookies.

In opening up about Burke for the first time, the Ramseys insisted they never once sat down with him to discuss the murder, but just said his sister "was gone...and was in heaven."

They also never told him they'd signed papers to make John's brother Burke's guardian if they were arrested.

The Ramseys were asked whether Burke, now 14, ever asked for details of JonBenet's death.

"He has never...we have never talked about anything," said Patsy, who wore a purple suit and white blouse.

John, looking weary in shirtsleeves, said they also never told Burke that they are suspects in the murder. But he revealed that an attorney he hired to represent Burke told the boy before he testified at a grand jury proceeding in May 1999.

"His attorney sat him down and said, 'Understand, they are suspicious of your parents. Do you have any questions?'"

Surprisingly, Burke said he didn't.

"He's a pretty quiet kid," said John.

John and Patsy worry that Burke is keeping things inside and they fear it will lead to an emotional blowup as an adult.

"Yeah, I worry, you betcha we do," John said with a sigh. "In fact that's one of the risks you have with a child with a traumatic experience like that.

"They keep a lot inside and they don't really start thinking about it until they get to be 40 years old and that's when it hurts."

Burke has been strangely quiet about his sister's murder, the Ramseys reveal. They say it wasn't until Burke's 1999 grand jury testimony that they found out he was awake before police arrived -- but was pretending to be asleep.

"Yeah, he testified to that. We thought he was asleep but he wasn't," said John, who had told police their son slept through the tragedy.

A source close to the case declared: "It's hard to believe that John and Patsy didn't find out until tow and a half years after the murder that Burke was awake.

"I know the reaction of the cops will be: 'Why didn't Burke tell them? Why couldn't he discuss his sister's death with them? Was it because Burke knew more than he dared to say about his parents' involvement?'

"Whatever the reason, John and Patsy have changed their story."

When asked when Burke woke up, John said it was after Patsy discovered the ransom note shortly after 5:30 a.m. Then he quickly changed his answer to say Burke woke up after the 911 call.

But then John changed his story again, calling The ENQUIRER as we went to press to say that Burke was awake BEFORE the 911 call. John told us:

"Burke recalled his mother screaming, 'Where's my baby?' and me saying, 'Calm down, calm down, we need to call the police.'"

John's admission that Burke was awake came after The ENQUIRER revealed to him and Patsy the details of our earlier exclusive report that Burke's voice is heard on an enhancement made of the 911 call. The youngster says, "What did you find?" and "What do you want me to do?"

John Ramsey tells his son, "We're not talking to you."

But Patsy still insists: "When I made that phone call, burke Ramsey was nowhere in the vicinity of the telephone."

Asked what goes through her mind when she recalls the events of JonBenet's death, Patsy gave a bizarre childlike answer.

"It kind of makes my heart go pitty-pat. I mean right now, I'm feeling like, gosh, this happened to my child."

During The ENQUIRER interview, Patsy admitted she considered and rejected the possibility that John was sexually abusing JonBenet. She openly admitted that during her struggle to defeat ovarian cancer between 1993 and 1994, John and Patsy's sex life suffered. She totally rejects the notion of John abusing JonBenet, but her reasoning is odd.

She said her mother "came to take care of the kids (when I had cancer). She slept in the other bed in JonBenet's room. I mean, if John was coming in to molest JonBenet, you know that's not going to happen 'cause Grandma was right there every night."

The Ramseys maintain that JonBenet's bed-wetting was not a problem.

"This bed-wetting is nonsense stuff...a red herring," said John.

Patsy added, her voice rising: "When children are really tired and they don't go potty before they go to bed, sometimes they have accidents."

But the close source declared: "The investigators will never buy Patsy's claim that JonBenet's bedwetting wasn't significant.

"Right after the murder, the Ramseys' housekeeper Linda Hoffmann-Pugh told police the bed-wetting was a big problem within the family."

In discussing the ransom note, the Ramseys were reminded of an ENQUIRER exclusive that revealed police believe it was written by a killer using their opposite hand.

Patsy, who is naturally right-handed, was asked if she can write with her left hand.

"Can I write with my left hand?" she said, pondering the question. A smile crossed her face and she replied: "I can-- but not very well."

She confirmed that to get a sample of her handwriting, police made her write the ransom note "every which way."

The ENQUIRER asked if her left-handed writing was legible.

"Oh, I don't know," she said, then changed her answer, saying it wasn't legible.

That contradicts a source close to the investigation who said her left-handed printing of the note was legible.

Both John and Patsy expressed a stunning ignorance about the most notable line in the ransom note, which reads, "Don't try to grow a brain, John."

Even though references to the line have appeared in published reports many times since JonBenet's murder, they said they were totally unaware that the words are nearly an exact repeat of a line from the movie "Speed."

"Oh, is that from that movie?" asked Patsy, her eyes opening wide.

John admitted he had seen the film but insisted there's no way he could have remembered the line.

"I watched part of 'Speed' on an airline one day -- without the headphones. All I see is this bus."

In the years since the murder, Patsy said she has been haunted by a recurring nightmare about that tragic Christmas night.

"I am in Boulder and walking the alleyways, the alleys behind our home -- and just searching and searching and searching. And you know I'll come upon a group of people standing there. And I'll say be careful, be careful, there's someone around here that's killing people. I have that dream over and over.

"I kind of picture myself sitting up kind of toward the Flatirons (part of the Rocky Mountains overlooking Boulder) and just wondering in which house the murderer resides."

John also has recurring dreams involving JonBenet -- but not as a 6-year-old, her age at the time of her death.

"She's usually about 2 or 3 years old and I'm holding her," John said, describing the dreams as "very comforting. I wake up with a very close feeling."

Patsy revealed she talked about her daughter -- whom she called Jonnie B. -- in her last conversation with her mother Nedra Paugh, who died recently.

"You know you're going to be with Jonnie B. soon and you're gonna know everything soon," Patsy said she told Nedra. Then she added: "If anybody can come back and tell me, I know she will."

Patsy was the last person to see JonBenet alive, sleeping in her bed -- "zonked," as she put it.

She said she kissed her daughter and recited the prayer, "Now I lay me down to sleep." But she can't remember if there was a blanket on the bed, or if it was the one JonBenet was wrapped in when her body was found in a windowless basement room the next day.

Pressed for further details of that night, Patsy responded like a woman who has had lawyers in her life for too many years: "It was 4 1/2 years ago. I have not rehearsed or reread my previous statements."

In closing, Patsy said she "would love nothing more from The National ENQUIRER than to say "The ENQUIRER finds the killer.'" And if that happened, she added "I'll be your poster for for the rest of my life."

Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner would not comment on the Ramsey interview.

But in a gloomy assessment of where the case stands, he told The ENQUIRER: "there's really not much happening right now."

The Ramseys remain under an umbrella of suspicion.

here is another article:

The JonBenet Ramsey Case
JonBenet's brother questioned for 6 hours

Investigators reveal little about interviews but say Burke Ramsey answered all questions

By Lisa Levitt Ryckman
Rocky Mountain News Staff Writer

Burke Ramsey spent six hours answering questions earlier this month from an investigator working with the Boulder District Attorney's office, the 11-year-old's lawyer said Thursday.

The interviews were conducted with the consent and cooperation of Burke's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, who have spent the past three days being questioned themselves by the district attorney's office in Boulder.

"There were no conditions," Atlanta attorney Jim Jenkins said of the interviews with Burke, which took place in two-hour sessions June 10-12 at a district attorney's office in the Atlanta area.

"Burke answered every question to the best of his memory and ability," Jenkins said.

Neither Boulder police nor District Attorney Alex Hunter consider Burke a suspect in the death of his 6-year-old sister, JonBenet, whose battered body was found in the basement of the family's Boulder home on Christmas night 1996.

John and Patsy Ramsey have been under suspicion in the killing but have insisted they are innocent. They have had a troubled relationship with the police, who they believe have failed to properly investigate the case. They last talked to police more than a year ago.

But the Ramseys have kept in touch with Hunter's office through investigator Lou Smit, with whom they have spoken on a number of occasions during the past 18 months. The police turned the case over to Hunter earlier this month, but he has yet to decide whether he will grant their request to convene a grand jury in the matter.

Burke, who has been interviewed twice before, was alone when questioned by district attorney's investigator Dan Schuler, a 24-year veteran of the Broomfield Police Department who holds master's degrees in psychology and counseling and specializes in juvenile cases. His mother brought him to the interviews but neither parent was present during the interviews.

Jenkins, who also represents John Ramsey's ex-wife, Cindy Ramsey, and their children, Melinda and John Andrew, watched Burke's interviews from an observation room with Deputy District Attorney Peter Hofstrom.

Videotapes of the first day's interview were sent overnight to Boulder police detectives, district attorney staff and their consultants to prepare for the next day's interviews.

"I feel that everybody involved in the interviews from both sides worked in a cooperative and conscientious manner to make this important step forward a reality," Jenkins said.

"Burke's position is, if there's any other way he can help, he stands ready."

Defense attorney Jeralyn Merritt said the extensive interviews with the Ramseys and son Burke could well preclude the need for a grand jury.

"If the Ramseys and their son have now given lengthy interviews and answered every question of the authorities as if they had been in front of a grand jury, then there would be no need to call a grand jury," Merritt said.

The interviews help everyone, she said. The district attorney gets to ask his questions, the police get to feed their questions to the DA and the Ramseys get to state their case to the DA, Merritt said.

"Everyone is accommodated."

June 26, 1998

it bears noting that Burke has sued certain media for their involvement in sullying his name. link

[David]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

It's certainly keeping the cable news shows busy, it's pretty much 24 hours of JB mania lately.

Particularly Greta van whatshername. Her yearround programming fodder is virtually all unsolved crimes or being-solved crimes. She must have spent four months alone on that damn cruise ship story. I get reaaaaaaally sick of the johnny-one-note news coverage. Vary it! Shake it up a little. Instead, if one story "works," they run it into the ground--just what Lindsey said about the record industry.

[gldstwmn]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/man...012401025.html

Karr was eyeing sex change

The man who confessed to killing JonBenet Ramsey had another bizarre secret up his sleeve in the months before his arrest - he was visiting a surgical centre that specialises in sex-change operations.

Staff at the Pratunam Clinic, Thailand's top transgender centre, told the New York Daily News yesterday that 41-year-old John Mark Karr was a patient of theirs - but wouldn't say how close he was to getting "sexual reassignment" surgery.

"Yes, he had treatment here," a representative said. "He was our patient. He came a number of times. But we cannot give out details on his treatment as we are ethically bound to keep these things private."

The disclosure came a day after The News reported that Karr sought cosmetic surgeons' help changing his face in Bangkok. In his nine months there, he made 12 phone calls from his hotel room - nine of them to plastic surgeons.

Full article at the link.

[desertangel]

Exercising my right to free speech:

My opinion of this guy is that he's a wacked-out-sick-psycho-freak in need of attention and he's getting off on this big-time. I think he needs to be thrown in a cave and have a big stone rolled in front of the opening so he doesn't get any attention of any kind. I also think he's lucky somebody in that throng of people didn't try to off him. If he gets sent to prison they better segretate him.

And why is it this song comes to mind... ?

Can I touch you to see if you're real?
Cause in nothing there's something I feel,
Can my heart take the strain?
Or will it break down again?

In your lips I sense a danger
And you've got the eyes of a stranger.

Have I been sleeping for all these years?
Is it magic that makes you appear?
When I stepped in the room I felt my heart race
But you acted rude when I looked at your face

In your lips I sense a danger
You've got the eyes of a stranger
In your lips I see a danger
You've got the eyes of a stranger

You've got that look in your eyes
Your eyes, You've got that look in your eyes
In your eyes

In your lips I sense a danger
And you've got the eyes of a stranger
In your lips I see a danger
And you've got the eyes of a stranger
you've got the eyes of a stranger
and you've got the eyes of a stranger
you've got the eyes of a stranger
you've got the eyes of a stranger

[gldstwmn]

http://www.forbes.com/entrepreneurs/...ap2960912.html

JonBenet Ramsey Suspect En Route to U.S.
By JOCEYLN GECKER , 08.20.2006, 12:19 PM

John Mark Karr, the suspect in the murder of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, sipped champagne and ate king fried prawns in business class Sunday after being put aboard a flight to Los Angeles to face charges in the United States.

As Karr dined like a tycoon and chatted with the U.S. officials escorting him, Thailand was abuzz with reports that Karr sought treatment at a Thai sex-change clinic.

Karr, who was not charged with any crime in Thailand, was being expelled because he is regarded as an undesirable person. He was not being extradited.

He and three U.S. officials boarded a Thai Airways International flight that took off about 8 p.m. (9 a.m. EDT) for the 15-hour flight to Los Angeles. Karr's journey will eventually end in Boulder, Colo., where he is expected to face charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault in connection with the young beauty queen's 1996 killing.

Thai police whisked Karr into the immigration and customs zone at Don Muang International Airport from an immigration jail in Bangkok. At the departure gate, he chatted amiably with fellow passengers.

On the plane, the 41-year-old teacher sat in a business class window seat next to Mark Spray, an investigator with the Boulder District Attorney's office. He was not handcuffed. A U.S. Embassy official and an agent with "Homeland Security" emblazoned on his T-shirt were also part of the escort party.

Before takeoff, Karr took a glass of champagne from a cabin attendant and clinked glasses with Spray, who had orange juice.

Dinner was served on a starched white tablecloth. Karr started with a pate, then had a green salad with walnut dressing. The main course was fried king prawn with steamed rice and broccoli. Karr drank a beer, crushing the can with his hands when it was empty, then moved on to a glass of French chardonnay with his main course.

Karr was relaxed, smiling and chatting nonstop with the U.S. officials next to him - until television news crews on the flight turned their cameras on. Then he stopped smiling, clutched the armrests of his seat and stared at his lap.

Karr did not speak to reporters, but at one point summoned an AP reporter over to his seat. He mentioned an interview she had given, recalling that someone asked her what he was like.

"You said I looked you straight in the eye when I talked to you and I want to tell you I appreciate that, I thought it was nice," Karr told the AP reporter.

[gldstwmn]

http://denver.yourhub.com/Blog.aspx?contentid=115686

Ramsey arrest: Rolling the dice?

Contributed by: Travis Henry/YourHub.com on 8/19/2006

Many of the talking heads and former prosecutors discussing John Karr's arrest insist that there must be some evidence we aren't seeing.

District Attorney Mary Lacy must have an ace up her sleeve, they claim. There is no chance this man would be a legitimate suspect based just on his bizarre conversations to a University of Colorado professor who makes movies about JonBenet Ramsey.

The public certainly hopes that's true.

And then I remember back to June 2002. Boulder police arrested sex offender Jason Kalami Mook on suspicion of sexually assaulting an autistic boy at a Boulder YMCA.

The district attorney's office took the case and did everything they could to prosecute despite the fact the accuser claimed his attacker was taller than him, when in reality Mook was 5 feet 8 inches tall and the boy was 6 foot 2.

The district attorney's office took the case to a preliminary hearing despite the fact the boy said there were no tattoos on his attacker, but Mook had a large tattoo on his left arm and tattoos on his hands.

They kept trying the case despite the boy's claim his attacker was hairy and Mook was not.

The district attorney's office refused to drop the case even after learning the boy falsely accused a schoolmate of sexual assault.

Here's the kicker. They wanted to try the case even though DNA evidence gathered in the case didn't match Mook.

I sat there bewildered in hearing after hearing while this case progressed. At one point I went to District Attorney Mary Lacy and showed her the stories I had written about the case and expressed my concern. I was hoping she knew something that I didn't.

To her credit, she seemed to listen to me and didn't dismiss my observations.

After Mook spent nearly eightmonths in jail on the alleged assault, the district attorney's office finally dismissed the charges after the boy said he couldn't be certain Mook assaulted him.

Prosecutor Rob Shapiro blamed losing the case on bad luck.

"We just had no evidentiary luck in this case," Shapiro said. "The luck that was needed in this case didn't exist through no fault of anybody. It just wasn't there."

Luck?

Mook's attorney, Public Defender Steve Jacobson was incensed.

"I believe prosecutors are supposed to make their decisions based on the quality of evidence they have and not on the roll of the dice as to the hope of what they may find," Jacobson said.

The JonBenet Ramsey case is much more high profile than the Mook case, and it would be foolish to think they are relying on luck to catch her killer.

But then I am reminded about the so-called CU recruiting scandal which was a high profile case.

They actually charged CU wide receiver Ron Monteilh with supplying marijuana to high school recruits during a party where a woman claimed she was gang raped by players and recruits.

Charges were later dismissed the case saying that Monteilh was "misidentified." He wasn't even there.

Is that just bad luck for the Boulder County District Attorney's Office?

Maybe luck will turn around in the Ramsey case.

But I wouldn't bet on it.