50,000 dogs

[sparky]

Originally Posted by amber

Except slave labor is actually the worst. In the americans have no jobs sense.
I don't agree either, but Americans would hate that. They would even hate two. I say three at the outset. My friend has three, and that's a plenty big enough family.
My friend's cousin is like, 22 or something and has five. I hate her, abstractly, just for that. I also hate mormons, naturally. (I don't really hate all individual mormons, people.)
But still even if three was the limit here, that would cut the growth rate significantly, especially when you consider how many kids immigrant families often have. Like...7? and some already american families, too.

I was kidding about the slave labor, Kashina.

Of course people would hate breeding laws. It's about the only power some people have, to squirt out kids with abandon. Don't get me started on that one.

[skcin]

It's gross. I can barely handle even the idea of 1 or 2 kids. My stupid cousin has 8. He's rich & can support them & all, but I still think it's gross.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by skcin

It's gross. I can barely handle even the idea of 1 or 2 kids. My stupid cousin has 8. He's rich & can support them & all, but I still think it's gross.

Holy damn!! 8 children!!! I know a gal in Rochester who just had her first - she and her husband want at least 5 more. That, in my opinion, is just socially irresponsible.

A friend of mine has two and is thinking of a third - her own mother told her to be happy with what she has and to not have a third baby...her own mother! But I agree with the lady - nowadays there's really no need for a big family -no farms to work, no barns to raise etc...

[skcin]

^ My old boss has 6 kids. When her daughter had her fourth, she told her to stop or her uterus would fall out.

[Rickypt]

I couldn't get past the first few sentences of an article about this, but have to say this is one of the most atrocious actions in my lifetime.

[michelle2677]

Originally Posted by amber

beaten to death in China to try to stop a rabies outbreak??? All that in one county. Um...you mainly are just supposed to kill the ones that have rabies. Isn't rabies passed by blood/saliva? Yes.
Does that seem...stupid...to anyone else? The citizens were offered about 63 cents to kill their own dogs. Three people have died of rabies recently, that is why. There has been an increase in rabies.

China really pisses me off sometimes.
But - only three percent of the dogs are vaccinated against rabies b/c access is limited, especially in the countryside.

If they have enough people to go around and kill all the dogs, including in the countryside, couldn't they have enough to vaccinate the dogs?

I know it's more complex than that, but this just seems...like there could have been something less extreme done. When did China start caring so much about it's people?

I bet some animal groups from several different places could send rabies vaccination parties over. Concentrate first on the areas with fewest vaccinations. I realize it may not be able to be done all at once, but it could still be done.
Bizarre.

This is the sort of thing that totally pisses me off. WTF? Why do they have to be "beaten" to death?? Makes no sense whatsoever to me.

[JazmenFlowers]

I've been thinking about this all day, actually. it still turns my stomach. I wish there was something we could do.

[goldie]

When I read about this last night on the web, I felt like I was going to be sick. They even showed a PICTURE. It is so cruel and inhumane. I feel sick now again just thinking about it. I keep hugging my puppy and telling her how much I love her.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by amber

beaten to death in China to try to stop a rabies outbreak???

That's not why they did it. They were just tenderizing dinner, that's all. They have McDondald's, too.

Originally Posted by amber

Does that seem...stupid...to anyone else? The citizens were offered about 63 cents to kill their own dogs.

Hey, the economy's tough for everyone. Hell, they're not even offered 63 cents to kill their own daughters.

Originally Posted by amber

Three people have died of rabies recently, that is why. There has been an increase in rabies.

Message to world: DON'T SCREW WITH CHINA!

Originally Posted by amber

China really pisses me off sometimes.

I could make a dirty Sanchez joke here...

[amber]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I could make a dirty Sanchez joke here...

How?

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by amber

How?

It would take a while, but you can always end up with a dirty Sanchez joke.

[Miss Vicky]

Originally Posted by skcin

Vicky - how much does rabies vaccine for dogs run?

We charge our clients about $12 for a single dose of rabies vaccine. I'm not sure what our cost is, but I think a tray of 25 doses runs $60 or so. Maybe a little more but not a lot.

[amber]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

It would take a while, but you can always end up with a dirty Sanchez joke.

I can wait.

[Violet]

[QUOTE=skcin since China barely gives a **** about their people, let alone their dogs.[/QUOTE]

I'm a bit offended by the tone of this thread. I'm not talking about the original subject. I didn't read the article about the dogs, and of course I don't agree with the whole killing 50,000 dogs, but the rest of the China bashing.

As some of you know, my daughter is Chinese, and I am quite familiar with their one child policy and have dealt with several governmental agencies in person in China who most definitely "give a **** about their people."

Quote: But, of course, China f*cked up even that. They value men so much more than women that they ditch the girl babies and hope for a boy. So far, the best things they are doing are Kung Pao Chicken and slave labor.

The one child policy was instituted to try to control the population. In urban areas, you are allowed one child, period. If you have more than one, you are fined HEAVILY. If you are in a rural area and your first-born is a girl, you can have another child to try for a boy. A lot of times baby girls are "abandoned," (which as a mom is a very difficult word for me to use), because boys are preferred. Why are boys preferred? Keep in mind that China's culture is thousands of years old, and although they are rapidly becoming more up-to-date in terms of technology, economics, etc, most of the country is still very, very poor, uneducated and old-fashioned. For thousands of years, sons in China have been relied upon to care for their parents in old age. It is something that has been done in families for generations. Girls are married off to a man who will care for HIS parents.

I visited a village where there were no phones, TV or running water. As our group of Americans walked around that village with 16 Chinese babies, the people there were the friendliest I've ever seen. They followed us around, allowed us to look in their modest homes and made sure our babies were dressed warmly enough.

The government has a department, The Chinese Center for Adoption Affairs, that the ONLY thing they do is match babies with parents and facillitate adoptions. The local government employees I met in Nanchang were thrilled all these children were finding homes. The director of the adoption agency I used has met with the current and past presidents of China several times to discuss adoption issues.

You know, I don't get involved in the political discussions on the Ledge, because when you're bashing the President or the US, you guys live here. But you don't live in China and you're passing judgment on China as a whole, and that sucks.


Carol

[irishgrl]

with all due respect Carol, any culture that values one sex over another (for ANY reason) is messed up. Its no secret (and I guess you know this because you adopted a GIRL) that boys are more important than Girls in Chinese culture. Therefore, there is a built in (IMO) problem with the value put on different sexes. Did you want a boy? did you even ask? if so, what was your answer? just some points to think about.