50,000 dogs

amber · #1 08-02-2006, 01:34 AM

beaten to death in China to try to stop a rabies outbreak??? All that in one county. Um...you mainly are just supposed to kill the ones that have rabies. Isn't rabies passed by blood/saliva? Yes.
Does that seem...stupid...to anyone else? The citizens were offered about 63 cents to kill their own dogs. Three people have died of rabies recently, that is why. There has been an increase in rabies.

China really pisses me off sometimes.
But - only three percent of the dogs are vaccinated against rabies b/c access is limited, especially in the countryside.

If they have enough people to go around and kill all the dogs, including in the countryside, couldn't they have enough to vaccinate the dogs?

I know it's more complex than that, but this just seems...like there could have been something less extreme done. When did China start caring so much about it's people?

I bet some animal groups from several different places could send rabies vaccination parties over. Concentrate first on the areas with fewest vaccinations. I realize it may not be able to be done all at once, but it could still be done.
Bizarre.

carrie721 · #2 08-02-2006, 01:37 AM

What the fukc?????? Fukc that ****. You don't beat ANYTHING to death, no matter what, unless your life is in immediate danger. Wow, that pisses me off. A lot. Test and euthanize those that are sick ... But you don't ****ing beat an animal to death. GOD!!!!!!!! I HATE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!

David · #3 08-02-2006, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by amber

beaten to death in China to try to stop a rabies outbreak??? All that in one county. Um...you mainly are just supposed to kill the ones that have rabies. Isn't rabies passed by blood/saliva? Yes.
Does that seem...stupid...to anyone else? The citizens were offered about 63 cents to kill their own dogs. Three people have died of rabies recently, that is why. There has been an increase in rabies.

Most of Asia is definitely not particularly enlightened in animal welfare & treatment issues. And some of Asia is a cesspool of animal brutality.

amber · #4 08-02-2006, 01:53 AM

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Most of Asia is definitely not particularly enlightened in animal welfare & treatment issues. And some of Asia is a cesspool of animal brutality.

Yes. I guess not just China pisses me off, but intermittently possibly all of Asia.

But that wasn't exactly the focus of my point...it seems like something that could possibly be avoided. I mean...if you are going to use dogs for food, whatever.
But beating 50,000 to stop rabies? It's moronic! Seriously, though, China pisses me off. Would they even let volunteer vaccinators in? Or even, maybe, taken donated quantities of vaccination stuff and had the beaters be the vaccinators, instead?
I guess in China there is so many people that they can't even consider oh, say, more modern solutions? It seriously shocks me, though, that China would care that three people died, care enough to kill 50,000 dogs. Don't they have the one baby ban? And they're the most populous country in the world?
Plz.
What, are the gov't officials going to sell the dogs for meat? That would make more sense, except I don't think you can eat rabies meat. Though probably only a small percentage of them had rabies.

China doesn't give a flying f*ck if anyone wants to do something about this, do they? They're supposed to have the fastest growing economy, we get all kinds of sh*t from them, tons of trade, but somehow no one can vaccinate the dogs in place of them getting beaten to death?

Can someone help me figure this out?

carrie721 · #5 08-02-2006, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by amber

What, are the gov't officials going to sell the dogs for meat? That would make more sense, except I don't think you can eat rabies meat. Though probably only a small percentage of them had rabies.

To find out what's safe to eat, they'll have to test it. And if they test it after the fact, I'm going to be pissed, because they could've just tested before they savagely beat 50,000 dogs to death.

amber · #6 08-02-2006, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

To find out what's safe to eat, they'll have to test it. And if they test it after the fact, I'm going to be pissed, because they could've just tested before they savagely beat 50,000 dogs to death.

Exactly, and there are all kinds of issues I just mentioned similar to that, thus the outcry "can someone help me figure this out?"
It's pretty hard for me to believe that China is going to waste 50,000 bodies of dogmeat. They'll probably make it into dog food.

Seriously, this is like, reason number 10 that China pisses me off. Don't get me started about their theories that endangered animals have "magical medicinal properties". Don't get me started about their total disregard for the Ocean. Their recent economic rise using totally polluting equipment, and worse besides. I so hate that we trade with them.

Miss Vicky · #7 08-02-2006, 07:40 AM

DISCLAIMER: I am not, in any way, defending what these morons are doing. However, I feel I should point something out:

THERE IS NO WAY TO TEST A DOG FOR RABIES WHILE IT IS STILL ALIVE. The virus lives in brain tissue. In order to definitively test for rabies, the animal's head must be severed and the tissues analyzed. There is, however, a less accurate way to find out if an animal has the virus - quarantine. Animals that have rabies will die very quickly - usually within about 10 days from the time of infection. Therefore, a dog that is still alive after being isolated from all other animals for a period of 10-15 days does not have rabies. The trouble with this method is that if an animal does die within the quarantine period, that does not necessarily mean that it did have rabies.

irishgrl · #8 08-02-2006, 07:49 AM

Vicki, your fortune cookie got me to thinking:

One of my co-workers got this one:

Never sniff the inside of a hat.

As for this article, the approach the Chinese are taking reminds me a bit of killing a fly with a sledgehammer..........

Miss Vicky · #9 08-02-2006, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

Never sniff the inside of a hat.

That's just bizarre.

Okay then...

JazmenFlowers · #10 08-02-2006, 08:31 AM

here's an article:

A county in southwest China has ordered all 50,546 dogs to be killed in an effort to fight a rabies outbreak that has caused the deaths of three people, state media has said. Around 90 percent of the dogs in Muding county, Yunnan province, had already been killed since the campaign began on July 25, the Beijing News said.
Owners were ordered to kill their pets or face having teams of local police and other enforcement officers kill them, it said. Even the 4,292 dogs in the county that had been immunized against rabies were ordered put to death, as authorities said the immunizations were not 100 percent effective, the report said.

From January through July, 360 people in the county had been bitten by dogs, with the three human deaths occurring since April, the Beijing Times said. Some owners have used methods including hanging their dogs, electrocuting them and clubbing them to death, while others used drugs, the Beijing News said.

Dog owwners had been compensated five yuan (60 cents) each for the loss of their pets.

A reporter for the Beijing News who visited the county said one woman was told by dog-elimination squads patrolling the streets that her dog had to be killed. She covered her eyes as the patrollers beat her dog to death.

To prevent dog owners from violating the order, roadside checkpoints had been set up to inspect vehicles for dogs, the Beijing News said. Any dogs found were immediately killed at the scene.
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can you imagine? I mean, being forced to kill your own dog. it makes me sick. I don't see any rationale in any of this. why must the methods be so brutal?

skcin · #11 08-02-2006, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

here's an article:

A county in southwest China has ordered all 50,546 dogs to be killed in an effort to fight a rabies outbreak that has caused the deaths of three people, state media has said. Around 90 percent of the dogs in Muding county, Yunnan province, had already been killed since the campaign began on July 25, the Beijing News said.
Owners were ordered to kill their pets or face having teams of local police and other enforcement officers kill them, it said. Even the 4,292 dogs in the county that had been immunized against rabies were ordered put to death, as authorities said the immunizations were not 100 percent effective, the report said.
From January through July, 360 people in the county had been bitten by dogs, with the three human deaths occurring since April, the Beijing Times said. Some owners have used methods including hanging their dogs, electrocuting them and clubbing them to death, while others used drugs, the Beijing News said.

Dog owwners had been compensated five yuan (60 cents) each for the loss of their pets.

A reporter for the Beijing News who visited the county said one woman was told by dog-elimination squads patrolling the streets that her dog had to be killed. She covered her eyes as the patrollers beat her dog to death.

To prevent dog owners from violating the order, roadside checkpoints had been set up to inspect vehicles for dogs, the Beijing News said. Any dogs found were immediately killed at the scene.
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can you imagine? I mean, being forced to kill your own dog. it makes me sick. I don't see any rationale in any of this. why must the methods be so brutal?

^ WTF? Why wouldn't it be effective? Sounds like BS to me.

Vicky - how much does rabies vaccine for dogs run? It's really expensive for humans (about $120 per dose - you need 3 doses prophylactically or 5 doses post exposure.) Just wondering. Not that it matters, since China barely gives a **** about their people, let alone their dogs.

sparky · #12 08-02-2006, 01:13 PM

This is foul and brutal, as nearly everything about China is.
I do support their one baby rule in theory though, if not in practice.

amber · #13 08-02-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

here's an article:

A county in southwest China has ordered all 50,546 dogs to be killed in an effort to fight a rabies outbreak that has caused the deaths of three people, state media has said. Around 90 percent of the dogs in Muding county, Yunnan province, had already been killed since the campaign began on July 25, the Beijing News said.
Owners were ordered to kill their pets or face having teams of local police and other enforcement officers kill them, it said. Even the 4,292 dogs in the county that had been immunized against rabies were ordered put to death, as authorities said the immunizations were not 100 percent effective, the report said.

From January through July, 360 people in the county had been bitten by dogs, with the three human deaths occurring since April, the Beijing Times said. Some owners have used methods including hanging their dogs, electrocuting them and clubbing them to death, while others used drugs, the Beijing News said.

Dog owwners had been compensated five yuan (60 cents) each for the loss of their pets.

A reporter for the Beijing News who visited the county said one woman was told by dog-elimination squads patrolling the streets that her dog had to be killed. She covered her eyes as the patrollers beat her dog to death.

To prevent dog owners from violating the order, roadside checkpoints had been set up to inspect vehicles for dogs, the Beijing News said. Any dogs found were immediately killed at the scene.
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can you imagine? I mean, being forced to kill your own dog. it makes me sick. I don't see any rationale in any of this. why must the methods be so brutal?

I read that last night. It didn't answer any of my questions. So three people died. Why would china care. Also, it seems fishy that the immunizations weren't effective. Perhaps they could get the effective ones that everyone else uses, then?

Sparky - I like the one baby rule, too. Or how about two? Two is plenty of kids. I mean, here, not in China.

sparky · #14 08-02-2006, 01:33 PM

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Sparky - I like the one baby rule, too. Or how about two? Two is plenty of kids. I mean, here, not in China.

Two is okay, I guess. The problem is that two implies that the current population is fine. I don't agree.

But, of course, China f*cked up even that. They value men so much more than women that they ditch the girl babies and hope for a boy. So far, the best things they are doing are Kung Pao Chicken and slave labor.

amber · #15 08-02-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky

Two is okay, I guess. The problem is that two implies that the current population is fine. I don't agree.

But, of course, China f*cked up even that. They value men so much more than women that they ditch the girl babies and hope for a boy. So far, the best things they are doing are Kung Pao Chicken and slave labor.

Except slave labor is actually the worst. In the americans have no jobs sense.
I don't agree either, but Americans would hate that. They would even hate two. I say three at the outset. My friend has three, and that's a plenty big enough family.
My friend's cousin is like, 22 or something and has five. I hate her, abstractly, just for that. I also hate mormons, naturally.

(I don't really hate all individual mormons, people.)
But still even if three was the limit here, that would cut the growth rate significantly, especially when you consider how many kids immigrant families often have. Like...7? and some already american families, too.