9/11 Conspiracy Theory

[irishgrl]

from the site: www.whatreallyhappened.com :

The Booker Elementary video shows the Secret Service did not rush in to remove the President to a secure location, or at least to the safety of the armored Presidential Limousine. That's their job. That's what they do in the case of a real surprise attack withmany unknowns. They don't do anything else.

But the Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

Bush defenders try to explain Bush's inaction as his not wanting to upset the children. Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9-11" suggests Bush's inaction was due to his not being told to leave. But Michael Moore fails to follow that line of reasoning through to its logical conclusion; where were the people whose job it is to get the President to a place of safety in event of attack, the people who would have, SHOULD have, pulled Bush out of there, children and public appearances be damned!

The Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

If the events of 9-11 were truly a surprise to the United States Government then there is no way the Secret Service could have known there wasn't a hijacked or stolen plane heading towards Booker Elementary School that very second.

The Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

The Secret Service should be in that video, but they are not. It is clear from their inaction that they KNEW FOR A FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS NOT A TARGET OF ONE OF THE HIJACKED PLANES. The intended targets of the planes had to have been known.

The dog did not bark because the criminal was its master.

Quod Erat Demonstradum, the Bush administration was part of the 9-11 plot.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Interesting. So let me ask you this. Given the men in white suits with the geiger counters, is it possible that Padilla detonated some experimental device at the Murrah building?
The government must know the truth on Padilla. Just whose team is this guy playing on anyway? Makes you wonder.

there has been experts who have said the damage caused by the "4800 lbs ANFO truck bomb" could not have caused the damage alone, if at all.

The following study (Which was to show that one ANFO truck bomb could cause the damage) proved to a disaster to the government so much that it was shelved instead of being used during McVeigh's trial (The link is below, Very interesting read) :

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RA.../multibla.html

I remember reading that some believe the closed circuit recordings of the blast (That mysteriously have disappearred) show what may have been a small nuclear explosion caused by a missle (Or even worse, that the Ryder Truck may have exploded, causing yet another bomb parked underneath the Murrah Building to explode, thus explaining the 4.2 second lapse between recorded "seismic abnormalities"...Of interest, days before April 19,1995 several workers at the Murrah building reported seeing "workers" doing "some type of work" on the structure support columns underneath the building.)...If that is true it shows how FUBAR'd this situation indeed was.

911 is interesting in of itself, but OKC is an enigma...One that some hollywood "Limo Liberal" type should explore (ie-Micheal "Krispy Kremes are King" Moore)

[madformac]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

Man, I may get my wish and have Deb take a picture of me re-creating the Who's cover of the album "Who's Next" by "pissing" on the statue of Halliburton's founder at the city park in Duncan.

Now I'd vote for that!

[madformac]

Originally Posted by Nixxxed

I was flipping past Fox yesterday, just long enough to hear some ancient pundit remark about the whole Sheen incident:

"Well, now we know why Denise Richards divorced him ... heh, heh, heh!"

I watched her in "The World Is Not Enough" tonight (That would make a good title for this thread and Bush's ideals!). I forgot how well she wore a wet t-shirt.

[David]

Holy ****! The conspiracy story is ON THE FRONT PAGE OF NEW YORK MAGAZINE!!! A great story by Mark Jacobson:
http://www.newyorkmetro.com/news/fea...464/index.html

Here's a great part of the story:

A year and a half later, doubt had increased, at least according to my own informal canvassing. Per Nick Levis’s “HOP” paper, I offered four choices: (A) the Official Story; (B) the Official Story plus incompetence; (C) LIHOP; (D) MIHOP.

Of the 56 respondents, 28 said C, 23 picked B, with 4 (including two Muslim cabdrivers) opting for MIHOP.

Almost every white person with a straight job said B. Many disliked Bush but said they couldn’t bring themselves to believe the U.S. government would take part in the death of 3,000 of its countrymen.

Typical was the opinion offered by an investment banker at a downtown bar. “I can see them wishing it would happen, secretly happy it did. But on purpose? Look at the way they’ve managed Iraq. They’re boobs. They couldn’t have pulled off 9/11 without getting caught. Not possible.”

Uptown, responses were different. “Yeah, they knew,” said a retired transit worker on 116th Street, one of the 17 of 22 black people questioned who picked C. He said he’d heard Marvin Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a director of Securacom, a firm that on 9/11 was in charge of security not only at the World Trade Center but also for United and American airlines as well as at Dulles airport, where Flight 77 took off.

“That true?” he asked.

Yeah, I said. That’s what I heard.

“There anywhere he ain’t got no brother?”

“Bush’s cousin, Wirt Walker III, worked there, too.”

“Wirt? The third? You’re ****ting me.”

[strandinthewind]

^^^^^

My only problem with a conspiracy theory of this size is just that - the size of it requires too many people involved. My experience is the more people involved, the more easily someone lets something slip, etc. Now, do I think cover ups happen after events like 9/11. Of course they do - and that is some scary shiitte

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

^^^^^

My only problem with a conspiracy theory of this size is just that - the size of it requires too many people involved. My experience is the more people involved, the more easily someone lets something slip, etc. Now, do I think cover ups happen after events like 9/11. Of course they do - and that is some scary shiitte

I dont think you need more than a dozen in on this. plus one hired hand. to be killed later.
I can see a group of Neocons sitting around a table plotting this thing, hiring a demolition expert to plant the explosives and then take him out somewhere, shoot him or better yet, leave him for dead in the basement of WTC1. no witnesses, no problem.

yep....kinda like that pseudo group, SD6 (from Alias). bunch of crazy old men with an agenda.

[bretonbanquet]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

^^^^^

My only problem with a conspiracy theory of this size is just that - the size of it requires too many people involved.

That's my immediate thought as well - this would need an awful lot of people to keep silent for a hell of a long time, which traditionally doesn't happen. Someone always blabs about their role eventually. I know that governments the world over are bent as all hell, but I think this might be a conspiracy theory too far.

[strandinthewind]

Esp when OBL himself took credit for it more than once

[madformac]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

^^^^^

My only problem with a conspiracy theory of this size is just that - the size of it requires too many people involved. My experience is the more people involved, the more easily someone lets something slip, etc. Now, do I think cover ups happen after events like 9/11. Of course they do - and that is some scary shiitte

Yeah but surely leaks are expected and the reaction to leaks is to spread more and more rumours. Put out enough disinformation and the public doesn't know what to believe, it's all standard black ops stuff I guess. The public are like cattle, as a group they are pretty stupid and easily led. When you get one or two clever ones that stick out, that's when the government goes into action.

You knew Jim Garrison didn't you?

I can't imagine the amount of **** he stirred up in his office from 65 to 68, he was ridiculed for his theories, only years later was it acknowledged that Clay Shaw was a CIA operative which was convenient 'cos he was dead and couldn't say anything anyway. Still to this day nobody has really figured out exactly what happened yet so many would have had to have known.

[strandinthewind]

I clerked for him.

Also, the scope of that cover up was much smaller than flying four (asuming) jet airliners with 12 ? conspirators on each financed by OBL the for which took place over a period of a few years I am not saying it could not have happened. I am just saying it is a very complex thing to keep quiet. Moreover, the US had no interest in such an event. W could have found and undoubtedly would have found another way to go to Iraq.

[madformac]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Esp when OBL himself took credit for it more than once

Who's payroll is he on??

Bush found Saddam pretty quickly didn't he? When it was convenient.

When you think about OBL he is a perfect figurehead, every story needs a bad guy. You can't kill off the bad guy if you want to make a few sequels to the movie right? Bush Wars. Episode I : WTC Episode II : Afghanistan, Episode III : Iraq, Episode IV : Iran

Bush is the Emperor, Blair is Anakin (Good guy turned bad by the Emperor). Maybe OBL actually is Obi Wan? He's got the beard and robes... He has got a rebel alliance....

[strandinthewind]

LOL!!!!!!

I think the US will do whatever it takes to secure the flow of oil - but flying planes into our own buildings is a little too much of a stretch for me

Also - I think Babs is Yoda

[dreamongypsydkm]

Not everybody has been quiet, to speak up is not just a matter of getting a microphone. People are silenced, but some information leaks, this is directly from the Scholars for 9/11 Truth but it's noted in many sources.

Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta provided provocative testimony before the 9-11 Commission. He testified that he went down to the Presidential Emergency Operations Center under the White House at about 9:20 on 9/11/01. Vice President Cheney was there and in charge as President Bush was not in Washington, DC. Secretary Mineta related:

During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, "The plane is 50 miles out." "The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to "the plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the Vice President, "Do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"

It goes on to say....

There was plenty of time for the scrambling of military jets to intercept flight AA77; it had been well off its flight-approved course for over 50 minutes before it came close to the Pentagon. The commission did not ask such questions, did not include Mineta’s testimony above in the 9/11 Commission Report -- a glaring omission (Griffin, 2005), -- and removed the video of Mineta’s testimony from the 9/11 Commission website

Obviously that's referring to the fact that no jets were scrambled and therefore exactly what orders were still to stand, those to not intercept the incoming plane. It's not that easy for something to slip out and certainly some little things have, hence the mounting alternative theories.

[madformac]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I clerked for him.

Also, the scope of that cover up was much smaller than flying four (asuming) jet airliners with 12 ? conspirators on each financed by OBL the for which took place over a period of a few years I am not saying it could not have happened. I am just saying it is a very complex thing to keep quiet. Moreover, the US had no interest in such an event. W could have found and undoubtedly would have found another way to go to Iraq.

Surely is doesn't matter how many know something? If they don't know everything, just pieces then they can't be sure. For all we know the entire US forces were in on it.. I very much doubt it. If we are talking about the events purely on 911 as a trigger then from what we have on this thread you have got 3 teams on the jets, two demolition groups, probably disguised as "maintainance" engineers, a few people in Washington to control comms and thats it. Anybody killed in NYC or Washington goes down as a consequential loss. All the important people are moved away from the danger zones or reassigned. Its easy to do in a matter of months. That probable team had 8 months in office to plan it. No way was Bush involved until the planes hit. He's your figurehead here and is way to stupid to know anything. His dad is clever though, as are his friends on that administration.