9/11 Conspiracy Theory - Page 3

madformac · #31 03-26-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

exactamundo. the Neocons dont CARE about sheep lives.

I was tempted to say its up to you guys to vote them out next time but considering the somewhat dubious surroundings with the last two election results that probably won't work either..

estranged4life · #32 03-26-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

This and the missing video tape (possibly) showing the driver has always bothered me about the OKC bombing.

of the "real driver" of the Ryder truck (Remember, there were over 100+ credible eyewitnesses who saw McVeigh in the Ryder truck as a passenger and a "olive skinned" man behind the wheel...The government NEVER called a single one of these witnesses to testify in the trials for both McVeigh & Nichols.)

When Jose Padilla was first made known nationally, the eyewitnesses to seeing the driver of the Ryder truck immediately were shocked:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/padillaJD2.html

Even the witnesses at the Ryder Rental store in Kansas said there were sure it was Padilla with McVeigh and not some "caucasian" local soldier that our government said was mistaken for John Doe #2 at the same rental store the same day but he was by himself.

As for the leg, it was never claimed (How does one claim their leg anyways

) and it was buried in an "unmarked grave".

irishgrl · #33 03-26-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by madformac

I was tempted to say its up to you guys to vote them out next time but considering the somewhat dubious surroundings with the last two election results that probably won't work either..

Our country has been co-opted by the Neocons. no detail is too small, and no lie is to big to tell. We've got the evidence that both elections were rigged, but again, nothing is being done. To make matters worse, the Feds have mandated that all elections be electronic, and my County just approved a whole contingent of Diebold machines. I forsee a HUGE switch to absentee votes because I havent heard anything but anger and disgust about this development, no one trusts Diebold. (granted, they are just boxes, but I think the rest of the pieces of the puzzle --programmers, software, vote readers etc are capable of being corrupted AND put in place when the need arises). California has been a blue state and a thorn in the Rethug's side now for some time. The latest foray to influence vote outcomes (retired judges to decide district boundries) failed Thank GAWD! but I dont think thats the last we're going to see of these types of shady underhanded tricks.....

Nixxxed · #34 03-26-2006, 03:07 PM

Here's a good site: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wrh_9-11_index.html

Under the "WTC Collapse" link, there is video of the WTC-7 collapse. Plus quotes about Guiliani saying it was a diesel tank explosion, in opposition to a couple of guys who admitted it was purposely demolished with explosives because it was unsafe, in opposition to the official story of the fires from the main WTC collapse causing it. Did you all know that WTC-7 housed IRS records and (I think) certain FBI files related to prominent cases? Plus, that supposedly PCs recovered from the collapse showed hundreds of millions of dollars of illegal financial transactions right before the attack started?

There is also a good page for the Pentagon attack analysis. The guy who runs this page thinks it actually did happen (and has pic evidence posted), and the missile/commuter plane/USAF jet theories were floated to purposely make everyone look like *crazy* conspiracy nuts (as opposed to intelligent, thoughtful conspiracy investigators) and discredit them.

I'm not sure what I actually think - there are too many missing pieces, not to mention overlapping ones. And what if all this conspiracy info is bogus and intended as misdirection (see conspiracy nut comment above). I don't believe we've gotten the actual story, however, and doubt we ever will. Just like any other major scandal that has ever happened in this or any other country.

estranged4life · #35 03-26-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixxxed

Here's a good site: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wrh_9-11_index.html

Under the "WTC Collapse" link, there is video of the WTC-7 collapse. Plus quotes about Guiliani saying it was a diesel tank explosion, in opposition to a couple of guys who admitted it was purposely demolished with explosives because it was unsafe, in opposition to the official story of the fires from the main WTC collapse causing it. Did you all know that WTC-7 housed IRS records and (I think) certain FBI files related to prominent cases? Plus, that supposedly PCs recovered from the collapse showed hundreds of millions of dollars of illegal financial transactions right before the attack started?

I was going to post some interesting articles from their website n regards to the OKC Bombing, When I saw that you posted info on 911/WTC

Anyways, here is the link to some interesting "seismic" info on OKC:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RA...ICS/OK/ok.html

Oh, speaking of WTC 7, Dont anyone think that with the collapse of WTC 7 that the lease holder of the property would benefit from its demise? Knock it down and make more money off of it through a claim!

irishgrl · #36 03-26-2006, 03:37 PM

Here is a really good article that illustrates California's part in this whole elections drama:

Global Eye

Party Hacks

By Chris Floyd
Published: March 3, 2006

Two weeks ago, an obscure, unelected, Republican-appointed official in California decided the future of the world. That future -- at least for the next several years -- will be an accelerating nightmare of war, corruption, repression, atrocity and terror. That's because the loyal apparatchik has, with the stroke of a pen, guaranteed the perpetuation of the Bush faction in power in 2008 and beyond.

One of the few certainties in modern U.S. politics is that no Democrat can win the presidency without carrying California. Thanks to the Electoral College system set up by the Founding Oligarchs to keep the low-born rabble from voting directly for president, the big haul of California's electoral votes is crucial for Democrats to offset the multitude of small, sparsely populated states that reliably vote Republican. Bagging California doesn't guarantee Democratic victory, but without it, the cliffhanger electoral counts in the goosed elections of 2000 and 2004 wouldn't even have been close.

Thus, the sudden, hugger-mugger decision by California Secretary of State Bruce McPherson to override the objections of his own experts and certify the eminently hackable voting machines of the politically partisan firm, Diebold, for use throughout the state means, quite simply, that the fix is in for 2008. It doesn't matter who the Democrats run -- Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, George Clooney or Jesus H. Christ in an Uncle Sam suit. It won't make a bit of difference. California is lost, the presidency is lost and the Bushists are in -- already. It's over.

After Diebold's machines failed miserably in a battery of tests last year, McPherson vowed to put their certification on hold until his own hand-picked panel of experts had fine-combed the system to a fare-thee-well, blogger Brad Friedman reports. The panel delivered their conclusions last month -- and the results were staggering, far beyond the worst fears of the most hard-core "conspiracy theorist." The panel found that Diebold's machines were riddled with curious built-in glitches that effectively "ceded complete control of the system" to hackers who could "change vote totals, modify reports, change the names of candidates and change the races being voted on."

What's more, "hackers wouldn't need to know passwords or cryptographic keys, or have access to any other part of the system to do their dirty work," the Los Angeles Times notes. "Voters, candidates and election monitors wouldn't necessarily know they'd been rooked." A more perfect vehicle for fixing an election can hardly be imagined. And it would require nothing more than a handful of high-tech zealots, not a vast conspiracy.

Naturally, after such a blistering condemnation, McPherson did what any official charged with guaranteeing the integrity and credibility of his state's elections would do: He approved the slipshod system by the dark of the moon, on a Friday before a holiday weekend, without any public hearings -- indeed, without waiting for the results of a pending federal review of Diebold's mole-infested code. Now, the Diebold contraptions, whose chronic "breakdowns" have featured in numerous contested elections and last-second "miracle" victories by Republican candidates across the country in recent years, will control California's pot of electoral gold.

A good example of how this control works can be found in Alaska. There, the state Democratic Party has long been seeking an audit of some of the 2004 Diebold-counted returns, which produced a series of strange anomalies -- including awarding President George W. Bush an extra 100,000 votes that turned out to be phantoms. First, state officials blocked the request because that information, the vote count of a public election, was a "company secret" that belonged exclusively to Diebold, Friedman reports. Then they decided that the returns could be examined -- but only on the condition that Diebold and the Republican officials be allowed to "manipulate the data" before it was released. In the end, even this tainted transparency was too much for the Bushist ballot crunchers; late last month, Alaska officials suddenly declared that examining the returns would pose a dire but unspecified "security risk" to the state.

America's votes are increasingly controlled by a small number of interrelated corporations: Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia, all of which have close political and financial ties to the Bush faction -- and to other dark forces as well. Diebold and ES&S were both bankrolled by tycoon Howard Ahmanson, who was also a major funder of the Christian "Reconstructionist" movement, which openly advocates a totalitarian theocracy in America, including the death penalty for homosexuals, slavery for debtors, stoning for sinners and stripping nonbelievers of citizenship. As journalist Max Blumenthal reports, these extremists have been welcomed as a key part of the Bushist base of politicized evangelicals, whose cadres have been quietly filling government posts for the past five years. Meanwhile, Sequoia -- whose machines racked up 100,000 "mistakes" in just one Florida county in 2004, according to a recent audit -- is owned by a business partner of the Carlyle Group, the investment firm whose insider deals and war profiteering have earned millions for the Bush family.

Thus, the 2008 election will be conducted largely on wide-open machines programmed by avowed partisans and paymasters of a ruthless gang that has already committed demonstrable vote fraud on a massive scale in engineering narrow "victories" in 2000 and 2004. So it doesn't matter who runs, who votes or how unpopular the Bush faction becomes through the murderous ruin of its radical agenda. The "consent of the governed" will be drowned in the blood money that has bought the nation's electoral process.

http://context.themoscowtimes.com/st...03/03/120.html

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like I said, absentee votes and make COPIES before you mail them in!

estranged4life · #37 03-26-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by madformac

I was tempted to say its up to you guys to vote them out next time but considering the somewhat dubious surroundings with the last two election results that probably won't work either..

vote for an Indepedent candidate in 2008, or God-forbiding that no Independent is listed on the Oklahoma ballot, I will "auction" my vote off on eBay for the right to vote for one of the main 2 political parties (The highest winning bidder's political party will win my vote...So I hope many will bid often!!!)

Oh, one more "conspiracy"...Dont anyone think it is interesting that Halliburton is having their "stock holder's annual meeting" in Duncan. Oklahoma this year (The town where Hella-burton was created) as opposed to the usual site of Houston to avoid the expected protesters? Man, I may get my wish and have Deb take a picture of me re-creating the Who's cover of the album "Who's Next" by "pissing" on the statue of Halliburton's founder at the city park in Duncan.

gldstwmn · #38 03-26-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by estranged4life

of the "real driver" of the Ryder truck (Remember, there were over 100+ credible eyewitnesses who saw McVeigh in the Ryder truck as a passenger and a "olive skinned" man behind the wheel...The government NEVER called a single one of these witnesses to testify in the trials for both McVeigh & Nichols.)

When Jose Padilla was first made known nationally, the eyewitnesses to seeing the driver of the Ryder truck immediately were shocked:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/padillaJD2.html

Even the witnesses at the Ryder Rental store in Kansas said there were sure it was Padilla with McVeigh and not some "caucasian" local soldier that our government said was mistaken for John Doe #2 at the same rental store the same day but he was by himself.

As for the leg, it was never claimed (How does one claim their leg anyways

) and it was buried in an "unmarked grave".

Interesting. So let me ask you this. Given the men in white suits with the geiger counters, is it possible that Padilla detonated some experimental device at the Murrah building?
The government must know the truth on Padilla. Just whose team is this guy playing on anyway? Makes you wonder.

gldstwmn · #39 03-26-2006, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

Our country has been co-opted by the Neocons.

It's all about the corporation. Little did many of us know when we got the CEO president what that truly meant.
I sure the hell didn't see it turning out like this five years ago.

DavidMn · #40 03-26-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

I disagree my dear....I can VERY much see this being a dark plot by the neocons to jump start their agenda. Ive got that CD from that site, (www.reopen911.org dont click on it, its not working for some reason!) and I appreciate the guts that Charlie Sheen is showing by speaking out. I especially appreciate him speaking out because he is a celebrity and people pay attention to celebrities.....Good for him I say...

ok, I was going to post the link so people could get their own free DVD, but I think its closed. instead, here is an affiliated link that has quite a bit of resources including downloads etc
Scholars for 911 Truth

Fair enough. But doesnt it annoy you when a celebrity that you pretty much doesnt really know what's going on, be it on either side of the issue, just shoots theiur mouth off?

strandinthewind · #41 03-26-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidMn

Fair enough. But doesnt it annoy you when a celebrity that you pretty much doesnt really know what's going on, be it on either side of the issue, just shoots theiur mouth off?

Well, how do you know what that celebrity knows? I mean they can read a newspaper and watch CNN just like I and you can

So, the presumption that they pretty much do not know what is going on is a little bit of a stretch and pretty much rests on the incorrect theory that all celebrities are unlearned idiots popping off for publicity

DavidMn · #42 03-26-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, how do you know what that celebrity knows? I mean they can read a newspaper and watch CNN just like I and you can

So, the presumption that they pretty much do not know what is going on is a little bit of a stretch and pretty much rests on the incorrect theory that all celebrities are unlearned idiots popping off for publicity

No I certainly dont. I guess they can say whatever they want. It is a free country. If I dont likew what theyre saying I'll just switch the channel.

strandinthewind · #43 03-26-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidMn

No I certainly dont. I guess they can say whatever they want. It is a free country. If I dont likew what theyre saying I'll just switch the channel.

That is just such a pet peeve of mine and the right, mostly via Fox News et al, use it constantly. They imply that just because a person is a celebrity, they have no credibility, etc. Then, they villify them for it instead of replying to the statement from the celebrity. Then, they venerate the opinions of celebrities who agree with them. And - they do it for ratings. The whole thing makes me sick.

Nixxxed · #44 03-26-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

That is just such a pet peeve of mine and the right, mostly via Fox News et al, use it constantly. They imply that just because a person is a celebrity, they have no credibility, etc. Then, they villify them for it instead of replying to the statement from the celebrity. Then, they venerate the opinions of celebrities who agree with them. And - they do it for ratings. The whole thing makes me sick.

I was flipping past Fox yesterday, just long enough to hear some ancient pundit remark about the whole Sheen incident:

"Well, now we know why Denise Richards divorced him ... heh, heh, heh!"

irishgrl · #45 03-26-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixxxed

I was flipping past Fox yesterday, just long enough to hear some ancient pundit remark about the whole Sheen incident:

"Well, now we know why Denise Richards divorced him ... heh, heh, heh!"

I am not a fan of Charlie Sheen's ordinarily (because of his treatment of women primarily) but I still say the guy has guts, and I think he should be applauded for taking an unpopular stand on this issue. Im assuming he must've done SOME research or he wouldnt BE sticking his neck out this way.

Fox news is a joke.