Don Henley/Stevie Nicks (Summer Tour)

[dissention]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I never heard that part.

They had a segment about it in her episode of Behind the Music and it was the first I had heard of it. It's all pretty strange, but she had also been accused of not giving the band their proper share of the credit and so on for the Tueday Night Music Club album.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

I think it definitely made her look like an opportunist. She made a lot of connections in the business early on and clawed her way to the top thereafter. I think she probably used some people and stepped on a few backs to get there. When I heard that she went on a late night talk show and claimed that Leaving Las Vegas was autobiographical I couldn't believe it. Actually, after I found out that only a few of the songs on TNMC were autobiographical it lowered my estimation of her. You can make up a story and sing about it, whatever. But when you sing something with conviction and try to present it to the world like it's a page out of your own life and then later say it was made up, then it feels like, as a fan, you've been deceived. It's disingenuous, and it tainted my view of Sheryl from then on. I still like her music, I like her voice, but I question her motives in the music biz sometimes. I question her authenticity as a musician.

Interesting. I've never read the book, so I'm off to Amazon to check it out. I never knew that she claimed LLV was for real. The imagery of the song is great but it's not something I could readily associate with her personally.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by The Tower

Well, if we're gonna gush about Miz Crow then my choice would be-

"I crossed the canyon a thousand times...
But never noticed what was mine
What you'll remember of me tonight-
Well, it almost makes me cry
Yeah, it almost makes me cry!!"

That sucker is spine-tingling for me.

100%. That is Sheryl at her very, very best. Didn't Emmylou Harris provide some musical inspiration for the Difficult Kind? The way Sheryl sings it remind me of Emmylou.

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by dissention

I like Sheryl when she writes her "stream-of-consciousness" songs like You're An Original and A Change. My favorites will always be Redemption Day, Member's Only, and Riverwide (that one is haunting). Doesn't get better than that for me!

I've always loved Ordinary Morning

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by dissention

But at the same time, we had Stevie telling us for years and years that her stage persona was her and she dressed like that offstage and so on, but then she told In Style a couple of years ago that it was pretty much BS.

But at the same time, I don't question Stevie's authenticity. She is an original and I don't doubt for a second that that she is still in love with music. I don't get the sense that music is "just a job" for Stevie (even if she does go out on a GH tour this summer! I've never gotten that vibe from her. Music is in her blood, there's no escaping that for her.

With regard to Sheryl, I have to wonder each time I hear something new from her whether she's doing it for the cash cow, (you know, business as usual) or because of her love and passion for music. I get the sense from Sheryl that her music career is only a job. C'mon C'mon didn't help matters as it was so utterly uninspired. Also, I kind of hated how she rode Stevie's coattails back when they were collaborting a great deal. It's like she wanted to be associated with Stevie at all times in the hopes that some of Stevie's star juice would rub off on her. I know this sounds harsh and I don't really mean for it to, but these are things that get on my nerves about Sheryl Crow. Like I said, she's talented and I like her but she needs to get back to the music and what music means to her instead of playing airplanes!

[kak125]

As far as General Admission goes for the Chevrolet Amphitheatre they dont always do that. I have been to shows that were only general admission but when lisa marie and chris isaak came last year they had it setup with seats and everything. The only area that was general admission was the back part which would be considered the lawn area at the post gazette. So I can guarantee that when Stevie comes there it will be setup the same way.

Regarding Sheryl, I personally dont care what she does in her life as long as she keeps on putting out more music. She posted on her website that her new album is done and should be out soon. I cant wait to hear it. She is a great musician, songwriter and producer.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

But at the same time, I don't question Stevie's authenticity. She is an original and I don't doubt for a second that that she is still in love with music. I don't get the sense that music is "just a job" for Stevie (even if she does go out on a GH tour this summer! I've never gotten that vibe from her. Music is in her blood, there's no escaping that for her.

Oh, I agree. C'mon C'mon was such a blatant attempt to sell lots of records that it did make you question Sheryl's authenticity. I mean, she was supposedly depressed and didn't even want to record it while it was being made, yet you don't get many glimpses of that when you listen to it. Instead, you get pop schlock like Steve McQueen and that godawful Henley duet. It's just crap for the most part.

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

With regard to Sheryl, I have to wonder each time I hear something new from her whether she's doing it for the cash cow, (you know, business as usual) or because of her love and passion for music. I get the sense from Sheryl that her music career is only a job. C'mon C'mon didn't help matters as it was so utterly uninspired. Also, I kind of hated how she rode Stevie's coattails back when they were collaborting a great deal. It's like she wanted to be associated with Stevie at all times in the hopes that some of Stevie's star juice would rub off on her. I know this sounds harsh and I don't really mean for it to, but these are things that get on my nerves about Sheryl Crow. Like I said, she's talented and I like her but she needs to get back to the music and what music means to her instead of playing airplanes!

I don't think she rode her coattails, I think she's just a media whore and will take any exposure she can get. If she's working with another artist, she's going to milk it for all she can get out of it, that's her schtick and it's rather grating. But I also think Stevie benefitted *greatly* from it and I don't believe TISL would have been the big success it was without Sheryl's involvement.

For cripes sake, she may be a master at self-promotion, but it makes her look like such a flake. This Lance BS is already getting on my nerves. Overhaulin' on TLC? Surely you jest, Sheryl!

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by dissention

I don't believe TISL would have been the big success it was without Sheryl's involvement.

I agree completely. I'm a champion of her production of Stevie's songs.

For cripes sake, she may be a master at self-promotion, but it makes her look like such a flake. This Lance BS is already getting on my nerves. Overhaulin' on TLC? Surely you jest, Sheryl!

!!!

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally Posted by dissention

But I also think Stevie benefitted *greatly* from it and I don't believe TISL would have been the big success it was without Sheryl's involvement.

Agreed 100% Not only did Sheryl's involvment in the album give her a new sound that perhaps would not have come through with some other person in the producer role but it also gained Stevie new fans, IMO. I remember around the time TISL came out, Sheryl did a lot of press as did Stevie. Some of Sheryl's fans became Stevie's fans and some (clearly not all) of Stevie's fans became Sheryl's. All in all i'd say her relationship with Crow has been more positive rather than detrimental to Stevie and her career.

[EveryHour]

*Yawn* to a tour with Henley, IMO. My DREAM is a tour with Petty...why the HELL hasn't this happened yet???!!! It's so friggin' obvious!!! I love a lot of Henley and Eagles music, but I agree that we could expect a sky-high ticket price (what Henley charges is ridiculous, and there's a chance he could talk Stevie into charging more than ususal), and though it would be cool to see them collaborate on a couple of numbers, it's Petty who ROCKS and would spark some serious fire in Stevie! I'd much prefer to see that "influence" on Stevie's tour, as opposed to Don's which would be more intense and studious. I admire his intelligence and wit, and these aspects of him can be charming, but when it comes to bringing these things to a Stevie tour....once again, *yawn*.

Also, Insider anyone????!!!!!!!!!

[sorcerer0078]

I'm not too fussed whether Stevie Tours with Don Henley or not. Since i live in Sydney, Australia i haven't ever had the chance to see her live as a solo act (though i did see her twice in March last year when FM were in AUS)

I'm heading to Canada on a Working Holiday Visa in one months' time so *IF* she does do a tour this summer then this means i'll have a pretty good chance at seeing her *at least* once in the US

Brett

[tommer]

i feel somewhat guilty, but without a new album, and being a double bill, i don't feel motivated enough to really consider going. if i'll be able to go somewhere this summer, it's more likely that i'll go to India, my brother is there and at the moment i miss him more than i miss stevie.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

With regard to Sheryl, I have to wonder each time I hear something new from her whether she's doing it for the cash cow, (you know, business as usual) or because of her love and passion for music. I get the sense from Sheryl that her music career is only a job. C'mon C'mon didn't help matters as it was so utterly uninspired. Also, I kind of hated how she rode Stevie's coattails back when they were collaborting a great deal. It's like she wanted to be associated with Stevie at all times in the hopes that some of Stevie's star juice would rub off on her. I know this sounds harsh and I don't really mean for it to, but these are things that get on my nerves about Sheryl Crow. Like I said, she's talented and I like her but she needs to get back to the music and what music means to her instead of playing airplanes!

I totally disagree with all of this. There are many Sheryl fans who would say this exact same thing about Stevie. I don't believe she was ever riding on Stevie's coattails and I think they both complimented each other in many ways

Pip

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

Agreed 100% Not only did Sheryl's involvment in the album give her a new sound that perhaps would not have come through with some other person in the producer role but it also gained Stevie new fans, IMO. I remember around the time TISL came out, Sheryl did a lot of press as did Stevie. Some of Sheryl's fans became Stevie's fans and some (clearly not all) of Stevie's fans became Sheryl's. All in all i'd say her relationship with Crow has been more positive rather than detrimental to Stevie and her career.

Now this I agree with!

[glitter_fades]

Originally Posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon

I totally disagree with all of this. There are many Sheryl fans who would say this exact same thing about Stevie. I don't believe she was ever riding on Stevie's coattails and I think they both complimented each other in many ways

Pip

ITA.