Capital Punishment

[dissention]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

of people mentioned in the Bible are not the type of names associated with the Middle East, Which were the stories took place?

Mary (How many Middle Eastern women are named Mary?)
Joseph (Great...Jesus' Dad's name is Joe...Man, That is WAYYYYY Middle Easterner N-O-T!)

I am suprised we didnt have a Jim-Bob or Edna as names in the Bible...Just think if Jesus would have been Billy-Bob?

Brian j.

And don't forget the fact that if Jesus did exist, he wasn't white, he was black.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by dissention

How dare I not believe such preposterous and ridiculous things contained within that religion. Let me repent by renting "The Passion of the Christ."

Rent South Park's "Passion Of The Jew"...Much recommended over Mel "Goosesteppin'" Gibson's movie!

Brian "Dude...Mel Gibson is looney" j.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by dissention

And don't forget the fact that if Jesus did exist, he wasn't white, he was black.

I even think there's a passage in the Bible that even states he wasnt white with blue eyes as these narrow minded tele-evangelists believe

Jesus should return as a gangster rapper: "I'm a gonna pop a cap in yer ass be-yotch if ya ask me to walk on water again muthaf**ka"

Brian "I dont think so...Homey dont play that" j.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

Nope. Totally not kidding. My dad was able to get one because he does have diabetes among a lot of other health issues. My grandmother got one as well. Other than that, I don't know many people that were able to get them.
Here it is...

Am I to assume that you don't understand the reasoning behind this, Marissa?

Inmates in prisons live in extremely close proximity to each other and one case of influenza or any other illness or disease can spread like lightning. So, we should have prisons full of inmates with diseases and put everyone in them, including staff, at risk of catching something? I think not. And they are humans, too. Just because they're in prison, it doesn't mean that they shouldn't get healthcare.

If you want some good articles, go find the ones about healthy thirty year olds who are "furious" that they can't get a flu shot. Talk about ridiculous.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

Well, perhaps if you'd read my previous post before ripping me a new one, you'd gain some more insight on why I feel the way I do. I never said any of us were perfect but last I checked, no one here ran out and murdered someone (then again if you did, you just might have access to the internet).

The article you posted did not specify what type of prison. It may not have been a high-security prison with murderers.

Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

Did I even mention treating any criminal harshly? because I don't think I did. And if you think my opinion on why criminals shouldn't be offered flu vaccine is harsh and cruel, you ought to check out how some criminals pay their time in other countries...and we're not talking for murdering anyone either...we're talking some petty crimes. Criminals here have it made. They truly do...especially considering the circumstances that got them there. Health is taken care of, education, food, shelter, clothing...you get to perform some manual labor and work everyday.

I'd like to see you put into prison for a few years. When you get out, let me know if you had it made. And depriving prisoners of necessary flu shots, resulting in a flu epidemic, seems like harsh treatment.

[GypsySorcerer]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Wow. I agreee with that too.

Wonders never cease, right?

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

Wonders never cease, right?

There must be some kind of harmonic convergance going on.

[amber]

Originally Posted by dissention

Am I to assume that you don't understand the reasoning behind this, Marissa?

Inmates in prisons live in extremely close proximity to each other and one case of influenza or any other illness or disease can spread like lightning. So, we should have prisons full of inmates with diseases and put everyone in them, including staff, at risk of catching something? I think not. And they are humans, too. Just because they're in prison, it doesn't mean that they shouldn't get healthcare.

If you want some good articles, go find the ones about healthy thirty year olds who are "furious" that they can't get a flu shot. Talk about ridiculous.

I agree, about the flu shot, but it's weird when there are bazillions of Americans who, uh, aren't criminals that can't get healthcare, but prisoners can. It just seems wrong.

[SuzeQuze]

I was listening to Morning Sedition this morning and they had these actors/authors on who interviewed dozens of exonerated death row prisoners for a book and play. They said in all cases it took a special circumstance for the innocent to be exonerated. Either a passionate lawyer taking the appeal pro bono, a documentarian creating a movie, etc. They said the exonerated people on death row were always there because they couldn't afford proper representation, or representation that could rival the prosecution. It was really interesting, here's today's show summary:

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 23
Jessica Blank and Eric Jensen, were out of work actors who happened to attend a conference on the death penalty. It led them to write a groundbreaking play called "The Exonerated," which was just turned into a feature film. Blank and Jensen are now full-time anti-death penalty advocates and have just published "Living Justice," a memoir of their experiences.

[Miss Vicky]

As previously stated in the KFC thread:

I am in favor of the death penalty.

Think me cruel, think me heartless, think me ignorant of the realities of executions, whatever. My mind is made up.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

As previously stated in the KFC thread:

I am in favor of the death penalty.

Think me cruel, think me heartless, think me ignorant of the realities of executions, whatever. My mind is made up.

Hmm, if you had an innocent friend on death row you might think differently. I personally believe it is the easy way out for murderers.

[Miss Vicky]

Something just occured to me -

A lot of anti-death penalty people have made the argument that "studies have shown that the death penalty is not a deterrent." I wonder how those studies were conducted? How can they claim accuracy on such a study?

People have stated that those who commit or attempt to commit murder did not take the death penalty into consideration and therefore were not deterred by it. WELL NO SH*T! Obviously if they killed or tried to kill someone they were not deterred by it. On the other hand, how do we have any way of knowing how many people were deterred by it? If they were deterred by it then they did not kill or attempt to kill anybody and therefore did not draw attention to themselves for it. Are we to take a survey of everyone in America and ask "Have you ever killed or considered killing anyone? Did the existence of the death penalty in any way sway your decision?"

I'm not really trying to make an argument here, I'm merely posing the question of how these studies were conducted and how can we assure that they are accurate? It just doesn't make sense to me.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

Something just occured to me -

A lot of anti-death penalty people have made the argument that "studies have shown that the death penalty is not a deterrent." I wonder how those studies were conducted? How can they claim accuracy on such a study?

People have stated that those who commit or attempt to commit murder did not take the death penalty into consideration and therefore were not deterred by it. WELL NO SH*T! Obviously if they killed or tried to kill someone they were not deterred by it. On the other hand, how do we have any way of knowing how many people were deterred by it? If they were deterred by it then they did not kill or attempt to kill anybody and therefore did not draw attention to themselves for it. Are we to take a survey of everyone in America and ask "Have you ever killed or considered killing anyone? Did the existence of the death penalty in any way sway your decision?"

I'm not really trying to make an argument here, I'm merely posing the question of how these studies were conducted and how can we assure that they are accurate? It just doesn't make sense to me.

If you don't know how "they" could come up with data on this, then why not check out the research for yourself instead of coming up with how it might be done out of thin air?

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...cid=12&did=167

[heyjupiter678]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

If you don't know how "they" could come up with data on this, then why not check out the research for yourself instead of coming up with how it might be done out of thin air?

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...cid=12&did=167

Wow. Thanks for the link, Suze.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by Lux

Thanks for the link. This piece is not capital punishment related in itself, but they discuss a report comparing the US and 25 other industrialised countries and find this information:
The firearm-related homicide rate in the U.S. was nearly 16 times higher than in all of the other countries combined.

Combined that is and it's not at all surprising either. Where guns aren't present, people don't get shot. Well you guys all know that anyway but I still find the crime rate over there scary and so statistics such as those provided by that site fascinate me in a sadistic way.

That is fascinating and something the mainstream media here would never report. The NRA has such a stronghold it sickens me. Blech, thanks for posting this enlightening fact. No guns = no death by guns, what a novel thought.