Behind The Mask Concert Tour- 1990

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

And I love history. That's why I'm very intrigued by this episode.

I don't quite understand when Bob said "Mick owned the rights to Fleetwood Mac songs" What exactly did he own? I tried to understand these business elements so I did some research yesterday. It was fun, but I’m still confused.

In the White album CD book, all songs have the same: (©) Gentoo Music, Inc – BMI. I understand BMI is a music rights management company, and Gentoo Music is an inactive publishing company for historic music catalogs.

But since Rumours (actually I checked my 2004 CD book), Lindsey’s songs have (©) Now Sound Music (ASCAP). Christine’s songs have Careers-BMG Music Publishing Inc. (BMI) and Stevie’s songs have Welsh Witch Music- All rights administered by Sony/ATV Music Publishing. The Chain song has those three companies plus Molly Mac Musci (BMI) and Rattleman Music (BMI). No need to look for the members related to these two.

The Tusk songs feature the same companies associated with each member as on Rumours. Except Beautiful Child, who said Unichappell Music Inc (BMI) and Music for Unicef. That makes sense since Stevie donated "Beautiful Child" and all of its royalties to the UN fundraising campaign.

However I don’t know if those publishing companies’ links with each song have changed over time or depend on each release, because I found a picture of the Silver Springs vinyl record, and it has Gentoo Music/Welsh Witch Music. I suppose all the Rumours original album songs have the Gentoo Music/ along with each member's respective company, does anybody know? I don’t have an original Rumours, but in the 1992 The Chain boxset, Silver Springs (and all Rumours songs) does not have the Gentoo Music/... It has just Welsh Witch Music.

And in the Timespace CD only Beauty and the Beast and Desert Angel have the Welsh Witch Music. Why don't the other songs written by Stevie have Welsh Witch as publishing company?

Anyway, again the core question… what did Mick exactly own? If he owns Gentoo Music, was that how he prevented Silver Springs from being included on Timespace? Why did he use Rattlesnake Music for The Chain instead of Gentoo? Was it because there are/were several owners of Gentoo Music? And… How much power does the record label have over those publishing companies?

Its a really good question. I wish someone would ask her about it but its water under the bridge now. She could have re-recorded the song easy for her album. But I think she knew the magic could not be duplicated and having Silver Springs finally on an official release CD would have boosted sales. My guess is she was requesting Mick do something with the label to release it to her. Why Mick would have this power and not her is another question. But Stevie had been in the business long enough to know how things work.


Edit: This is what AI says and it makes sense

AI Mode Conversation: why did Mick Fleetwood not release Silver Springs to Stevie Nicks in 1991why did Mick Fleetwood not release Silver Springs to Stevie Nicks in 1991Mick Fleetwood refused to release "Silver Springs" to Stevie Nicks in 1991 because he was already planning to use the track for an upcoming Fleetwood Mac box set.When Nicks was preparing her 1991 solo greatest hits compilation, Timespace – The Best of Stevie Nicks, she deeply desired to include "Silver Springs," a personal masterpiece she had written about Lindsey Buckingham during the Rumours era. Because the song had been cut from the 1977 album and relegated to the B-side of "Go Your Own Way," Nicks felt the track belonged to her and her family.However, Mick Fleetwood held the rights to the song as a band asset. He denied her request based on two primary factors:The 25th Anniversary Box Set: Fleetwood was actively compiling the band's comprehensive retrospective, 25 Years – The Chain, which was slated for a 1992 release.High Commercial Value: Because "Silver Springs" had never appeared on a proper Fleetwood Mac studio album, Fleetwood knew it was a rare, highly sought-after track that would serve as a major selling point and exclusive anchor for the band's box set.This copyright and creative tug-of-war became a breaking point for Nicks. She issued an ultimatum through Fleetwood's manager, warning that if she didn't get the tapes, she would leave the band. Fleetwood stood his ground, the song went onto The Chain box set, and true to her word, Nicks quit Fleetwood Mac later that year, not returning until their famous 1997 reunion for The Dance.


So they both wanted it for the same reason $$$$$. Mick held the song as an asset since it was not a Rumours track. Clearly Mick had sour grapes about her leaving and was trying to milk every dime out of the 25th anniversary box set. I will side with Stevie on this one even though looking back it was better saved for The Dance. Stevie committed to tour around the world even though the album BTM was not very successful in the States. After the tour resumed with Chris again, Mick created more European dates because it was already announced that Chris and Stevie were leaving at the end of the tour (at least for touring). Stevie made sacrifices for Mick many times including not taking her own management's advice to leave the band after Lindsey did. Timespace got majorly delayed because of the BTM tour postponement where they toured into December 1990. Mick was being his greedy self thinking grab as much money because the big touring days were over (at least at this time).

[Villavic]

It makes perfect sense the reason had to do with the 1992 box set. I’m sure that’s why Stevie’s words on that album had that kind of sarcastic touch.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

It makes perfect sense the reason had to do with the 1992 box set. I’m sure that’s why Stevie’s words on that album had that kind of sarcastic touch.

If you could rearrange timing in Stevie's career Timespace could have been huge. Instead of coming post OSOTM and BTM which both struggled to go gold, imagine Timespace being released early 1989 when Bon Jovi and Poison were ruling the charts. Sometimes Its A Bitch would have charted but I bet Mick would have given Stevie Silver Springs on the album.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Villavic

It makes perfect sense the reason had to do with the 1992 box set. I’m sure that’s why Stevie’s words on that album had that kind of sarcastic touch.

Fairly certain Albatross was also #1.

She's a self absorbed twit.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Fairly certain Albatross was also #1.

Yes, in UK. And Go Your Own Way reached No. 1 in the Netherlands and Belgium. As Everywhere in Belgium.

But I think those words were meant to tell Mick, "Look what you missed out on by not giving me my song". However I find it very unlikely that Fleetwood Mac could have scored a number-one hit with a song of hers in the 90s. Too late Stevie.

But even though they may have been bitter words directed at Mick, she was being so mononeural in not caring what Lindsey and Christine thought. In any case, I don't think Lindsey cared. And Christine might have laughed when reading it and thinking about how many singles she produced versus how many Stevie did. In any case, I don't think it was the best quote to include in the box set.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

Yes, in UK. And Go Your Own Way reached No. 1 in the Netherlands and Belgium. As Everywhere in Belgium.

But I think those words were meant to tell Mick, "Look what you missed out on by not giving me my song". However I find it very unlikely that Fleetwood Mac could have scored a number-one hit with a song of hers in the 90s. Too late Stevie.

But even though they may have been bitter words directed at Mick, she was being so mononeural in not caring what Lindsey and Christine thought. In any case, I don't think Lindsey cared. And Christine might have laughed when reading it and thinking about how many singles she produced versus how many Stevie did. In any case, I don't think it was the best quote to include in the box set.

This interview was posted here before a few times. But I love this era. Stevie is on tour with Street Angel. The host asks "how is the tour going?" Her response is about shows being cancelled because of a "tornado." She then talks about how thankful she is not to be in Fleetwood Mac anymore because she would not be able to enjoy the tour. She alleges the band would be upset and waiting for her. Songwriting is brought up near the end and Stevie says that Chris wrote most of the hits because Chris's song writing is "wilting" and her songs are not. That is a negative adjective that describes a plant without water. Rick Vito tries to bail her out and asks who wrote Fleetwood Mac's only #1 song? The dumb DJ asks "what song was that." Stevie sounds nervous in this interview, and you can tell she is unhappy. I love the bitter Stevie era

On another note I have read it was not a tornado that cancelled her show but a stalker that was traveling around trying to meet her. Her solo album tanked, her single never charted, she was without Fleetwood Mac, people were making fun of her weight, and ticket sales were poor. I was living in West Palm Beach at the time and ticket sales never went on sale but she was just going to announce but it was cancelled 2 shows at the Kravis center in downtown. Its a small theater.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFKtaDZyUBU

[SteveMacD]

Warner reissued “Silver Springs” in 1988 as the b-side to “Don’t Stop”in its Back-To-Back Hits series and thus owned the releasing rights until 1998. Labels only lose their releasing rights if a work goes out of print for over ten years.

So, I don’t think Mick could have just let her have that version of the song. Still, she was free to just rerecord the song, and she knows this. It’s not like she and Lindsey didn’t rerecord “Crystal” with Fleetwood Mac.