Behind The Mask Concert Tour- 1990

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

According to some sources, today sep. 12 in 1990 Christine and Stevie announced they were leaving Fleetwood Mac.

12 Sep 1990
Stevie Nicks and Christine McVie from Fleetwood Mac announced they were leaving the band at the end of their current tour. At the time, some believed that Nicks’ and McVie’s departures were hastened by bad blood in the wake of Fleetwood’s memoir, Fleetwood: My Life and Adventures in Fleetwood Mac Fleetwood Mac.

That would make sense with the timing. The tour was just about to resume back in the states after Chris needed time off and some added European dates. My July concert had been cancelled but they made up the date in November. It was sad seeing things come to an end (supposedly). They even renamed the tour the "Farewell Tour" based on this press release.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Grunge killed off the classic rock stars,

Neil Young would beg to differ.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Neil Young would beg to differ.

A southern man don't need him around, any how...


I actually met him(at sound check) working security at one of his concerts. I was 19. He walked up and started talking to me, and I was having a heart attack, that Neil Young was having a conversation with me(talking about how bad the acoustics are, at Indiana University's Assembly Hall). He was very nice.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by BLY

Me too…..I couldn’t agree more. My new #1 band has been Little Big Town. “ The Country Fleetwood Mac “ ( per Kelly Clarkson) Every album they release is better than the last one (IMO)

No one will ever replace FM in my life, ALTHOUGH the Eagles have always been neck and neck with them(but I didn't follow their personalities- because Don and Glenn have none, like I did with FM).

Diamond Rio has always been my favorite. Fantastic harmonies, and top notch musicianship.

[Villavic]

By the mid 90s I also read—though I don't recall where—that Christine and Stevie stepped away from touring but would still agree to collaborate on Mac albums. However, when Mick (supposedly) wouldn't let Stevie include Silver Springs on Timespace, that was the "last straw" for her, and at that moment she wanted nothing more to do with Fleetwood Mac. That’s how the Time lineup came to be formed later on.

I say "supposedly" because I also read somewhere that it was actually Warner that didn't authorize Silver Springs to appear on a Modern Records release. And Mick couldn´t do anything. Don´t know if that was true.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

No one will ever replace FM in my life, ALTHOUGH the Eagles have always been neck and neck with them(but I didn't follow their personalities- because Don and Glenn have none, like I did with FM).

I read an unauthorized Eagles bio (don't worry it wasn't written by Mick) long ago, late 90s I guess. I don´t remember so much about it, but I do remember that's how I learned Linda Ronstadt helped them in their first days.

But the documentary that used to be in Netflix was much more interesting. I watched it lot of times.

[BLY]

[QUOTE=HomerMcvie;1306597]No one will ever replace FM in my life, ALTHOUGH the Eagles have always been neck and neck with them(but I didn't follow their personalities- because Don and Glenn have none, like I did with FM).

Fleetwood Mac will always be my # 1 but LBT is happening!

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by Villavic

By the mid 90s I also read—though I don't recall where—that Christine and Stevie stepped away from touring but would still agree to collaborate on Mac albums. However, when Mick (supposedly) wouldn't let Stevie include Silver Springs on Timespace, that was the "last straw" for her, and at that moment she wanted nothing more to do with Fleetwood Mac. That’s how the Time lineup came to be formed later on.

I say "supposedly" because I also read somewhere that it was actually Warner that didn't authorize Silver Springs to appear on a Modern Records release. And Mick couldn´t do anything. Don´t know if that was true.

But just blaming mick without telling the whole truth about the record company's refusal to authorize it would be so out of character for stevie..!



--Lis

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

But he did make Stevie seem like an idiot a few times outing her for falling off the stage on the RAL tour and taking microdot acid and could not stop laughing trying to find Mick and the airport, and threatening the band making Tango about going to Rolling Stone. True the affair was the most revealing but Stevie got spooked at the book because she asked Mick directly "what's in it?" She knew that he could of had the greatest tell all of all time. He just leaked a few juicy ones. She threatened to sue him.

Oh, she's so dramatic. He's allowed to have a chuckle at some of her little screw ups. and i'm sure he had tons more he could have put in the book that he left out... but that's why he didn't want to let anyone see the book before it came out-- because everyone would have little tidbits they might object to and get ticked off about.

--Lis

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Villavic

I read an unauthorized Eagles bio (don't worry it wasn't written by Mick) long ago, late 90s I guess. I don´t remember so much about it, but I do remember that's how I learned Linda Ronstadt helped them in their first days.

We all know how you love to quote the books...

But the documentary that used to be in Netflix was much more interesting. I watched it lot of times.

Are you talking about Felder's book? I have it, and even won a second copy of it on an Eagles fan page(and turned around and sold the second copy- since it was no longer available).

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Are you talking about Felder's book? I have it, and even won a second copy of it on an Eagles fan page(and turned around and sold the second copy- since it was no longer available).

No, the author was not an Eagles member, and I bought it in the 90s.

[sleepless child]

I listened to a podcast with Dennis Dunston a few years ago. He said Stevie wasn't mad about the book. They just made it seem that way for the publicity. How true that is who knows. I think Chris was ready for a break. Without Lindsey, it is not the same band. And Stevie said she and Chris made a pact, but I don't believe that one too much. I think she felt it wasn't the same without Lindsey also. I'm sure her management encouraged her to leave FM and do more for her solo career. Of course the Kolonopin addiction didn't help things either.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by Villavic

I say "supposedly" because I also read somewhere that it was actually Warner that didn't authorize Silver Springs to appear on a Modern Records release. And Mick couldn´t do anything. Don´t know if that was true.

It is in Bob's book where I read that. But he didn't include the source.

Why did Stevie and Christine decide to leave the band? Certainly they felt outraged at Mick’s revelations contained in his autobiography published in 1990. Nicks felt particularly aggrieved with regard to his “kiss’n’tell” account of their earlier affair. She also wanted to pursue her solo career. Nicks had always been the most commercial successful of the five as a solo performer. As a prolific and talented songwriter, she had often found it terribly frustrating that only two or three of her songs ever appeared on Mac albums.

Christine was simply tired of the madness which seemed to have surrounded the Mac for the previous two decades. After all, John would wryly comment that “the only two people in this band who haven’t had an affair are Mick and me!” Although Mick would put up a brave front to the press, claiming that Fleetwood Mac had not really broken up, but were merely “taking a break”, few believed him. After all, the true architects of the band’s success from the mid-Seventies onwards had been the writers: Nicks, Christine McVie and the departed Buckingham. John and Mick rightly prided themselves on their respective roles within the band. Their resilience and stamina had kept the often-beleaguered group afloat for years, but neither of them claimed to be any more than highly efficient members of one of the best rhythm sections in the world. They needed talented singers and writers if Fleetwood Mac were to survive.

All Mac members retreated into solo mode, with varying degrees of success. Fleetwood Mac would be placed on hold for a while. Stevie Nicks’ estrangement intensified when, to her fury, Mick Fleetwood would not allow her to place her beautiful song ‘Silver Springs’ on the Greatest Hits package she was carefully compiling (Timespace — The Best Of Stevie Nicks). It wasn’t quite his fault. Mick, who owned the rights to Fleetwood Mac songs, had signed a deal with Warner Brothers, who would not give permission for ‘Springs’ to be released on another record label. Stevie dramatically announced that she would never again have anything whatsoever to do with Fleetwood Mac.

Mick Fleetwood reluctantly resigned himself to the loss of the two major players in the Fleetwood Mac organization, and started to do what he had always done best. Pick himself up, and look to the future. Just to add to Fleetwood Mac’s problems, Rick Vito also left the band. Good old musical differences were cited. Only Billy Burnette remained from the Behind The Mask line-up.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

It is in Bob's book where I read that. But he didn't include the source.

Why did Stevie and Christine decide to leave the band? Certainly they felt outraged at Mick’s revelations contained in his autobiography published in 1990. Nicks felt particularly aggrieved with regard to his “kiss’n’tell” account of their earlier affair. She also wanted to pursue her solo career. Nicks had always been the most commercial successful of the five as a solo performer. As a prolific and talented songwriter, she had often found it terribly frustrating that only two or three of her songs ever appeared on Mac albums.

Christine was simply tired of the madness which seemed to have surrounded the Mac for the previous two decades. After all, John would wryly comment that “the only two people in this band who haven’t had an affair are Mick and me!” Although Mick would put up a brave front to the press, claiming that Fleetwood Mac had not really broken up, but were merely “taking a break”, few believed him. After all, the true architects of the band’s success from the mid-Seventies onwards had been the writers: Nicks, Christine McVie and the departed Buckingham. John and Mick rightly prided themselves on their respective roles within the band. Their resilience and stamina had kept the often-beleaguered group afloat for years, but neither of them claimed to be any more than highly efficient members of one of the best rhythm sections in the world. They needed talented singers and writers if Fleetwood Mac were to survive.

All Mac members retreated into solo mode, with varying degrees of success. Fleetwood Mac would be placed on hold for a while. Stevie Nicks’ estrangement intensified when, to her fury, Mick Fleetwood would not allow her to place her beautiful song ‘Silver Springs’ on the Greatest Hits package she was carefully compiling (Timespace — The Best Of Stevie Nicks). It wasn’t quite his fault. Mick, who owned the rights to Fleetwood Mac songs, had signed a deal with Warner Brothers, who would not give permission for ‘Springs’ to be released on another record label. Stevie dramatically announced that she would never again have anything whatsoever to do with Fleetwood Mac.

Mick Fleetwood reluctantly resigned himself to the loss of the two major players in the Fleetwood Mac organization, and started to do what he had always done best. Pick himself up, and look to the future. Just to add to Fleetwood Mac’s problems, Rick Vito also left the band. Good old musical differences were cited. Only Billy Burnette remained from the Behind The Mask line-up.

Maybe I am reading between the lines but its possible Mick could have changed something to allow Warner to release the song. She alleges he was avoiding her and had to contact Dennis to get him to call her. When does Mick ever ignore Stevie's calls? It was a brief but wild era. Personally I loved the Mick vs Stevie cat fight. To have been a fly on the wall.

[Villavic]

And I love history. That's why I'm very intrigued by this episode.

I don't quite understand when Bob said "Mick owned the rights to Fleetwood Mac songs" What exactly did he own? I tried to understand these business elements so I did some research yesterday. It was fun, but I’m still confused.

In the White album CD book, all songs have the same: (©) Gentoo Music, Inc – BMI. I understand BMI is a music rights management company, and Gentoo Music is an inactive publishing company for historic music catalogs.

But since Rumours (actually I checked my 2004 CD book), Lindsey’s songs have (©) Now Sound Music (ASCAP). Christine’s songs have Careers-BMG Music Publishing Inc. (BMI) and Stevie’s songs have Welsh Witch Music- All rights administered by Sony/ATV Music Publishing. The Chain song has those three companies plus Molly Mac Musci (BMI) and Rattleman Music (BMI). No need to look for the members related to these two.

The Tusk songs feature the same companies associated with each member as on Rumours. Except Beautiful Child, who said Unichappell Music Inc (BMI) and Music for Unicef. That makes sense since Stevie donated "Beautiful Child" and all of its royalties to the UN fundraising campaign.

However I don’t know if those publishing companies’ links with each song have changed over time or depend on each release, because I found a picture of the Silver Springs vinyl record, and it has Gentoo Music/Welsh Witch Music. I suppose all the Rumours original album songs have the Gentoo Music/ along with each member's respective company, does anybody know? I don’t have an original Rumours, but in the 1992 The Chain boxset, Silver Springs (and all Rumours songs) does not have the Gentoo Music/... It has just Welsh Witch Music.

And in the Timespace CD only Beauty and the Beast and Desert Angel have the Welsh Witch Music. Why don't the other songs written by Stevie have Welsh Witch as publishing company?

Anyway, again the core question… what did Mick exactly own? If he owns Gentoo Music, was that how he prevented Silver Springs from being included on Timespace? Why did he use Rattlesnake Music for The Chain instead of Gentoo? Was it because there are/were several owners of Gentoo Music? And… How much power does the record label have over those publishing companies?