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[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

And just after those two studio albums, they release a GH vol 2. I bought that album when I was just starting to like Eagles beyond the HC song and didn't know their entire discography. But then I found nonsense that a new GH volume appeared after just 2 albums, but then I learned they had broke u... sorry, they had taken a 14 year vacation.

One thing I hate in GHs is that some songs are cut off, shortened, etc. Like Queen's Under Pressure or Pat Benatar's We Belong (I bought the Best Shots CD).

Those were monster albums. The Eagles Long Run was not as daring as Tusk but it did have a more modern sound. But unlike Fleetwood Mac, their follow up from the Epic Hotel California also went to #1 and stayed their longer than Hotel California but they sold approximately the same which was a huge success. I was surprised to recently learn that In The City was never a single released from The Long Run. It became its own rock radio hit in the same way The Chain or Gold Dust Woman became a hit off Rumours without being released as a single.
We got The Eagles Greatest hits volume 1 from Columbia House record club in the 1970s. It was one of the 7 albums our family could pick for 1 cent.
Speaking of editing the songs. Correct me if I am wrong but when Tusk was released on CD they edited Sara. When it was placed on Greatest Hits the full song made the CD. I can remember Stevie discussing this on Rockline promoting the Greatest Hits. So Greatest Hits had the first CD full version of Sara.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Correct me if I am wrong but when Tusk was released on CD they edited Sara.

That's right. Dissapointed is not the word that described me at the time. I was furious. Despite my knowledge of IT storage mgt, my emotional intelligence failed me, and I couldn't accept that the technology was incapable of fitting the full-length songs onto that digital device.

I remember looking at the back of the CD case and seeing "Sara (edit)" at the store; I assumed it meant a slight different mix, which only piqued my curiosity further. Silly me. I never bought the green GH CD, so it was thanks to the 25 Years The Chain box set that I was able to get a full digital version of Sara (which means I bought The Very Best Of just because of ALAYF).

[HomerMcvie]

It's funny...80 minutes is 80 minutes, is 80 minutes...

No amount of Stevie Nicks' witchcraftery dreaming can alter physics.

[Street_Dreamer]

I wonder how much the CD sales of Tusk would have been affected had it been released as a two-disc set to accommodate the full-length version of Sara?

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

It's funny...80 minutes is 80 minutes, is 80 minutes...

No amount of Stevie Nicks' witchcraftery dreaming can alter physics.

Stevie must be on vacation in Salem at that moment, but it didn't matter cause I don't have my CD right now but all sources say the album Tusk lasts no more than 74 minutes.

Originally Posted by Street_Dreamer

I wonder how much the CD sales of Tusk would have been affected had it been released as a two-disc set to accommodate the full-length version of Sara?

That was part of the questions that came up during my tantrum. I don't know if they conducted a market research to determine they wouldn't break even if it were a 2-cd, or they just didn't take the risk. But how the band aproved the cut to Sara??? And why that song? Remember Stevie said in the Classic Album Rumours doc that she is very touchy about shortening her songs (about SS). And if she said that, it must be an absolute truth, because she never contradicts herself. So in this case did she know about the shortening before the release? Was it a label decision? Did they consult any member? If I had to choose I'd cut some Lindsey song from those I don't like enough, but all Lindsey's are very short to be reduced. And the three longest Tusk songs are Stevie's, so there wasn't much to choose from, but in that case, I would have shortened Beautiful Child, not Sara.

Of course, the company surely chose Sara thinking that fans would feel forced to buy a later compilation containing the full version of Sara. They would be more likely to do that than for Beautiful Child.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Villavic

Stevie must be on vacation in Salem at that moment, but it didn't matter cause I don't have my CD right now but all sources say the album Tusk lasts no more than 74 minutes.



That was part of the questions that came up during my tantrum. I don't know if they conducted a market research to determine they wouldn't break even if it were a 2-cd, or they just didn't take the risk. But how the band aproved the cut to Sara??? And why that song? Remember Stevie said in the Classic Album Rumours doc that she is very touchy about shortening her songs (about SS). And if she said that, it must be an absolute truth, because she never contradicts herself. So in this case did she know about the shortening before the release? Was it a label decision? Did they consult any member? If I had to choose I'd cut some Lindsey song from those I don't like enough, but all Lindsey's are very short to be reduced. And the three longest Tusk songs are Stevie's, so there wasn't much to choose from, but in that case, I would have shortened Beautiful Child, not Sara.

Of course, the company surely chose Sara thinking that fans would feel forced to buy a later compilation containing the full version of Sara. They would be more likely to do that than for Beautiful Child.

It got bigger over time(that's what she said).(I screenshot the info, but it's too large, and I'm not dikcing with it)

It was probably the longest song, which is why it suffered the fate.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

Stevie must be on vacation in Salem at that moment, but it didn't matter cause I don't have my CD right now but all sources say the album Tusk lasts no more than 74 minutes.



That was part of the questions that came up during my tantrum. I don't know if they conducted a market research to determine they wouldn't break even if it were a 2-cd, or they just didn't take the risk. But how the band aproved the cut to Sara??? And why that song? Remember Stevie said in the Classic Album Rumours doc that she is very touchy about shortening her songs (about SS). And if she said that, it must be an absolute truth, because she never contradicts herself. So in this case did she know about the shortening before the release? Was it a label decision? Did they consult any member? If I had to choose I'd cut some Lindsey song from those I don't like enough, but all Lindsey's are very short to be reduced. And the three longest Tusk songs are Stevie's, so there wasn't much to choose from, but in that case, I would have shortened Beautiful Child, not Sara.

Of course, the company surely chose Sara thinking that fans would feel forced to buy a later compilation containing the full version of Sara. They would be more likely to do that than for Beautiful Child.

Honestly I bet most people did not even notice. I was very late replacing albums and tapes with CDs but remember Stevie's outage on Rockline during the Greatest Hits promotion. That brought it on the radar for me because they said it contained the full version of Sara. The core fans noticed. Was there ever a single version of Sara which was shorter than the album?
Why is it always poor Stevie that gets the short end of the stick. They could have eliminated The Ledge and kept the full version of Sara

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Honestly I bet most people did not even notice. I was very late replacing albums and tapes with CDs but remember Stevie's outage on Rockline during the Greatest Hits promotion. That brought it on the radar for me because they said it contained the full version of Sara. The core fans noticed. Was there ever a single version of Sara which was shorter than the album?
Why is it always poor Stevie that gets the short end of the stick. They could have eliminated The Ledge and kept the full version of Sara

Yes. There was a single version that was 4 mins and something.

But the full version was always on the original Tusk (vinyl) album.

ETA: the single version, 4:37 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCL1FsLL5Oo
The edit is at 2:41

Is this the same shortened version that got on the CD?

[Villavic]

But speaking of long versions, besides the 3/10/79 version that lasts 8:49 that came in the Deluxe edition, I got a 10:45 minute "Sara Remastered Demo" that I can't remember how I got it. It's most likely that someone here shared it many many years ago. It really has a demo sound, not much a remastered track, but it is cool to listening to it from time to time.

That reminds me again of when Stevie said she was very touchy about having her songs shortened. So, was she upset too because the vinyl album version was only 6:26 long?

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

But speaking of long versions, besides the 3/10/79 version that lasts 8:49 that came in the Deluxe edition, I got a 10:45 minute "Sara Remastered Demo" that I can't remember how I got it. It's most likely that someone here shared it many many years ago. It really has a demo sound, not much a remastered track, but it is cool to listening to it from time to time.

That reminds me again of when Stevie said she was very touchy about having her songs shortened. So, was she upset too because the vinyl album version was only 6:26 long?

Would you shorten Bob Dylan songs?

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Would you shorten Bob Dylan songs?

I can't even stand Donna Summer's single versions. If I want to listen to Love to Love You Baby, it has to be the 16:48 album version . Same with I Feel Love, Could It Be Magic, etc. Even with "MacArthur Park, though actually thats a "suite" of three songs, but I love it.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

I can't even stand Donna Summer's single versions. If I want to listen to Love to Love You Baby, it has to be the 16:48 album version . Same with I Feel Love, Could It Be Magic, etc. Even with "MacArthur Park, though actually thats a "suite" of three songs, but I love it.

There are even radio stations that edit songs to make more room for advertising money. The local classic rock station near me edits Edge of 17. Makes me mental because its not that long of a song. They edit like 15 seconds and remove an entire verse. I am sure they do it to other songs but I notice on this one the most.
I belong to a classic sitcom message board and that is the #1 complaint over there too how TV stations edit sitcoms to make room for more commercials from their original broadcast. So many jokes are edited out it makes you nuts. Its really sad we cant have nice things because everyone wants to make more and more money.