Lindsey reacts to Tusk

[Macfan4life]

That's a really interesting take that I never thought about before. Lindsey was taking a swipe at Stevie's cheating rather than taking a swipe at her always just wanting sex with him. That could explain why it came so late in the song. Their relationship was over and he knew she played the field.

Oh please Lindsey remember!!!

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by David

As she put it, “I had to make a decision.” It was destiny, then, to return to LA and continue the struggles.

Well, if I apply the butterfly effect theory, if she had changed her destiny, I think about everything I would have saved by not spending on those trips, not counting all the tshirts, posters, records, originals, expanded, deluxe, etc.

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

That's a really interesting take that I never thought about before. Lindsey was taking a swipe at Stevie's cheating rather than taking a swipe at her always just wanting sex with him. That could explain why it came so late in the song. Their relationship was over and he knew she played the field.

Oh please Lindsey remember!!!

Maybe, technically, neither of the two cheated.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Villavic

Maybe, technically, neither of the two cheated.

Sh1t! I'll bet you that she's slept with FIVE TIMES the number of people that he has. If not higher than that.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by Villavic

That's how "Tusk" was recorded. The title refers to a jocular term of affection for the Male Member: old habits die hard in Fleetwood Mac. When Stevie heard that we had decided to name the album Tusk, she threatened to quit the band in revulsion. But I chose to ignore her and nothing ever came of it.

I'm sure Stevie remembers the title meaning, too. But she prefers to give it another connotation, as demonstrated in this 2025 interview.

“And again, we were having serious relationship problems during Tusk, but when we went into that studio and saw those tusks, and all the amazing stuff we collected and brought in every day, we became part of a world that was fantastic.”

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/fleetwo...d-of-its-time/

[anusha]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

What i DID hear from a very good source was that stevie was prob in bed w mike campbell. After tom died, she wanted him in the band and knew that wasn't gonna happen with lindsey still there. and she was plotting that months before the musicares "smirk" fiasco. there was no smirk. she was just sick of LB.

--Lis

100% I think that once Tom Petty died, Stevie very much wanted to have Mike Campbell in the band. She had worked with him (and other members of the Heartbreakers) for many years on demos and solo projects.

I've spouted this theory before but I think a few things happened -- first, The Eagles had a lot of success with Vince Gill, and there was little backlash on them replacing members who had passed away or left. They are also managed by Stevie's manager, Irving Azoff, so I'm sure both of them felt like this would be a workable move.

Second, Lindsey pissed off Azoff by implying that The Classic music festival was a cash grab (it was, I paid, it was good), and pissed off Stevie by (1) making Buckingham McVie and (2) existing as himself, i.e. someone who did not worship her as an icon and didn't defer to her as the cash cow (ahem, Mick).

I think she and Azoff went forward on firing Lindsey (and sold it to Mick, John and Christine) because they felt like it would not affect the bottom line if they were able to recruit known musicians to tour with them like Mike Campbell and Neil Finn. I think Stevie would have fired Lindsey after Say You Will if she could have, but was stuck with him for money until The Eagles proved that you could continue without original members and still make a ton of money touring.

And she couldn't handle the backlash.

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by anusha

100% I think that once Tom Petty died, Stevie very much wanted to have Mike Campbell in the band. She had worked with him (and other members of the Heartbreakers) for many years on demos and solo projects.

I've spouted this theory before but I think a few things happened -- first, The Eagles had a lot of success with Vince Gill, and there was little backlash on them replacing members who had passed away or left. They are also managed by Stevie's manager, Irving Azoff, so I'm sure both of them felt like this would be a workable move.

Second, Lindsey pissed off Azoff by implying that The Classic music festival was a cash grab (it was, I paid, it was good), and pissed off Stevie by (1) making Buckingham McVie and (2) existing as himself, i.e. someone who did not worship her as an icon and didn't defer to her as the cash cow (ahem, Mick).

I think she and Azoff went forward on firing Lindsey (and sold it to Mick, John and Christine) because they felt like it would not affect the bottom line if they were able to recruit known musicians to tour with them like Mike Campbell and Neil Finn. I think Stevie would have fired Lindsey after Say You Will if she could have, but was stuck with him for money until The Eagles proved that you could continue without original members and still make a ton of money touring.

And she couldn't handle the backlash.

That's prob true about Azoff seeing the success the Eagles had w bringing in new people. But I still can't understand though why Stevie would be pissed that Lindsey worked with Chris when they had wanted her there as well, and she refused. If the queen says no, all creative activity must come to a halt? imo she had no right to angry if she passed on the invitation. I guess she was just pissy that all 4 of them went ahead so gung-ho and didn't bend the knee to her refusal.

From what I heard, J&C were not sold on the idea at all, but by then it didn't really matter. With Mick and Azoff backing her, that was enough for her to know it was all gonna go her way eventually. It was just a matter of time. but to then use that smirk story... ugh.

and she deserved the backlash. she made her bed...

--Lis

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by sue

I always thought the line..Packing up, shacking up is all you wanna do..
Refers to Stevie..…wanting to break up (pack up), and then shacking up with whoever.

Lindsey and Stevie had been in a long term relationship so to me “shacking up” doesn’t refer to them…..no matter if they were at it like rabbits .
A long term relationship isn’t shacking up.

So imo he is referring to her with other men.
And that’s why she doesn’t like the line..

“I wasn’t in a shacking mood with anyone” didn’t she say.

She has said in numerous interviews "I wasn't shaking up with ANYONE when I was with him"

So yeah I've always taken it that he was accusing her of cheating.

She herself did say she's cheated on people...recall when Kristen Stewart was getting crapped on in the press for cheating on Robert Pattinson she publicly came out in support of Kristen and said, and I quote, "I've cheated and been forgiven a couple of times" and therefore **** happens and Kristen should be forgiven.

Stevie never named who she cheated on, and sure I could be wrong,but I always assumed one of the people she cheated on was Lindsey.

As for her not wanting to "shack up" as in just have sex with LB, his line in Second Hand News which he has explained in various interviews "when times go bad/when times go rough/won't you lay me down in the tall grass/and let me do my stuff" was specifically about hey if you ever get lonely or whatever call me and I'll come over. (find his interview with Dan Rather about it for one instance). So he was always open to hooking up with her over those years and it would seem she was sometimes open to it too if all the stories are to be believed. Now, she is super fussy about her IMAGE and not wanting to seem like an easy woman so she pretends or gets coy about a lot of stuff but.....she's only kidding herself. And btw, I could care less how many people she or any of them have slept with. They're adults and none of it matters.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

That's prob true about Azoff seeing the success the Eagles had w bringing in new people. But I still can't understand though why Stevie would be pissed that Lindsey worked with Chris when they had wanted her there as well, and she refused. If the queen says no, all creative activity must come to a halt? imo she had no right to angry if she passed on the invitation. I guess she was just pissy that all 4 of them went ahead so gung-ho and didn't bend the knee to her refusal.

From what I heard, J&C were not sold on the idea at all, but by then it didn't really matter. With Mick and Azoff backing her, that was enough for her to know it was all gonna go her way eventually. It was just a matter of time. but to then use that smirk story... ugh.

and she deserved the backlash. she made her bed...

--Lis

Yep and Yep.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by anusha

100% I think that once Tom Petty died, Stevie very much wanted to have Mike Campbell in the band. She had worked with him (and other members of the Heartbreakers) for many years on demos and solo projects.

I've spouted this theory before but I think a few things happened -- first, The Eagles had a lot of success with Vince Gill, and there was little backlash on them replacing members who had passed away or left. They are also managed by Stevie's manager, Irving Azoff, so I'm sure both of them felt like this would be a workable move.

Second, Lindsey pissed off Azoff by implying that The Classic music festival was a cash grab (it was, I paid, it was good), and pissed off Stevie by (1) making Buckingham McVie and (2) existing as himself, i.e. someone who did not worship her as an icon and didn't defer to her as the cash cow (ahem, Mick).

I think she and Azoff went forward on firing Lindsey (and sold it to Mick, John and Christine) because they felt like it would not affect the bottom line if they were able to recruit known musicians to tour with them like Mike Campbell and Neil Finn. I think Stevie would have fired Lindsey after Say You Will if she could have, but was stuck with him for money until The Eagles proved that you could continue without original members and still make a ton of money touring.

And she couldn't handle the backlash.

I agree with you on all this.

And the Azoff stuff makes me still bang my head against the wall trying to figure Lindsey's logic in having him as his personal manager. Did he think having Irving "on side" would somehow mitigate things? What a bad judge of character.

[HomerMcvie]

You know what? Even though I'm 100% Team Felder with the Eagles, you CAN get away with firing Felder. YOU CANNOT GET AWAY WITH FIRING LINDSEY MOTHER FUKCING BUCKINGHAM FROM FM. Felder was an important part of the Eagles. Lindsey was THE MOTHER FUKCING REASON THEY WERE SUPERSTARS.

I hate stupid fukcing Stevie god damned Nicks, and her little fukcing skanky ho a$$,too. She's a fukcing moron, and the worst thing that ever happened to FM. Terminal cooter itch is too good for her.

How 'bout dem Cubs?

[Street_Dreamer]

She's THE reason why we didn't get a proper send-off with the Rumours lineup... and really we never got a proper send-off of any of the lineups of Fleetwood Mac... sad.

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

You know what? Even though I'm 100% Team Felder with the Eagles, you CAN get away with firing Felder. YOU CANNOT GET AWAY WITH FIRING LINDSEY MOTHER FUKCING BUCKINGHAM FROM FM. Felder was an important part of the Eagles. Lindsey was THE MOTHER FUKCING REASON THEY WERE SUPERSTARS.

I hate stupid fukcing Stevie god damned Nicks, and her little fukcing skanky ho a$$,too. She's a fukcing moron, and the worst thing that ever happened to FM. Terminal cooter itch is too good for her.

How 'bout dem Cubs?

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

She has said in numerous interviews "I wasn't shaking up with ANYONE when I was with him"

So yeah I've always taken it that he was accusing her of cheating.

She herself did say she's cheated on people...recall when Kristen Stewart was getting crapped on in the press for cheating on Robert Pattinson she publicly came out in support of Kristen and said, and I quote, "I've cheated and been forgiven a couple of times" and therefore **** happens and Kristen should be forgiven.

Stevie never named who she cheated on, and sure I could be wrong,but I always assumed one of the people she cheated on was Lindsey.

As for her not wanting to "shack up" as in just have sex with LB, his line in Second Hand News which he has explained in various interviews "when times go bad/when times go rough/won't you lay me down in the tall grass/and let me do my stuff" was specifically about hey if you ever get lonely or whatever call me and I'll come over. (find his interview with Dan Rather about it for one instance). So he was always open to hooking up with her over those years and it would seem she was sometimes open to it too if all the stories are to be believed. Now, she is super fussy about her IMAGE and not wanting to seem like an easy woman so she pretends or gets coy about a lot of stuff but.....she's only kidding herself. And btw, I could care less how many people she or any of them have slept with. They're adults and none of it matters.

Stevie never cheated on anyone
She was a married woman in January 1983 and by summer she was sleeping with her opening act.

How dare she! (Nightmare reference for those playing at home)

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

And the Azoff stuff makes me still bang my head against the wall trying to figure Lindsey's logic in having him as his personal manager. Did he think having Irving "on side" would somehow mitigate things? What a bad judge of character.

I've always wondered the same thing. I read "Buckingham officially signed with Azoff’s company around 2010–2011".

What were the conditions, the situation in those years that led Lindsey to hire him as his manager? " In 2010, Ticketmaster merged with Live Nation, making Irving Azoff the Chairman of Live Nation by 2011. As part of this massive infrastructure, Azoff oversaw Front Line Management, which already handled individual members of Fleetwood Mac. Around 2011, Buckingham decided to release his sixth solo studio album, Seeds We Sow, independently. To guide his solo career through this transition, he officially brought on Irving Azoff and Tom Consolo as his personal managers. While different members of Fleetwood Mac historically used different representation (for instance, Stevie Nicks was long-managed by Howard Kaufman), signing Buckingham brought the band's core moving parts under Azoff's unified umbrella. This alignment streamlined the planning for Fleetwood Mac’s massive global tours in the 2010s".

That's what Google answered but it mentions LA Times as one of the sources. Anyway, at the end that simplified tour planning didn't work at all in April 2018.

I'm sure in 2010 Lindsey already knew the kind of person Irving is. So the only answer I can think of is... business is business.

[HomerMcvie]

"He(Irving) may be Satan, but he's OUR Satan"- Don Henley

Irving is a pit bull in business.... for people that can make him big money. Lindsey's solo career was never that, and it's honestly shocking that Irving would even want him on his roster(but obviously, it was part of having the FM package on your roster).

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

"He(Irving) may be Satan, but he's OUR Satan"- Don Henley

Irving is a pit bull in business.... for people that can make him big money. Lindsey's solo career was never that, and it's honestly shocking that Irving would even want him on his roster(but obviously, it was part of having the FM package on your roster).

well, especially as Irving himself said in his way too gleeful takedown of Lindsey after the firing, "After 2018 when Fleetwood Mac evolved with their new lineup, my continued work with the band was due entirely to the fact I’ve been aligned with Stevie Nicks in thought and purpose from the earliest of days. "

He was never, ever going to be on Lindsey's side. Ever. Period.

So he was Stevie's Satan, but never would he be Lindsey's.