Lindsey reacts to Tusk

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Villavic

Yes, but it was before the actual affair started, according to Mick.

On that first tour of the new band, we were staying at the original Holiday Inn, the oldest one, somewhere in Texas. It was a dump. I ended up in Lindsey's room after the gig. It was the first time I ever sat around and got stoned with Lindsey, man to man. We were just hanging around, and got to talking. I had stopped smoking years before, and needless to say I got hammered on this joint we shared. Remember, this is in the earliest days of the new band. We're both sitting there, and straight out of the blue he turned to me and said, "It's you and Stevie, isn't it?"

I was in terrible condition, but I remember this hitting my psyche like a bolt of lightning. I really didn't understand. I could only stammer, "Whaddaya mean?" But he didn't really answer. It merely appeared to him that there was something between me and Stevie Nicks. The moment passed, and it was never mentioned again.


But it was during the Rumours tour when the affair started.

LIKE. I. SAID. Mr. Bookman.


And I've not read the book for at least 10 years now.

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Lindsey plays mind games and I think this is what broke Stevie with her firing him. She really thought that silly dance was some sort of joke on her because she has PTSD from all the craziness between them. He put that shacking up line in later on because he knew it would humiliate her.

But why play mind games after so many years? he just wanted to mess w her head? were they 15? I don't know if believe they had any great emotional connection or closeness by then. I never heard anything that backs that up.

There are a few odd theories as to why stevie had him fired... she was soo hurt because he wouldn't sing that ridiculous Borrowed song w her.. she was tired of waiting for him to leave his wife and was pissed when he showed up w the family.. i mean come on. They were adults who have plenty of money. If they wanted to screw around and/or be together, they would have found a way to make it happen. but the truth according to what I have heard, was simply that they did not get alongggggg.

What i DID hear from a very good source was that stevie was prob in bed w mike campbell. After tom died, she wanted him in the band and knew that wasn't gonna happen with lindsey still there. and she was plotting that months before the musicares "smirk" fiasco. there was no smirk. she was just sick of LB.

--Lis

[cbBen]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Stevie in the first clip claiming the shacking up line WAS NOT TRUE.https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWXHNv9qeNk/

The $64,000 question is did Lindsey ever propose to her?

If not, his whining over the years about her breaking things off is unwarranted. If a man is with a woman for that long without proposing then HE is the one interested in nothing more than "shacking up."

If on the other hand Lindsey proposed marriage and Stevie declined while continuing to stay with him (or if she preemptively told him she had no interest in marrying him), then "shacking up's all you want to do" is a simple statement of fact.

If he waited until 1976 to propose and she broke it off when he did, then perhaps it's ambiguous when it comes to the line, but regardless Lindsey still waited too long to propose to have any grounds to complain about her leaving him.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

What i DID hear from a very good source was that stevie was prob in bed w mike campbell. After tom died, she wanted him in the band and knew that wasn't gonna happen with lindsey still there. and she was plotting that months before the musicares "smirk" fiasco. there was no smirk. she was just sick of LB.

--Lis

Butt she says she's not the boss of FM.

I. Hate. Her. She. Disgusts. Me.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by cbBen

The $64,000 question is did Lindsey ever propose to her?

If not, his whining over the years about her breaking things off is unwarranted. If a man is with a woman for that long without proposing then HE is the one interested in nothing more than "shacking up."

If on the other hand Lindsey proposed marriage and Stevie declined while continuing to stay with him (or if she preemptively told him she had no interest in marrying him), then "shacking up's all you want to do" is a simple statement of fact.

If he waited until 1976 to propose and she broke it off when he did, then perhaps it's ambiguous when it comes to the line, but regardless Lindsey still waited too long to propose to have any grounds to complain about her leaving him.

Wow we have major cultural differences. Where I come from "shacking up" is more sexually suggestive than just living together. The way its used in the song implies he is leaving (packing up) because all she wants to do is have sex. I don't see any relation to marriage but I understand different parts of the country or world have different phrases. I dont think Stevie would of been angry if the line was about not getting married or living together.

[cbBen]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Wow we have major cultural differences. Where I come from "shacking up" is more sexually suggestive than just living together. The way its used in the song implies he is leaving (packing up) because all she wants to do is have sex. I don't see any relation to marriage but I understand different parts of the country or world have different phrases. I dont think Stevie would of been angry if the line was about not getting married or living together.

We're generally on the same page. They weren't living together as roommates, so by implication I'm referring to wanting sex and nothing more.

The line in the song aside, when he whines about Stevie leaving him in 1976 I've long found myself yelling at Lindsey through the screen. "Did you ever propose?! If not, what on earth are you complaining about? Why would you expect her to stick around?"

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

What i DID hear from a very good source was that stevie was prob in bed w mike campbell. After tom died, she wanted him in the band and knew that wasn't gonna happen with lindsey still there. and she was plotting that months before the musicares "smirk" fiasco. there was no smirk. she was just sick of LB.
--Lis

If you say your source is reliable, I believe you. But honestly, I find that story hard to believe. She wanted him in the band??? What band? Just a tour band in 2018? Because if I remember correctly, she didn't want any more Mac studio albums. And that "present band" lineup ended the tour in 2019 and it has not been consistently active since. And that was it. And I think it was a Neil interview where he said Stevie complained during rehearsals because they didn't play like Lindsey did, or anything like that. So I'd understand she wanted Mike in the band just to sleep with him. On first thought, hard to believe. But, well, it's Stevie Nicks. I think L&S simply didn't get along anymore, or again, whatever.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by cbBen

The $64,000 question is did Lindsey ever propose to her?

If not, his whining over the years about her breaking things off is unwarranted. If a man is with a woman for that long without proposing then HE is the one interested in nothing more than "shacking up."

If on the other hand Lindsey proposed marriage and Stevie declined while continuing to stay with him (or if she preemptively told him she had no interest in marrying him), then "shacking up's all you want to do" is a simple statement of fact.

If he waited until 1976 to propose and she broke it off when he did, then perhaps it's ambiguous when it comes to the line, but regardless Lindsey still waited too long to propose to have any grounds to complain about her leaving him.

I think we should ask her (or actually both) if proposing is really important in a relationship. Because I know many couples who have never married, live together, still love each other for years, and have built a life together. Without needing a ring. I also know couples where the proposal and marriage are indeed important.

But talking about that, I'm sure that if there was a proposal, that ring would be worth millions at auction.

[cbBen]

If a reporter stays clear of their private lives, that's one thing. But those that haven't done so over the years have been derelict in not asking about marriage proposals, commitment, plans they had to stay together over the long term, and so on. It's been more or less the same questions and answers every time.

As to the above, for these purposes you can substitute a mutually agreed and understood long term commitment for marriage as such. I personally don't consider it the same but I understand others do and that's fine.

My main point is there's no such thing as a boyfriend and girlfriend "dating" for 5-6 years. You're either in a committed relationship with a view toward staying together over the long term or you are effectively saying "This will do for the time being." Unless a man asked for the former arrangement and the woman said no, it is not reasonable for him to complain about her not sticking around under the latter one.

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by Villavic

If you say your source is reliable, I believe you. But honestly, I find that story hard to believe. She wanted him in the band??? What band? Just a tour band in 2018? Because if I remember correctly, she didn't want any more Mac studio albums. And that "present band" lineup ended the tour in 2019 and it has not been consistently active since. And that was it. And I think it was a Neil interview where he said Stevie complained during rehearsals because they didn't play like Lindsey did, or anything like that. So I'd understand she wanted Mike in the band just to sleep with him. On first thought, hard to believe. But, well, it's Stevie Nicks. I think L&S simply didn't get along anymore, or again, whatever.

well yeah, exactly, they didn't get along. So i guess she was looking for other options. Even if FM was by then just a touring band, she prob just didn't want to do any of that with lindsey and preferred the idea of doing it with mike. (screwing included lol.) i mean she had the chance to actually be part of the 'working band' when they did the buckvie album and wanted no part of it. perhaps they COULD HAVE BEEN a band that did more as the Rumours five line up, but she didn't wanna pursue that. (and this fan theory that she was sooo jealous of chris working with LB, or that she was angry that they called the album Buckingham McVie because it was like a dig at the Buckingham Nicks album seem kind of farfetched to me. I mean stevie knew the relationship between chris and lindsey was based on their musical collaboration. why would she have been jealous of her?)

But imo it seems quite feasible that if she were only going to participate on the tour, then i guess she wanted to improve the FM touring experience for herself. Neil wasn't the one she had wanted in, and she didn't know him well, so maybe she had this issue of "not playing like how LB would have" mainly with him..?

i could def believe this source that heard she was sleeping w mike... the idea doesn't seem far outside the realm of things that could happen lol. but as w everything, the only people that know for sure are the people who were or were not in bed together.

--Lis

[cbBen]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

Neil wasn't the one she had wanted in, and she didn't know him well, so maybe she had this issue of "not playing like how LB would have" mainly with him..?

i could def believe this source that heard she was sleeping w mike... the idea doesn't seem far outside the realm of things that could happen lol.

1. Highly doubtful she was sleeping with Mike. I read the Warren Zanes biography of Tom Petty. Mike and his wife are very close. Mike insisted on taking her on the road, even though it caused tension with the other band members. I wouldn't be surprised if he brought her along on the FM tour.

2. Stevie's issue was with Mike playing longer solos than Lindsey did. I don't remember the source (I probably read it here), but she specifically said Lindsey played fewer bars in certain sections of songs than Mike did.

[sue]

I always thought the line..Packing up, shacking up is all you wanna do..
Refers to Stevie..…wanting to break up (pack up), and then shacking up with whoever.

Lindsey and Stevie had been in a long term relationship so to me “shacking up” doesn’t refer to them…..no matter if they were at it like rabbits .
A long term relationship isn’t shacking up.

So imo he is referring to her with other men.
And that’s why she doesn’t like the line..

“I wasn’t in a shacking mood with anyone” didn’t she say.

[cbBen]

Yes, that does make more sense.

I still would like to know whether they ever discussed marriage or staying together over the long term.

[Villavic]

Well at least Lindsey does remember the USC Marching Band was Mick’s idea. And it was Judy Wong who made the video at Dodger Stadium possible.

One day in the studio I volunteered to pay for a marching band to record this riff. In a typical burst of grandiosity, I said I wanted to go for an immense wall of sound, that I wanted to record the band in Dodger Stadium. Silence. They looked at me as if I were mad. Someone murmured that this idea was a little off the wall. Dark mutterings that old Fleetwood had gone round the bend on this one. Then Judy Wong, bless her, said she knew someone at Dodger Stadium.

Ha!
I forget exactly how the University of Southern California's Trojan Marching Band was chosen to play the part of the village band on the album. I went to one of the marching band's meetings, played them a tape of "the rift," and asked if they could manage an arrangement. The kids liked the idea. The band director, Dr. Bartz, came over to our studio a few days later, and gradually my village band came to life.

[David]

Originally Posted by sue

So imo he is referring to her with other men.
And that’s why she doesn’t like the line..

That’s my take, as well, Sue.

We talk about a breakup in that relationship, but there were clearly at least half a dozen breakups, and some of them apparently predated joining Fleetwood Mac. They were both really a mess, and they joined Fleetwood Mac in early 1975 on what was already a very rocky road.

In 1994, on tour, some of you probably remember how she introduced the song “Destiny” as a song she wrote in 1973 when she left Los Angeles and Lindsey and drove to the Bay Area, where she fell in love with somebody, so seriously in fact that she considered staying with him in San Francisco and permanently ditching Lindsey (and Buckingham Nicks). As she put it, “I had to make a decision.” It was destiny, then, to return to LA and continue the struggles.