"The affairs dented my self respect"

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Being that BTM sort of bombed made her exit easier though. Imagine if it was a huge success with multiple hit singles. There would have been pressure on her especially from Mick to keep going.

That makes me think of another what if. What if Lindsey had never left the band? Instead of BTM there would have been a much better album, probably in 1990 or thereabouts. I think after that album Christine would have gone on hiatus though. And with Stevie in bad shape in those years, there probably wouldn't have been another album until The Dance. Who knows.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

That makes me think of another what if. What if Lindsey had never left the band? Instead of BTM there would have been a much better album, probably in 1990 or thereabouts. I think after that album Christine would have gone on hiatus though. And with Stevie in bad shape in those years, there probably wouldn't have been another album until The Dance. Who knows.

If that scenario happened and Lindsey stayed around in the early 90s, I doubt there would have been The Dance. The band would have broken up and wanted nothing to do with each other. Lindsey's, Chris's, and Stevie's break from the band sort of allowed them to regroup and call it a reunion even though most people did not realize the band was still doing things without them. I remember during the inauguration it was a bit insulting when people kept saying the band reunited for the first time in a decade. It just had a different guitarist.
It also helped that Stevie's solo career hit a wall and Lindsey's solo career was not successful. The Dance made everyone happy except for maybe Chris.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

I think we would need to read more to jump to conclusions about the author. Was she not Chris's friend? I don't see anything negative towards Chris at all. If anything it makes Chris very human and vulnerable. We all wondered the hell she went through with John and how she coped. Could you imagine what someone really could have written even the blunt truth that would leave people gasping. I found this heartfelt showing her struggles not just as a woman but as a human being. All of this would have a toll on anyone. If anything one could say this is a glossy portrait compared to the harsh reality of the truth. I felt it very touching how losing her dad even at his late age really impacted her. Losing your parents is a benchmark in everyone's life. Her dad lived a very long life and got to see her on top of the world. Yet the reality is it still really hurt her. The band stopped their world tour and took 3 months off when Chris's dad passed. When Mick's mother passed during OWTS the band never cancelled or postponed one date. Mick was playing the next night. When Robin died, the band kept the Mirage tour going. Chris's outlook totally changed with her dad's passing. With all the hurt Chris went through, the reality is its almost impossible to write the truth yet not be too realistic. In everyone's life no matter how wonderful they are or were there were benchmarks and tough times. As they say, what does not kill you makes you stronger. IMHO this is why Chris was so strong. Its not a story of a weak woman that took advantage of men. Her experiences is what made her a fantastic writer and even better band mate. But we have to realize even in our heroes or heroines there are times they falter. I will never forget the story on Bob Welch's website that told the story of him running into Lindsey shortly after Bob left the band. Lindsey asked Bob, "how the hell did you stand to be around these people?"

Some of my dismissals of the writer and her approach come from her one hour podcast/interview where she sells the same stories and paints the same pictures as this fragment provided here. She has an angle and a mission: I’m not on board with either because it doesn’t appear to come from an authentic connection with Christine. It’s opportunistic and distorted.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Restoring an old house in rural England sounds like fun. She knew that she wanted to only do a few more years in the biz.

I remember she said something along the lines of not wanting to still be doing it at 50 and was 46 at the time.

She was sort of forced to do Time. She did not want to do it and Warner told Mick they needed one of their famous singers or no deal. Didn't she record tracks from England and send them to the States?

She seemed enthusiastic about what became Time during the Inauguration interview, but that’s when they were a four piece with Billy. It wasn’t until Dave Mason came along that she wasn’t happy. As for when her songs were recorded, I’d be willing to bet that those were the demos they did in early 1993 (if not earlier), since Billy was involved with “I Do.”

Let's not forget. Fleetwood Mac called it quits and had a "Farewell Tour" in late 1990.

Slight correction: It was only billed as the last tour with Christine and Stevie. Fleetwood Mac planned to continue with just the guys, with Christine and Stevie still recording with them. However, I recently saw an interview with Mick on YouTube from that time, and even he appreciated how ridiculous it sounded.

A canary in the coal mine of her unhappiness in Kent was that interview she did with a woman to promote ITM. Its that interview with the annoying music in the background. Chris is so out of character. She seems annoyed, impatient, and genuinely not happy like: Lets get this thing over. Making that album was probably so therapeutic for her working with her nephew. It gave her purpose and they made a fantastic album. But I think after that project was done, things got really bad. She even started smoking again.

If it’s the one I’m thinking of, there’s a moment when she’s talking about Mick and John and just kind freezes for a second, like it’s hitting her that she’s not with them anymore.

I think what probably sent Christine over the edge in Kent was that dispute she got into with her neighbors, when paparazzi took pictures of her walking her dogs without any makeup. That was in March, 2010. In March, 2012, Ken said Christine told him his book restored her passion for the music. In March, 2013, she was flying to Hawaii with Mick. And, in March, 2014, she appeared with Fleetwood Mac on the Today show to officially announce her return.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I remember she said something along the lines of not wanting to still be doing it at 50 and was 46 at the time.



She seemed enthusiastic about what became Time during the Inauguration interview, but that’s when they were a four piece with Billy. It wasn’t until Dave Mason came along that she wasn’t happy. As for when her songs were recorded, I’d be willing to bet that those were the demos they did in early 1993 (if not earlier), since Billy was involved with “I Do.”



Slight correction: It was only billed as the last tour with Christine and Stevie. Fleetwood Mac planned to continue with just the guys, with Christine and Stevie still recording with them. However, I recently saw an interview with Mick on YouTube from that time, and even he appreciated how ridiculous it sounded.



If it’s the one I’m thinking of, there’s a moment when she’s talking about Mick and John and just kind freezes for a second, like it’s hitting her that she’s not with them anymore.

I think what probably sent Christine over the edge in Kent was that dispute she got into with her neighbors, when paparazzi took pictures of her walking her dogs without any makeup. That was in March, 2010. In March, 2012, Ken said Christine told him his book restored her passion for the music. In March, 2013, she was flying to Hawaii with Mick. And, in March, 2014, she appeared with Fleetwood Mac on the Today show to officially announce her return.

Slight correction.
When the band regrouped after taking several months off because of Chris's father, the tour was rebranded "The Farewell Tour." My concert T-shirt said that too. It was announced Chris and Stevie were no longer touring with the band. Yes we know the band went on without them but I am not the one that named it the Farewell Tour. The band did. All or most of the cancelled dates were made up. It was even advertised in the newspaper and announced on the radio it was the Farewell Tour. There was no opening act like on the BTM tour.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Slight correction.
When the band regrouped after taking several months off because of Chris's father, the tour was rebranded "The Farewell Tour." My concert T-shirt said that too. It was announced Chris and Stevie were no longer touring with the band. Yes we know the band went on without them but I am not the one that named it the Farewell Tour. The band did. All or most of the cancelled dates were made up. It was even advertised in the newspaper and announced on the radio it was the Farewell Tour. There was no opening act like on the BTM tour.

Here’s that video. Mick talks about it at the 15 minute mark. https://youtu.be/7gK8jIOJSP8

How would that have worked? https://youtu.be/Z17-5yrN56U

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Here’s that video. Mick talks about it at the 15 minute mark. https://youtu.be/7gK8jIOJSP8

How would that have worked? https://youtu.be/Z17-5yrN56U

Steve
I am not sure what your point is. Of course we all know the band played on post 1990. I had tickets for the BTM tour in July 1990 which was cancelled and rescheduled for November. When it was rescheduled, the opening act was dropped and the marketing of these made up dates was "The Farewell tour"
That is all I am saying. That is a fact. Of course we know Mick kept the band running in various formations until 7 years later. At the end of that night in 1990, I was convinced it was the last time I would ever see them perform. There is a reason Lindsey joined them on stage for the last night. It was a token of going full circle and closing out an era.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

How would that have worked? https://youtu.be/Z17-5yrN56U

Good cover. It seems more like a tribute band.

And what happened with the aircon???

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by Villavic

Good cover. It seems more like a tribute band.

And what happened with the aircon???

lol i know, dear god, poor billy was just sweating in sheets. why do artists usually wear long sleeves when they know how hot they're gonna get? i never understand that. but i'm a person who's always hot, so...

--Lis

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Steve
I am not sure what your point is. Of course we all know the band played on post 1990. I had tickets for the BTM tour in July 1990 which was cancelled and rescheduled for November. When it was rescheduled, the opening act was dropped and the marketing of these made up dates was "The Farewell tour"
That is all I am saying. That is a fact.

My point is it wasn’t a farewell tour, regardless of how your local media was promoting it. It’s understandable why the media would say that, since Fleetwood Mac going on without Christine, Stevie, and Lindsey was out there.

However, this interview was conducted towards the end of the tour. Mick even says the last show with Christine and Stevie was going to be on December 7, Pearl Harbor Day. After that, the plan was for the guys to start working on a new album in six months. Does that sound like he thought it was a farewell tour?

[bombaysaffires]

The media doesn't make up the tee shirts sold at the shows. If the band had merch tables selling "Farewell Tour" shirts, then that isn't the local media calling it that out of nowhere; that's the band branding it as such and the media picking up on it.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

My point is it wasn’t a farewell tour, regardless of how your local media was promoting it. It’s understandable why the media would say that, since Fleetwood Mac going on without Christine, Stevie, and Lindsey was out there.

However, this interview was conducted towards the end of the tour. Mick even says the last show with Christine and Stevie was going to be on December 7, Pearl Harbor Day. After that, the plan was for the guys to start working on a new album in six months. Does that sound like he thought it was a farewell tour?

Steve
It was not the local media. It was stamped on the tour by the band. They were honest with fans. Chris and Stevie are not performing with the band anymore. In the newspaper in the entertainment section announcing bands coming to town there was a block announcing Fleetwood Mac with "Farewell tour" right at the top. I had to go buy tickets again because it was at a different venue. It was supposed to be in an Ampitheater in the summer. Now it was in an arena in late fall. Not sure why this is a big deal to you. Both Cher and Ozzy had "farewell tours" in the 1990s and still toured for 15 years. After the tour resumed, Chris even dropped Save Me (BTM's only minor hit) from the set and replaced it with Say You Love Me. IMHO that shows some nostalgia on her part before hanging up her live gigs. Both things are not mutually exclusive. You keep saying Mick wanted to keep the band going. No doubt that was true. Call it a marketing gimmick to get more fans to the shows then. Stevie's Timespace record was delayed because of this 1990 tour that never ended. She had already had her fight with Mick and was leaving the band. I was there. It was very sad to me because I thought it was the end. Both things can be the truth at the same time. You think it was just a fluke to have Lindsey there the final night? Do you really think he would have been there if Chris's dad had not died and the BTM tour ended in August?
On another note, you mentioned Chris promoting Time during the Superbowl or some appearance claiming she was excited about doing a new album. Of course she was going to say that. You think she was going to say anything otherwise. Are you disputing that Warner Brothers demanded her or no deal? She went on the record later on how much she despised a certain guitarist and recorded tracks with different musicians and sent them to the band. If you think these are examples of being joyful and wanting to record with the band, that is your opinion. She was fulfilling her obligation to Mick. In her 1995 live chat interview she stated her touring was behind her and was not going to perform again. The fact that these 6 people NEVER again performed on stage together after this tour indicates it was a goodbye or farewell tour, no?

[David]

I attended the December 6 show in San Francisco. Lindsey performed there, too. Felt very final to me, but nobody knew for sure.

[SteveMacD]

“I never saw this interview before but its fascinating. Mick is promoting his book while still in the final months of touring in 1990. He talks about his affair with Stevie, him falling in love with a catfish imposter and telling Sara about it, and throwing dildos around the stage in the early days.

You can see he is not happy talking about Chris and Stevie playing their "final" show with the band in just a few weeks . He sees no sense in it at all and you can see how frustrated he is about it.” -Macfan4life, 08-12-2022

Christine and Stevie not playing live with the band was the only “farewell” part of the tour. Furthermore, in this same interview, ”while still in the final months of touring in 1990”, he says the band isn’t breaking up and the guys were going back into the studio in six months.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

On another note, you mentioned Chris promoting Time during the Superbowl or some appearance claiming she was excited about doing a new album.

I’m talking about the press conference Mick, John, Christine, and Lindsey did before the Inauguration in January, 1993.

Fleetwood Mac was currently Mick, John, Christine, and Billy at that time. Chris said that they were going back into the studio in a few weeks. Bekka and Dave hadn’t yet joined.

Are you disputing that Warner Brothers demanded her or no deal? She went on the record later on how much she despised a certain guitarist and recorded tracks with different musicians and sent them to the band.

Billy left in the early Spring, 1993, Bekka joined in late Spring, Dave joined by October, and Billy rejoined in Spring, 1994. Christine pulled out when things got bad between her and Dave (as did Richard). The band submitted an album without any of her songs in early 1995 and the label rejected it.

My speculation is that Mick, John, and Christine recorded demos in early 1993 with Michael Thompson. Billy also contributed guitar to “I Do” and maybe vocals. Christine “didn’t want to do the album” after it became something else and Mick “coaxing her to do the album” was him demanding to put the work they’d done with Michael Thompson in 1993 on the album to be done with it. By that point, the Rumours reunion was imminent.