Rumours 5 Event 2023?

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

I believe it's in The Dance doc that Rob Cavallo talks about the spark for doing The Dance came from him... He talks about how Lindsey had done a solo record and wanted to get himself back out as a solo artist. And Rob states that he said to Lindsey "You've been out of the industry's eye for a number of years now. You know what would get your name back out there in the biggest possible way? A reunion, on soundstage, filmed." I'm sure in those conversations the decision was made to not just film but professionally record it in the hopes of releasing an album from it, hence, they did. The same conversation would have been had in Stevie's camp, with her management reaching the same conclusion... she was not at the forefront of the industry anymore, tours not selling so much, etc. The Dance was a business decision for all of them far more than an artistic decision at that time (with the understanding that by getting lots of attention that would get them the industry support to then afterwards go on to do other artistic things.)

The thing is that now Stevie sees herself totally differently. She said after the tour with the Pretenders that that tour "puts me in a different level as a solo performer". She wasn't second to Rod Stewart or whoever, SHE was the headliner and with the right opening act she realized she could now play the same big venues but WITHOUT Fleetwood Mac. Less hassle of compromising to other people's visions, no sharing of the profits, no compromising on tour schedules, being the BIG BOSS of everyone and everything... this boosted her confidence and she figures she fought long and hard for that and she is not giving that up for anyone or anything again... She always talked about never leaving FM because loyalty blah blah blah but really she didn't ever leave them because it was her safety net. She's come to realize at this point in her career, the tables have turned, and she does. not. need. them. SHE has become THEIR safety net now. She's got full control, not even Lindsey can touch her now, and she ain't giving up for nobody.

During The Dance, she needed THEM. Her career was stalled out. LB's solo career was stalled out. FM's career was stalled out. They all had motivat$on to get back together. This band has always been and will always be motivated by the moolah.... and for Stevie, the fame. She literally has given over her whole life to creating the legend of "Stevie Nicks" and she's finally gotten the payout for that she wanted. It's her validation that it was all worth it. She feels like she's swallowed enough sh^t and she's not swallowing any more.

For quite a while Stevie could play the sheds and slightly smaller arenas with 10-12k seats without a problem. By the time the Rod Stewart / Pretenders tours came along, she had already been touring a whole bunch. She was over saturating the market. If you take into account things kicking off with the SYW tour in 2003 and all of her subsequent solo tours and FM tours that followed, that's a lot.


The pandemic clearly helped ticket demand for her. She fell off the radar for three years and now she's nearly selling out Pine Knob in Detroit. You can sit on the lawn for the bargain price of $150.00 LOL.

[SteveMacD]

If Rob C. was the catalyst for The Dance, then it started when Fleetwood Mac was doing Time.

Lindsey came off the road in August, 1993, two months before Dave Mason joined, so that conversation would have had to happen after Lindsey reconnected with Christine and the new and coke-free Mick, long before it was announced Mick was working on Lindsey’s new album.

I could see someone putting the bug in Lindsey’s head that a reunion tour would be great for his solo career. Billy said he knew the band was over and tried warning Bekka and Dave because he knew the attorneys.

That would certainly explain why Time was essentially DOA.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

If Rob C. was the catalyst for The Dance, then it started when Fleetwood Mac was doing Time.

Lindsey came off the road in August, 1993, two months before Dave Mason joined, so that conversation would have had to happen after Lindsey reconnected with Christine and the new and coke-free Mick, long before it was announced Mick was working on Lindsey’s new album.

I could see someone putting the bug in Lindsey’s head that a reunion tour would be great for his solo career. Billy said he knew the band was over and tried warning Bekka and Dave because he knew the attorneys.

That would certainly explain why Time was essentially DOA.

I am not sure I understand your premise/predicate. You are saying Time was a flop because Billy and others in 1995 knew in advance of the Dance reunion and made a flop album on purpose?

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

If Rob C. was the catalyst for The Dance, then it started when Fleetwood Mac was doing Time.

Lindsey came off the road in August, 1993, two months before Dave Mason joined, so that conversation would have had to happen after Lindsey reconnected with Christine and the new and coke-free Mick, long before it was announced Mick was working on Lindsey’s new album.

I could see someone putting the bug in Lindsey’s head that a reunion tour would be great for his solo career. Billy said he knew the band was over and tried warning Bekka and Dave because he knew the attorneys.

That would certainly explain why Time was essentially DOA.

I could see that happening, especially with the OOTC lack of commercial and road success. It's hard to downgrade on the road.

And don't forget, he passed on "the lucrative" Tango Tour money. Even if a reunion was just an idea at this point, it would make so much sense and help all of them collectively and individually.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I could see that happening, especially with the OOTC lack of commercial and road success. It's hard to downgrade on the road.

And don't forget, he passed on "the lucrative" Tango Tour money. Even if a reunion was just an idea at this point, it would make so much sense and help all of them collectively and individually.

And Stevie should be given credit for her part in helping start a reunion. She called Lindsey in 1996 to work on a song with her for the Twister film soundtrack. That opened the communication between those two again.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

And Stevie should be given credit for her part in helping start a reunion. She called Lindsey in 1996 to work on a song with her for the Twister film soundtrack. That opened the communication between those two again.

Stevie was cool around this time. Maybe she'd been humbled by flopping herself. (In entertainment and personally) None of them had a good look. I thought Twisted was awful, but I ran out and bought it immediately.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Stevie was cool around this time. Maybe she'd been humbled by flopping herself. (In entertainment and personally) None of them had a good look. I thought Twisted was awful, but I ran out and bought it immediately.

Interesting, I swore I was the only one that was not impressed with Twisted. I see it all the time as a fan favorite. Nothing special about the song IMHO

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Interesting, I swore I was the only one that was not impressed with Twisted. I see it all the time as a fan favorite. Nothing special about the song IMHO

It was a first stab at B/N since their 1973 album. And after listening to the 1973 album, then listening to that song... It was clear they were completely different people and artists, at that point. I was bored, to be honest.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Interesting, I swore I was the only one that was not impressed with Twisted. I see it all the time as a fan favorite. Nothing special about the song IMHO

The Stevie/Lindsey one is a fan fav? I thought the demo was the fan favorite.

The only reason I like the movie one the most is because of the extra lyrics (I know, you know)

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

The Stevie/Lindsey one is a fan fav? I thought the demo was the fan favorite.

The only reason I like the movie one the most is because of the extra lyrics (I know, you know)

Either or. Both dont appeal to me and never have. But you could be right maybe the demo is the favorite. Stevie seemed so proud of her song with Lindsey and I thought it was the most boring song she ever recorded. Give me Street Angel or give me death.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Either or. Both dont appeal to me and never have. But you could be right maybe the demo is the favorite. Stevie seemed so proud of her song with Lindsey and I thought it was the most boring song she ever recorded. Give me Street Angel or give me death.

Listen to Frozen Love, or Crying In The Night... then listened to Twisted.

Try not to fall asleep during Twisted.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Listen to Frozen Love, or Crying In The Night... then listened to Twisted.

Try not to fall asleep during Twisted.

The way she spoke about Twisted was like she just wrote Silver Springs or something. She was just coming out of a very dark place and recording again. So to her it seemed like a masterpiece. It was the most meh song I ever heard. I am not joking but Jane is a far better song.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

I am not sure I understand your premise/predicate. You are saying Time was a flop because Billy and others in 1995 knew in advance of the Dance reunion and made a flop album on purpose?

Not at all.

Rob C. was an in-house producer for WB. Lindsey wasn’t his employer, WB was. That’s a red flag that the label wasn’t going to allow Lindsey the same creative free reign he’d previously enjoyed.

Furthermore, if a WB employee was pushing for a Hell Freezes Over-type reunion and encouraging Lindsey to get Mick involved on the project, that was coming from much higher on the chain of command. So, not only were the higher ups at WB pushing for a Rumours reunion, but they also intentionally decided to tank Time while it was still being recorded.

By the time Mick got involved with Lindsey’s album and all of the industry guys started coming around, Billy knew the Time lineup was over and tried to warn Bekka and Dave.

In any case, all of the “everything came together very organically” was about as sincere as the “it just felt like a duet album.”

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

In any case, all of the “everything came together very organically” was about as sincere as the “it just felt like a duet album.”

... and if I might add, Stevie was in need of a boost as well. So, "convincing" her to do this wasn't all that difficult. But I found her to be chill about it. She wasn't the train wreck she is now.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

... and if I might add, Stevie was in need of a boost as well. So, "convincing" her to do this wasn't all that difficult. But I found her to be chill about it. She wasn't the train wreck she is now.

Stevie needed a relaunch. Quitting smoking, losing weight, getting a makeover, and adopting the older, wiser godmother who survived it persona was the key to successfully redefining her public image. She probably could have done it as a solo artist, with special guests like Billy Corgan, Courtney Love, and Dave Grohl, but it wouldn’t have been nearly as profound or as durable as a Fleetwood Mac reunion.