Rumours of Lindsey leaving the band?

[NotonRodeo]

I remember on the On with the Show tour the icon was very loudly complaining to the media about the scheduling of the shows. Did she suffer any consequences then? But even the wealthiest promoter must bow to the icon, or else.

[sue]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Guess I'll be coming to Berkshire so we can have a cry.

Giant size Kleenex on order.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by sue

Giant size Kleenex on order.

We shall tend to the garden to find peace.

[kenzo]

My favorite Neil Finn song is "Won't Give In", released as part of the Finn Brothers album Everyone Is Here in 2004.

Low-res YT video link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVtBV5UwI6Y

Originally Posted by bwboy

I don't know much about Neil Finn or Crowded House except for their two most popular songs. I understand Neil has been critically acclaimed. Since you're more familiar with his work, I was hoping you could provide a little more insight, BlanketMan. Are Neil and Lindsey similar at all, vocally, for example? How do you think Neil could handle Go Your Own Way? Might Neil do a good job with Bob Welch material, like Hypnotized or Sentimental Lady?

I kind of suspect Neil will be a replacement vocally for Bob Welch, with only 2-3 LB songs, which would really surprise folks!

[BlanketMan]

Originally Posted by bwboy

I don't know much about Neil Finn or Crowded House except for their two most popular songs. I understand Neil has been critically acclaimed. Since you're more familiar with his work, I was hoping you could provide a little more insight, BlanketMan. Are Neil and Lindsey similar at all, vocally, for example? How do you think Neil could handle Go Your Own Way? Might Neil do a good job with Bob Welch material, like Hypnotized or Sentimental Lady?

I kind of suspect Neil will be a replacement vocally for Bob Welch, with only 2-3 LB songs, which would really surprise folks!

Hmmm, interesting questions. If I had to pick the most similar aspect of Finn's and LB's musical abilities, it would probably be their songwriting more so than their vocal stylings or guitar-playing. They both write easy-on-the-ears pop songs that can be both pleasing-to-the-masses and chock full of deeper "I'm much smarter than you think" meaning.

But vocally? I don't see them as especially similar. I'm trying to picture 2018 Finn singing "Go Your Own Way"... Maybe check out a couple of Crowded House's more rocking tunes (for them at least) like "Locked Out" or "I Walk Away" (which he also recorded with Split Enz) to hear Finn tearing into a tune that's kinda close to that vein...? But Finn sings a lot of great ballads, like "Don't Dream It's Over," "Message to my Girl," "One Step Ahead"... LB doesn't really sing those kinds of songs with FM. Still, they are both chameleons and I'm confident that Finn can handle the duties. He might not sound like LB but he'll do a solid job. As upset I am about LB's departure, I'm still very curious to hear what they sound like with the new guys.

[editme2]

The news of the past couple of days has been truly heartbreaking. I'm not a huge Lindsey Buckingham fan, but he has been (and always will be, no matter what) the musical genius who has kept Fleetwood Mac relevant and pushed them forward. Without him, the new iteration of "Fleetwood Mac" is really just a glorified karaoke band.

I'm very torn about supporting this new tour. Though I love Stevie and Christine, I'm having a hard time imagining Mike Campbell and, especially, Neil Finn fitting in. Though they are talented writers and musicians, their sound is not Fleetwood Mac. I just can't imagine Neil singing such iconic Lindsey songs as "Big Love" and "Never Going Back Again." I imagine that they'll eschew lots of big Lindsey songs for older, pre-Buckingham Nicks material (much like they did in 1987-88). And, sorry, but I don't want to hear a "Fleetwood Mac" version of "Don't Dream It's Over" or "Better Be Home Soon," regardless of how good those songs are.

I'll say that Neil's voice is still incredibly strong, and he may actually put Stevie and Christine to shame in the vocals department.

I hope that Stevie gets herself in shape (how about losing 15 pounds), works on her voice so that she's not just droning on, and puts a hell of a lot more energy into her performance (and she better not bring out those awful Frankenbocks) because she's going to be the focal point and the expectations will be high.

I'm truly sad that the Rumours 5 couldn't put their differences aside and leave fans with fond memories of a kick-ass final tour. Now Fleetwood Mac will most likely go out as a joke. What a horrible way for them to be remembered.

[lennonfan]

I don't know what to say that hasn't already been said.
This hurts.
I can't believe I see 'fired' and 'Lindsey' in the same sentence.
A farewell tour with new members? huh?
Shocked and sad. I love Fleetwood Mac. This feels like a nail.
RIP

[SpyNote]

Originally Posted by bwboy

I don't know much about Neil Finn or Crowded House except for their two most popular songs. I understand Neil has been critically acclaimed. Since you're more familiar with his work, I was hoping you could provide a little more insight, BlanketMan. Are Neil and Lindsey similar at all, vocally, for example? How do you think Neil could handle Go Your Own Way? Might Neil do a good job with Bob Welch material, like Hypnotized or Sentimental Lady?

I kind of suspect Neil will be a replacement vocally for Bob Welch, with only 2-3 LB songs, which would really surprise folks!

I think Neil Finn is a fantastic musician. I've been following him since his Split Enz ("I Got You") and Crowded House ("Don't Dream It's Over, "Something So Strong") days. His songwriting and sound are often compared to Lennon and McCartney. Even though I'll miss Lindsey on the upcoming tour, I'm really looking forward to what Neil will bring to the band dynamic.

What I really love about the Crowded House community is their forward-thinking policy about recording shows. All of them are recorded and most have been made available through the fan club.

Here's one of my favorite songs from Neil.



And this is just a funny video. Neil has a great sense of humor onstage.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

I agree with who said that this line-up is surely a rapid makeweight stand-in, however now that I've slept on it and I have a clearer mind I wonder if it's possible that it was Lindsey that gave an ultimatum of some sort to the band.

Yes there are a lot of missing pieces to this story... It will be interesting to see who talks first...him or them. You know the minute they start giving interviews to promote the tour and all that they will get asked a million questions. Stevie will give a canned answer with a totally straight face that lots of people will buy. Mick as well although when pressed he gets more stammery and hems and haws more than she would. She can glide right through a bullsh*t story. She believes she is so good at playing the role and selling her version of things.....because, well, she is.

I will not be surprised if we learn that Lindsey made some sort of ultimatum, whether it was first or in response to something/someone else. I'm trying to imagine what was going on in rehearsals to where she said "that's it I can't work with him anymore"? He wanted a set schedule for rehearsals, not all night hanging out parties? Did he criticize her performance/singing? Did he object to bringing in more people from her solo band (singers/musicians?) People forget it takes TWO to make a relationship dysfunctional.

[SisterNightroad]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Yes there are a lot of missing pieces to this story... It will be interesting to see who talks first...him or them. You know the minute they start giving interviews to promote the tour and all that they will get asked a million questions. Stevie will give a canned answer with a totally straight face that lots of people will buy. Mick as well although when pressed he gets more stammery and hems and haws more than she would. She can glide right through a bullsh*t story. She believes she is so good at playing the role and selling her version of things.....because, well, she is.

I will not be surprised if we learn that Lindsey made some sort of ultimatum, whether it was first or in response to something/someone else. I'm trying to imagine what was going on in rehearsals to where she said "that's it I can't work with him anymore"? He wanted a set schedule for rehearsals, not all night hanging out parties? Did he criticize her performance/singing? Did he object to bringing in more people from her solo band (singers/musicians?) People forget it takes TWO to make a relationship dysfunctional.

I still don't understand why everyone is so sure that it all came from Stevie since it surely takes at least five to fire someone from the band; however I meant a scenario where, for example, Lindsey wants to postpone the tour because he wants some time off to work on his next solo album and tour (like Stevie did), but the band doesn't comply because partial preparations have already been made (which I suppose would lead to contractual -both financial and legal- problems), so Lindsey puts his foot down and give an ultimatum like "give me my free time or I'm out". The band members think he's bluffing so they don't yield and he goes out the door; everyone has to find a last minute substitution(s) for Lindsey on this goddamn tour and the rest is history.
Of course this is just a possible scenario, but it's consistent with the band's power play dynamics. I should write fanfictions.

[Matt Lucas]

Originally Posted by tango87

This tweet from UK music journalist Pete Paphides just about sums it up:

'I think of it more as Fleetwood Mac having joined Neil Finn.'

https://twitter.com/petepaphides/sta...18025067773952

That's pretty awesome, actually. Maybe the best way of looking at it.

matt

[Tango]

http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-fle...172870435.html

They are a beautiful family - maybe Stella is home doing homework. Maybe they are members of The Ledge at this point. Some folks here react as if they are the children of this band, but we are just part of the vast fan base that pays money to see them perform and made them wealthy. (and don't kid yourself - they are wealthy. Too wealthy and not hungry.)

There are so many IFs in many posts of this 40 page thread. IF this is about something Lindsey said, this should be able to be negotiated. Get rid of the Tom Petty "I Won't Back Down" mentality and work it out. IF this is really about Lindsey wanting to tour solo during the Fleetwood Mac album, why not do it afterward and seize the day on the bounce he will get from people discovering and rediscovering him with the FM tour.

IF this is about Lindsey. I remember The Dance and how Stevie capitalized on it by immediately doing a three month outing for the Enchanted boxed set. Lindsey sat on the album that he had been tooling in his garage/basement/rain room/trailer/somewhere and missed on a great opportunity. At the same time, right after The Dance, he had a new baby to consider. That would not be a good time to go on the road.

IF this is about touring without an album, it's too late to litigate this again (and it's been rehashed ad nauseum on this website)- they cannot manage to put out an album in 3 months IF Lindsey is behind it. He is a master at the guitar but he is a known tinkerer, finesse-er, craftsman. It drove John crazy. Stevie as well. Mick and Christine didn't seem to mind as much. No one will put years into an album as Lindsey has. Many other bands put out an album in a much shorter time. They go into the studio with an album that is done. Time is short for all of them. John just had a major health scare. Lindsey has a family history of heart disease and lost a brother at a very young age.

We are not privy to what really goes on, at least not until someone in this band or associated with this band writes a book, and we don't believe those either. This band will do what it feels it needs to do. We will continue to dissect and caste blame. But it gets tiring, doesn't it?

[SisterNightroad]

Originally Posted by Tango

http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-fle...172870435.html

They are a beautiful family - maybe Stella is home doing homework. Maybe they are members of The Ledge at this point. Some folks here react as if they are the children of this band, but we are just part of the vast fan base that pays money to see them perform and made them wealthy. (and don't kid yourself - they are wealthy. Too wealthy and not hungry.)

There are so many IFs in many posts of this 40 page thread. IF this is about something Lindsey said, this should be able to be negotiated. Get rid of the Tom Petty "I Won't Back Down" mentality and work it out. IF this is really about Lindsey wanting to tour solo during the Fleetwood Mac album, why not do it afterward and seize the day on the bounce he will get from people discovering and rediscovering him with the FM tour.

IF this is about Lindsey. I remember The Dance and how Stevie capitalized on it by immediately doing a three month outing for the Enchanted boxed set. Lindsey sat on the album that he had been tooling in his garage/basement/rain room/trailer/somewhere and missed on a great opportunity. At the same time, right after The Dance, he had a new baby to consider. That would not be a good time to go on the road.

IF this is about touring without an album, it's too late to litigate this again (and it's been rehashed ad nauseum on this website)- they cannot manage to put out an album in 3 months IF Lindsey is behind it. He is a master at the guitar but he is a known tinkerer, finesse-er, craftsman. It drove John crazy. Stevie as well. Mick and Christine didn't seem to mind as much. No one will put years into an album as Lindsey has. Many other bands put out an album in a much shorter time. They go into the studio with an album that is done. Time is short for all of them. John just had a major health scare. Lindsey has a family history of heart disease and lost a brother at a very young age.

We are not privy to what really goes on, at least not until someone in this band or associated with this band writes a book, and we don't believe those either. This band will do what it feels it needs to do. We will continue to dissect and caste blame. But it gets tiring, doesn't it?

I agree with you.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

I still don't understand why everyone is so sure that it all came from Stevie since it surely takes at least five to fire someone from the band; however I meant a scenario where, for example, Lindsey wants to postpone the tour because he wants some time off to work on his next solo album and tour (like Stevie did), but the band doesn't comply because partial preparations have already been made (which I suppose would lead to contractual -both financial and legal- problems), so Lindsey puts his foot down and give an ultimatum like "give me my free time or I'm out". The band members think he's bluffing so they don't yield and he goes out the door; everyone has to find a last minute substitution(s) for Lindsey on this goddamn tour and the rest is history.
Of course this is just a possible scenario, but it's consistent with the band's power play dynamics. I should write fanfictions.

Well CNN reports that it had to do with the music for the tour:

The representative would not provide any further details as to what led to his departure. A source close to the band told CNN that the split was "over musical differences regarding the tour." A representative for Buckingham referred questions to the band.

(https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/09/enter...ham/index.html)

The article also ends with this:

Buckingham also spoke to CNN about his widely publicized breakup with Nicks, which took place while the band was recording Rumours.
"There was a time when I was certainly waiting for her to come back and she never did," Buckingham said. "Then I moved on eventually, it took a long time."

And it's sort of interesting that ever since the time he finally gave up that she would ever come back (late 90s) she's been less into FM, IMHO.

[SisterNightroad]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Well CNN reports that it had to do with the music for the tour:

The representative would not provide any further details as to what led to his departure. A source close to the band told CNN that the split was "over musical differences regarding the tour." A representative for Buckingham referred questions to the band.

(https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/09/enter...ham/index.html)

The article also ends with this:

Buckingham also spoke to CNN about his widely publicized breakup with Nicks, which took place while the band was recording Rumours.
"There was a time when I was certainly waiting for her to come back and she never did," Buckingham said. "Then I moved on eventually, it took a long time."

And it's sort of interesting that ever since the time he finally gave up that she would ever come back (late 90s) she's been less into FM, IMHO.

That last line seems something rehashed from older interviews.
I see, I had forgotten about that line of the "musical differences regarding the tour." Which musical differences regarding the tour could ever warrant a break-up?