Original audio 1986 RED ROCKS. "TALK TO ME", ""Stand Back," "Outside the rain/Dreams" - Page 4

Macfan4life · #46 03-08-2017, 05:28 PM

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IA. I feel like people always talk about RAL like that was her real coked up tour but Wild Heart was almost just as bad, at least looks like it to me. Whenever I watch the videos starting from 1983 it freaks me out how obviously high she is. Her eyes are

Tbh I think after 1981/1982 was right around when Stevie Stevie got replaced with the Stevie that Lindsey described around Tango as being like a different person.

No doubt IMHO 1983 was when drugs started to affect her performance and probably daily life. She toured with Joe Walsh who said not long ago they had to break up otherwise one of them was going to die of a drug overdose. Her life in 1983 was out of control. Getting married and the reasons for marrying Kim. Then going out on the road with Joe and her boyfriend. She was still the beauty queen rock star so she could get away with those kind of crazy performances. For RAL she gained weight and by this time it there were physical changes you could see. But yes, her Wild Heart performances were definitely impacted.

TheWildHeart67 · #47 03-08-2017, 05:31 PM

I don't think she had weight issues during RAL. The weight started showing during the Tango tour.

Macfan4life · #48 03-08-2017, 05:54 PM

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I don't think she had weight issues during RAL. The weight started showing during the Tango tour.

I would not say she was fat. But for the RAL tour, her face was very bloated during RAL. She put on weight compared to 1982 or 1983. When Tango came around is when people started commenting.

dreamsunwind · #49 03-08-2017, 05:57 PM

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No doubt IMHO 1983 was when drugs started to affect her performance and probably daily life. She toured with Joe Walsh who said not long ago they had to break up otherwise one of them was going to die of a drug overdose. Her life in 1983 was out of control. Getting married and the reasons for marrying Kim. Then going out on the road with Joe and her boyfriend. She was still the beauty queen rock star so she could get away with those kind of crazy performances. For RAL she gained weight and by this time it there were physical changes you could see. But yes, her Wild Heart performances were definitely impacted.

tbh i think they broke up because he was mostly over it more than anything else. every single time i've ever heard/read him talk about their relationship he was just really seems like he wasn't all that into it/her. he said he loved her like a sister and i cringed lol. ~cocaine~

bwboy · #50 03-08-2017, 06:47 PM

Stevie did look a little heavy to me on the RAL concert video, but she looked fantastic when Tango was released and in all three music videos. So it's interesting to hear people say she was overweight during the Tango tour, too. I think the only time Stevie looked really overweight was around Street Angel, and even then she carried it well. She's healthy now so that's what's important.

svnwndrs · #51 03-08-2017, 07:46 PM

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tbh i think they broke up because he was mostly over it more than anything else. every single time i've ever heard/read him talk about their relationship he was just really seems like he wasn't all that into it/her. he said he loved her like a sister and i cringed lol. ~cocaine~

Ouch! Unfortunately this is probably true. Stevie says he was the love of her life, but I heard when he was on Howard Stern show, he said Stevie was just a "road f#©<" to him (!!!!) I hope she isn't aware of this comment. He was probably drunk when he said it anyways. But that is really harsh.

TheWildHeart67 · #52 03-09-2017, 12:56 AM

Joe Walsh seems like a TOTAL douche bag. Crass, rude and a pig. But back to the subject of Red Rocks, I find that it's an interesting subject. And NO, I do not think most video concerts are 90% re-recorded and re-shot in the studio. Do I think most ones are cleaned up a bit? Yes. But not to the extent of Red Rocks. I still hold a certain fondness for this release still. I like the original footage that remained on it. The Edge walk. The dove. The show holds tons of great memories hanging with friends, drinking Zima and blasting it from my hi-fi 120 watt speakers in my living room :-)

**SisterNightroad** · #53 03-09-2017, 04:44 AM

I think Stevie is at least somewhat aware of Joe's past comments, since he is the only ex-lover with whom she isn't very close friends with.
However as much as I don't sympathize with Joe Walsh I have to say that in more recent interviews after he's changed his life he's been talking in a much kinder and more honest way about Stevie:

BACHER: Stevie Nicks has described you as the "great, great love of [her] life." What do you think of that statement?

WALSH: [laughs] I'm very humbled by it. She's a great songwriter, a great singer and a great person. We spent about a year together, and she helped me write a bunch of music, and I helped her write her music. We had a great relationship. Romantically, it shifted, but in terms of friends and respect for each other, that's all still there. She's really a great person. Anybody who knows her will tell you that. And she's a national treasure. Anything she sings, you immediately know it's her. If it's on the radio, you don't change stations, you listen to it.

Macfan4life · #54 03-09-2017, 05:53 AM

Drugs fuel bad relationships. Stevie commented how drugs led to her and Mick hooking up for their brief relationship. She said that her and Mick were the big partiers and would be the last ones up when everyone else went home to the bed. So being the only 2 around drunk and high they just carried the party on themselves.

MakerofBirds · #55 03-09-2017, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamsunwind

tbh i think they broke up because he was mostly over it more than anything else. every single time i've ever heard/read him talk about their relationship he was just really seems like he wasn't all that into it/her. he said he loved her like a sister and i cringed lol. ~cocaine~

In Joe's defense, he was married and clearly didn't want to answer that question on Howard Stern and was very uncomfortable having to do so. I think he was being as diplomatic as he could and saying that's how he felt about her currently. Imagine being married and deeply committed to someone and someone else you were with many years ago is telling the world that you're the love of their life. What do you say to that when you're put on the spot by Howard Stern? Other comments he's made have shown his deep respect and admiration for her. It's not always easy to talk about an ex and Joe's not necessarily one who wears his heart on his sleeve.

bombaysaffires · #56 03-09-2017, 12:08 PM

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In Joe's defense, he was married and clearly didn't want to answer that question on Howard Stern and was very uncomfortable having to do so. I think he was being as diplomatic as he could and saying that's how he felt about her currently. Imagine being married and deeply committed to someone and someone else you were with many years ago is telling the world that you're the love of their life. What do you say to that when you're put on the spot by Howard Stern? Other comments he's made have shown his deep respect and admiration for her. It's not always easy to talk about an ex and Joe's not necessarily one who wears his heart on his sleeve.

saying he loved someone in the past would in no way reflect on his current love for his wife.....

He has said in the past that while they were together on the road for WH they both were monogamous and clearly he felt that it was a relationship cocooned in that tour. Once the tour ended he went back to his life off the road. But Stevie was gaga about him and wanted to continue it as a deep romance. He clearly wasn't above hooking up with her off and on after that but in between hook ups he wasn't thinking about her and pining for her-- like she was for him. And she herself has said in more recent years that she became "needy" about it all..... clingy. And that made it worse and to me anyway it sounds like he did that thing of thinking "this chick just doesn't get it. Maybe if I treat her even sh&ttier she'll finally just let it go". Coz he really did treat her crappy IMO. And she kept taking it and thinking she could make it better. Maybe drugs made him be even more of a jerk about it, but it seems like a clear case of "he's just not that into you anymore" and she was all in a romantic haze about it. And maybe drugs made her unable to see it for what it was.

She said in a recent quote that she's been with plenty of nice guys who were happy for her success and not bothered by it and not bothered by the fact that she had to go away on tour and all that but she was always more interested in the big, drama relationships. So Joe fit that bill.

gldstwmn · #57 03-09-2017, 12:27 PM

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Where can I listen to the Aussie RAL master reel?

I would try YouTube. Also there's a bootleg called Unauthorized that's supposed to be from Australia. And there's Cloaks and Daggers. That one shouldn't be too hard to find.

MakerofBirds · #58 03-09-2017, 12:29 PM

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saying he loved someone in the past would in no way reflect on his current love for his wife.....

He has said in the past that while they were together on the road for WH they both were monogamous and clearly he felt that it was a relationship cocooned in that tour. Once the tour ended he went back to his life off the road. But Stevie was gaga about him and wanted to continue it as a deep romance. He clearly wasn't above hooking up with her off and on after that but in between hook ups he wasn't thinking about her and pining for her-- like she was for him. And she herself has said in more recent years that she became "needy" about it all..... clingy. And that made it worse and to me anyway it sounds like he did that thing of thinking "this chick just doesn't get it. Maybe if I treat her even sh&ttier she'll finally just let it go". Coz he really did treat her crappy IMO. And she kept taking it and thinking she could make it better. Maybe drugs made him be even more of a jerk about it, but it seems like a clear case of "he's just not that into you anymore" and she was all in a romantic haze about it. And maybe drugs made her unable to see it for what it was.

She said in a recent quote that she's been with plenty of nice guys who were happy for her success and not bothered by it and not bothered by the fact that she had to go away on tour and all that but she was always more interested in the big, drama relationships. So Joe fit that bill.

I'm still not going to judge him for that answer when he clearly didn't want to be answering it in the first place. His discomfort is obvious, at least I thought when I watched it.

Do you have sources for all of the info above? I'd like to read them because I've never heard any of that before. I'm much more interested in Stevie and Joe's relationship than I am with her relationships with Mick or Lindsey after all these years.

gldstwmn · #59 03-09-2017, 12:39 PM

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saying he loved someone in the past would in no way reflect on his current love for his wife.....

True but a wise man knows that it's not wise to wax poetic about an old girlfriend on the radio when married. It's disrespectful.

**SisterNightroad** · #60 03-09-2017, 02:40 PM

I don't think Joe Walsh is so naive that he doesn't expect these kind of questions by Howard Stern. Apart from the fact that Stern's inopportune questions are very well-known, he and Joe are long time acquaintances, if not friends, since Joe's been his guest numerous times during his career and they've always had a lot of fun talking about personal inappropriate things together on his show, and as we know there were many times in which Joe has eagerly answered very indiscreet questions about his relationship with Stevie.