Original audio 1986 RED ROCKS. "TALK TO ME", ""Stand Back," "Outside the rain/Dreams" - Page 3

Macfan4life · #31 03-07-2017, 05:17 PM

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Have you ever been to Red Rocks? Everybody who was there (and I know many) were well on their way to being as high as Stevie. If you could handle the day long wait in the hot sun then it was a great big fun party complete with water balloons or water of any kind to cool off and a smorgasbord of substances to keep you hydrated and engaged. Then they would open the gates and you would run up those crazy stairs to get yourself and your friends the best seats, close, close, close! No one was bored or dissatisfied by any stretch of the imagination. Also there is a soundboard of No Spoken Word from August and she sounds just fine. You can't really use a low quality audience recording for comparison.
I should also note the tickets to the August show were free!

You did see the part where I said that was a joke ?

I was finding humor in the long list of things that were re-created from the original concert. Of course they were die hard fans.

bombaysaffires · #32 03-07-2017, 05:48 PM

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It's not uncommon for artists to do this especially in the 80's. There were times during that tour where she literally looked on the verge of death. I'm glad she wasn't immortalized that way.

doesn't make it any better.

the fact still remains, it's not an authentic concert video. if you're ok with that, that's great. I find it sad.

Agree that she was a total mess and it's pure luck that we still have her around. That concert could easily have become her obituary.

TheWILDheart · #33 03-08-2017, 08:11 AM

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I was surprised to know that the Tango concert was also lip synced.

The Tango video wasn't lip synched, it was a pro-shot filmed tour stop, but parts of vocals were re-recorded in the studio after it was filmed and all of Stevie's close-up's were redone, Red Rocks style. The actual performance was live though.

**SisterNightroad** · #34 03-08-2017, 08:27 AM

Both The RAL and the Tango concert videos are pro-shot actual performances with vocals partially re-recorded in the studio and additional re-shot of close-ups, in fact they have the same director.

gldstwmn · #35 03-08-2017, 11:03 AM

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doesn't make it any better.

the fact still remains, it's not an authentic concert video. if you're ok with that, that's great. I find it sad.

Agree that she was a total mess and it's pure luck that we still have her around. That concert could easily have become her obituary.

I would say that any concert video isn't 100% authentic. They always go back and fix things. The Dance was culled from two nights of performances and was also overdubbed. Live in Boston same thing. In fact didn't they go to Switzerland to dub that one? Stevie Live in Chicago same thing. Now the songs from the master reel in Australia at the end of the RAL tour, those songs seems to be untouched. She doesn't sound bad at all, ad libs a lot and definitely forgets the lyrics at times. It's also eerie the way she says that it's her last concert.

TheWildHeart67 · #36 03-08-2017, 11:18 AM

Where can I listen to the Aussie RAL master reel?

bombaysaffires · #37 03-08-2017, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I would say that any concert video isn't 100% authentic. They always go back and fix things. The Dance was culled from two nights of performances and was also overdubbed. Live in Boston same thing. In fact didn't they go to Switzerland to dub that one? Stevie Live in Chicago same thing. Now the songs from the master reel in Australia at the end of the RAL tour, those songs seems to be untouched. She doesn't sound bad at all, ad libs a lot and definitely forgets the lyrics at times. It's also eerie the way she says that it's her last concert.

yes, they do. but not to the extent of the Red Rocks video. they essentially decided that basically none of the concert close up footage of her was usable because she was such a mess. And she rambles at times and messes up and is noticeably out of it for a lot of it.

This is not your standard concert with a little sweetening to make it perfect for posterity.

This is video/audio of a woman sadly and sometimes embarrassingly wasted onstage. The tweaks are blatantly obvious (whereas most times they are fairly discreet). It's just such a blatant papering over of a drug fueled cluster**** .

It's very,very sad. I find it mostly impossible to watch. If you were a fan of hers from the 70s and recall how youthful and vibrant and California hippie girl she was, seeing her so wasted is just sad.

**SisterNightroad** · #38 03-08-2017, 02:50 PM

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yes, they do. but not to the extent of the Red Rocks video. they essentially decided that basically none of the concert close up footage of her was usable because she was such a mess. And she rambles at times and messes up and is noticeably out of it for a lot of it.

This is not your standard concert with a little sweetening to make it perfect for posterity.

This is video/audio of a woman sadly and sometimes embarrassingly wasted onstage. The tweaks are blatantly obvious (whereas most times they are fairly discreet). It's just such a blatant papering over of a drug fueled cluster**** .

It's very,very sad. I find it mostly impossible to watch. If you were a fan of hers from the 70s and recall how youthful and vibrant and California hippie girl she was, seeing her so wasted is just sad.

I think you're exaggerating a bit. As I said both the Red Rocks video concert and the Tango one have received the exact same treatment and in the latter Stevie wasn't a mess at all. I think the main reason why these two video concerts are touched up so is because of the main director's personal taste. I don't remember where but I've read that these shows were filmed purposely to look like music videos and not real concerts in true 80s style.

If it were really only because she was too wasted then they would have just not published the video, just like they've done for the Wild Heart one, now that was truly a mess. In the past Stevie has been often "sadly and sometimes embarrassingly wasted onstage" way before RAL. More than once during the Rumours Tour she risked falling off stage because she was too inebriated.

TheWildHeart67 · #39 03-08-2017, 03:05 PM

The Largo Wild Heart concert wasn't released because the lighting was too dark. In the Tango concert, Stevie felt she was too overweight

**SisterNightroad** · #40 03-08-2017, 03:15 PM

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The Largo Wild Heart concert wasn't released because the lighting was too dark. In the Tango concert, Stevie felt she was too overweight

Actually those who talked about Stevie re-shooting scenes for the video concert because she thought she looked too fat were newsstories about Red Rocks.

TheWildHeart67 · #41 03-08-2017, 03:38 PM

I heard the same thing about the Largo concert and The Stand Back video, In 1983 about her weight.

**SisterNightroad** · #42 03-08-2017, 03:58 PM

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I heard the same thing about the Largo concert and The Stand Back video, In 1983 about her weight.

I'm starting to wonder if they were the same papers that spread the cocaine in the rectum rumours.

TheWildHeart67 · #43 03-08-2017, 04:32 PM

Sisternightroad, hahahaha. That made me LOL. Seriously

Macfan4life · #44 03-08-2017, 04:58 PM

Some of you guys make me laugh.
How can it not be a legit concert performance if parts are lip synced with close ups and music red-done in the studio.
"The Tango concert was LIVE BUT there were lip synced close ups and music re-recorded in the studio".
Yeah okay

That is not the definition of a live performance in my book.
The "lighting too dark" is also funny. Nothing about the coke sweats? The coke babbles and being high as a kite?
C'mon now! "they don't play until I start"
1983 was very early signs of what 1986 was to bring. Stevie was really bad and really high on the Wild Heart Tour. I actually remember being scared watching her on stage. A strange feeling for a 13 year old's first concert

dreamsunwind · #45 03-08-2017, 05:21 PM

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1983 was very early signs of what 1986 was to bring. Stevie was really bad and really high on the Wild Heart Tour. I actually remember being scared watching her on stage. A strange feeling for a 13 year old's first concert

IA. I feel like people always talk about RAL like that was her real coked up tour but Wild Heart was almost just as bad, at least looks like it to me. Whenever I watch the videos starting from 1983 it freaks me out how obviously high she is. Her eyes are

Tbh I think after 1981/1982 was right around when Stevie Stevie got replaced with the Stevie that Lindsey described around Tango as being like a different person.