Stevie still not on board for new album.

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber

Nobody said anything about doing an album without her against her will. If she is willing to do it she should and will do it. People are just saying if she's not willing then a Stevie-less album, which likely wouldn't happen anyway, wouldn't be such a bad thing. She's held off a FM album for far too long except before she was half of songwriting. Now she's a third.

Not sure what you mean. I know no one was talking about doing something against her will. I just meant that it seems like if she is willing to do another FM album at all, she doesn't benefit by having them do one without her now and one with her later. If she'll record in 2017, I think she will record in 2015.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

Not sure what you mean. I know no one was talking about doing something against her will. I just meant that it seems like if she is willing to do another FM album at all, she doesn't benefit by having them do one without her now and one with her later. If she'll record in 2017, I think she will record in 2015.

I don't. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. The truth is, when this tour is over, she probably wants to be away from FM for awhile. The last thing she will want to do is go into a studio. The idea of going into the studio after a tour is not one that has the probability of success.

It would have been better to do an album between tour segments. I think that would have made it much more likely to happen. When I saw the new leg tour dates were starting early next year it saddened me a little. I was hoping that they would start in May or something.

Michele

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by michelej1

It would have been better to do an album between tour segments. I think that would have made it much more likely to happen. When I saw the new leg tour dates were starting early next year it saddened me a little. I was hoping that they would start in May or something.

Michele

I totally agree. They should have resumed work on the new songs throughout the spring and then commenced a summer tour where some of those new songs could be introduced.

Whenever this tour ends (more additional dates could come...) I wonder what the next step will be and when--if ever--those new "profound" songs will ever come to light.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I don't. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. The truth is, when this tour is over, she probably wants to be away from FM for awhile. The last thing she will want to do is go into a studio. The idea of going into the studio after a tour is not one that has the probability of success.

It would have been better to do an album between tour segments. I think that would have made it much more likely to happen. When I saw the new leg tour dates were starting early next year it saddened me a little. I was hoping that they would start in May or something.

Michele

I think it would have been best if they had gotten basic tracks done on a bunch of songs that included Stevie through the spring of this year so they'd have the foundation of an album well underway to go back to after the tour. Something to keep the momentum going. Right now Stevie's got nothing (tangible) invested in an album, whereas Lindsey and Christine have the real meat of an album started

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

I think it would have been best if they had gotten basic tracks done on a bunch of songs that included Stevie through the spring of this year so they'd have the foundation of an album well underway to go back to after the tour.

Yes, that might have been good to make everyone feel all in. If the band had had her demos to flesh out even, like they did in 2003, that would have been helpful. So, after the tour, they could finalize the demos and she might be inspired to give them new songs then too, like she did with SYW.

Michele

[tabruns]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I don't. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. The truth is, when this tour is over, she probably wants to be away from FM for awhile. The last thing she will want to do is go into a studio. The idea of going into the studio after a tour is not one that has the probability of success.

It would have been better to do an album between tour segments. I think that would have made it much more likely to happen. When I saw the new leg tour dates were starting early next year it saddened me a little. I was hoping that they would start in May or something.

Michele

I suspect this has to do with Nicks wanting to tour behind 24KG. But who knows?

[Matt Lucas]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

I think it would have been best if they had gotten basic tracks done on a bunch of songs that included Stevie through the spring of this year so they'd have the foundation of an album well underway to go back to after the tour. Something to keep the momentum going. Right now Stevie's got nothing (tangible) invested in an album, whereas Lindsey and Christine have the real meat of an album started

That would have been ideal.



Why does everything have to be so hard with this band?

Stevie is my least favorite of the songwriters, but I don't dislike her work. In fact, "Landslide" is possibly my all-time favorite FM song, and I would place "Sara" and "Gypsy" in my all-time FM top 20. I think "Thrown Down" and "Say You Will" are as good as Lindsey's songs on SYW.

So, the best option out there---assuming it's truly an option---is to have the full RUMOURS line-up on board for the reunion record. It's better for the chemistry, it's better for the marketing, it's better for sales.

But if Stevie wants the band to wait another six months or a year, or Stevie doesn't want to participate at all, then they should move forward and finish the thing without her.

So, help me out here. Didn't Stevie sort of wonder out loud about whether or not albums are still a viable product in the music industry these days? And yet, she has a new solo album out, presumably to complete her contract requirements? [Did we ever get official confirmation of that?]

The band really missed an opportunity with the current tour and the reunion media coverage. They should have completed a couple of the new songs and released, at the very least, another EP, to sell during the tour.

"Oh well," indeed.

mattl

[MikeVielhaber]

Originally Posted by Matt Lucas

So, help me out here. Didn't Stevie sort of wonder out loud about whether or not albums are still a viable product in the music industry these days? And yet, she has a new solo album out, presumably to complete her contract requirements? [Did we ever get official confirmation of that?]

No, in fact I don't think there's been anything suggesting that to be the case. She has said she had "free time" (while her band was in the studio) before tour rehearsals and wanted to make an album so she called up Dave Stewart and went to Nashville with her old songs. No one's ever said anything about a contractual obligation except people trying to rationalize why she was not in the studio with FM.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I don't. Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

So you're saying 16 years wasn't enough.

[Matt Lucas]

Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber

No, in fact I don't think there's been anything suggesting that to be the case. She has said she had "free time" (while her band was in the studio) before tour rehearsals and wanted to make an album so she called up Dave Stewart and went to Nashville with her old songs. No one's ever said anything about a contractual obligation except people trying to rationalize why she was not in the studio with FM.

Actually, yes, I was correct, though I think I didn't explain myself well. When I asked about Stevie making comments about albums not being viable in the current market, I didn't mean that she made those comments regarding her most recent record. I was simply trying to confirm if she'd made those comments in the recent past.

She did, indeed, make them to Rolling Stone in Dec. 2012:

"We have two new Fleetwood Mac songs and one Buckingham-Nicks song. We have new product, but I don't know what we're going to do with them. Maybe we'll throw one of them out in January and the second one in February. The music business is very different right now. I don't understand it. I don't have Internet. I don't have a MySpace Face page. I don't have all that and I don't want it. Nobody is really interested in buying albums with 14 songs on them anymore. It breaks my heart, but that's the way it is and I have to accept that.

Maybe the thing to do is release five or six songs at some point during the year. We can record four new songs and throw them out when the tour is done. I don't really know. I'm so not a part of today's music scene. I really couldn't tell you because I just don't know."

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...#ixzz3HNQtlwIf

I'm not saying she's wrong. But if releasing a full-length album isn't a good idea for Fleetwood Mac, why was it okay for her as a solo artist? This is, of course, a rhetorical question. The answer is that she's Stevie Nicks, and she'll do what she wants because it's her career. Can't blame her there!

matt

[SteveMacD]

She was justifying NOT doing another Mac album with the SYW band. She has also said that they tried doing an album without Christine, but it didn't work.

[SteveMacD]

So, for the record, she recorded an album faster than she's ever done ever, of songs most fans already had, right on the heels of Christine's return, while she had a contractual obligation with WB, but is being coy about her future with the band because of drama with Lindsey Buckingham, not because she is under contract right now??? Because something that was true two years ago is still completely the exact same situation as today? No, let's believe the drama instead of looking at the facts.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

So you're saying 16 years wasn't enough.

Well ... she hadn't been absent from Lindsey for 16 years. Maybe if she had ...

Michele

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

So, for the record, she recorded an album faster than she's ever done ever, right on the heels of Christine's return, while she had a contractual obligation with WB, but is being coy about her future with the band because of drama with Lindsey Buckingham, not because she is under contract right now???

The idea that her being under contract with WB somehow seals her lips defies all logic and past history.

Michele

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Well ... she hadn't been absent from Lindsey for 16 years. Maybe if she had ...

28 years??? That would be enough??? Really??? HER BAND is back together in full. She said that is all she needed, and now she has it.