"No Spoken Word" 1986 Red Rocks...speaking in tongues!!!

Originally posted by WednesdaysChild
I've heard old boots during shows and I'm like, Poor Sharon and Lori...with Stevie's crazy ass singing, how did they know when to do the backup parts? It would have driven me nuts!

hahaha....yeah, you can hear parts where the girls sound like they're thrown off and aren't sure whether they're supposed to be singing or not.

i heard a radio interview in 1983 where Stevie admits "i put them (backup singers) through the ringer everynight..."

Originally posted by gldstwmn
I have always believed she was saying "I don't know how to learn form some God damn motherf*cking book..." in the Red Rocks version of No Spoken Word . We've all heard the potty mouth before. Does anyone know what book she's talking aout?

I don't think she gets that explicit...since i've posted, i have put the tape on numerous times (i need to get a life) and i'm actually watching her mouth and it appears that she's saying "not from the pages (and possibly) well that goddamn whatever whatever whatever learn from a book!" i don't think we'll ever know....just like we'll never know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop....we just have to deal with it.

Just like Johnny Stew said, she probably was just fumbling over her own ad libbing.

[WednesdaysChild]

Originally posted by joe
I don't think she gets that explicit...since i've posted, i have put the tape on numerous times (i need to get a life) and i'm actually watching her mouth and it appears that she's saying "not from the pages (and possibly) well that goddamn whatever whatever whatever learn from a book!" i don't think we'll ever know....just like we'll never know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop....we just have to deal with it.

Hello? She's talking about the "Book of Love...was it someone from above? Surely he must know all the rules...tell me who wrote the book of love..." LOL

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by joe
I don't think she gets that explicit...since i've posted, i have put the tape on numerous times (i need to get a life) and i'm actually watching her mouth and it appears that she's saying "not from the pages (and possibly) well that goddamn whatever whatever whatever learn from a book!" i don't think we'll ever know....just like we'll never know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop....we just have to deal with it.

Just like Johnny Stew said, she probably was just fumbling over her own ad libbing.

The Red Rocks show was entirely re-shot. But I don't want you guys to feel bad so golly gosh, you're right. Stevie would never say something like that.

Originally posted by gldstwmn
The Red Rocks show was entirely re-shot. But I don't want you guys to feel bad so golly gosh, you're right. Stevie would never say somthing like that.

what do you mean? i know she did the close up shots later on when she looked a hell of a lot better....i also know that they filmed a few close ups after the concert on stage....is that what you're talking about?

[dissention]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
The Red Rocks show was entirely re-shot. But I don't want you guys to feel bad so golly gosh, you're right. Stevie would never say somthing like that.

Not to mention the fact that they did so much post-production on the music that it isn't even the same concert, for cripes sake! I got an upgrade of the Uncut Red Rocks boot (the old one was unlistenable) and it truly sounds like a different concert. It's quite funny to listen to, though. She kept forgetting the words to the songs and you would hear people in the audience saying "She forgot the darn words!" In the beginning of Edge of 17, some guy yells "Enough with the f*ckin' rhythm; sing the song!" And when she does...she forgets the words.

So, they did a LOT of work to it in the studio. They didn't just clean up the vocals, they completely re-dubbed most of it. The problem, though, is that they did sooooo much work to it that it doesn't even sound like Stevie; it sounds like a chipmunk.

Also, I think it's funny how they edited the video itself. The close-ups that were shot later have Stevie with a completely different hairdo than when she was onstage. And it has some bad lip-synching.

Originally posted by dissention
Not to mention the fact that they did so much post-production on the music that it isn't even the same concert, for cripes sake! I got an upgrade of the Uncut Red Rocks boot (the old one was unlistenable) and it truly sounds like a different concert. It's quite funny to listen to, though. She kept forgetting the words to the songs and you would hear people in the audience saying "She forgot the darn words!" In the beginning of Edge of 17, some guy yells "Enough with the f*ckin' rhythm; sing the song!" And when she does...she forgets the words.

So, they did a LOT of work to it in the studio. They didn't just clean up the vocals, they completely re-dubbed most of it. The problem, though, is that they did sooooo much work to it that it doesn't even sound like Stevie; it sounds like a chipmunk.

Also, I think it's funny how they edited the video itself. The close-ups that were shot later have Stevie with a completely different hairdo than when she was onstage. And it has some bad lip-synching.

wow! i'm really getting a learning experience this week from the Ledge....i don't have the Red Rocks uncut concert...have always been meaning to get it....so, they must have redubbed her vocals?

when i first bought the video i remember thinking "why does she sound like she's on helium?" when you listen to other shows on the RAL tour she doesn't sound like that at all. it didn't make sense....NOW it makes sense.

so, back to the original thread....you mean she probably had to re-ad lib her incoherent babbling? i wonder how hard that was. i'm sure she herself said "what the hell was i saying there?"

[dissention]

Originally posted by joe
wow! i'm really getting a learning experience this week from the Ledge....i don't have the Red Rocks uncut concert...have always been meaning to get it....so, they must have redubbed her vocals?

when i first bought the video i remember thinking "why does she sound like she's on helium?" when you listen to other shows on the RAL tour she doesn't sound like that at all. it didn't make sense....NOW it makes sense.

so, back to the original thread....you mean she probably had to re-ad lib her incoherent babbling? i wonder how hard that was. i'm sure she herself said "what the hell was i saying there?"

Yeah, they re-dubbed most of the vocals. It's a good thing when you consider how bad the live vocal was to begin with. It was towards the end of the tour and her voice was pretty much shot. They got rid of a lot of the "well, well" kinda stuff, "processed" the many parts where her voice cracked (every other note!) and had to add new parts where she flubbed the lyrics. It's almost a completely different concert. I like to refer to it as "Stevie: Live In the Studio."

[gldstwmn]

It's hard to know which parts of the show were Red Rocks and which parts were post production. She probably doesn't even know.

i definately need to get my hands on the raw version.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by joe
She walks in with the armload of stuffed animals and flowers and one of the guys (possibly Waddy) says "hey mother f*****!" and she replies "ahhhh, what did you say boy?!

I always heard it as, "Ahhh, what is this language?!!"
Very funny little exchange.

And gldstwmn... it's not that I don't think Stevie would ever talk like that, I just honestly don't see that as something she would sing in one of her songs. How ever coked-up and out of control she might have been at the time.

Look at the other swearing instances... on stage in Bristol, because she was severely angry at the security guards... and on those master-recordings tapes, in a studio with her friends.

Beyond that, I can't think of any other instance where she has sworn on stage, or in an interview.

She simply tried to ad-lib in "No Spoken Word," goofed, and ended up babbling.

[Mystical88]

Originally posted by dissention
Exactly.

I've never heard any swearing in the Red Rocks version of No Spoken Word. Everytime I listen to it, I hear "And not, not, not, not from a book!!"

I agree also! I have not heard her say those things either. And she has been more should we say high on other things and have done fine. Look at SNL Sable on Blonde after the song she kinda falls into Waddy. He stops her. But she sang it like a pro. And wasn't it the times too? It's rock & Roll!

Originally posted by Mystical88
I agree also! I have not heard her say those things either. And she has been more should we say high on other things and have done fine. Look at SNL Sable on Blonde after the song she kinda falls into Waddy. He stops her. But she sang it like a pro. And wasn't it the times too? It's rock & Roll!

I think you mean Nightbird? I think i remember her taking a few steps back to grab his hand or something...

[Mystical88]

Yes Night bird Thank you

[David]

Originally posted by dissention
Yeah, they re-dubbed most of the vocals. It's a good thing when you consider how bad the live vocal was to begin with. It was towards the end of the tour and her voice was pretty much shot. They got rid of a lot of the "well, well" kinda stuff, "processed" the many parts where her voice cracked (every other note!) and had to add new parts where she flubbed the lyrics. It's almost a completely different concert. I like to refer to it as "Stevie: Live In the Studio."

She's destroyed so many of her products that way -- concert broadcasts like the US Festival 2, Oakland 1983 (an authentic "Beauty & the Beast" but a fake "Stand Back" & "Leather & Lace"), the Red Rocks video, the San Fran Cow Palace video from 1987, the House of Blues broadcast from 1994, etc.

The Weedsport radio show from 1986 is real, thank goodness, only it was just a standard performance.

Had Stevie or her management had any brains at that point, they would have filmed several shows, like Red Rocks & Madison Square Garden & Landover & Jones Beach, & picked the best & kept it genuine. I would have been totally pleased with a video of the great MSG or Jones Beach shows.

But when you put people like Marty Callner & Chris Nicks in charge of something, you're going to get exactly what you deserve: a "Cream Cheese Production."

Originally posted by David
But when you put people like Marty Callner & Chris Nicks in charge of something, you're going to get exactly what you deserve: a "Cream Cheese Production."

i think the "stand back" from the cow palace is one of the worst vocals ever....her voice sounds so phony....there's no depth to it at all.

i still love the Red Rocks show though...there's a certain drama to it...it's like her "The Rose" you know? she may have been high on coke but she didn't seem as giddy as some of the other shows i saw that year....there was a real seriousness to that show...it's like she knew that was the end of that era for her. my favorite part is when she's spazzing out at the end of "Edge of Seventeen".

how about the Tusk documentary concert footage? Although there was no overdubbing that i can tell, they did add some additional audience noise in there. it sounds like they sped it up or something. i can hear some guy yelling "Fleetwood!" in about every song...but it's the same loop cause you can hear the same whistles over and over again. On either "Angel" or "Not That Funny" the crowd is applauding after the first few lines...it's like "yeah, ok...the audience doesn't even know what song it is"...when you listen to the soundboard the audience sounds normal. well, despite the guy that yells "ROCK AND ROLL" a million times throughout the concert most noticeably during the beginning of "Sara". I think Christine at that point even turns to see who the hell is screaming like a banshee.