Stevie's everywhere except in the studio.

[BlueDenimLamp]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

That's what I mean to say in my short, slightly frustrated, posts. I don't like her accusations about not being happy with how her songs turned out on SYW. She's part of that endproduct. If she's not, she has NOTHING to say about it. She has to be there to be part of a bandproduct. Otherwise, she will never be satisfied in hindsight, simply because sales are against her (too high?) expectations. She still is happy about IYD. Even if it didn't sell what she envisioned. Why? Because she was constantly part of the process, it's her album. She just needs to be there. Christine's there, so the SYWprocess is NOT being copied. Be a band for christ sake.

Christine's return won't make one bit of difference in the way Lindsey treats Stevie and or her songs in the studio...Maybe instead of blaming Stevie for FM's troubles you should be blaming Lindsey and his Ayatollah control freak king **** producer attitude...Dave Stewart didn't wear his control freak hat to Stevie's house in fact he respected and embraced Stevie and her songs and did everything he could to get Stevie's songs the way SHE wanted them (and we all know how happy Stevie is with the end result) whereas Lindsey will fight and argue and do everything he can to get Stevie's songs/things the way HE not Stevie want's them... See the difference here???
Fleetwood Mac could have a great "Farewell album" if Lindsey would just loose the attitude...

[BlueDenimLamp]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Be a band for christ sake.

FM stopped being a band a long time ago...Yes they have made attempts at new music but is it really anything more than Lindsey wanting to wear the "Big Producer" hat again???You have to give them credit though because FM is one of the best traveling oldies shows around...

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp

Christine's return won't make one bit of difference in the way Lindsey treats Stevie and or her songs in the studio...Maybe instead of blaming Stevie for FM's troubles you should be blaming Lindsey and his Ayatollah control freak king s**t producer attitude...Dave Stewart didn't wear his control freak hat to Stevie's house in fact he respected and embraced Stevie and her songs and did everything he could to get Stevie's songs the way she wanted them (and we all know how happy Stevie is with the end result) whereas Lindsey will fight and argue and do everything he can to get Stevie's songs the way HE not Stevie want's them... See the difference here???
Fleetwood Mac could have a great "Farewell album" if Lindsey would just loose the attitude...

Ah. Stuff it. What a crap remark. If he was such a ayatollah, Christine would not say that demo-ing in march was so in great chemistry. And IYD is a generic faceless result. We are not Talking about a Nicks Solo album here, but a FM album. That needs Lindsey! but you want a Nicks solo album.

If they want a fleetwood mac album, make one, with all 5 of them.Whatever it may cost in personal tension. Or back off.

Like Christine said recently: he can be a controlfreak, but That's his job. They all know that. I'm sure he mellowed. Last time was frikken twelve years ago. He did three solo albums in between. He shows in everything that his mindset changed. If you don't see that, you don't want to.

Btw, I don't blame anybody. I just don't understand why you want to ge a fivepiece again and then back out on 5 piece recording. I blame all 5 that she's not there.

[nicole21290]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I couldn't disagree more. In fact, I don't think they really like working with each other these days.

Onstage or just in the studio? Because it would be easy to find a hundred or so photos to disprove the former and show how happy they were. The last few tours Lindsey's specifically talked about his vested interest in using the tour to build and strengthen his relationship with Stevie. In regards to the studio, they certainly seemed to enjoy it just fine for their previous two experiences (EP and IYD) - the former being a time where they spent four days on Lindsey's home turf, got the work done and spent much time laughing, crying and reminiscing, where the latter apparently, according to them, brought them closer together than they'd been for over 30 years. Granted, these were shorter experiences and so different but certainly, not like working together at all? I think there's been some hesitance, particularly on Stevie's end, because she recognises the potential damage that can be done to their relationship when they're cooped up working together for long. It happens to the best of people and they have a particular danger because of their history and their own characters/personalities. I remain amused by Stevie talking about the SA experience as teaching her that they could work together and not be so 'Lindsey and Stevie', lol. It's a balancing act.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

Onstage or just in the studio? Because it would be easy to find a hundred or so photos to disprove the former and show how happy they were. The last few tours Lindsey's specifically talked about his vested interest in using the tour to build and strengthen his relationship with Stevie. In regards to the studio, they certainly seemed to enjoy it just fine for their previous two experiences (EP and IYD) - the former being a time where they spent four days on Lindsey's home turf, got the work done and spent much time laughing, crying and reminiscing, where the latter apparently, according to them, brought them closer together than they'd been for over 30 years. Granted, these were shorter experiences and so different but certainly, not like working together at all? I think there's been some hesitance, particularly on Stevie's end, because she recognises the potential damage that can be done to their relationship when they're cooped up working together for long. It happens to the best of people and they have a particular danger because of their history and their own characters/personalities. I remain amused by Stevie talking about the SA experience as teaching her that they could work together and not be so 'Lindsey and Stevie', lol. It's a balancing act.

Talking about more in the studio. But the photos and quotes don't convince me either, as I believe it's quite the act. I don't see the love that you do. Having said that, I wish they were a little more invested in each other. (Especially musically) But again, I respectfully disagree with the notion that these two want to be around each other more than they have to.

[sue]

Its a job, and she'll have to go to the office sooner or later.
Admittedly a very well paid job, that brings great pleasure to many millions of us.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by sue

Its a job, and she'll have to go to the office sooner or later.
Admittedly a very well paid job, that brings great pleasure to many millions of us.

Sue, imagine getting paid every 2 weeks with that paycheck!

[sue]

The imaginations good but not that good !!!!
Where would I spend it mmmmm drugs, sex, and rock and roll.
(Oh no they did that already )

[brickney723]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

Onstage or just in the studio? Because it would be easy to find a hundred or so photos to disprove the former and show how happy they were. The last few tours Lindsey's specifically talked about his vested interest in using the tour to build and strengthen his relationship with Stevie. In regards to the studio, they certainly seemed to enjoy it just fine for their previous two experiences (EP and IYD) - the former being a time where they spent four days on Lindsey's home turf, got the work done and spent much time laughing, crying and reminiscing, where the latter apparently, according to them, brought them closer together than they'd been for over 30 years. Granted, these were shorter experiences and so different but certainly, not like working together at all? I think there's been some hesitance, particularly on Stevie's end, because she recognises the potential damage that can be done to their relationship when they're cooped up working together for long. It happens to the best of people and they have a particular danger because of their history and their own characters/personalities. I remain amused by Stevie talking about the SA experience as teaching her that they could work together and not be so 'Lindsey and Stevie', lol. It's a balancing act.

THIS. You'd have to believe that almost everything that comes out of Lindsey's mouth is a lie not to believe that one of his primary motivations is spending time/working with her. He's the one that who had talked about what it would mean to him to get back to doing something along the lines of what they had before FM, about how much he would love building songs with her from the ground-up, about how great it would be doing something with just the two of them- promoting BN, etc. Not to mention- they've got a few chapters, etc etc to learn.. to discover.. about each other! I agree, SHE is hesitant to go into the studio with him. She's afraid to screw with this hard-won truce she's finally got going with him.

[BlueDenimLamp]

Originally Posted by sue

Its a job, and she'll have to go to the office sooner or later.
Admittedly a very well paid job, that brings great pleasure to many millions of us.

The touring paycheck is huge compared to the peanuts she would make being on a new FM record so she may be at the point where she's thinking the effort/stress of recording with FM (like it has been in the past) just isn't worth the return... It's not like FM will do anything if she doesn't show up at the office...

[MikeVielhaber]

Originally Posted by brickney723

THIS. You'd have to believe that almost everything that comes out of Lindsey's mouth is a lie not to believe that one of his primary motivations is spending time/working with her. He's the one that who had talked about what it would mean to him to get back to doing something along the lines of what they had before FM, about how much he would love building songs with her from the ground-up, about how great it would be doing something with just the two of them- promoting BN, etc. Not to mention- they've got a few chapters, etc etc to learn.. to discover.. about each other! I agree, SHE is hesitant to go into the studio with him. She's afraid to screw with this hard-won truce she's finally got going with him.

Maybe if we're talking live, but in the studio Lindsey just wants to make music. That's why he recorded all his songs without Stevie and he's currently working on Christine's songs without Stevie. It can't be a "primary" motivation when he can't have realistic expectations that she's going to be heavily involved in the process. Lindsey is an artist who needs to make music. That's his motivation. Stevie apparently could take it or leave it.

[BlueDenimLamp]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Ah. Stuff it. What a crap remark. If he was such a ayatollah, Christine would not say that demo-ing in march was so in great chemistry. And IYD is a generic faceless result. We are not Talking about a Nicks Solo album here, but a FM album. That needs Lindsey! but you want a Nicks solo album.

If they want a fleetwood mac album, make one, with all 5 of them.Whatever it may cost in personal tension. Or back off.

Like Christine said recently: he can be a controlfreak, but That's his job. They all know that. I'm sure he mellowed. Last time was frikken twelve years ago. He did three solo albums in between. He shows in everything that his mindset changed. If you don't see that, you don't want to.

Btw, I don't blame anybody. I just don't understand why you want to ge a fivepiece again and then back out on 5 piece recording. I blame all 5 that she's not there.

You're missing the point...All Lindsey/the band has to do is record a couple of songs Stevie's way and the new FM album could be done...Lindsey gets to have his songs the way he wants them and I would bet the farm that LB is on his best studio behavior ever and doing everything in his power to make sure things are the way CM is asking him on her songs right now...So why can't Stevie get the same with her songs??? I think that's all she want's...Don't you think that a FM record where all are having a great time will be better than a record where they (Stevie) were miserable during the recording process???

[brickney723]

Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber

Maybe if we're talking live, but in the studio Lindsey just wants to make music. That's why he recorded all his songs without Stevie and he's currently working on Christine's songs without Stevie. It can't be a "primary" motivation when he can't have realistic expectations that she's going to be heavily involved in the process. Lindsey is an artist who needs to make music. That's his motivation. Stevie apparently could take it or leave it.

Within the context of FM, I think Lindsey is always crossing his fingers and hoping for more from her, tbh.. he can't always get what he wants- I think this is what he means by it still being a political situation getting everyone on the same page. I'm just saying in the future, if she was truly done with Fleetwood Mac, I think he would be too. He'd be back to solo work.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp

You're missing the point...All Lindsey/the band has to do is record a couple of songs Stevie's way and the new FM album could be done...Lindsey gets to have his songs the way he wants them and I would bet the farm that LB is on his best studio behavior ever and doing everything in his power to make sure things are the way CM is asking him on her songs right now...

I doubt that, because that's not what Christine wants or needs on her songs. I think she likes the back and forth that they have together, the collaboration.

If Stevie doesn't want to work with Lindsey she doesn't have to. They don't get along. He doesn't have to be painted as a bully to justify her not wanting to make music with him.

Michele

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Having said that, I wish they were a little more invested in each other. (Especially musically) But again, I respectfully disagree with the notion that these two want to be around each other more than they have to.

Yes, I think what Lindsey wanted was to keep making new music that they could perform as FM and just to get her in the studio for that purpose, so the lucrative touring that they all want wouldn't remain quite the nostalgia act it has become.

Michele