philip seymour hoffman found dead-

[MoonSister75]

Originally Posted by Dex

I totally get it. People get into mindsets where they don't think long-term because their lives and mental states are such that it's just depressing for them, so they go into short-term-gratification-only mode, and try things that are awesome for a short while without worrying about the horrifying payback to come. It happens all the time. And it's very sad. But it does make sense to me. If you don't get it, it probably means you're a sweet and good person with a reasonably happy life. Cherish that.

I totally get it too. I've never been into heroine (thank heavens) but I understand those kind of mental states, and the short-term-gratification-only mode that leads to drugs. Heroine seems like a particularly evil thing, that is very difficult to break away from.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by MoonSister75

I totally get it too. I've never been into heroine (thank heavens) but I understand those kind of mental states, and the short-term-gratification-only mode that leads to drugs. Heroine seems like a particularly evil thing, that is very difficult to break away from.

Just to be funny here, you know, to break the pall that hangs over this thread, here goes: To be a heroine is a good thing because you usually have saved someone's life but to be doing Heroin usually means you are on the road to ending a life.

[MoonSister75]

Originally Posted by vivfox

Just to be funny here, you know, to break the pall that hangs over this thread, here goes: To be a heroine is a good thing because you usually have saved someone's life but to be doing Heroin usually means you are on the road to ending a life.

ah yes - thanks for pointing out that typo! Oh well, if it lightened the thread that's a good thing. It was getting a bit heavy in here...

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Because it makes you feel absolutely incredible. Not condoning it, nor have I actually done it but I have done things in the same family that are 1 tenth the strength of heroin and can just understand the desire to feel that good. The risk scares me away. But the risks don't scare everyone away. Again not condoning just giving you a "why" louie

I come from a family of addicts... coke, meth, crack. Thankfully, that predisposition did not effect me, but I am thoroughly versed in addiction by proximity. I guess I just can't understand why anyone would ever touch heroin all the same. There are other drugs that I understand to have similar effects. Heroin is just so deadly- we've lost so many creative talents to it:

Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, River Phoenix, Cory Monteith, John Belushi, Dee Dee Ramone, Howie Epstein, Chris Farley, Chris Kelly, Brad Renfro, and now Philip Seymour Hoffman.

...These are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head. I watched a segment last night on the "heroin epidemic." Appareantly heroin kills half of it's users. HALF. That's astounding. And usage of the drug has doubled in the past 5 years.

[chiliD]

Not that I condone heroin usage, but I think the "KILLER" isn't so much the heroin itself, but what the pushers/traffickers use to cut it with..arsenic, rat poison, etc.

From reading Keith Richards' Life, he said he's survived because 1) due to England's social medicine, he registered with the government that he's an addict, so he can get medical grade pure heroin directly from "National Health" instead of having to risk buying the cut-up stuff off the street (He also said that the couple of times that he got stuff from "the street", he was extremely paranoid about doing it); and 2) he didn't ABuse it. He would use just what he needed to get to a certain "high" and that was it. Instead of taking another hit when he started coming down (and repeat over & over), he would just ride the one hit through to its conclusion. Then maybe go a couple of days before doing it again. As opposed to most addicts who are looking for the next hit just a few minutes after doing one, until they eventually OD.

But, still, it is sad to lose another celebrity to the drug. As with Mental Health, maybe the Medical Complex should delve a little deeper into pain, pain medication & pain relief and look for alternatives to the Narcotic family of pain medication as pain relief.

[TrueFaith77]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, River Phoenix, Cory Monteith, John Belushi, Dee Dee Ramone, Howie Epstein, Chris Farley, Chris Kelly, Brad Renfro, and now Philip Seymour Hoffman.

I love Brad Renfro. RIP.