Ken Caillat Trashes Lindsey In His New Book

[WildHearted]

What's done is done, yes, but that doesn't make what happened any less important. Ken obviously doesn't have the right to slander anyone - but if that is what happened, then he has the right to tell it.

That said, whatever happened in the past I think Lindsey has dealt with his demons now in whatever way whether it be through professional help or not, and is a better man for it - as so many close to him also seem to say.

I've also never heard of the Lindsey calling Stevie a b**** (publicly lol) before - can someone elaborate?

And in regards to the varying stories regarding the Tango incident - who went after who first isn't really all that relevant, ultimately, and doesn't discredit the event. The point was that they got in a physical fight - that's what everyone could agree on - no? And it's interesting that Stevie herself was the one who said she instigated it, incriminating herself, while others had different stories. Which could very well be true, of course, it's just always seemed a bit ironic somehow.

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by Travisevian

How is this "trashing" him?

Agreed. The title of the thread is pretty inflammatory... I'd understand if this was the first time someone from the Mac inner circle has recounted acts of physical aggression/violence from Lindsey. But that's not the case... quite a few people from Lindsey's past have brought to light stories of violent behavior from the man. Mick, Stevie, Christine, and John have all spoken on the record about Lindsey's past violence. Obviously there's Carol Ann Harris' rather dubious claims as well. Despite this, some fans continue to stick their heads in the sand every time a new/different story surfaces from a credible source, and blame absolutely everyone but Lindsey himself. Just because Lindsey is an extraordinary musician doesn't make him an extraordinary person.

[Amlyn]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

I've also never heard of the Lindsey calling Stevie a b**** (publicly lol) before - can someone elaborate?

He didn't call the Stevie of today a B. I was there and if memory serves, the interviewer asked him about the time during the Rumours recording sessions and what introducing the songs spewing about the other was like...and long story short the interviewer said something along the line of "What did you do just walk in there and go, look at my new song...Go Your Own Way." To which Lindsey responded with a big cackle, and i'm paraphrasing slightly, but "sure yeah, something like Go Your Own You...you B..."

And he said it with a big grin and laugh and i just translated that as the fact that there was soooo much tension and anger and unresolved issues at the time and looking back at it he just blamed her for him being so miserable. It was a reminiscent memory, not some malicious comment or some violent dive deep into his soul channeling some demonic rage from 1977 that keeps him from functioning today.

For what it's worth, he had other potty mouth moments that night so to me it was all just par for the course.

At least IMO.

I have the audio if anyone needs/wants to hear it again.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

Agreed. The title of the thread is pretty inflammatory... I'd understand if this was the first time someone from the Mac inner circle has recounted acts of physical aggression/violence from Lindsey. But that's not the case... quite a few people from Lindsey's past have brought to light stories of violent behavior from the man. Mick, Stevie, Christine, and John have all spoken on the record about Lindsey's past violence. Obviously there's Carol Ann Harris' rather dubious claims as well. Despite this, some fans continue to stick their heads in the sand every time a new/different story surfaces from a credible source, and blame absolutely everyone but Lindsey himself.

I think blaming someone would be saying they deserve to get strangled, kicked, or guitar thrown. No one has said Stevie, Ken, or CAH deserved that. Questioning a story or different versions of an event is not tantamount to blaming the victim or absolving Lindsey.

For instance, with New Zealand, I don't doubt that Lindsey did something, but I have no idea what he did, because Mick said one thing, Christine never said (just acknowledged throwing her drink at him, after he did what he did) and Stevie first said she couldn't remember, that he kicked her or something and then, years later, she added a guitar to the scenario and said she ducked it. If she'd said it had missed her, I might believe it. But thinking that she ducked it is a little much. I don't think he threw a guitar at her on stage in New Zealand. I'm not blaming her or forgiving Lindsey. He may well have beat her with a guitar after they completed Soldier's Angel and that's why she decided to tour with Rod Stewart again and ditched FM for 2012.

Michele

[David]

Originally Posted by holidayroad

Who knows how much truth there is to any of these 'strangling/choking' incidents.

You have Mick saying in his book that Lindsey attacked Stevie. You have Stevie in more than one place saying that she is the one who attacked Lindsey. Stevie's own words (from Lindsey's Behind the Music)
"I think I got up and ran across the room and tried to kill him. I think I ran and attacked him."

Just the fact that there are different accounts of that incident leaves me to doubt the others.

Even more pertinent, all the varying (or slightly varying) accounts all stem from the account in the Mick Fleetwood book. One account predates all the others, as far as I know.

Does anyone remember the Timothy White cover story of the band in a 1989 issue of Musician magazine? The article started: "The high priestess of rock is spitting mad ..." or something like that. The 1987 blowup is the springboard for the article, but I don't recall a specific reference made to physical violence at the showdown meeting over the tour. So Mick's book (1990) is the very first mention ever -- even in the sleazoid press (which broke other big stories, like Stevie's abortion & Mick's affair with Stevie & even John's drug bust in 1980).

The fact that one book can be pinpointed as the single source of the stories about Lindsey beating everybody up doesn't mean the stories aren't true--only that the book must have reminded everyone involved of something that happened, & they all proceeded to riff on their drug- and age-addled memories.

I laughed & even farted when I read iamnotafraid's referring to LB as "strangler." I picture this sort of Monty Pythonish figure, wrapped in a red papal gown, running around & strangling members of Fleetwood Mac & shrieking, "Nooooooobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by David

I laughed & even farted when I read iamnotafraid's referring to LB as "strangler." I picture this sort of Monty Pythonish figure, wrapped in a red papal gown, running around & strangling members of Fleetwood Mac & shrieking, "Nooooooobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

Still lovin' this board!

[kencaillat]

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

It's likely there is no ill-will between them. They are friends/associates with a long history. It's normal for relationships to change or fade over time, due to the varying circumstances of life.

It's not surprising to hear that Lindsey is "too much work to deal with" or that he might have some anger-control issues. Despite the strangling accusation, Ken still appears to respect Lindsey's talent. His comments reflect feelings about what he experienced working with Lindsey. It's nothing we didn't already know. No one is perfect, not even Lindsey!

Hi there, my wife just told me about these posts. In context, the strangling thing happened in the heat of LB trying to get a guitar solo and I mentioned it only to show what kind of energy and passion it takes to create a guitar solo like on Go your Own way. He apologized for putting his hands on my throat and we never talked about it again. My book tells what it takes to make a great album.
Ken Caillat

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by Amlyn

He didn't call the Stevie of today a B. I was there and if memory serves, the interviewer asked him about the time during the Rumours recording sessions and what introducing the songs spewing about the other was like...and long story short the interviewer said something along the line of "What did you do just walk in there and go, look at my new song...Go Your Own Way." To which Lindsey responded with a big cackle, and i'm paraphrasing slightly, but "sure yeah, something like Go Your Own You...you B..."

And he said it with a big grin and laugh and i just translated that as the fact that there was soooo much tension and anger and unresolved issues at the time and looking back at it he just blamed her for him being so miserable. It was a reminiscent memory, not some malicious comment or some violent dive deep into his soul channeling some demonic rage from 1977 that keeps him from functioning today.

For what it's worth, he had other potty mouth moments that night so to me it was all just par for the course.

At least IMO.

I have the audio if anyone needs/wants to hear it again.

Thanks for clarifying the "Lindsey called Stevie a B" incidence. I could tell he was laughing (and everyone else did too). Of course, I am quite sure he called her that in less jestful moments... and she has referred to herself that way...and has called him names too - according to Ken!

Originally Posted by michelej1

He may well have beat her with a guitar after they completed Soldier's Angel and that's why she decided to tour with Rod Stewart again and ditched FM for 2012.

Michele

Ha! Now, Michele - don't start THAT rumour!

[kencaillat]

Hi there, my wife just told me about these posts. In context, the strangling/choking thing happened in the heat of LB trying to get a guitar solo and I mentioned it only to show what kind of energy and passion it takes to create a great guitar solo like on "Go your Own Way". He apologized for putting his hands on my throat and we never talked about it again. My book only tells what it takes to make a great album.
And I've never played golf with Lindsey or his wife.
Ken Caillat

[MrStevie]

Originally Posted by kencaillat

Hi there, my wife just told me about these posts. In context, the strangling/choking thing happened in the heat of LB trying to get a guitar solo and I mentioned it only to show what kind of energy and passion it takes to create a great guitar solo like on "Go your Own Way". He apologized for putting his hands on my throat and we never talked about it again. My book only tells what it takes to make a great album.
And I've never played golf with Lindsey or his wife.
Ken Caillat

Thanks Ken! Before you go would you mind clarifying how the strangler got his hands around your neck while playing guitar? Is that in the book?

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by kencaillat

Hi there, my wife just told me about these posts. In context, the strangling/choking thing happened in the heat of LB trying to get a guitar solo and I mentioned it only to show what kind of energy and passion it takes to create a great guitar solo like on "Go your Own Way". He apologized for putting his hands on my throat and we never talked about it again. My book only tells what it takes to make a great album.
And I've never played golf with Lindsey or his wife.
Ken Caillat

It's not the first time we have read in a book, and/or interviews that Lindsey had choked another person. I believe if that's what really happened that it's not trash at all. I want to hear the real story of how much emotion was spent making an album that sold 16 million copies that year. Thank you for your honesty.

[MrStevie]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

It's not the first time we have read in a book, and/or interviews that Lindsey had choked another person.

You're right. It's not the second, or even the third. Are we finally at a point we can ask...who hasn't been strangled by Lindsey Buckingham?

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by Silver Springs

. When we see him with his children, do we see them doing any less than loving him and existing in a happy family? Children are highly perceptive. If there were any residual issues with him, we'd see it in how the children react to him.

Have you ever seen those old home movies with Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun frolicking amomgst those happy looking children?

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by kencaillat

Hi there, my wife just told me about these posts. In context, the strangling/choking thing happened in the heat of LB trying to get a guitar solo and I mentioned it only to show what kind of energy and passion it takes to create a great guitar solo like on "Go your Own Way". He apologized for putting his hands on my throat and we never talked about it again. Ken Caillat

The original quote from your book:Lindsey and I never discussed his trying to strangle me back in Miami, even though I often thought about it when he walked into the studio, especially in the days and weeks after it happened."


I'm confused now.

[Silver Springs]

Originally Posted by vivfox

Have you ever seen those old home movies with Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun frolicking amomgst those happy looking children?

Did I really just read you comparing Lindsey to a genocidic Dictator?