The albums that dare not speak their names

[PenguinHead]

Originally Posted by UndoingTheLaces

I remember when she did the whole "Uplugged" section of her Enchanted show. I'd love to see something like that. Cyndi Lauper has totally reinvented some of her classics. She Bop now sounds like a sultry torch song you'd hear in a french coffee shop and Girls Just Want To Have Fun has gone through many changes. I could totally see Stevie reinventing some of her songs into something new. Look how much fun the Deep Dish version of Dreams was. Can you imagine a stripped down Rooms On Fire with just a big grand piano. Or a remake of I Sing For The Things with a string quartet.

Nice ideas, but I don't think Stevie will ever venture into those creative ways of reinvention. A good example of that is her misadventure with the Melbourne Symphony. That show, I think, was recorded and was intended to be a DVD/CD.
I surmise that one of the reasons it was shelved was because it wasn't approached properely, and the results were inefficient. A huge mistep and missed opportunity.

Listening to the bootleg recording (and reading the reviews), it was clear that not a lot of thought was put into adapting her songs to work with the orchestra. Instead, her band just played the songs as usual , drowning out the orchestra. No creative arrangments were developed, and her set list was not changed. She could have picked more appropriate songs to suit the setting.

Elton John was very successful with it. He made the effort.

[Nathan]

^^^
true.

fantastic ideas.
vvv

Originally Posted by UndoingTheLaces

I remember when she did the whole "Uplugged" section of her Enchanted show. I'd love to see something like that. Cyndi Lauper has totally reinvented some of her classics. She Bop now sounds like a sultry torch song you'd hear in a french coffee shop and Girls Just Want To Have Fun has gone through many changes. I could totally see Stevie reinventing some of her songs into something new. Look how much fun the Deep Dish version of Dreams was. Can you imagine a stripped down Rooms On Fire with just a big grand piano. Or a remake of I Sing For The Things with a string quartet.

[AliceLover]

For what its worth, Stevie recently said to an Aussie reporter that she hasn't seen such a good reaction to a record (IYD) since OSOTM.

Also, 3 years ago she did an interview for Crystal Visions and commented on OSOTM saying: "I loved the way those songs turned out, and still do, actually."

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by TheWILDheart

Funnily enough, Stevie sound checked "Whole Lotta Trouble" in 2010 for the "this is not a tour" tour. I think in the case of RAL and OSOTM

Woah. Really? Does any recording of this one exist? That would be amazing.

Isn't Whole Lotta Trouble the song that Sharon/Lori said made them feel like a dork when they sang it? Maybe Stevie isn't to blame afterall.

[markolas]

Originally Posted by AliceLover

For what its worth, Stevie recently said to an Aussie reporter that she hasn't seen such a good reaction to a record (IYD) since OSOTM.

Also, 3 years ago she did an interview for Crystal Visions and commented on OSOTM saying: "I loved the way those songs turned out, and still do, actually."

Well, that's heartening. If it's just "Rooms on Fire" she has a problem with, there are 11 other songs from that album she could pick from.

I'm glad to hear that she at least mentioned the album and that she still has a favorable opinion of it.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by TheWILDheart

Funnily enough, Stevie sound checked "Whole Lotta Trouble" in 2010 for the "this is not a tour" tour. I think in the case of RAL and OSOTM, it's not that she doesn't like those songs, but is maybe lacking in confidence to perform them again after so long.

With Street Angel, we know how unhappy she was with the album and the criticism she got on that tour for her weight (rather than her voice, which was actually pretty amazing that year), so I can understand why she wouldn't want reminding of that. It's a great shame, as there are some great songs on SA that she could really do well today

1) God, I HATE Whole Lotta Trouble. I have no desire to hear it live ever again.
2) I think that's the main reason - she just really does NOT like the way that album turned out. Remember she said it was done, then she went to rehab & listened to it when she got out & hated it? Then she tried to fix it but couldn't? Something like that. TBQH, I don't think that any casual fans would care to hear any SA material live. Just us crazies.

Originally Posted by markolas

So apparently the just *listened* to the song and decided it was too hard. I find that a bit annoying, to be honest. It just sounds so lazy.

I love that he doesn't remember the names of any of the songs. "What was the fast one?" "What was the one named after a gin company?"

Seriously. Like, didn't even bother to attempt it?

Originally Posted by markolas

Yeah, there was a bunch of stuff in that interview that I'd forgotten. He really does try to get her to sing different songs. Interesting about him saying that Stevie felt like she couldn't pull off "Talk to Me" vocally anymore. I know it was a big hit, but it's not huge favorite of mine, and the live versions I've heard were just...meh. There are definitely songs that I think would be hard for her to do these days, but like I say...there's at least an equal amount that she'd have no problem with.

"I Sing for the Things" sounds like it'd be right up her alley today, unless that's another one that reminds her of something unpleasant. "Juliet," too.

I LOVE Juliet. But it was nowhere close to a hit, so forget it.

Originally Posted by markolas

Is it the only song she doesn't discuss? I wonder if it's because the song is about Rupert Hine - wasn't there speculation that the two of them were boning while he was married? Maybe she's horrified that she did that and wrote a song about it. I can sort of understand her not wanting to sing it, in that case - even if the majority of her fans would have no idea of the history behind it.

Frankly, that's why I don't particularly care to know who or what Stevie writes her songs about. I don't want to think about Stevie bonging Rupert Hine when I listen to ROF; I don't want to think about Mick Fleetwood or Stevie's aborted baby when I listen to "Sara" - I like for the song to be meaningful to *me*, not just the musical equivalent of an article in Star magazine.

Good guess.

Originally Posted by UndoingTheLaces

I remember when she did the whole "Uplugged" section of her Enchanted show. I'd love to see something like that. Cyndi Lauper has totally reinvented some of her classics. She Bop now sounds like a sultry torch song you'd hear in a french coffee shop and Girls Just Want To Have Fun has gone through many changes. I could totally see Stevie reinventing some of her songs into something new. Look how much fun the Deep Dish version of Dreams was. Can you imagine a stripped down Rooms On Fire with just a big grand piano. Or a remake of I Sing For The Things with a string quartet.

She did that - the piano version of Rhiannon on Storytellers. So she's done now.

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

A good example of that is her misaventure with the Melbourne Symphony. That show, I think, was recorded and was intended to be a DVD/CD.
I surmise that one of the reasons it was shelved was because it wasn't approached properely, and the results were inefficient. A huge mistep and missed opportunity.

Listening to the bootleg recording (and reading the reviews), it was clear that not a lot of thought was put into adapting her songs to work with the orchestra. Instead, her band just played the songs as usual , drowning out the orchestra. No creative arrangments were developed, and her set list was not changed. She could have picked more appropiate songs to suit the setting.

Elton John was very successful with it. He made the effort.

I agree. So disappointing.

[markolas]

The only 2 songs from Street Angel I can say that I really like are the title track (and I prefer the version on Enchanted) and maybe Love Is Like a River. I really couldn't care less if she never mentions this album's name again, honestly. RAL and TOSOTM are another story, however.

[LilyRose]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Not only does Stevie no longer perform "Rooms On Fire" on stage, but she doesn't even discuss it in the liner notes for 'Crystal Visions!' She's really trying to forget that song.

Or maybe she's trying to forget the man that helped her with those songs, Rupert. "The ghosts are gone..."

[GoldDustGypsy]

Honestly I think Stevie could go on-stage and rap and I would still be like "bravo, encore, I love you!"

Even though SA isn't one of my favorite albums, I still love it and would love to see it represented sometime, somewhere on her set list. I love Docklands and Blue Denim and Greta...... and don't even get me started on how much I would LOVE to see Stevie belt out Rooms on Fire!!!

[johnnystorms]

i think, could be great live, along with Fire Burning!

[APerfectLie]

Originally Posted by johnnystorms

i think, could be great live, along with Fire Burning!

Ooh My Love would be great with her voice now! It isn't too much of a stretch vocally! I think she could really pull it off without much effort.

[Spoinny]

Listening to the bootleg recording (and reading the reviews), it was clear that not a lot of thought was put into adapting her songs to work with the orchestra. Instead, her band just played the songs as usual , drowning out the orchestra. No creative arrangments were developed, and her set list was not changed. She could have picked more appropiate songs to suit the setting.

Elton John was very successful with it. He made the effort.[/QUOTE]



I thought Beauty and the Beast sounded amazing with the orchestra, as did Edge of 17. I think they definately added an element to those 2 songs.

[StevieNicksfann]

My brother would KILL to hear Listen To The Rain and Long Way To Go and feels those songs are much more representative of what he feels Stevie is - rockers. I agree with him and that is why I think Whole Lotta Trouble is an excellent concert song. For those reasons, I wish she'd consider doing I Can't Wait but I suspect she feels she can't pull it off and that whole we don't do it because it was a train wreck the first time we did it is just an excuse.

I would personally love TISL, Greta, Ooh My Love, New Orleans, and Maybe Love Will Change Your Mind added as well.

[Hawkeye]

I dont see why any of us are stressung over her playing songs from RAL, OSOTM and Street Angel especially on her current tour. Her priorities are playing songs from In Your Dreams which is 6 songs AFTER all the inevitable dropping of a few new songs. So she played 8 IYD songs. What do we want her to not play in order to play Rooms On fire or Whole Lotta Trouble or No Spoken Word. Shes doing Love Is instead of HAEWAFY. Stand Back and Edge can't be dropped. The only real variable in her set is Leather and Lace. Which is ironically a suprise song for this set despite being one of her biggest hits. I don't want it in the set and feel Rooms on fire would be the perfect pre-Edge song.

But other then that, i dont get the "Why aren't her 3 mediocre middle albums represented in her IYD tour set list." Who cares.

[KarmaContestant]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I dont see why any of us are stressung over her playing songs from RAL, OSOTM and Street Angel especially on her current tour. Her priorities are playing songs from In Your Dreams which is 6 songs AFTER all the inevitable dropping of a few new songs. So she played 8 IYD songs. What do we want her to not play in order to play Rooms On fire or Whole Lotta Trouble or No Spoken Word. Shes doing Love Is instead of HAEWAFY. Stand Back and Edge can't be dropped. The only real variable in her set is Leather and Lace. Which is ironically a suprise song for this set despite being one of her biggest hits. I don't want it in the set and feel Rooms on fire would be the perfect pre-Edge song.

But other then that, i dont get the "Why aren't her 3 mediocre middle albums represented in her IYD tour set list." Who cares.

I'd like her to drop all the Fleetwood Mac material to make room for Rooms on Fire, Love Is Like A River, Street Angel, I Sing For The Things, etc.. I agree with your other comment, Stand Back and Edge cannot be dropped, but the FM material can and should be. Save it for a Mac tour so maybe we're excited to hear it again when they tour.

And who cares? The people posting in this thread, obviously!